Step Back Or Step Forward For Mike Glennon?

December 8th, 2013

Mike Glennon racked up his fourth win against six losses in a laugher today at the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway, surpassing leaky Rip Van Freeman’s mark of 3-6 in his rookie season.

But how should Bucs fans evaluate Glennon’s performance against Buffalo as the future face of the franchise? It’s a question that the New Schiano Order and Team Glazer surely will be scrutinizing at the end of the season.

Today Glennon made a fantastic touch throw to Vincent Jackson, truly elite.

Glennon hit Tiquan Underwood inside his shoulder in the end zone, a ball Underwood should have snagged.

Glennon threw two touchdown passes and flashed solid escapability.

But Glennon threw two picks, had horrific number 9-for-25 for 90 yards, seemed rattled at times in the pocket by pressure that wasn’t there, took a needless sack, and looked like a typical rookie that just happened to be a lot better than the other rookie QB on the other side of the field.

Glennon, unfortunately, is somewhat weapons challenged and Bucs fans can’t see what he can do with how a healthy Mike Williams would open up the field. Or what it would look like with a good slot receiver, or two tight ends.

But to be fair, Glennon’s performance has regressed the past two weeks. Because he’s a third-round pick and the Bucs have little invested in him, Glennon has got to shine in the final three games if the Bucs — and Bucs fans — are to feel confident in his future in Tampa Bay.

Freeman took a December fade last season and it earned him the gift of “competition,” aka Glennon. No. 8 will get that same spring gift if he can’t convince the world he can be “the guy” to mix it up with Matt Ryan, Drew Brees and Cam Newton for a division title.

Fair or not, that’s a quarterback’s life in the NFL.

70 Responses to “Step Back Or Step Forward For Mike Glennon?”

  1. mark2001 Says:

    He is a young guy.. how many times will we have a highly ranked QB fall into our lap in the draft in a Solid QB heavy draft, if one does? I think your assessment is right on the money…..if he doesn’t play at a high level the next three games, we have to consider a QB. Not saying we can’t build a championship team around an average QB. But who would want to have to have everything else nearly perfect to make a run with an average QB?

  2. WalkdaPlank Says:

    To be completely honest, IMO Glennon looked like Josh Freeman today. With all the ups and downs and rollercoaster actions from him, but still pulling out the “W”. He’s just a rookie, and he’s had a solid season overall, but this is definitely not one of his better games. This kind of play is what got Freeman benched and eventually ran out of town. But Freeman was in his 5th season, Glennon is just a rook. So as long as we don’t see too much of this down the road, Mike’ll be alright.

  3. Walter Says:

    I’m already convinced that we need to bring in competition for him during the offseason. Glennon is too inconsistent to trust, and three more games isn’t enough to change that.

  4. BucNasty!!! Says:

    O completed passes in the second half matches the coaching we’ve been getting all year m the 2nd half…. shatting the bed as usual. I’ll take cutler for a 2 year short stay if we don’t decide to trade the house for Bridgewater n the draft

  5. Trox Says:

    I would say Glennon’s overall performance has been that of a rookie. Carolina’s D has made a lot of Qbs (Wilson, Ryan, Kap, Brady) look very ordinary. I believe who ever is the regime at draft time, should stick to their draft board, even if it means drafting a QB. The way the Bucs are quickly falling down the draft board, it is a very real possibility 2 or 3 QBs will be off the board. Stick to the draft board and draft the BPA.

  6. C. Alaka Says:

    I’m actually not that down on Glennon!…he threw 2 picks today, the 1st Vincent Jackson slipped on his in route which would’ve at least got him in position to break it up & the 2nd I would put on him which was just a poor jumpball to Jackson…this was probably the least accurate game throwing wise I seen from him…with that being said he threw 2 TDs & we won by a big margin!…remember Joe all that matters is the “W”…so I was encouraged that even tho he didn’t play his best he still found a way to do more than enough to win…Freeman would’ve made sure the game was close so they can kick a FG @ the end to win #FACTS

    I wouldn’t waste a 2nd or 3rd round pick on QB, I would continue to build the team around him b/c I think he can get us a chip…I say bring in a vet QB to have in case & to continue the development of Glennon

  7. d-money Says:

    I think Glennon will be fine. He’s a rookie and his progression isn’t always going to be linear. He had a bad game today but he did enough to win and that TD that called back to V Jax was a big time throw.

