“He Deserves A Starter Deal”
March 7th, 2024
No contract for Baker Mayfield yet, which probably means firm limits have been set by the Buccaneers.
That was the message of a seasoned contract guru.
Former Bucs scout, Jets assistant coach and Jets personnel chief Pat Kirwan, the voice of SiriusXM NFL Radio, was on his show this week talking about the Bucs’ starting quarterback. Per Kirwan, it’s a safe bet the Bucs would have handed Mayfield $30 million per year if Mayfield was willing — and it’s also a safe bet the Bucs aren’t willing to pay Mayfield as if he’s elite.
Smart moves by both sides.
“I think with him there is some limits,” Kirwan said of Mayfield and what the Bucs are offering.
Keep in mind Kirwan was at the NFL Scouting Combine last week mingling with movers and shakers across the NFL.
“Baker’s had his ups and downs. Yes, he deserves a starter’s contract. He’s going to get one,” Kirwan said. “How long is it going to be is an issue for me when I think about him and I don’t think I can put him in the elite status yet. I would built it into the back of end of [the contract], though. So if he keeps going, it keeps getting better. That’s how I would look at him. He deserves a starter deal; let’s call it $35 million [annually]. And if he does even better next year, it goes up to $40 million and then 43 or something like that.”
Kirwan went on to say he believes Mayfield is beyond any question marks in his past, “but I’m not going to the crazy numbers just yet.”
Mayfield might not want to hear it, Kirwan said, but the reality is that he’s not going to be paid silly money.
“I’m not trying to screw him. I’m just, that’s how I think the league sees him,” Kirwan said.
Joe is extremely confident Mayfield remains in Tampa. Joe is more interested in seeing how much Team Glazer pays him. That will say a lot about the market for Mayfield and how much the Bucs see him as their future, if at all.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:14 pm
Gotta go back to Winfield getting the franchise tag. NO WAY you tag a safety over a QB unless you are 100% certain that the QB will be signed. i do like Kirwan’s idea of back loading the contract.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:16 pm
We pick 26th in this year’s draft, so getting an elite QB through the draft looks doubtful. Free agents include Cousins, Tannehill, and Wilson, among others. Not much exciting there either. Let’s pay Baker in a two-year deal.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:16 pm
jordan whitehead is tweeting out clip after clip of his buc highlights….. keep an eye out for some news maybe. lets bring him home
March 7th, 2024 at 1:18 pm
after further investigation i think hes just mad he doesnt have a contract yet… either way bring him back
March 7th, 2024 at 1:19 pm
Give him a 4 yr deal back loaded where the Bucs can cut bait after year 2.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:21 pm
Kirwan seems to have reasonable takes for a national media type. Baker will get signed, but I hope it’s not at the expense of LVD and Chase.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:23 pm
I would love to have Whitehead back.
Of course, I’d love to be handsome, hung, rich, and young, too.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:24 pm
“That’s how I would look at him. He deserves a starter deal; let’s call it $35 million [annually]. ”
That is on the money and if this was offered then I have little doubt thngs would be moving forward faster
Seems its BAKER’s agent thats has drawn the line. Good for him. Reading some of the fan base and media its becoming apparent they thought he had some obligation to give a very team friendly deal for the second contract in a row.
That was delusional.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:24 pm
Same thing myself and other Bucs fans have been saying for a week or so now. Mayfield deserves a decent contract. Most of us Bucs fans were saying between $30 to $34 mil. Mayfield was inconsistent last season and had his ups and down and from what’s been floating around the NFL is, this was the best year of his career hummm. To me $40 mil is a big gamble. Again I am not a GM or NFL personnel
March 7th, 2024 at 1:24 pm
@ elite
I agree re Whitehead…
So far NFL teams have cut over $100M worth of safeties salaries.
Bad timing for Winfield to be a free agent – the market supply is way up.
The safety position is similar to the running back position. Get them young and cheap and do not overpay for them.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:34 pm
3 Years – $100M – $50M Guaranteed is where this winds up
March 7th, 2024 at 1:34 pm
Pass
March 7th, 2024 at 1:37 pm
NOT TO IRA and Others.
IF an objecive sourec can say 35 mill is the fair price for Baker
Can we stop with the total nonsense claim the agent coming in to start with 44 Million is “Folly” and all the other expressions of outrage?
IF thats the case then Baker’s agent started Nine million up and the buc started ten down. They both gave themselve the same room to start negotiations.
The insult meter if there is any reading – is the same.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:41 pm
4 years $60M, 15M guaranteed
March 7th, 2024 at 1:43 pm
if baker hits free agency, he is as good as gone
March 7th, 2024 at 1:43 pm
Tony marks Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 1:37 pm
IF an objecive sourec can say 35 mill is the fair price for Baker
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The only objective sources are those cutting the checks. But what he did say that’s worth noting for all the Baker Bois is that Baker is nowhere near an elite QB
March 7th, 2024 at 1:44 pm
They offered him $25-27M. He’ll sign for that plus incentives that will take it to $35M.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:49 pm
Pickgrin Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 1:34 pm
3 Years – $100M – $50M Guaranteed is where this winds up
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My exact prediction yesterday.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:52 pm
“ATLBuc Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 1:41 pm
4 years $60M, 15M guaranteed”
Only if you don’t want him back at all, and are prepared to win 3-4 games with the scrubs on the roster or the garbage available in FA.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:53 pm
Kirwan is one of the few guys with words on El Admirador Jose de Bucaneros that make sense. Can we do a three year deal with the third year optional to the Bucs? To make it interesting for Mayfield we could have a significant escalator for the second and third years. Start it at $30M, then $35, $41(optional). What do you say, Baker? Deal?
