Jameis Fits Koetter “Perfectly”
November 1st, 2016
Is the issue fundamentals?
Bucs fans continue to gnaw their fingernails after Sunday’s debacle with the Raiders.
Particularly because of how the ghost of Josh Freeman reappeared at the Den of Depression, disguised as America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
In the first quarter, Jameis looked every bit like the No. 1 overall pick he was. In the final three quarters and through overtime, Jameis looked as bad if not worse than Freeman after the Kansas State product went mental.
It spurred a Bucs fan to Twitter Andy Benoit, theMMQB.com’s X’s and O’s, to wonder if Jameis is in the wrong offensive system.
@MrWarchant: With personnel losses and Winston’s accuracy issues, should the Bucs adjust their offensive scheme? Is his footwork regressing?
@Andy_Benoit: It’s a good question, but hard to adjust midseason. And Winston’s style fits THIS scheme perfectly, wouldn’t fit others.
Joe is beginning to wonder two things:
1. The fact Dirk Koetter is now head coach, promoted from offensive coordinator, and no longer working with Jameis full-time, is that possibly why Jameis has regressed? (Koetter swears Jameis has not regressed, but Bucs fans have watched the games, both last year and this season. What do your eyes tell you?)
2. Why is quarterbacks coach Mike Bajakian blameless? He is supposed to be such a fundamentals guru. Please name a quarterback he developed? Per Joe’s research, the best quarterback Bajakian ever molded was Dan LeFevour, a journeyman pro who has bounced around eight different teams in the past six seasons, throughout the NFL and CFL. This summer, he didn’t make it to the preseason with the Bucs.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:30 pm
Jameis said that his rookie success was largely a credit to Baj as he made him work hard. I don’t see how the guy is a great coach developing Winston in his rookie year and then responsible for his regression the following year. If the offense is unprepared for the defense or vice versa, then I assign blame to the coaches, but otherwise the players have to take accountability. I’m not sure that accountability factor that Sapp and D Brooks stressed is in effect right now. A culture change, not coaching change, is needed on this team. We actually need continuity from the coaching ranks on this team. Dirk is going to be just fine but the players have to make a determined effort to turn this team around.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:34 pm
Bajakian? Koetter?
At some point Jameis needs to be accountable for his play. That time has come.
The fact that he can play well at times is very encouraging…..he needs to play well all of the time for a team like ours to win.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:36 pm
They need to continue running the ball like they have been the past 3 weeks but use more play action passes instead of the empty back sets. Once they go to those predictable passing formations teams know what’s coming. Winston has a long way to go to be the guy that I thought he’d be but they can help him out in the meantime by not lining up in predictable formations.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:38 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“The ghost of Hosh Freeman……that scares Pablo. Haboo may be having problems with his elongated arc. For Halloween Pablo threw his elongated arc over his shoulder and posed as a gasoline pump”
November 1st, 2016 at 4:38 pm
DB55 Says:
September 1st, 2016 at 2:17 pm
The other day I ask who coach B is and why? My reasoning is all the QBs are throwing behind the receivers. Either the receivers need to slow it down 1 step or theses QBs need to throw the ball where the WR will be not where he was. To me that’s a coaching issue but what do I know?
November 1st, 2016 at 4:39 pm
I’m telling u guys if we had a legit wr2 then this offence could hum smoothly. And the biggest problem on defence us PASS RUSH and we need a safty soooooo bad. So what do we do? We sign Eric Berry this offseason and draft another DE or DT in the 1st round and a WR in the 2nd. Or u can sign Alshon Jefferys in free agency and draft a S or DT/DE in the 1st or visa versa. And the fact that Licht got a 7th for a guy we already cut (lol) is amazing.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:41 pm
How about give him 2 more WR besides Evans, I like hump and shep but come on, the guy is throwing to number 4/5 WR all the time, plus the non stop injuries at RB, coupled with yet again an inconsistent pass rush on defense, we need to start getting actual talent to help the kid out. Sure he has missed some throws but damn he’s 22 years old and has this franchise on his back help the kid out.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:41 pm
Damn Mike Evans GOAT – I 100% agree.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:43 pm
Koetters playcalling as dual offensive coordinator and HC has regressed
*monken is offensive coordinator by name only. Fine receivers coach but thats it. Look at him at the sidelines. He is relaying plays in and he doesnt in have a play chart in his hand. Check his nfl resume …nada experience .jameis was getting better qb coaching in fsu than these 2 college boys. Lol
Koetter has too much in his plate and wearing too many clown hats
November 1st, 2016 at 4:43 pm
Also we should of signed josh Norman huh, I bet he would of came here over the skins all day to throw it right back in Carolina face, but we continue to make adequate to bad signings in the off season. I was all aboard the Robert ayers train and still like him and grimes but damn before you know it they will be old and need replacements also. That jac smith injury is really hitting us now also. So much to rant about but if they go out and take care of business Thursday we will all be happy at 4-4 and 3-0 in the division.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:49 pm
Dont believe what jameis says about his coaches…he is the ultimate teammate and will take the blame for everything
He will say his wawa is the best in america
He will say the janitor at his fav wawa is the best janitor in the world
He will say they have the best cuban coffee in the world….