    How he responds next week wil be a big clue to what he’s made of.

  8. Alex2013 Says:

    When is the last time the Bucs’ passing yards was less than 100 yards in a game?

  9. Buc1987 Says:

    “in a laugher today at the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway”

    Joe what exactly made this game a “laugher”?

    Were you watching the same game I was?

  10. d-money Says:

    Bucnasty,

    You’re right he had 0 completions in the second have but what you’re leaving out is that they only attempted 5 passes …4 in the 3rd,one of which was a beautiful TD pass to VJax that was called back, and only one in the 4th quarter .

    I’d hardly consider that shatting the bed. Was it great? No but he didn’t need to be forcing anything with the defense playing the way they were.

  11. Nate_tweetz Says:

    I agree. These last few games are important to see if Glennon starts learning from his rookie mistakes or if he remains inconsistent. In his defense, their weren’t too many opportunities that I saw where guys were just running wide open. Many of his incompletions were from him trying to squeeze passes into tight coverage. At one point, I thought that he was getting a little too obsessed with getting the ball to VJ no matter what. I was getting “Freeman-flashbacks” on that one pick.

    The main thing that bothered me is his bad decisions on his picks. Both picks were thrown with us in FG range. Against a good team, those picks could have been the difference in the game.

    On a side note… I know Glennon is only making 3rd round money, but that dude needs to invest in a tailor. He looks like a little kid wearing his dad’s suit at all of the postgame press conferences. C’mon man! lol

  12. BucNasty!!! Says:

    U mean besides today lmao probably never but what’s really funny is how Manuel threw for twice as many yards as the dink and dunk king while throwing 4 picks lmao when has Glennon ever made u believe he was any better then a 150 yard high percentage completion manager…All his games total yards are always flukey if he doesn’t have a v jax deep ball bailout to pad the stats then he’s gonna consistently produce 150 yard games that’ll never cut it.

  13. PRBucFan Says:

    The entire offense was anemic in the second half lets not act like it was just Glennon.

    Considering that that whole half was almost literally run(stuff), run(stuff), 3rd and long pass it’s really not that unbelievable.

  14. It's A Bucs Life 4 Me Says:

    BucNasty has had his mind made up about Glennon for a long time now. No use in arguing with the buffoon. If Glennon continues to win thats all that will matter. If not we draft a new guy, most likely wont be this year though.

  15. Mr. Patrick Says:

    I think if Glennon was in a better offensive play system and had more quality targets that he would be a major threat. No QB would look great in this offense

  16. Andrew 1 Says:

    1 thing I’ve noticed with Glennon is that if he makes a mistake, it tends to impact him negatively for the rest of the game. He just need to remember to move on to the next play and not harp on some of those mistakes.

  17. d-money Says:

    Bucnasty,

    Let me give you a little football 101 lesson.

    Manuel threw for more yards because he was down by 3 touchdowns after the 1st quarter. They had to throw the ball on every play.

    Glennon on the other hand was up by 3 touchdowns so he didn’t need to throw the ball in the 2nd half.

    See how that works? Win you’re winning by 3 touchdowns it would be foolish to throw the ball..you’re trying to burn as much time as you can and run the clock out.

    Also you can’t fault a QB for throwing jump balls to a receiver if that receiver comes down with the ball 99% of the time. Matt Stafford has made a career out of doing just that in Detroit.

  18. BB Says:

    Nothing wrong with having another good QB available on roster to join Glennon but who would you add? Personally I like this Rookie mind you as our guy nick foles is developing nicely and last year he was terrible at times. Joe and everyone who should they add? No chance at bridgewater, mariotta, hundley going back to school a later pick to develop aaron murray or the LSU kid from injuries seems worth it or a reliable AJ Mccarron but aside from those don’t see any options I think boyd and Johnny both wont be good and trading for cousins would cost too much. I don’t see alot of options better than glennon myself. I don’t know much about Carr at Fresno but that’s it love to hear thoughts but again I was right about this team they are behind Greg all the way glad he is our coach

  19. Bucfan#37 Says:

    I’ll take Glennon over any of the potential QB’s on the horizon. Some games are ugly wins by the offense with good defensive showings. Glennon did’nt have a great game today, yet I still like what I’ve seen in his overall play this season so far. I’m happy with his development and feel secure in his quarterbacking potential and output next year.