March 7th, 2024 at 1:53 pm
What happened to all the talk about Evans wanting to play for an elite quarterback? Didn’t he sign 3 days ago? So who was the elite quarterback he came back for?
March 7th, 2024 at 1:54 pm
elite bucs Says:
jordan whitehead is tweeting out clip after clip of his buc highlights….. keep an eye out for some news maybe. lets bring him home
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It would be great to have Whitehead back here! He made a key play, forcing a fumble against Green Bay in the playoffs when the Bucs were on the way to the Super Bowl. He’s got to strike fear into opposing running backs and WR’s.
March 7th, 2024 at 1:56 pm
It is a fair point that Baker had a surprise good season, and that the Bucs are concerned he’ll be another Daniel Jones or worse yet, Brock Osweiler. Just do another ‘prove it’ year, this time at mebbe $30 million
March 7th, 2024 at 1:56 pm
“Cobraboy Says:
I would love to have Whitehead back.
Of course, I’d love to be handsome, hung, rich, and young, too.”
Same here Cobra, on both points, ha!
Should be able to get a smokin’ deal on Whitehead.
Kit or original? Small or big block ?
^^mtnbucman^^
Since ’76
March 7th, 2024 at 2:00 pm
Bottom line is this guy is our best option. The Bucs know what they have and the rest of the options are unknowns. That makes him worth a lot. Teams just can’t go out back and pick a quality starter off a tree…
March 7th, 2024 at 2:01 pm
“Beeej Says:
It is a fair point that Baker had a surprise good season, and that the Bucs are concerned he’ll be another Daniel Jones or worse yet, Brock Osweiler. Just do another ‘prove it’ year, this time at mebbe $30 million”
BINGO!
Kirwin reflects how owners, GMs & most coaches think.
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 7th, 2024 at 2:03 pm
ATLBuc Says:
e only objective sources are those cutting the checks. But what he did say that’s worth noting for all the Baker Bois is that Baker is nowhere near an elite QB
LOL nowhere did he say “nowhere near” but even more hilarious
Only a fool in the same paragraph would say a source is not reliable and then cite the source as confirmation of another point. lol . Take a bow….again.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:14 pm
Is it good-bye Bucs and hello Falcons for Baker?
March 7th, 2024 at 2:15 pm
Hard lass on 35mil.
Tony Mark’s would suck Bakers sack to keep him.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:16 pm
“he deserves a starter’s contract”
He got one last season for $4 million with a promise to start. Give him $6 million. That’s a 50% raise that nicely matches his .500 record.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:17 pm
2 year 50 mil plus incentives Mikey took less why can’t he. I mean if he was a team player he would.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:18 pm
StormyInFl Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 1:52 pm
“ATLBuc Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 1:41 pm
4 years $60M, 15M guaranteed”
Only if you don’t want him back at all, and are prepared to win 3-4 games with the scrubs on the roster or the garbage available in FA.
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I happen to think what’s on the roster is better than him, Apparently, the Bucs do too because they are willing to let him walk rather than pay his price
March 7th, 2024 at 2:18 pm
Beeej Says:
Just do another ‘prove it’ year, this time at mebbe $30 million
Why in the world would any QB much less a QB for a playoff team agree to two prove it years in a row?
March 7th, 2024 at 2:19 pm
Baker has already did his prove it deal if he hits free agency some team is going to pay him all this he will have to learn a new system bull he will learn to deal with it with the right contract trust me. Grass ain’t always greener with a other player might find that out oof.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:20 pm
okiejim Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 2:14 pm
Is it good-bye Bucs and hello Falcons for Baker?
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Lets hope so
March 7th, 2024 at 2:21 pm
J Says:
Tony Mark’s would suck Bakers sack to keep him.
Life tip for the day: Not everyone is into what you are into.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:22 pm
I hope ao ATL
our defense could use the picks.
start trask or any one of 1/2 dozen qb’s
he is not even close to elite.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:22 pm
That was a pretty good analysis.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:24 pm
Tony Marks Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 2:18 pm
Beeej Says:
Just do another ‘prove it’ year, this time at mebbe $30 million
Why in the world would any QB much less a QB for a playoff team agree to two prove it years in a row?
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because all he proved is that hes an inconsistent qb. He made the playoffs ONLY because of an amazing play by AWJ. We beat a horrible team and lost to a Detroit team we should have beat directly as a result of BM’s bad playing
March 7th, 2024 at 2:24 pm
For the life of me I cannot see how Baker’s performance last year merits a 7 to 8 times increase in salary. He did well against poor teams, but not so well against good teams. Just look at his career stats, for Pete’s sake! That’s what you’re going to get.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:34 pm
iTLBuc Says:
beause all he proved….blajblah blah
Dream on AB. It aint happening and If baker walks for all your “let him” fake bravado it just means he won by being here ad bucs got sqaut. You forgot
He Stalled trask masterfully for a year such that the end of this one Trask will walk. He made the bucs 26 in the draft and out of the QB race and still got the bag somewhere else.
