Mystifying Money Flush On Jay Hayes
February 15th, 2018
Absolutely defensive line coach Jay Hayes was fired after receiving a 2018 contract extension a small handful of weeks ago.
Hayes was dumped last week after two Bucs seasons and Bucs beat writer Rick Stroud is adamant that Hayes got a new deal before he was told to clean out his desk.
Here are Stroud’s exact words from his Tampa Bay Times podcast:
“This team decided pretty early on when they brought back Dirk Koetter, when they knew he was coming back; that was announced before the final game. Shortly thereafter, you know, all their assistants, their contracts were up but there was a club option on all of them. And I confirmed and have confirmed that Jay Hayes was one of the assistants, along with the others, where the team actually picked up the club option. So he has a contract with the Bucs to coach in 2018. So for something like this to come down this late, you know, a lot of antennas go up.”
Assuming Stroud is accurate, man, Joe can only imagine the collective face of Team Glazer when advised of this money flush. Of course, Joe hears the internet speculation that Team Glazer ordered the hit on Hayes, but that sure is tough to believe.
So how does this happen? How does a veteran coach get a performance evaluation followed by a new contract and then a quick boot out the door? It’s highly unlikely that the real truth ever comes out.
It’s almost as odd as hiring an offensive coordinator who literally didn’t know how to call plays — and then firing him when it was uncovered several months later (see 2009 Buccaneers).
February 15th, 2018 at 11:08 am
How much money are we talking? A few hundred grand is chump change to the Glazers.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:18 am
I’m guessing that Jason Licht asked the Bucs coaches to be totally honest with him about the state of their various position groups and that Jay Hayes took him literally. Bon voyage Jay.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:19 am
Just another indecisive Mickey mouse move by a glazer led organization void of leadership. Bucs are easily the worst ran orgaization in all of pro sports
February 15th, 2018 at 11:22 am
well, this somewhat supports what my partner told me…..GMC was unhappy with hayes and his stunts….told smitty about his displeasures but smitty said his hands were tied…meaning its nothing he can do because they are all under contract….so GMC took it to licht and upper management….the rest is history….
GMC didn’t want a.donald drafted because he wanted to remain a 3-tech….we passed…
GMC didnt like mr. toes on the line…..too mean too many stunts…schiano was canned…..
GMC voiced his displeasures about playing in a 34…..smitty listened….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:23 am
It’s a Bucs life.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:30 am
You don’t know that he did not say or do something that got him fired. Anything is possible. They just will not make it public.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:31 am
How many more coaches and free agents need to fail before cancer93 is eradicated
February 15th, 2018 at 11:32 am
Again..No organizational skills. This last minute guffaw probably cost the Glazers a 3 to 7 hundred grand but whose counting. absolutely nothing surprises me from the incompetent organizations. Including the losses. Yep..it is a Bucs life!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:42 am
the only reason to keep quite about the firing is to protect someone….if hayes did anything wrong no doubt it would’ve been reported…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:43 am
How does one ban Tmaxcon for life?
February 15th, 2018 at 11:44 am
Boy, what a mess. Who is our D Line Coach?
Glazers fires Mike Shula two weeks after the Super Bowl. Hayes was fired two weeks after the super bowl.
Someone give the Glazers smelling salt! Kickball strategy for Manchester United does not work in the NfL.
And, if GMC really did refuse to love for Aaron Donald, and shined about coaching scheme, then he can leave. Buh bye!
We need players will g to do whatever it takes thus *buying in* to the team philosophy.
GMC should take his eight figure contract and do whatever it takes to win as prescribed by his coaches.
I’m tired of losing and particularly losing with a soft defensive line. The most expensive player on loud defense is not a leader, and needs to stop assuming leadership responsibilities.
Just win baby!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:47 am
Matt,
Tmaxcon is entitled to their opinion. Just like your reading of the comments on this lovely site is *optional*.