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    He’s ROOKIE working with practically NO weapons!

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    I agree 100% with BB.

  22. BucNasty!!! Says:

    Which is why the Lions are the only decent team we beat this year lmao keep making excuses all u want for him but 90 yards passing for the game won’t cut it Glennon has shown this year he can b the back up but what has he shown to b the future high percentage short passes u like it I love it hahaha what a joke. No wonder we can’t threaten any teams who season isn’t already n a burning fireball from hell. Mediocre play will b the theme for ever if it where up to u guys. I just want a QB and coach who won’t waste those defensive talents and efforts because every team won’t roll over and give it to u n they’re territory 5 or 6 times

  23. PRBucFan Says:

    You smell like a bitter Freemanite

    Need a tissue?

  24. BucFan 20 Says:

    Dave Moore said the picks were not his fault. He has not played a full season. I am so tired of hearing about his picks. Kaepernick was sacked and picked today. Does that put him in question too? Someone said in another post just roll him left he is harmless. Quess what. The Niners rolled Wilson left several times today and he was harmless!
    He will be fine with more time in the off season to work.

  25. Adam L. Says:

    If you added Glennon and Manuel’s QBRs together, it still wasn’t a good QBR

  26. ryan Says:

    Glennon can be a nice backup and there’s nothing wrong with that. But he has yet to show a glimpse of being a franchise QB that is needed to compete and get to the playoffs in this league.

    To win in this NFL, you need a guy who is capable of throwing for a 400 yard performance if needed. Someone is consistently getting 300 yards and a bad game is around 250 yards. Glennon hasnt even come close to showing that.

    It’s just too bad there isnt a QB in this draft class that you can point to being a franchise QB. Maybe the kid from UCLA but that is such a toss up that its really not worth the risk where the Bucs will be drafting from unless he falls into the second round. Or trade up late in the first.

  27. Buc1987 Says:

    The first TD pass to Jackson was gorgeous. The second TD pass to Jackson that got called back to was even better. The kid will be fine, because he has NO weapons right now. Call it excuses all you want, but it’s the truth.

  28. Tim Says:

    Im just worried we have another average Qb. Who will just be up and down. And we will win 5-7 games a year and we’ll have the same mess we had with Freeman. He seems to start the games off pretty good. Then for whatever reason in the 2nd half he just sucks.

  29. mvermulm Says:

    I’d like to see an o-lineman or d-lineman, but I agree Glennon needs competition next year. It does not, however, need to be someone who steps in and starts right away. I’d welcome Bortles in the first round (assuming a pick around where we’re at now or later), or I’d wait and pick one of McCarron, Mettenberger, or Murray. Let whomever they draft take the time they need to develop, and then have them and Glennon compete for the starting job. With more weapons, I think Glennon can be very much like Foles, who just gets the ball into their hands and lets them do the work. The offensive scheme certainly needs work though as well (fire Sully please).

  30. jared Says:

    As long as Schiano is here (or any other coach that comes along) there shouldn’t be a need for a QB this year. Glennon has showed enough to be given the reigns next year. Talk of a high draft pick is stupid right now. Other areas need fixed first before we do’nt give the guy a chance

  31. buccanAy Says:

    Obviously not a giant step forward…but for all the people criticizing…what’s your solution? He’s a ROOKIE, playing with ONE drafted skill player. It seems so typical of this fan base…very easy to criticize, but what’s your solution? Of course, he needs competition, but do we give up our #1 and #2 to draft Bridgewater? I’m baffled by the constant negativity around this guy. where is this”franchise QB” tree everyone seems to think exists?

  32. PRBucFan Says:

    A back up?