He was defintiely ELITE at torching your daydreams. 🙂
March 7th, 2024 at 2:35 pm
ATLBuc Says: “He made the playoffs ONLY because of an amazing play by AWJ.”
And 3 field goals by Chase McLaughlin to make it 9-0 in the must-win 17th game because Baker couldn’t score. Then 2 weeks later with a playoff game on the line and plenty of time on the clock he throws a pick to seal the loss. Yeah, real elite.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:38 pm
Anything can happen when you start talking with other teams. Go read the Tyreek Hill episode and how he ended up a Dolphin. Nothing will surprise me if he starts talking to other teams
March 7th, 2024 at 2:44 pm
I wonder if the other Kerwyn (from Svengoolie) has an opinion. Seems everyone does about Baker’s worth.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:44 pm
BakerFan Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 2:38 pm
Nothing will surprise me if he starts talking to other teams
If I were him and one of them is atlanta – I’m gone.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:48 pm
I always love back loaded, incentive laden contracts for Every player!
Pat Kirwin is a guy I have alot of respect for. But while I like his idea, I think hes gonna be a little low on what a 28 year old probowl Qb, with playoff wins, is gonna demand.
I sure Mayfield isnt” mad he doesnt have a contract”. Why would he be?
Hes a free agent. The Bucs could of tagged him, but they blew it. They gave up their leverage for a SAFETY. Tge cheapest players on the roster. A couple Probowl safties got cut this week.!
May prove to be a fatal mistake for The Bucs.
Baker Mayfield just has to sit.
Eams will come to him, and try to outbid each other for his services. When he gets the final, highest bid- his agent drops it on Jason Lichts desk.
“Match it, or adios”.
It is an absolute no lose for Mayfield.
Its an absolute no win for Licht. Mayfield is gonna get some goid bids. A smart team could bid higher- knowing that Jason Light HAS TO MATCH IT!
What choice does he have? Does he let a young QB, who just won playoff games here, walk??
The fan base will hate him, the team, ownership!!
And what would their options be?
Kirk Cousins is a brittle, old, statue, who will cost EVEN MORE.
Russell Wilson has lost it. And gone crazy. He’ll declare himself to be Napleon any day now. And hes got no skills. Teammates hate him.
Justin Fields sucks. Couldnt read a defense in College, cant read a defense in the NFL.
The infamous Kyle Trask. Bucs have watched him everyday for a few years now. Hes a bust. Noodle arm. Theyve made it abundantly clear that hes not their man, unless they are just tanking.
Soooo, Jason Licht has found himself between the devil and the deep blue Sea.
If nothing else, the next week will be entertaining.
Good luck Jason. Shoulda used that tag on Baker.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:52 pm
Tony Marks Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 2:44 pm
If I were him and one of them is atlanta – I’m gone.
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I think Raiders would be a great fit, then Atlanta, then Vikings and Broncos. Buc people on here are in a vacuum, think Bucs are better than what they are and clueless on what others around the league are doing.
March 7th, 2024 at 2:58 pm
Wow…one of the posters actually thinks the bucs should sign Mayfield for $15m per season…is this site for real
March 7th, 2024 at 2:58 pm
He will be another cam newton lol
March 7th, 2024 at 3:03 pm
The main problem is The Iggles and The Gnats (not a misspelling my name for them) were stupid with Wentz and Jones. So Baker wants $40M money. Understandable, those guys are scrubs. Give him a 3 year with $135 potential, $50 guaranteed and you have to hit targets to take it from $110 to $135. Baker will bet on himself. And seriously you hang $15M on playoff success, gonna get Baker’s best
March 7th, 2024 at 3:06 pm
HARD PASS
March 7th, 2024 at 3:06 pm
BakerFan Says:
I think Raiders would be a great fit
I got to check that out because never looked into them. I suppose his wife would be on board since its a short hop back to LA from there. One thing is for sure – I am sold on the idea of separating again my fandom of the bucs and Baker. NO lie a part of me will groan if he signs with the Bucs.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:07 pm
J says “Tony would suck Bakers sack to keep him”
Lmao Tony Marks would do it for nothing just his own per satisfaction, homeboy loves him some Mayfield
March 7th, 2024 at 3:09 pm
The best fit for old boy is to stay right where he is. A HC that wants and values him. An OC that was hired with him in mind. A HOF WR1 that wants to catch his passes. After getting crapped on by CLE and damn near run out of the league between that $hit show and Carolina…he ain’t going nowhere.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:11 pm
@Tony Marks
“A part of me will groan if he signs with the Bucs”
Like I said your not a Tampa fan just a huge Baker boy, you gonna groan be a when he plays like crap, and fans call for the backup you can’t handle it? The only credit I’ll give your sorry a** is your loyal to one player than most
March 7th, 2024 at 3:14 pm
Tony Marks Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 3:06 pm
BakerFan Says:
I think Raiders would be a great fit
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Raiders defense is awesome, took Chiefs down at KC. Just didn’t have the QB they needed. Think of all the extra income he could pickup in endorsements and as a typical Raider, Baker comes with the chip already on his shoulder
March 7th, 2024 at 3:19 pm
Baker was incredibly inconsistent last season. This has been the issue with him since he entered the league. One season he plays great and protects the ball, the next season he throws 20 interceptions. I would rather load up on FAs, draft a QB and bring Russ in on a 1 year, 1.21 mil deal. Russ had just as good a season with a mediocre offense in 2023. He’s more consistent with the deep ball and far more mobile than Baker. With Russ, you get to stack your team by filling in any holes and you’re not paying an inconsistent QB ridiculous money.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:23 pm
So does that mean you would be gone to Atlanta also Tony ?
