The conversation on Earnest Graham’s Tuesday radio show turned to the subject of human growth hormone use in the NFL.

The unapproved substance is known for its performance-enhancing qualities and can be used to hasten recovery for an injured player. 

Graham didn’t hold back his thoughts when peppered with questions about the topic by host J.P. Peterson, host of “Happy Hour With J.P. Peterson” of 1010 WQYK-AM. A great community servant with an impeccable reputation, Graham has the attitude that HGH is just part of life in the NFL for hundreds of players.

JoeBucsFan.com has transcribed the audio.

“They don’t have a [drug] test for [HGH]. It wouldn’t shock me if a ton … I’d say a lot of NFL players are doing it,” Graham said. “I would say, I’ve heard a lot of people, even in Hollywood the average person is [using] HGH. It’s supposed to be this great thing. Especially in a sport like football. You know, I would assume that a lot of guys have access to it and are using it. I would assume so. I wouldn’t doubt it, man, with what’s at stake. Especially in this game, not having guaranteed contracts you know with so much riding on your performance, a game that tears your body down like that, I would assume that a lot of people are making that decision to use HGH. Especially if there’s not a test for it. Because at some point you feel like you’re not cheating, you’re not doing anything wrong. I would say definitely. I would not be shocked.”

“I mean, you know, sometimes. It gets done by, you know, just knowing a guy. Seeing how it benefits another guy. That’s how it ends up, you know. Most guys don’t have access to it, don’t know how to go about it, probably won’t take the time to check on it. So usually another guy refers it, you know, to someone and that’s how all that starts.

Graham went on to say that he doesn’t “understand the whole steriod thing” and just that certain guys are just prone to experiment with HGH or other drugs and supplements.

“Any sport, guys come across injuries and need to get back fast and come back stronger than they were before. I wouldn’t be shocked. I don’t know that I’d really make a big deal about it if I heard it. It’s kind of understood for me at this point,” Graham said.

“Not a test for [HGH]. I don’t think a guy would think it’s cheating. No. I mean they know it [is cheating]. But I don’t think it registers. …I would say 30 percent [are using HGH]. I have no idea how to come across it. Not that I’m looking for it. I don’t know anybody. It’s not something that a guy would just, unless you really trust a guy, to open up and talk about. You know what I mean. …I’ve heard a guy talk about HGH but not [that he’s doing it].”

Graham went on to say he doesn’t believe  any NFL player would admit to using HGH.

“A lot of guys are kind of proud guys and don’t want to feel like they were cheating. Me, myself. I would feel like I’m cheating,” Graham said.

Joking about his all-but-eliminated role in the Bucs running game Graham joked, “Maybe I’d cover punts better if I was on HGH.”

Former Bucs defensive lineman Steve White (1996-2001) is a hardcore Bucs fan and a true Xs and Os guy.

JoeBucsFan.com is proud to have him as a regular analyst. His weekly Bull Rush column is a must read.

In this video, from White’s own blog, White takes a hard look at the Bucs’ horrid running game. Top on White’s priority to fix it is to shore up what he calls consistently poor blocking from all three Bucs tight ends.

White offers solutions, including using backup defensive tackle Demar Dotson as a tight end, with a one-back set and keeping Kellen Winslow on the field as a slot receiver.

There’s lots of other interesting stuff, too, including White praising the offensive line for its consistency. “Stop wasting five other guys’ blocks because one [tight end] can’t block a defensive end over his nose.”

Prior to the season, Raheem the Dream kept saying how the offense was going to be a violent, punishing run-oriented offense.

That belief turned out to be as much wishful thinking as Joe believing Rachel Watson would call him for a late-night tryst.

Part of the hope that the Bucs would be a strong run team is that the Bucs offensive line seemed to be on the cusp of greatness. Instead, the offensive line has been suspect.

Some have suggested that began with Arron Sears playing hide-and-seek. eye-RAH! Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune is of the belief Sears’ disappearance had nothing to do with the failure of the offensive line to dominate.

Q: I was wondering how long it was going to take before the coaches realized the young QB, isn’t going to be able to carry this team by himself. Well, (against the Jets) we saw it. My question: what do you believe is the problem is with the running game? Is it the offensive line? Is it the running backs? Some of both?

Dave Kilmer, San Jose, Calif.