We need to keep it real, now, more than ever. No more losing. Why do we continue to suck? Our longest tenured player with the fattest contract, GMC, is fully warranted to be questioned. Especially if he is making prima Donna demands. How about he gets 10 sacks in a season and then he can claim his right to call the shots.
GMC doesn’t help this defense win games. Bottom line. The defense was last in sacks, and 3rd down defense. Soft AF.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:48 am
SCAPE-GOAT!
Ya’ll with this GMC B.S! We were bad before he got here. Hello, organization! Do you really think a GOOD organization allows ANY player to dictate anything?! It doesn’t matter what player you bring in or what coach. If leadership is absent at the top, if your football team is being run like a business with ZERO passion, THAT is the product you are going to have on the field.
A coach or owner worth his salt (who would never be hired here, BTW!) wouldn’t tolerate this B.S.
Firing Hayes was just a tactic to keep fans pacified. The WHOLE staff would’ve been gone anywhere else, extension or not.
SOS!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:52 am
As if the record over the past 12 seasons wasn’t enough of an indicator that these owners are some of the worst in sports, we have ourselves another example of their ineptitude.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:53 am
813
Cmon man. If someone breaks wind in the Buc’s locker room it’s all GMC’s fault.
You guys are literally beginning to embarrass yourselves! Why detract from your normally solid posts with this GMC nonsense.
Now since we are all speculating how about this?
Perhaps there was a simple personality conflict…most likely between Hayes and Smitty but it could have been Koetter…it could have been multiple coaches.
We do not know anything about Jay Hayes or his personality. We do know that he has a solid resume and I’m sure he felt with his background and success that he could always get another job and therefore didn’t have to take “spit” from anyone…including Smitty or Koetter or even Licht. The other rumor I’ve read from a poster here on JBF…sorry I can remember the name for attribution…who pointed out that Hayes has been saying very little about the Bucs on social media instead focusing on his two football playing sons. Perhaps he thought a year off might be nice anyway so he could watch the one still playing at William and Mary.
I’m not saying any of these guys is a jerk and culpable. Simply suggesting that after years in the workplace I’ve seen plenty of personality clashes ending up with one party leaving or being shown the door. I suspect we may never find out the “real” reason for this move because personality conflicts are messy affairs and nobody really wants to talk about them.
February 15th, 2018 at 11:55 am
Martavus Bryant says to Tomlin, “You ain’t getting me the ball enough!”
Tomlin says, “Oh? I thought this was a team game? So, you’re bigger than the team eh, pothead?!”
Bryant watches from the bench.
Now, GMC says to Tomlin, “Coach, I ain’t changing positions for no rook!”
What would you speculate Tomlin’s response to be?:
“That’s OK Gerald” OR “You’ll do whatever it takes to win or you can have a seat on the bench over there next to Martayvus!”?!
The player does NOT dictate to the coach, that’s the coaches job, TO LEAD!
STOP the nonsense!
February 15th, 2018 at 11:56 am
Definitely odd and not a good thing to hear this kind of stuff. Seems like we’re not on the same page as an organization going forward. Great.
February 15th, 2018 at 12:00 pm
I am starting to think TMAXCON may be on to something about 93.
Perhaps Gerald just doesn’t fit in well with the Bucs.
If the Bucs could trade with a team to get a good pass rusher or high draft pick(s) then the Bucs should explore those options.
February 15th, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Something’s up. If we’d immediately hired Del Rio or someone else we coveted, but new contract, then fired two weeks later. People everywhere get fired for going AWOL, missed meetings, showing up drunk or stoned or going all Howard Beale in the office. NFL coaches are under incredible stress; no one should be surprised if one of them cracks. If (pure speculation) something like that happened, management would try to keep it quiet to use it (keeping quiet) in negotiating a settlement.
February 15th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
My personal Tmax theroy is that he is actually GMC or a family member trying to get him traded to a team that actually has more than a snowballs chance in hell of making the playoffs before the decade ends.
February 15th, 2018 at 12:40 pm
Because he told Licht, Koetter and the glaciers that there is no way in hell he can produce a pass rush the way this defense is being coached to play in the secondary.