March 7th, 2024 at 3:24 pm
Yeah I would love to see Baker as a Raider. You thought Buc fans were bad? Wait til he has a 6 game streak over there like he did here and you’ll see how quickly they’d want his mediocre self gone. LMAO. You fan boys just have no clue. I cant stop laughing at sillyness.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:26 pm
Conner50 Says:
Like I said your not a Tampa fan just a huge Baker boy,
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Meh who cares what you think kid? lol You are from the group that hates on the player , who the players want and who the coach and front office wants.
If you are a fan of the Bucs its only the logo.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:30 pm
Conner50 Says:
Like I said your not a Tampa fan just a huge Baker
So what???
March 7th, 2024 at 3:33 pm
Woodenman Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 3:23 pm
So does that mean you would be gone to Atlanta also Tony ?
Like I said I can easily going back to as before – fan of the bucs AND follow Baker.
Don’t worry I’ll still be here as a bucs fan. 🙂
Shucks I might th even root for Trask but after I get done laughing at all the haters here if it doesnt work out as they claim.
March 7th, 2024 at 3:40 pm
BakerFan Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 3:30 pm
So what???
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the amusing thing about all these accusations of fan status? Just watch. IF baker walks and Kyle is QB1 and I trash HIm as hard as they have trashed Baker the whole narrative will flip to
Being a real fan means getting behind our players
Ooops.
March 7th, 2024 at 4:10 pm
Gardner Minshew had the better year, just sign him for $6m if you want a middling QB to get you 9 wins in a weak division.
March 7th, 2024 at 4:31 pm
Tony Marks: I’m still with you buddy. The “fans” on this site are no-nothing jerks.
March 7th, 2024 at 4:33 pm
Again, it seems the compromise is 37/year for 4 years, 2 guaranteed. I do like the back loaded idea(and I’m a Baker fan) 35, 37, 40,42 incentivised is sensible. I’d put 10 of the 35 on year three, it’d get Baker his money, get other guys signed and signed next year and if it doesn’t go well and they part ways year 3, it’s” here’s your other ten mil. We appreciate what you’ve done.” It also pre pays Baker for success if he’s playing great in year 3 at an amount that, with cap increases will mean he’ll still be paid but cap friendly.
March 7th, 2024 at 4:34 pm
Not worth it go get Russell Wilson or used to ask or draft a quarterback have to have money to pay our defense Tristan
March 7th, 2024 at 4:35 pm
Supposed to say Trask and pay defense and Tristan it’s not worth paying Baker Mayfield
March 7th, 2024 at 4:44 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 4:10 pm
Gardner Minshew had the better year, just sign him for $6m if you want a middling QB to get you 9 wins in a weak division.
There you go Rod
Your best plan so far. Lets call it the – Less is More Plan
approaching 1,000 yards less with a 15 – 9 TD to int ratio
Less yards and less TD will certainly win us the division again. We just have to tell the opponents its an um better season
March 7th, 2024 at 4:45 pm
One of my post was posted here, then disappeared. No vulgarities or insults.
What happened. This wasnt a “moderation” deal.
Any ideas?
March 7th, 2024 at 5:03 pm
“WyomingJoe Says:
Tony Marks: I’m still with you buddy. The “fans” on this site are no-nothing jerks.”
And illiterate too!
Seriously tho, are you keeping your feet on the ground with all that Wyoming wind?
I’m up in the rockies
^^mtn^^
March 7th, 2024 at 5:23 pm
Kirwin says don’t give Baker silly money, “yet.”
March 7th, 2024 at 5:27 pm
There is no way I’d pay Mayfield with a top ten QB contract($40+ million/year), he’s not a top ten QB, period. Does he deserve “starter” money.. sure, $25-30 million/year, tops. If he wants more than that, let him walk.
March 7th, 2024 at 5:30 pm
Why would anyone want to believe anything creep Rod Muncher would say…saying Gardner minshew had a better year than Baker is straight up flat lie…nothing factual in that statement…just a creep you are turd muncher
March 7th, 2024 at 5:38 pm
I agree he’ll be paid well but not stupid well. Probably more about how man years Bucs are probably offering 2 to 3 baker probably wants 4 to 5. I will be shocked if he doesn’t stay here I think he will hit free agency and the bucs will be given a chance to match an offer. If its stupid money you just walk away,sign Wilson, sign cousins. I’d rather have Baker but it has to make sense one season doesn’t prove anything and he’s not getting younger with his playing style
March 7th, 2024 at 5:59 pm
This site is overrun with inept uninformed opinionated morons..let’s everyone sound off…who here believes like Rod Muncher that minshaw had a better year than Baker..everyone post yes or no ….absolutely ridiculous the misinformation that is smeared here by ‘fans’
March 7th, 2024 at 6:08 pm
Last year was a product of having weapons and playing in a garbage division. And he still wasn’t that great. Look at the game stats…just as many duds as breakouts. He sets the franchise back if they give him 40 mil a year.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:10 pm
Resign David and lock up Wirfs….Let Baker hit free agency, chase money and screw over a different franchise.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:15 pm
MAYFIELD STAYS IN TAMPA……………WILL SIGN FOR 37.5 × 4
INCENTIVES INCREASING EACH YEAR TO KEEP UP WITH RAISING CAP….