A: When this miserable season concludes, the Bucs will look back and realize they failed to establish the offensive identity Morris talked about since the day he replaced Jon Gruden. They weren’t physical, they weren’t tough, and they rarely won the battles up front. Players like Davin Joseph and Jeremy Trueblood struggled and new offensive line coach Pete Mangurian couldn’t develop his guys into a cohesive unit. You can’t pin all these problems on the absence of Arron Sears. And offensive coordinator Greg Olson isn’t blameless, either. He didn’t demonstrate much of a commitment to the ground game and he never allowed Earnest Graham to get a rhythm going.

— Ira Kaufman

More than a few times Joe has pondered the thought that, much like defrocked defensive coordinator Jim Bates’ two-gap system, this zone blocking technique the Bucs installed wasn’t such a good fit for the offensive linemen on the roster.

Joe has always enjoyed “The Professor,” John Clayton’s takes on the NFL. The BSPN analyst is often level-headed if not well-researched.

So Clayton’s diatribe in the video below on the Bucs, specifically how the Bucs are ruining rookie quarterback Josh Freeman, made Joe pay attention.

In summary, Clayton takes off on Raheem the Dream, the two Bucs offensive coordinators, the overall lack of support the Bucs have provided Freeman whether it be injured (?) receivers and an unproductive running attack.

Clayton also noted the Bucs will likely “go in another direction,” if the Bucs finished 1-15 meaning bye-bye Raheem the Dream.

Josh Freeman's recent freefall may doom Raheem the Dream.

Like Joe, Martin Fennelly thought Raheem the Dream’s job was safe not long ago, especially after the Bucs beat the Packers with Josh Freeman making his first start, especially after the defense seemed to come to life after defensive coordinator Jim Bates was defrocked.

Now, Joe wonders.

So too does Fennelly, the fine columnist of the Tampa Tribune. Fennelly believes — and one can do nothing more than guess what the Glazers think — Bryan and Joel are actually thinking of turning Raheem the Dream loose.

How can the Glazers not look at this disorganized mess (one they helped create) and all those empty seats and not at least think about pricing chopping blocks?

I still say Freeman remains Morris’ get-out-of-jail card, but:

Friday practice?

That’s not to say Friday doesn’t matter. History shows it does. There was Napoleon’s awful Friday practice before Waterloo. We hear Custer tore the 7th Cavalry up one side and down the other at the walk-through for Little Big Horn. And, of course, there was Friday practice at Ford’s Theater.

A few weeks ago, I figured Morris was safe, even with more fired coordinators than wins, so long as the Bucs had a good December, showed signs of progress, Freeman improved and neither Bill Cowher nor Mike Shanahan purchased condos on Redington Beach.

But December has been rough, and Freeman has looked rougher.

Joe really hopes somehow the Bucs pleasantly surprise him at Seattle Sunday. But Joe isn’t holding his breath.

Have the Bucs decided to dog it?

Earlier this morning, Joe brought you the first MSMer, Mike Florio, the creator, curator and overall guru of ProFootballTalk.com, to call for Raheem the Dream’s job as the Bucs head coach.

Tom Balog of the Sarasota Herald-Tribune came “this close” to duplicating Florio, thus becoming the first local MSMer to call for Raheem the Dream to be removed.

Balog writes that his eyes tell him the Bucs have quit on Raheem the Dream. And if the Bucs get lit up by Seattle and New Orleans in their next two games, Raheem the Dream will be toast.

That practice, where so many players evidently did not care how sharp they looked as a team, and the beating they took collectively on Sunday, can be interpreted as clearcut signs that a good number of Buccaneers players have given up on the season.

 Despite all the lip service from the locker room to the contrary, I would look for more of the same this Sunday, for the Buccaneers to take another beatdown in Seattle against the Seahawks, and surely the following week against the Saints in New Orleans.

And if that’s the case, and the Buccaneer just go through the motions in these last three games, then Morris can be sure he will be held accountable in a very harsh way by the Glazers, not only for a 1-15 record, but how that ledger was completed.

In Joe’s eyes, the Bucs have two weeks to save Raheem the Dream’s job. A win over Atlanta may not be enough. The dye may already be cast by then.

If the Bucs drop a steaming load of dung in the next two weeks like the offense did Sunday, all bets are off for Raheem the Dream.

Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk.com has called for Raheem the Dream to walk off into the Florida sunset once the season is finished.

The wolves are beginning to gather at Raheem the Dream’s door.

Fans have already lit their torches.

Will Raheem the Dream survive? (Does he even want to survive?) The great Mike Florio, creator, curator and overall guru of ProFootballTalk.com doesn’t believe so.

Though Florio is a child of new media, as much as he would like to protest it, he’s now a MSMer. Think not? Than why did he make weekly in-studio appearances on NBC during the college football season?

Florio is also an employee of NBC. It doesn’t get much more MSM than the peacock.

So count Florio as the first member of the MSM — to Joe’s knowledge — to call for Raheem the Dream to be fired.

Despite a couple of decades of humiliation, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers currently are on track to have their worst season since entering the league winless in 1976. And since the NFL played only 14 games in 1976, the Bucs could be setting a single-season franchise record for futility, if they lose to the Seahawks, Saints, and Falcons.

So why isn’t first-year coach Raheem Morris on the hot seat?

Though some members of the local media are rousing rabble, Morris has escaped (for now) the unblinking red eye of the national press, due largely to the perception that the Glazers are less concerned about winning football games than they are about saving money.

At some point, though, Morris must be accountable. He hired offensive and defensive coordinators that he already has thrown overboard — a sure sign of dysfunction, poor judgment, and/or disloyalty. Besides, the team stinks. With each passing week, Packers coach Mike McCarthy should actually be on the hot seat for actually losing to this team.

But if the Glazers are inclined to keep Morris around simply because they don’t want to finance another buyout, they should simply reassign him to defensive coordinator, and hire someone who’s truly ready to be a head coach.

Morris wasn’t, and the folks in Tampa need to demand that the absentee landlords running the franchise do something to rectify the situation.

Unlike a lot of fans, Joe has bit his tongue at times regarding Raheem The Dream (sans calling out defrocked defensive coordinator Jim Bates) all through the brutal Bucs season.

Joe kept looking for feint glimpse of hope. Perhaps that’s evident in an improved defense (despite losing to three straight second-string quarterbacks in three weeks). Yet Joe, a journalist, has tried to be reasoned in his view of the Bucs loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss after loss.

But the offense was so horrid last week, so pathetic, so impotent, so rudderless though the Bucs have a number of very talented players, Joe has begun to rethink his stance.

Let’s just say at the very least, Joe thinks there needs to be a new offensive coordinator, for no other reason than to save Josh Freeman from becoming the bust Joe initially thought he may become.

"Good thing I can get Monster.com on my Blackberry. You never know."

Who would imagine that people walking the sidewalks would have a better chance at running an NFL squad next year than Raheem the Dream?

Pat Kirwan is such a person.

In a recent chat on NFL.com, Kirwan was given a list of names, including Raheem the Dream and former NFL coaches now unemployed, about who had a better shot of working an NFL sideline next season.

Surprisingly, Kirwan didn’t pick Raheem the Dream.

Adam, Ocala, Fl
Hey Pat, who is more likely to be a head coach next year…Mike Shanahan, Perry Fewell, Bill Cowher, or Raheem Morris?

Pat Kirwan, NFL.com
Adam, I’d say Mike Shanahan.

Wow, that’s surprising to Joe that the unemployed have a better shot in Kirwan’s eyes of working next season than a coach currently working the sidelines.

Blasting the effort of many Bucs, former Bucs offensive lineman Jerry Wunsch (1997-2001) came out swinging when giving his take on the 2009 team yesterday during an interview on 1010 AM.

Wuncsh said it’s painfully obvious the team’s effort is lacking on the offensive side of the ball.

“Either the guys don’t respect the coach, or the coaches aren’t coaching,” Wunsch said. “I see guys who are just tyring to get by … you have to go out and earn it. I feel bad for the players who are actually trying. …Guys are not finishing plays. When a team is putting out the effort, you see guys fighting up and to and through the whistle. It’s not across the board [with the current Bucs]. And if it’s not across the board you don’t get the result.”

Wunsch declined to call out players individually.

Bucs fans can grab a little hope from Wunsch’s later comments, when he talked about the team turnaround he experienced with the 2002 Seahawks after leaving the Buccaneers.