Hayes called them out and Koetter stuck up for his bff.
Like I said two years ago Mike Smith will will get this entire coaching staff fired
February 15th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Tmax’s incessant water torture about #93, and the gradual increase in number of those that agree proves, once again, the old axiom:
“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”
February 15th, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Something may have happened behind scenes they are trying to keep quite.
Harvey Weinstein era so who knows ?
February 15th, 2018 at 12:53 pm
It was not a “new” deal!!!! The Bucs picked up the third year option on the assistant coaches!!!!! those had due dates that must be decided before they were able to review!!!! I have no problem in picking up the option so you can take time to make the correct decision, and you still have to be sure that you can make an upgrade as well as part of that decision!!!!!!!!
The sheep cried for “accountability” after 1 bad year, but yet wanted to see a third bad year from loser lovie, then when you finally see the results of accountability you cry and make conspiracy theories!!!!!!!!!!
As the great gladiator yelled, ” Are You Not Entertained”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 1:01 pm
Hayes just a fall guy… but goes to show you how smart our guys in the front office and our head coach is…. glazers gave these guys one more shot… and they pay it forward like this to an assistant … real classy dork and jason
February 15th, 2018 at 1:15 pm
STPETE
don’t be naïve…
Im not saying this is true or that I believe it, im just posting what someone told me…..and it aint far fetched…..
I know you remember GMC not wanting Donald….not wanting schiano….not wanting to play 34…..whats to say he didn’t want hayes…..
don’t you find it strange that hayes was fired after receiving an extension and the reason why he’s been fired hasn’t come to light yet…..in addition to the DB coach being retained….the DB’s were just as bad…..
well, you think this staff did a decent job last year so of course not…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 1:20 pm
Bird Says:
February 15th, 2018 at 12:43 pm
Something may have happened behind scenes they are trying to keep quite.
^BINGO^
they’re protecting someone…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 1:26 pm
813
NO I do not remember any of that stuff. I DO remember posters “claiming” such various nonsense without a lick of proof. Never read it from somebody like IRA or Stroud or the Joes. Perhaps I just missed it.
I think Buccaneer Bill nailed all of this nonsense.
“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.”
While I find that mildly disturbing on this football blog…I find it incredibly bothersome at how much of it is now going on in our nation.
When 42% of a political party claim that actual FACTS that they concede are FACTS but that they disagree with are fake news…we have a problem.
February 15th, 2018 at 1:37 pm
tmaxcon Says:
February 15th, 2018 at 11:19 am
Bucs are easily the worst ran orgaization in all of pro sports
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Can you please enlighten us as to why you are even here? You clearly don’t like this team, the coaches, the players, or the owners. I highly doubt you cheer for them, it’s much more likely that IF you watch the Bucs at all it’s simply because you enjoy pointing out when they make mistakes. You’re obviously not a fan (even though you love to point out that nobody is a “real” fan unless they hate this team apparently). So again, why are you here?
February 15th, 2018 at 1:46 pm
I doubt the Glazer boys got all bowed up over a DL coach and had him fired.
Not like anybody is buying a ticket because of the DL coach. More likely some kind of rift developed with Hayes and either Smith or Licht.
Otherwise, why pick up the option and then fire the guy? They didn’t become fabulously wealthy by throwing money away.
February 15th, 2018 at 1:48 pm
Bucsfanma. Tom Brady influenced the Patriots to trade the back up QB. You are crazy if think the top players on a team have no influence. That said I don’t think anyone knows if GMC influenced this or not. All hearsay.
February 15th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
Inside Scoop: Hayes requested his release, waiving the extension.
February 15th, 2018 at 1:55 pm
The Buc Realist Says:
“The sheep cried for “accountability”…”
ohhhhhhh! You just called Joe a sheep!
February 15th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
McBuc- You are using a 5 time S.B. winning QB as your argument?! Yea, I think Tom might have some clout being a SB winner and all but a DT on a losing team? Man, please!