62.5 MILLION GUARRENTEED …..
March 7th, 2024 at 6:16 pm
elite bucs Says:
“jordan whitehead is tweeting out clip after clip of his buc highlights….. keep an eye out for some news maybe. lets bring him home.”
Absolutely agree, and good to hear he is highlighting Bucs.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:19 pm
Sooooo,
None of my post are being posted.
Ok. Must be “ that Joe”.
Ill post elsewhere
March 7th, 2024 at 6:24 pm
I think Baker is a good QB, not elite. I also think, whether you like it or not, $40MM is about the going rate today for a good QB. Many QBs have been paid as much or more that are not who as good as Baker. No state income tax only gets you a small discount. Professional athletes pay a prorated state tax in every state they play a game in (the Jock Tax). So it the road team plays in SF or LA, they get hosed with CA taxes.
Here is an interesting fact about Baker that many likely do not know. There are only current 10 QBs in the league with more playoff wins than Baker. Personally, I think three of them will not win another, or perhaps better articulated, Baker has as good a chance or better to win one than they do: Garoppolo, Flacco & Rodgers. Yes Rodgers, given his injury, age and dysfunctional team he plays for. I didn’t include Russell Wilson since I think it depends on where he lands.
And, of the other four with 2 wins as Baker has, Baker has the best winning % of the five.
My opinion on who the Bucs should target if Baker doesn’t sign, I think Wilson is the best bet. He is not the same QB as he was when he won a SB, but better than the other options.
Cousins will cost more than Baker and can’t win in the playoffs (1-4). Flacco gave up the ball a lot during his 5 games with the Clowns. His 8 INTs in 5 games = 27 in 17 games if you extrapolate out. Minshew did throw 1 fewer pick than Baker, but also 13 less TDs, had a lower Comp%, lower YPA and benefited from the 10th best rushing attack in the NFL compared to the Bucs 32nd, and has never made a post game start.
I hope they can get a deal done. I don’t really care where the money lands because if both sides sign the contract, both had to find it acceptable.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:27 pm
Sorry “and has never made a post GAME start.” s/b “post SEASON.”
March 7th, 2024 at 6:29 pm
IF BAKER DOESN’T SIGN BEFORE FREE AGENCY THAN IT’S TIME TO GIVE” KYLE TRASK ” HIS LONG AWAITED SHOT AS THE STARTER ( MANY SUCCESSFUL QUARTERBACK’S IN THE NFL OVER OVER THE YEARS HAVEN’T WORN THEIR EMOTIONS ON THEIR SLEEVES OR OUT THEIR MOUTHS,LETTING THEIR ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER ) TRASK WILL EVENTUALLY START FOR SOMEONE, I JUST HOPE IT’S NOT AGAINST THE BUC’S IN THE NEAR FUTURE ( HE’LL PROBABLY LIGHT US UP !..LOL )
March 7th, 2024 at 6:42 pm
Tired of hearing about Baker can we please just sign another quarterback he’s not worth the money he wants
March 7th, 2024 at 6:43 pm
As much as I like Baker he’s not worth 40m+ a year, 28-35 tops. Its like when JW was asking for 30m after throwing 30picks… You have talent man, just not enough to be elite and command top 10 QB pay.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:44 pm
I’d say start base at 28, then put in incentives to reach 35m a year.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:48 pm
Wilson could go to the Steelers. Cousins to the Falcons. Baker stays here. No to Minshew.
March 7th, 2024 at 6:51 pm
Tony Marks Says:
Less yards and less TD will certainly win us the division again. We just have to tell the opponents its an um better season
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Turns out you win games by scoring more points than your opponent, and the Minshew lead Colts finished 11th in scoring – which was much better than the 20th ranking of Baker and the Bucs.
Also Minshew had the better QBR, at over 5 points higher. While I know that means nothing to you, since you don’t know anything about football, but 5 points in QBR is a large gap.
As for yards and TDs, Minshew started 4 less games than Baker – and beat Baker head to head.
All of that for over $30-million less?
I’ll take the cheaper middling QB.
March 7th, 2024 at 7:06 pm
Baker did nothing special last season. How many games did he fall to have even 100 yards in the first half?
LET HIM WALK and save the money.
March 7th, 2024 at 7:09 pm
A possibility is that team baker is waiting for cousins to sign. His new deal could affect team baker demands. My preference is he returns. If not, Atlanta, then raider nation. Baker in silver and black feels right.
March 7th, 2024 at 7:09 pm
I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other just hope the Bucs don’t overpay. He is not an elite QB and to be honest both Wilson and Cousins are better.
March 7th, 2024 at 7:23 pm
No doubt in my mind he is going to sign a starter deal for 4+ years. I guess if the Buccaneers fell in love with one of the draft picks he won’t , but after resigning Mike Evans, I doubt that’s the case.
I just find it amusing how all the national Talking Heads are saying how much Baker deserves, when every single one of them were throwing him under the bus the last couple of years
March 7th, 2024 at 7:30 pm
I trust JL. I’m down for whatever, I just want wins!
March 7th, 2024 at 7:32 pm
Rod Munch Says:
“Turns out you win games by scoring more points than your opponent, and the Minshew lead Colts finished 11th in scoring – which was much better than the 20th ranking of Baker and the Bucs.”