Wunch said that Seattle team was 4-9 before closing the season with two overtime road wins in Atlanta and San Diego and a home victory against St. Louis. Those final three victories changed the entire franchise, Wunsch said. Seattle went on to a winning season in 2003 en route to their Super Bowl season in 2005.

“It can happen like that,” Wunsch said. Those three games “were the culture of our football team.” 

Leave it to outspoken CBSSports.com columnist Pete Prisco to come up with a new word to describe the brutal Bucs effort Sunday against the Jets.

“Vulgar.”

That’s the word Prisco used for the Bucs when he handed out his grades for Week 14, a week in which Prisco flunked the Bucs with an F.

That was vulgar. They had six first downs? Rookie quarterback Josh Freeman has regressed. The defense isn’t very good either. They didn’t even compete.

There are actually other words Joe can come up with, but Joe tries to keep his blog a family-friendly site.

The Football Moron of BSPN seems to think the Bucs may be able to slow down the Seahawks’ run game.

The fact The Football Moron believes this scares Joe.

One of Joe’s promises since the inception of this site is to deliver Bucs fans news and commentary from around the interwebs, good or bad.

This item of note is not only bad, but bordering on irresponsible.

Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports has his winners and losers for the past weekend’s NFL games and he picks Freeman among his losers.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman
The running game didn’t help him, but Freeman had a continuation of last week’s awful five-interception effort. His three interceptions against the Jets scuttled any chance of a Bucs win. Freeman now has 11 interceptions in his last four games. With road games at Seattle and New Orleans ahead, and a home tilt against Atlanta, there may not be another win on the schedule.

There’s no way in hell Joe can lay the blame of the brutal Bucs loss to the Jets at the feet of Freeman. His offensive coordinator, sure. But not Freeman.

Look, what did anyone expect a rookie quarterback to do against Capt. Lou Albano’s pass defense? If anything, Freeman was set up to lose.

Former Bucs DE Steve White

By STEVE WHITE
JoeBucsFan.com analyst

Steve White spent every season of the Tony Dungy era playing defensive end for the Bucs. He’s spent countless hours in the film room with the likes of Warren Sapp, Rod Marinelli and more. Joe is humbled to now have White, also a published author and blogger, as part of the JoeBucsFan.com team. Below is White’s weekly Bull Rush column that breaks down all things defensive line. It’s simply a can’t-miss read for the hardcore Bucs fan.

I, for one, am proud of the way the defense performed against the New York Jets. Could we have done some things better? Yes. But in a game where our defense was on the field way too much and put in some pretty bad positions, our guys stood up and fought their asses off.

The stat sheet boasts some pretty impressive numbers on defense. We gave up 310 yards in total offense which is decent. We held the Jets quarterback to a 52% completion percentage and just 111 yards passing with no touchdowns. We did give up 175 yards rushing, but if you take away two plays, the Jets ran 40 times for 117 yards for less than a three-yard per carry average. And one of those long runs ended in a fumble and would have been called back for holding.

We got off the field on third downs also, limiting the Jets to 27 percent conversion on third down. That, to me, is winning football.

Up front we played pretty well. Greg (Stylez) White had another sack, and all of our guys including the backups were good on the run. In particular, it was good to see some young guys like Roy Miller and Kyle Moore go out there and make some plays.

Maybe my only criticism of the defensive line is that we didn’t get enough pressure on play-action pass. But even with that criticism we did get guys flying around to the ball, especially on several bootleg passes. If you only watched the defense play, you would swear there is no way we could lose that game. And especially not 26-3.

I wish I had a magical answer today to how to fix the team, but I don’t. Our defense played winning football. Our offense decidedly did not, and really it was as simple as that. I can tell you that as a fan, like everyone else, it’s hard for me to watch the Bucs nowadays.

A few areas for improvement:

In the run game the Jets invited our defensive linemen upfield and then reached their outside shoulder. Because of this, a few times our guys weren’t in their gaps as well as they could have been. This is something that everyone should have picked up on film. And when you see that, what you have to do is fight pressure laterally rather than continuing upfield.

Instead, at times we just got up the field and then slipped inside allowing the Jets running backs to find a hole. You never want to take the path of least resistance when you are a defensive lineman because generally that means you are helping out their blocking scheme.