    Funny cause he seems to be starting

  33. Alan Bucs Says:

    I agree with BB and Bucs fan#37. I think our problem as bucs fans is that we have become so tainted by quarterbacks that we want Mike Glennon to instantly be annointed as our quarterback saviour. I believe the biggest problem in Bucs history with quarterbacks is that we haven’t properly developed them. we either don’t put enough weapons around them to help them become more successful or there is not enough stability in coaching staffs to keep them in the same system to grow in with good players around them. It would be good to bring in veteran or another later round quarterback but lets not kill Mike Glennon’s confidence and development. because we want him to be Joe Montana after ten games!

  34. It's A Bucs Life 4 Me Says:

    Lol I think its comical that people are saying we need a new QB because we have the 4th best QB in the division… so their answer is to draft the 5th best QB in the 1st round.

  35. ryan Says:

    “A back up?

    Funny cause he seems to be starting”

    thats funny, the last QB the Bucs started is a backup on an even worse time.

    Youre worse than Freemanites.

  36. BucsFanGreg Says:

    I want Jimmy Garroppolo but we will probably draft Aaron Murray

  37. d-money Says:

    Didn’t make excuses for him Bucstinky…just stating facts.

    I even agreed that he didn’t have his best game but you are so blinded by your single minded hatred that you can’t understand that sometimes there are extenuating circumstances. I realize that you may need to look that word up… I’ll wait…………………

    ………………ok so any way he wasn’t having a good game we can all agree on that. The Coaches wisely chose to not have him throw the ball with a 3 TD lead. He’s a rookie. Rookie QB’s aren’t expected to put the team on their back and win the game. They’re expected to manage the game and minimize mistakes.

    This is the last I’ll have to say about this since I have realized that you don’t really know what you’re taking about and aren’t worth the effort.

    Also dude grammar and punctuation can be your friend.

  38. Phillip Says:

    For all the Glennon lovers… WAKE UP.. He balled out against some of the WORST defenses in the NFL… Read this article and others from the poster on this website he KNOWS what he is talking about..

    http://www.bucsnation.com/2013/12/8/5189604/gurs-gut-reaction-to-glennon-considerable-cause-for-concern

  39. Ty Says:

    Glennon needs competition…it has shown that after some mistakes he is rattled and for someone to say when ur up 3 Tds u don’t need to throw but run out the clock…really look at the Seattle game we played…up three and lost because the offense couldn’t get goin…believe that has happened in a couple of games…right now Glennon is doin good in a junk season..but when it comes down to it the Bucs need someone better..someone mobile someone that can move…I am happy we are winning but pissed because of all the talent we have and have looked ridiculous in most our games..glad the d is stepping up..just need a way to compliment the d with points..

  40. PRBucFan Says:

    Ultimately in the end you’ll just have to deal with it, cause at the very least he’ll be here for another season. ;)

  41. Bobby Says:

    Give Glennon weapons and he will be fine. For a rookie he is doing great. Be a good game manager until you have the weapons to be a gun slinger.

  42. d-money Says:

    Phillip,

    You’d rather he played poorly against the worst teams?

  43. PRBucFan Says:

    He should of had two more touchdown today on a perfect pass to underwood and another VJ.

  44. PRBucFan Says:

    Glennon was a few drops away from putting up Brees like numbers. He is the QB of the future, sorry Freeman lovers.

  45. Bucky23 Says:

    Jimmy Garapollo from Eastern Illinois University please. Kid is going to be a star.

  46. chickster Says:

    He is just very average and the bucs will waist 2 years on him sorry bucoooo fans but he is not the answer they better load up on defense to keep us in the game this kid is a game manager that’s it go defense baby

  47. Phillip Says:

    D-Money,

    Yes actually.. I didn’t like the Schiano hire from day 1 and still don’t(HUGE MICHIGAN WOLVERINE FAN and Gator fan and felt the SAME EXACT way when they hired Rich Rodriguez and Muschamp my gut feellings haven’t steered me wrong yet on coaches)… Him playing bad means we lose… Which means a higher draft spot.. I’m failing to see the negatives here when we start a season 0-8? He hasn’t played good against one good defense either… Sorry but even Ponder has had a good game against shitty defenses.. You guys want him as our QB?