Thats because scoring is not simlply a matter of the QB scoring nitiwit. the colt rank number 4 in rushing TDS. We rank 29
YOu think you are talking to the little kiddies now ? put on yout big boy pants. That tactic of dishonest use of stats does not’ work with me.
Only kids in rep school would possible buy 15 passing TDs trumps assing 28 from the QB perspective
Marks 23 Rod 0
March 7th, 2024 at 7:43 pm
I don’t think he should get crazy money just because other teams paid other QB’s (and not as good) a lot. But you got the guy for nuthin’ and you bitched about him all the way to 2nd game of the playoffs. He had the onions to bet on himself so give him a deal he deserves with guaranteed stuff he deserves with loaded incentives. He wants to play here, get it done or every loss next year I’ll been reading how stupid they were to not give him a few measly million more.
March 7th, 2024 at 8:01 pm
If we sign wilson I am going to puke
March 7th, 2024 at 8:01 pm
3 year $135 million…..cheap get
March 7th, 2024 at 8:31 pm
Rod Munch Says:
“Also Minshew had the better QBR, at over 5 points higher. While I know that means nothing to you, since you don’t know anything about football, but 5 points in QBR is a large gap.”
NO ist actually not and thats why you immediately tried to claim it was because you knew I would know better and want to fool the newbs.
If anyone wants to believe you then they will do a quick revese when they look at the int to TD ratio. which blasts off the page poorly for Mischew who throws nearly 2 ro 1 ints to TDs than Baker
Let me see now – who wants a five point difference in a questionalble ranking system in exchange for less TDs and high ints ratios? Only You.
“As for yards and TDs, Minshew started 4 less games than Baker ”
IMpressive so he throws even Higher RATES OF ints per games as well then eh?”
“and beat Baker head to head.”
YOu sure you want to go with that as a standard? Your other project is WIlson . He got blowN up by Baker 51-14 head to head IN 2022 – Baker’s worse year
“I’ll take the cheaper middling QB.”
The utter siliness of that is you don’t even know the price of Minshew which just unveils your bias to intelligent minds.
March 7th, 2024 at 8:44 pm
Baker is the future of this franchise if we just pay him. His unique mix of leadership, skills, swagger, and humility will bring on a whole new generation of Buccaneers fans! GO Bucs GO!
March 7th, 2024 at 8:44 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 6:51 pm
“Turns out you win games by scoring more points than your opponent, and the Minshew lead Colts finished 11th in scoring – which was much better than the 20th ranking of Baker and the Bucs.”
I am thinking my resposne to this before was considered shall we say not gentle enough for the filters or mods so I i wlll put it another way
Whenever you see the above stat tactic used ask yourself why the person is tryng to hide the rushing TDs whch the QB is not responsible for and pretrnding all scoring is as a result of the QB alone.
Colts top od the league in SCORING with Rushing TDS
Tampa nealrly at the bottom
for reasons as Buc fans we all know is NOT an issue of the QB.
See the farce of using the overall scoring stat?
March 7th, 2024 at 8:48 pm
Tony marks` – Minshew beat Baker head-to-head, when Baker choked and fumbled the ball to lose the game. So if, as according to you, Minshew sucks – well that doesn’t bode well for Baker, who scored less points, had the lower QBR, and the lower winning percentage. Minshew also had the higher yards per rush (2.9 vs 2.6 for Baker) and THREE times as many rushing TDs compared to Baker.
As for cost, I’ll give you that, you are correct, I don’t know what Minshew will cost — and you don’t know what Baker will cost. But I’ll take Minshew + >$10m vs Baker, and I’m pretty sure the gap will be more than $10m, but who knows, this comparison is sort of talking down Bakers price, so maybe not.
March 7th, 2024 at 8:51 pm
“portlypirate Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 8:01 pm
If we sign wilson I am going to puke”
Add Justin Fields to the vomit-list 😀
March 7th, 2024 at 9:14 pm
Levin Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 7:39 pm
@Bucben61
Passer Rating (RTG) is the official NFL quarterback statistic. Quarterback Rating (QBR) is an ESPN invention designed to help runaround quarterbacks who do not excel at passing, and score lower than their peers on the Passer Rating (RTG), by adding factors such as rushing stats, sack stats, and other stats that are not a gauge of passing ability
and in addition to that even with QBr he is trying to sell tht a 5 point difference makes Mishew better even with a HIGH TD to int rating and less than half overall passing TDs scored.
Its a total C-L own show
March 7th, 2024 at 9:24 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 8:48 pm
Tony marks` – Minshew beat Baker head-to-head, when Baker choked and fumbled the ball to lose the game. So if, as according to you, Minshew sucks – well that doesn’t bode well for Baker, who scored less points,
Thats EXACLTY why you keep breakign glass with your growing pinnochio nose. He Has nearly TWICE the scoring TDS to Mischew. However in order to try and fool people you use the overall scoring of the colts which has the tds of the RUNNING BACKs and pad Mischew The QUARTERBACK with those scores since Bucs have a lousy run game
I am not calling names when I call hgDIS honesty. Its Demonstrable
March 7th, 2024 at 9:35 pm
Free agency would be more fun if all the teams had to post job openings at different positions … like the Bucs would say QB1, up to $35M. All free agents had to publicly declare interest in any open position. No back room deals. Would be the greatest game show ever.