And, if you think for one minute that Bill Belichek is not the HMFIC, then you don’t watch much football. Strong owners and coaching leadership trumps player’s influence.
This is the problem in Tampa Bay! We don’t even know what it looks like. I’ll say it again, if we had strong leadership, we would be talking about disappointing seasons after going 9-7. 9-7 has become the Buc gold standard for winning. It’s pathetic.
February 15th, 2018 at 2:03 pm
Another no-big-deal story. For one thing, it showed the Bucs wanted to keep guys from jumping ship going into a make or break season. A smart move. Then, they were willing to swallow that salary once they had fully evaluated the situation.
February 15th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
BucFanFromOH
I love the team but its clear after 16 years without a meaningful win and 11 years without a meaningful game the glazers incapable of putting a respectable product on the field. I’ve had enough and will no longer be patient or give free passes. I’ve earned the righ to botch. being a buc fan from 78 enough is enough
February 15th, 2018 at 2:08 pm
I’m still asking myself. who did Jay Hayes had to develop? How can he develop Noah Spence and Stevie T while they’re on IR? How can he develop Ayers, Gholston, GMC, McDonald, Clarke, Baker, those guys are NFL veterans. Jason Licht didn’t draft any quality D-Linemen to be develop.
February 15th, 2018 at 2:10 pm
Note to low standard buc fan:
Ignoring reality and rewriting history to justify 16 years of PURE FAILURE does not make you a better fan just means yuou have lower standards and unlimited patience
February 15th, 2018 at 2:13 pm
tmaxcon..Welcome to da club Brother!! You have earned the right to speak your mind. Even Joe knows this. He does not want a bunch of pansies like Buc realist hidin behind pretexts yr after yr sayin we are going to get better. Thats become a repeating phrase for many yrs now. I’ve been a Buc fan since inception. Was there at the ole Stadium with my dad when we played our 1st game ever. I don’t agree with everything you say. But its your right to say it. Piss on’em all!!
February 15th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
@ tmaxcon
Damn, since ’78? Fair enough, that’s a long ass time to be tortured (excluding a few years in the early 2000’s) and certainly trumps my 20 some years of being a fan. B*tch away!
When I was old enough to pick a team, it was only a couple years of bad before they started turning the corner with a dominant defense. I just thought that was what the Bucs were about, I was too young to know any better. My teenage years proved I was sadly mistake of course.
February 15th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
mistaken*
February 15th, 2018 at 2:48 pm
I’d love to be positive but I will not make excuses or have false hope any longer. You either win or lose no such thing as making progress or the arrow is pointing up. Those are cliches just as meaningless as cancer93 pro bowls.
February 15th, 2018 at 2:48 pm
16 years of failue not 16 weeks people
February 15th, 2018 at 2:52 pm
Jeez Joe my comment has been in moderation 40 minutes. What gives?
February 15th, 2018 at 2:53 pm
tmaxcon
You’re way off
It’s more like 42 years of failure, except for a few years
February 15th, 2018 at 3:03 pm
Lol Tmax you’re entire existence on this board is a cliche. Which is to say that you keep muttering the same three or four sentences over and over again.
You talk all high and proud thinking you know your sh!t but most fans that know their football realized McCoy was nothing special a very very long time ago. Your nothing special dude, just the last dreamer eyed fan that held out hope longer then anybody that Gerald was the next coming of Sapp just like Reginald Roundtree reported and you bought in hook line and sinker.
As for meaningless, that would also be you as your posts are completely meaningless as every single one of them is completely irrevelant……Dungy, GMC not a leader, Bucs lost a lot of games…..All irrevelant.
Have the last word dude. I will go back to ignoring your drivel like most of the fanbase does already……..Don’t worry though, I’ll poke your little fire next time I got a hangover or something else bugging me that I can take out on you.
In fact I hear by dub you sir as Tampa’s official punching bag.