  48. PRBucFan Says:

    ryan Says:
    December 7th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
    Ur Crazy Joe… This coach does not deserve to keep his job even if he wins every game the rest of the season by 50 pts each. We know who this coach is, he is a coach who lost his 1st 8 games… COMEON!!! ur kidding me! Raheem lost his job for the same thing, but the white coach with 10 times as much talent gets a 2nd chance WTF is that??? Raheem had way less talent and Mccoy was out the whole season that year. Think if mccoy was out all this year too we probably still wouldn’t have won a game… SCHIANO HAS TO GO.. UR NOT GONNA WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH A MEDIOCRE COACH IT JUST DOENST HAPPEN SORRY!

  49. chickster Says:

    all these stupid post I see from u morons man get a life bucs will suck for years the jags are on the right track while the bucs will be the yucs

  50. Andrew 1 Says:

    the person who says get a life is right here posting with us LOL

  51. ryan Says:

    yeah i know, its impossible for two people to be named Ryan.

  52. PRBucFan Says:

    Anywho excited to see what Glennon looks like when he has all his weapons around him and has another offseason under his belt.

  53. ryan Says:

    “Ryan Says:
    December 7th, 2013 at 12:45 pm

    Ur Crazy Joe… This coach does not deserve to keep his job even if he wins every game the rest of the season by 50 pts each. We know who this coach is, he is a coach who lost his 1st 8 games… COMEON!!! ur kidding me! Raheem lost his job for the same thing, but the white coach with 10 times as much talent gets a 2nd chance WTF is that??? Raheem had way less talent and Mccoy was out the whole season that year. Think if mccoy was out all this year too we probably still wouldn’t have won a game… SCHIANO HAS TO GO.. UR NOT GONNA WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH A MEDIOCRE COACH IT JUST DOENST HAPPEN SORRY!”

    pretty pathetic by you. Go back and look at those comments and you see that Ryan by that poster is with a capital R. Every post I’ve made on here is with a lowercase R. You even went as far as to change the spelling of that “Ryan” to look like my “ryan” when you pasted that stupid comment.

    here is the link to make it easier for you and others to see what you did:

    http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=102714#comments

    you can apologize and I’ll chalk it up to an honest mistake on your part.

  54. WalkdaPlank Says:

    What Glennon needs is a better O-line. Apart from the 80 yard run, the Bucs had no running game at all. Take away that big run and Rainey only had 47 yards on 21 carries, which is terrible. Not bashing Rainey at all, the runs were predictable and the holes weren’t there. Glennon was pressured a lot today as well.

  55. ryan Says:

    sure just about any OL can use an upgrade but when teams have no respect for your passing game, they will load up in the box.

  56. Ty Says:

    What’s funny is if freeman threw for 90 yards and 2 Tds and 2 ints he needed to be gone…Glennon does it and he is franchise…haha..defense is playing better and the run game has picked up…Glennon will be a great back up…if competition is brought in that’s prob what he will be a back up…stats are stats…whether there freeman or Glennon…the defense is playin better and so is the special teams…my opinion( which none of our opinions really mean much ) we need to draft a qb in upcoming draft

  57. WalkdaPlank Says:

    @Ty, Glennon is a rookie, Freeman was in his 5th year. If Glennon plays like this 4 years from now, I’m sure he get the Freeman treatment, but he’s just a rookie, how much can you really expect? And I’m a former Freemanite.

  58. Buc Neckid Says:

    Just saw that the KC QB
    A.Smith just threw for 137 yds
    KC beat Washington 45-10

  59. buccanAy Says:

    Yes, there should be cause for concern about our rook Qb, but there should be a helluva lot of concern about our vet oline, and lack of skill players. Im truly baffled about the “tunnel-vision” focus on a rookie qb. I’ve heard it all..when he goes 21-24, “its not about the stats”… when he plays well and loses, it’s all about wins, when he has the stats and wins…no, its all about the tape. I’ve never seen nothing like this. And it’s coming from “bucnation” which I used to have the highest regard for. Its so easy to criticize, when you have no answer, and I will give Gur credit, because, at least, he threw out Matt Schaub as the answer…but most just bash Glennon as “not the answer”…but offer nothing as a solution, but it so easy to pick apart a rookie QB with ZERO help, as far as skill guys go. VJax is the only drafted skill player he has, and he drops WAY to many passes, IMO. What’s the solution? Of course, draft a “franchise Qb”…right?