On pass rush, we ran one true game all day and we ended up with a sack on that play. It was actually a double game with a TEX (tackle penetrate, end loop inside to A-gap) on the left side with Tim Crowder and Jimmy Wilkerson which was poorly executed, and an EX game (end penetrates B-gap, tackle loops around for contain) on the right with Chris Hovan and White, with Hovan flushing Clemens and White catching him behind for the sack.

Now maybe its just me, but I just can’t understand why we don’t run pass rush games more in definite passing situations. We have had plenty of success this year running them and getting pressure or a sack on the opposing quarterbacks. But instead I see us going with straight rushes on 3rd-and-long or continuing to try that bullshit alignment with three guys on one side of the center. How about we go with what works and throw that other crap out for a change?

As for the TEX game with Crowder and Wilkerson, there is a recurring them as to why they aren’t coming home with this stunt.

Someone needs to tell Crowder to get up the field more and quit being in such a rush to loop inside. He is so quick to loop that he never sets up his tackle, which makes it hard for Wilkerson to penetrate.

If Wilkerson can’t penetrate into the B-gap, then the game will never work. If Crowder can wait until he is at the level of the quarterback before he loops inside, they will have a lot more success running that game and getting good pressure on the passer. It will make it even better, if he could fake a hands move to really give the appearance of a speed rush.

I know that guys want to work their one-on-one moves, and I think that that’s a good thing. But if we don’t run pass rush games, too, then you don’t keep the offensive linemen honest and you make their job easier.

On a coaching level, for the love of God can we please cut out the three-man rush?

Our success rate rushing only three guys is low, and even when we convert we still end up giving up yards that change field position. Getting pressure on the quarterback creates opportunities for both sacks and turnovers. If we are going to be aggressive on defense, then dammit let’s be aggressive.

I wish that I had some kind of special insight into how we could have beatend the Jets on defense. But the truth is with the positions we were put in, the results were probably the best-case scenario.

It takes a team to win a game and Sunday was just more proof of that. There is really just not a whole lot more to say.

Never has Joe heard the word “afraid” when it comes to the NFL (unless it’s when the bad Dexter Jackson tried to return kicks). But that’s exactly the word Cadillac Williams threw out to describe the Bucs offense.

In this TBO video about the heinous loss to the Jets, WFLA-TV’s Dan Lucas reports Williams told him Olson and the Bucs offense was afraid to run the ball.

Can you imagine? The Bucs were — to hear Raheem the Dream talk from the moment he was hired until he fired offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski — going to be a violent, angry team which would punish defenses with the run.

Now, they are scared rabbits with the run!

If Josh Freeman continues to struggle, he may be spinning a football for a new coach next season.

Vacation Man of BSPN.com has been one of the few who was pretty confident Raheem the Dream would stick around for another year.

However, Vacation Man is beginning to rethink his stance. Vacation Man, now noticing Bucs rookie quarterback Josh Freeman is regressing, now believes unless offensive coordinator Greg Olson is able to turn Freeman around in the next three games, Raheem the Dream is out the door.

Speaking of quarterbacks, I’m once again concerned about Raheem Morris’ future in Tampa Bay because Josh Freeman had another horrible day. A few weeks ago, I thought Morris would get a second year because Freeman was playing well and that offered some hope for the future. But Freeman struggled against the Jets after throwing five interceptions against the Panthers.

The central point of Morris’ rebuilding project isn’t looking so bright these days. And the Bucs haven’t shown much else that would lead a reasonable person to believe they’re close to turning the corner again.

With Freeman regressing, with the Bucs offense showing a gutless effort on Sunday against the Jets, with Raheem the Dream whining about how he is not enjoying his job, and with growing, mounting discontent amid ticket buyers, the tea leaves are starting to read that Raheem the Dream better get things in gear and quick, otherwise, he’ll be a one-and-done coach.

“It was one of the few times this year that I enjoyed being a head coach.” — Raheem Morris.

Raheem The Dream uttered this phrase tonight on his Monday night Total Access show on 620 WDAE-AM. The head coach was asked about the Bucs’ successful onsides kick against the Jets on Sunday and opened with that response. 

It’s a very curious quote, especially when you consider Tanard Jackson’s comment last week to the St. Pete Times.

“He said he was getting a little bored as a head coach, and it’s good to see him back in the room, teaching like a position coach,” Jackson said of Morris. “I’m sure he’s having fun with it. If you know Raheem, you know he’s having fun doing it.”