February 15th, 2018 at 3:04 pm
Is it possible to just give up and hate this team, man put some effort into it at least, you’d think things would get better not worse, 2018 will be a wasted year unless we draft Chubb or one of the top 4 RBs Barkley, Guice, Ronlad Jones, or Michel, but I’m sure smart guy Licht will wait too long again or draft a backup QB, and pass on talent
February 15th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
And what’s up with the first post calling a couple hundred grand chump change? That’s some pretty flawed logic.
February 15th, 2018 at 3:29 pm
I like how Hayes gets a pass on the anemic pass it was all mike smiths fault.
February 15th, 2018 at 3:37 pm
JimmyJack
I have never been wrong. Glad I’m in your head enough for you to waste time on that post.
February 15th, 2018 at 3:52 pm
Some folks seem to think they are Sherlock Holmes for figuring out the bucs have struggled mightily since 2007 and no playoff wins since 2002.
We are all painfully aware.
February 15th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
None of you geniuses knows jack squat about why Hayes was really fired. But blame McCoy.
Yeah that’s it.
Where I c9me from, anyone getting fired like that had been found violating some iron clad policy. The fact that no one is saying anything tells me that if the reason leaks, Hayes can sue them. But keep blaming McCoy when there’s no visible evidence otherwise.
February 15th, 2018 at 4:25 pm
SPBF, well said. The “mccoy is the cause of everything” schtik is moronic and clownish. Dudes are seriously starting to play themselves:
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February 15th, 2018 at 4:25 pm
Trollmax, you are no more in JJ’s head then he is in yours, obviously. Hence your “last word” response. What’s amusing about the GMC trolls is that they make fun of his superhero love and then turn around and assign him superhero like powers. Sorry, no one can convince me that GMC somehow has the cachet, especially now when his $$ is no longer guaranteed (even though that makes no difference), to have the kind of influence being assigned to him. Schiano got Schiano fired (with an assist from Freeman); Lovie got Lovie fired; Hayes got Hayes fired. Same for [fill in the blank]. It’s just not that hired. GMC is a good, not great player. But he’s merely 1 of 53. There is no “I” (or “GMC”) in team. The entire team is mediocre at best right now and GMC is far from the worst of it.
February 15th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
*not that hard
February 15th, 2018 at 4:39 pm
Sad fact is none of us ‘sheep’ (thanks for that Realist) know what’s REALLY going on at One Buc Palace. I’m not even convinced the people INSIDE the building know what’s going on right now. Would love to think that Licht & company have developed a PLAN going forward that will fix all our shortcomings between now & the start of training camp. Just about everyone knows what they are it appears AND we have a bunch of resources to ‘fix’ an awful lot of them. The bigger question to me is “Is this the right crew (ownership, management, coaching staff) to make the Bucs relevant yet again? Unfortunately my confidence in ALL of them is waning rapidly.
@Tmaxcon … “JimmyJack, I have never been wrong. GLAD I’M IN YOUR HEAD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO WASTE TIME ON THAT POST.” TMax, if that’s your motivation for being on JBF then I feel bad for ya. Periodically you have some fairly astute observations, but most will blow right past them … for some obvious reasons. And BTW, based on your earlier comment that you don’t believe in God, you’ve been wrong at least once … and that one’s a whopper.
February 15th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
TMAX
‘I’d love to be positive”
Thanks for the laugh of the day. Bwwaaahaaaahaaa
There is NOTHING in life that you are positive about except your own grand knowledge. You hate libruls…progressives…denounce them as snowflakes…accurate media reports that don’t fit your narrative. I’m trying to remember a single time you’ve been positive about a single topic.
But I’m not critical…I feel sorry for you.
February 15th, 2018 at 5:25 pm
Defense Rules Says:
February 15th, 2018 at 4:39 pm
Sad fact is none of us ‘sheep’ (thanks for that Realist) know what’s REALLY going on at One Buc Palace. I’m not even convinced the people INSIDE the building know what’s going on right now.
^BINGO^
and that’s the scary part about this upcoming season….no one seems to be on the same page….I can only imagine what the war room looks like come draft time….your starting to lose confidence in this staff?….welcome to the club….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
February 15th, 2018 at 5:52 pm
The Bucs need to hire a team president that’s above Licht and acts as a bridge to the Glazers. It worked for the Jags, just sayin’.