March 7th, 2024 at 9:37 pm
Tony – I said scoring, not TD passes. Also you failed to address that Minshew had THREE TIMES AS MANY TDS on the ground. Why do you keep not addressing the big issues!
March 7th, 2024 at 9:43 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 9:37 pm
Tony – I said scoring, not TD passes. Also you failed to address that Minshew had THREE TIMES AS MANY TDS on the ground. Why do you keep not addressing the big issues!
BECAUSE HE DOES NOT. The TEAM scores more because of its RUNNING GAME
scoring by the RUnning Back is NOT a QB stat. If that were the case then we would add all rushing yards to the Passers totals.
Sheesh … we need to chekc ID and birth dates in here.
March 7th, 2024 at 10:15 pm
Did Russ & the Broncos go 2 deep in the playoffs?
March 7th, 2024 at 10:19 pm
Did the Colts go 2 deep in the playoffs?
March 7th, 2024 at 10:20 pm
How did Minshew do in the playoffs?
Mayfield had almost 700 yds 6 TDS and 2 picks
How did Minshew do?
March 7th, 2024 at 10:21 pm
Oh, neither even went to the post season…
Baker and his team did and wasn’t suppose to…
March 7th, 2024 at 10:34 pm
Yes, 700 yards and 6 touchdowns in 2 playoff games that you weren’t even suppose to be playing in is some serious choking, huh?
It’s only a matter of getting all the pieces together and he and whatever team he is on will win a superbowl.
March 7th, 2024 at 10:42 pm
I’m sure these guys like to keep u in suspense remember baker is not the negotiator it might be his contract but he pays someone else to do his dirty work just like all the others in the NFL remember last season they didn’t even have a new contract with Evans & it worked out that’s all this site talked bout all last season.hiw many times have I heard the glazers r cheap skates
March 7th, 2024 at 10:45 pm
When u guys say back load it ,& we can dump him after 2 years who the hell wud want to sign a contract with terms like that hay buddy u better work us up a SB within 2 years or u r toast here WTF
March 7th, 2024 at 11:00 pm
Trask to the future says u r a moron baker did nothing special I try not to get nasty but people like u makes me want to punch u r face inside out I qud for starters say a perfect passer rating in GB 158.3 is something special a**hole
March 7th, 2024 at 11:03 pm
Well well Minshew didn’t get 9 wins so shove that theory where the sun don’t shine
March 7th, 2024 at 11:07 pm
Tony – My god, how dense are you? Minshew had 3 TDs on the ground, Mayfield only had 1 TD on the ground.
Here, I had the AI write you some new material – I told it to be a hack dullard fan who is completely clueless – and it literally sounds like you! No joke.
“Baker Mayfield is the greatest thing to ever happen to the Buccaneers, no question about it. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn’t know football.
I mean, did you watch the games last season? Baker was on fire every single week. He was making throws that no other quarterback could make, and he was running all over the field like a boss. It was like watching a highlight reel every time he touched the ball.
And his leadership? Don’t even get me started. The guy is a born winner. He’s got the whole team behind him, and they’d run through a brick wall for him if he asked them to. That’s the kind of quarterback you build a franchise around.
So when I hear people saying that the Bucs shouldn’t re-sign him, I just laugh. Like, are you serious? You don’t let a guy like Baker Mayfield walk away. You give him the keys to the city and you build a statue of him outside the stadium.
I’m telling you, with Baker under center, the Bucs are going to win multiple Super Bowls. It’s not even a question. He’s that good. So let’s stop wasting time and get the deal done. Pay the man whatever he wants and let’s get ready to dominate the league for the next decade.
Baker Mayfield is the GOAT, period. End of story. Go Bucs!”
March 7th, 2024 at 11:27 pm
Baker almost took TB to the conference game. You know, that game they play right before the superbowl. It so easily could have been TB winning against the Lions. You know, in the NFL the ONLY thing that matters is going to the playoffs and making it to the superbowl and winning the superbowl. That’s all that matters. You few throw out your meaningless stats that allow you to take things out of context for a moment but it’s all worthless in the end. Playoff games and superbowls are what counts and trust me many a qb won a superbowl that didn’t have ANY rushing tds so why talk about it? You either don’t have a grasp on what the NFL is really about or you just don’t like the player you are attempting to make look bad with a meaningless statistic. Either way you look ridiculous to anyone that truly knows the game. And Baker has what it takes to get his team there. He has done it on 2 different teams that BOTH were not supposed to be there, but he got them there anyway. If he ever played for a good team that was “expected” to win they would go all the time. If he stays with TB they will get the pieces right, they have done it before, they will do it again and he will take them to a superbowl. 👍🏼
March 7th, 2024 at 11:28 pm
I’m all on board with Pat Kirwan for Baker getting $75-80M guaranteed with $160M total. That’s $40M a year and gives the Bucs and out after 2 years with minimal future damage. If Baker balls out, he’ll be 32 years old and will get a bigger payday at contract’s end. Maybe the Bucs will even extend him for more years, more dollars and more cap relief after 2 years to keep any success train moving.
Baker has a great chance of doing well in Tampa. But after analyzing the Vikings and Falcons staff and roster, I think Baker would do better the next 4 years with those dome teams and younger weapons. Sorry our Bucs team is still hurting a little from the 2020-2021 investments. Which were totally worth it since we got a SB and darn near came close to beating the Rams for another NFC Champ game. For an extra $30M guaranteed and better future weapons in the same offense with new OCs in all cases, the Vikings and Falcons project better long-term. Come on Licht, close this baby before Monday :).