  60. BucFan 20 Says:

    When you have NO receivers you have no passing game. Try watching the game so far tonight. Newton? Shut down by DEFENSE. Brees. His OL is giving him all day and all his receicers (Top Quality) + Sproles.
    We only have a few receivers. 1 Top Quality now. Double him plus advertise what your going to do. Brees would play hell trying to win here.

  61. Andrew 1 Says:

    I’m on record as liking the Glennon, and I still do even after this game, but I think we should at least bring in some completion for next season. lets not baby Glennon like we did Freeman, if he really deserves the starting job then he will beat whoever we bring in to challenge him.

  62. Andrew 1 Says:

    * competition

  63. Ty Says:

    @Walk I understand the he is just the rookie..but with a couple what ifs bein in perspective..what if Lindell made fg in jets game..what if we didn’t let the saints drive 65 yards in 45 secs..what if the d would have played this way at the beginning…it wouldn’t have been bench freeman because it would have been a w..with descent numbers for the qb…not defending freeman..but in my opinion schiano set this season up as a mulligan..he got into the starters head and caused the mutiny from inside..he wanted someone to start and he got it..Glennon is a rookie and puts good numbers at times..yes he needs a couple years to establish..but with what the bucs have built in the last few years how long do we have before it will be again another rebuilding year…I will always wear the pewter and red..to me it’s just ridiculous how ppl will not call a spade a spade unless it’s something they want or something they can’t defend..bucs say they were built to win this year…what will be the excuse if they don’t have competition for Glennon and mid season next year come to the conclusion Glennon is not the answer…wouldn’t it be better to draft a good qb and provide Glennon with the competition and be prepared..instead of maybe wasting another year when some signs of inconsistency is already showing

  64. trubucfan22 Says:

    You glennon lovers must be blind. The first jackson td was a hideous throw. He was lucky jackson made a great play on the ball otherwise it would have should have been intercepted.

    Glennon is nothing special. He has made a few very good throws. But his body of work has been unimpressive. He mainly gets his yards from ugly deep jump balls that jackson does all the work on. Glennon looks to be a better qb than freeman but that is clearly not good enough.our offense needs to dominate if we want to compete in the south. This offense cant do that with glennon.

  65. Curmudgeon Says:

    Even if Glennon is given competition, I don’t see him wilting like the sleepy, leaky, Rip Van Freeman.

  66. lurker Says:

    derek carr ftw

  67. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Anyone who claims we can win in the playoffs with an average QB isn’t looking at the other QBs in the division. They are stuck in the past.

    Glennon sux. Period.

  68. BucNasty!!! Says:

    PRBucFan Says: 
    December 8th, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    Glennon was a few drops away from putting up Brees like numbers. He is the QB of the future, sorry Freeman lovers.
    ….. lmao he’s n denial Glennon was 9 -25 .. A few drops hahaha he completed 7 of his 9 passes n the first 3 drives of the game I guess it was drop city for the rest of the game with perfect p asses slipping off the butter on ever 1 else’s fingers… Glennonite maybe lmao stop making excuses for the kid his coaching is definitely stunting his growth but I call a spade a spade he stunk this game WITH his coaching but don’t absolve him with that travesty of a performance lmao 9-25 is a few drops from Brees like man ya credibility just got shot outa the cannons from the end zone lmfao

  69. BucNasty!!! Says:

    Typo first 2 drives!!!

  70. pick6 Says:

    same story as ever. when the running game is a threat (1st half, feeding off the success of rainey’s first run) the guy behind center looks like a pro bowler. when teams stop fearing the run (rainey 2 ypc after that first run, eventually you stop scaring people) our QB has a rough day at the office. i’m not sure freeman had a win without a 100 yard rusher in his career, glennon has been a bit better at overcoming it and came close to really making the bills pay for daring him to throw. if tiquan moves his hands a couple inches and VJax is a couple inches inside the boundary, and you’re talking about a kid who gave the bills a 4 TD afternoon in repayment for challenging him. glennon has a lot to improve on, but unlike the last QB you can see this kid working to make those improvements

 
 

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