February 15th, 2018 at 5:53 pm
Jay Hayes probably got tired of dealing with the Bucs Mickey Mouse operation and walked out.
February 15th, 2018 at 6:03 pm
Mike Johnson…if we’re on this board we’ve earned the right to say what we feel –
even if it’s negative about the team.
That’s not my issue with Tmax. I’d simply prefer that he not continually roll out the same four or five negative statements. That’s what I meant by “incessant water torture”. I believe we should all try to make thoughtful, relevant posts. Having said that, as Buc fans, we’re literally part of a small community, membership in which guarantees a certain amount of frustration.
I don’t know about everyone else, but I plan around the Buc’s schedule and I’ve been doing that since 1979. I get as emotional after the wins and the loses as anyone else. I also get angry when they make bonehead decisions such as all those made by Culverhouse, when he was the owner, starting with not paying Doug Williams.
I’ll close by saying that I’m very much on board with Koetter, Licht, and the overall direction of the team. That is obviously not a popular view. But, many teams, including the Bucs, have had crappy seasons followed by playoff wins. Why not the Bucs?
February 15th, 2018 at 6:15 pm
@JimmyJack @Stpete
Actually, Tmax has a really good point. Other teams can turn from zero to hero in 3-4 years. Bucs? Well, besides a few years of success, not much. Do you guys like being last in sacks and overall defense? Or like Tmax said you guys have low expectations? People spend tons of money to watch the bucs live and in turn they churn out constant horse crap on the field
February 15th, 2018 at 6:35 pm
Tmax has not had a valid point in 3 years so why start now? He is just a hater so dont be blinded by his anti-GMC coolaid. He is not even smart enough to realize that LVD has a worse W-L record than GMC, which is his major point against GMC (Capt of Losing culture). He misconceives that that GMC is supposed to be a HOF player when in reality he is a good player…not great…good. Do teams rid themselves of good players? I think not.
Bucs have red flags all over the place and when you look at the flags collectively then you can only analyze and say that the organization is in complete disarray and that starts at the top (Glazers). Anyone thinking the Bucs will be competitive next year is not paying attention. 8-8 and that is really pushing it.
Sorry Buc fans…I wish the Dr had better news.
February 15th, 2018 at 6:54 pm
“Do teams rid themselves of good players?” In this case, yes. Here’s why: McCoy is definitely on the backside of his career, so why not trade him for a younger player with more potential and some picks? That’s really the only case for trading good players. Other than that, I agree with you for the most part, DoNUTS. Like you said, McCoy is a good player, but great in rare occasions. I do understand Tmaxcon’s frustration towards the lack of productivity from the d-line perspective
February 15th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
The Carolina Panthers get rid of good players every year. That don’t stop them from competing. They are about to get rid of some good players this season. You can do that if you quality depth. Something that the Bucs had no idea of. The word depth is not a part of the Bucs vocabulary.
February 15th, 2018 at 7:05 pm
You can do that if you have quality depth
February 15th, 2018 at 7:58 pm
In recent history, these moves have backfired big time more often than not. The Dolphins are still climbing out of the hole that team president Bill Parcells dug. And anyone remember the vaunted success of the Browns under team president Mike Holgren?
Licht is a team president, without the title. He has direct access to the Glazers and vice versa.
If you have to hire a figurehead because you don’t trust the GM, then get a new GM. This isn’t complicated.
February 15th, 2018 at 9:48 pm
If 2018 yields another dissapointing season, then hire Scot McCloughan, and then let him identify some talent. He got hosed in DC. Bryce Allen (typing accent)inept AF.
Kirk Cousins would’ve been locked up years ago by the Skins and McCloughan, but inept Allen, team president, refused.
February 16th, 2018 at 6:46 am
are we the tropical Browns?
February 16th, 2018 at 10:10 am
The Nfl’s version of severance pay! It also tends to keep people quieter.