So Raheem The Dream’s players are saying he wasn’t fulfilled as just a head coach. Now Raheem The Dream himself admits he’s rarely happy.

It doesn’t matter what field you’re in. When you don’t love your job, you’re not going to be successful.

Joe Henderson of the Tampa Tribune all but accused Raheem the Dream of quitting on his team towards the end of the first half.

The Bucs quit in the second half, so claim the Jets, because their will was broken. That is what Mark Cannizzaro of the New York Post learned from Jets defensive end Marques Douglas.

“I thought their will got broken,” defensive end Marques Douglas said. “After a while it was like they were totally not into it. This was fun. This was a rare game. You don’t have too many occasions like this where you dominate in every phase of the game.”

Joe can understand. The Bucs defense played their hearts out and kept the game close. But after getting your brains beat in time after time after time and seeing the Bucs offense drop a steaming pile of dung on the field of the CITS virtually each and every series, no wonder the Bucs defense just got fed up.

Joe was fed up just watching from his watering hole.

Raheem the Dream seems to love working with his defense.

Now it seems he’s starting to get involved with the offense after Sunday’s debacle against the Jets. But is it too late?

In speaking to Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune, Raheem the Dream said that Olson force fed rookie quarterback Josh Freeman too much of Chucky’s playbook and as a result, Freeman is beginning to implode.

In short, Raheem the Dream is telling Olson to scale back the playbook.

“We’ve got to calm him down a little bit,” Morris said. “We’ve got to establish our offensive identity as far as the run, get him some easy completions, get him back to his hard core play-action passes.

“You know we talked about it, talked about it as a staff. We asked ourselves, ‘When do you give him too much? When do you stop giving him too much?’ And we kind of found out. So, now we have to reel him in a little bit.

“You don’t want to overdo it and put him in remedial classes, but at the same time you want to take a little pressure off the young man and put it back on the coaches and the guys around him so he can get going faster, like when he started.”

Glad that Raheem the Dream has been able to figure this out. It was clear to Joe, if not the vast majority of Bucs fans, last week when Freeman threw five interceptions.

How come Olson couldn’t figure this out?

Nobody can argue that Raheem The Dream overestimated his team’s ability to play the two-gap, Jim Bates scheme that he signed off on in the preseason.

The head coach also overestimated Jim Bates’ ability to make it happen successfully, or at least with some success.

That all became obvious when he defrocked the veteran Bates.

Also, nobody can argue that Raheem The Dream greatly overestimated fired offensive coordinator Jeff Jagodzinski, who didn’t make it to opening day. And Coach Rah also overestimated what a zone blocking scheme would do for his offensive line.

These would highlight the head coach’s multitude of overestimations for the 2010 season.

Today in his weekly Monday news conference, Raheem The Dream was asked at what point during the season did he overestimate how good could the Bucs’ could be.

The head coach replied, “I don’t think you ever overestimate.”

As Joe reported last week, helmet-wielding Aqib Talib was unlikely to make a deal this morning at his pretrial hearing in the case of State vs. Talib in Florida’s sixth judicial circuit.

Talib allegedly slugged a Pinellas County cab driver — unprovoked —  in the head while the cabbie drove him and Torrie Cox and Angelo Crowell back to the team hotel in August.

Talib had filed a notice with the court that waived his physical appearnce today, typically a sign that there was no interest in dealing today with the State.

But per St. Pete Times court reporter Curtis Krueger, Talib’s legal team told the judge a deal is likely in the works.

Judge Robert G. Dittmer asked if Trombley and prosecutors were discussing a pre-trial intervention — an arrangement in which a defendant pleads guilty, then spends a year on probation without getting into more trouble, and ultimately has charges dropped.

Trombley told the judge “we’re hopeful for something else,” but declined to say after the hearing what that might be. He did say he hopes the matter can be resolved before the next pre-trial hearing, which is set for Jan. 14.

Joe can’t imagine that Talib wants to plead guilty to the first degree misdemeanor charge of simple battery. Perhaps there’s a lesser charge that would satisfy all involved in the criminal case..

Cab driver David Duggan has yet to file a civil suit against Talib, though he told JoeBucsFan.com weeks ago he fully intends to do so.