I wouldn’t blame Baker for wanting $105-120M guaranteed for 3 years with team options for year 4 or year 5. If that is the case, the Bucs may let him hit free agency. Baker then goes to wherever Kirk Cousins does not. It will be musical chairs between valuable FA QBs who are trained in the McVay Widezone offense between Atlanta, Minnesota and Tampa: Cousins picks 1st, Baker picks 2nd, 3rd place gives up a 3rd rounder for Justin Fields or risk it with Jacoby or Gardner Minshew.
And that’s how markets work.
March 7th, 2024 at 11:44 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 7th, 2024 at 11:07 pm
Tony – My god, how dense are you? Minshew had 3 TDs on the ground, Mayfield only had 1 TD on the ground.
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My goodness what a nitwit
So you are rating a QB with 28 tds to mischews 15 lower because of 2 rushing TDs. YOU think everyone can’t see through your duck and dodge?
15 is greatr than 28 because of 2 rushing TDs?
NO you switched to that from your overal scoring claim ( which is what
I was addressing) because you got caught ….lol
TRy something else Muchnska 🙂
Marks 27 Rod 0
March 8th, 2024 at 12:11 am
@Tony marks
LOL – some want to put their thoughts out there, some want to debate to teach or learn, some just like to trigger other people with stupid 🙂
March 8th, 2024 at 12:15 am
Tony marks – actually I was just doing what you do and switching the topic. Man, you are dense, have no idea when you’re being mocked.
Anywho, speaking of which, why didn’t you give some feedback on your AI clone? Should I make it sound more idiotic to match your style, or perhaps more clueless, perhaps more positive? Personally I think it’s doing a perfect job as is, but it’s your clone, so I want you to give it the big thumbs up.
March 8th, 2024 at 1:18 am
GhostofBrady Says:
Baker then goes to wherever Kirk Cousins does not. It will be musical chairs between valuable FA QBs who are trained in the McVay Widezone offense between Atlanta, Minnesota and Tampa: Cousins picks 1st,
I think thats pretty much on the money maybe except for one wrinkly. Cousins on a longer term offers is less credible due to age ( is he even looking for more than two?). Mc Vay tree coaches love them some Baker. Baker could give up a little for a long term that wouldn’t look good with a 39 and 40 year old Cousins.
I think there’s a good possiblity you are right on another front – Baker might very well have realized Atlanta is a faar better and stable situation.
March 8th, 2024 at 1:49 am
Hey Tony, why are you ignoring your AI clone!??! I put in a lot of time and effort creating that for you – and you show zero appreciation.
March 8th, 2024 at 3:42 am
I think Baker finally grew up and told his agent to act more like Kirk Cousin’s agent. The Bucs aren’t going to let Baker walk just to pay an aged Cousins more. Team Baker is going to be smart and let Kirk go first. Then move the discussion away from Daniel Jones and make it about Cousins minus $5M per year but for 3 years instead of 2 because Baker is younger and not coming off injury. I guess that’s what I would do in my middle aged opportunistic view.
That is unless Licht locks Baker up with some concessions. Dang, I like the immature Baker better. The one that just wants to win and not ask for fair market value. I guess he gave up $3M guaranteed on his 5th year rookie option money to play for Mark Woeful Rhule without OTAs. And for the Bucs for a league low starter money at $7M last year. No more hometown discounts the third time around. He probably feels he finally needs to ask for market value.
Wonder if we can offer Russell Wilson something on a handshake to pay him $50M three years from now and only $2M for next two years.
March 8th, 2024 at 4:28 am
Yes yes!!! Baker IS the GOAT. Finally 🤑
March 8th, 2024 at 5:51 am
Ahh. Baker Mayfield was exactly who I predicted and the season turned out exactly how I predicted. Everyone is pining to give Mayfield a deal. Remember when we are a bad to mediocre team it’s because we kept the bad to mediocre QB
March 8th, 2024 at 11:24 am
Remember when Baker threw a 65 yard in air on the run td against Texas? People still said he didn’t have an NFL arm. Then he went and threw a record 75 yard bomb in an NFL game and won the accuracy contest against the other pro bowl qbs. That finally shut them up about his arm-for good. Then all they had was to “claim” he’s just an average qb.lmao Average qbs dont take 0-16 teams to 11-5 Average qbs dont take a team expected to win 4 games to the second round of the playoffs. He will shut them up also. He is SO average all Pro Mike Evans doesn’t want to play with anyone else. But what would Mike know? I think all you haters are from Texas or Ohio State and are still sore what Baker did to your beloved teams. 🤔
March 8th, 2024 at 3:59 pm
Bucblind Says:
March 8th, 2024 at 11:24 am
Remember when Baker threw a 65 yard in air on the run td against Texas? People still said he didn’t have an NFL arm.
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Yeah, no one believed in him at all. He was always a massive underdog, having to earn everything he got, starting at the bottom and…
Oh wait, he was literally the 1st pick in the draft.
March 9th, 2024 at 12:42 am
I bet Baker’s side wants $40 mill, and Jason’s committed to no more than 35 mill; both sides may have to have the “free market” make the decision.
Baker’s agent is probably worried that under 40 mill for Baker will make him (the agent) “look bad” for recruiting future-clients.