November 1st, 2016 at 4:49 pm
If Evans goes down we are really screwed.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:52 pm
glad to see the joes admit jameis has indeed regressed….
the second question is a great one…..who is mike bajakian?….what has he done in the league as a coach?….
people bashed the previous hc for hiring friends and that’s the same exact thing dirk has done…hired his good buddy smitty who has made the defense worse….hired his good friend to coach the qb who has regressed….just another example of his incompetence….GO BUCS!!!
November 1st, 2016 at 4:53 pm
Nutter agreed
I dont like to talk negative about the bucs and vh3 is a rookie and hanging in there, but……
Vh3 will never never ever be a #1 corner in the nfl
November 1st, 2016 at 4:53 pm
We may be in collective denial about America’s (2nd Most Hated) Game-Manager QB Jameis Winston. Even as the #1 overall pick in the NFL Draft, many of us knew that he had raw talent and needed time to develop. I remember posts about how he threw like a pitcher and needed that “coached” out of him, for example. Unfortunately, a pick that high carries high expectations, and many of us are simply not patient enough. We have seen QBs like Tom Brady and now Dak Prescott step in and do well almost immediately, and many of us are frustrated and tired of waiting for “the one”. Winston would have benefited from waiting a year or two behind a competent veteran QB, much like the situation that helped Aaron Rodgers become a future Hall of Famer. Still, this is the situation, and the Bucs organization and fans will have to make the best of it. He is the QB for now, and we have to support him. My request to the Bucs organization: please don’t start recycling more Jaguars coaches, such as the recently unemployed QB guru Greg Olson (who actually helped Josh Freeman developed until he didn’t) or the future unemployed Gus Bradley.
November 1st, 2016 at 4:59 pm
Weapons folks he needs weapons that scare people. Mike Evans good could be great, but isn’t a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. he doesn’t take the top off a defense. We NEED that guy ! This would cause the Defense to back up making room for TE plays and runs. with the skill players on the roster the team is mostly one dimensional. Maybe running out of the shotgun or pistol more would also make the defense move differently and he could play off that more.
November 1st, 2016 at 5:00 pm
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Its funny we were condemning lovie for his bringing in his ex chicago players but all of koetters rehashed players are from atl and jacksonville…lol
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November 1st, 2016 at 5:07 pm
True! You will never hear him say anything untoward about anyone in the locker room. So he will never say a coach is messing him up or not getting the job done.
November 1st, 2016 at 5:07 pm
I’ve watched or listened to all games the past couple of years. Not that anyone here cares what I think, but there were 4 major blunders in Sundays loss.
1) Pinning the Raiders on the 1/2 yard line, Smith should have brought the house. What does he do? He rushes 3… result: torched.
2) DK Gave up just before half-time and went to the locker room with 3 time-outs and it wasn’t like there was no production on the 2 runs they made in the final 1:30… result: team saw that he did not have confidence in the O
3) Aguyo’s miss… need I say more?… result: Deflated the entire team. (as Dave Moore pointed out)
4) Jude’s holding call… result: Bucs Lose
Yes, Jameis could have done better. Yes, the D-Line could have played better. And, yes, the coaching (O and D) was pretty blasted poor.
Takeaways-
Blitzing seemed to be working better than leaving it to the CB’s; I’d like to see more, especially if they are in position to make a big play.
What DK showed as an aggressive OC last year seems to have been lost this year. Where’s the cut-throat instinct we saw last season? DK needs to keep his foot on the gas, our D is NOT good enough to consistently close out a game. I’ve said all year that he needs to save that grind-it-out crap for the end of the halves and when they have a 4 score lead.
Aguyo… I recently went to Costco to buy a 5 gallon bucket of Maalox. (thinking I should have bought 2)
Jude. Not just Jude, the whole team; like DK said a few weeks ago, gotta stop the ill-timed penalties. Yay for the improvement over last couple of seasons but stop shooting foot.
November 1st, 2016 at 5:14 pm
Kobe VH3 has been lights out for us up until last week. He has shut down a lot of good receivers including Julio and Kelvin Benjamin. Don’t try to say he can’t be a #1 7 games into his nfl career.
November 1st, 2016 at 5:23 pm
@SOEbuc…I agree…he has played great beside sunday…even then he made a few plays and competed….he’s a rookie…he’ll get better
@kobe….your right….who will win…the old version of the falcons or the dan Quinn version of the falcons….
dirk and smitty cant let oak beat us back to back weeks….they must have this team prepared….but some will say,”this is what I expected on a short week”….GO BUCS!!!!
November 1st, 2016 at 5:26 pm
if bucs had better receivers ,Mr Winston would overthrow them too… Almost ALL of the nfl said M.M. was a better qb but bucs wanted a local guy…Maybe next year !
November 1st, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Pablo been too quiet lately. Hope you pumped a lot of gas.
November 1st, 2016 at 6:35 pm
@AtlBucsFanDan,
So spot on! Only part I don’t completely agree with is Roberto missing the kick, because we made the 2 point conversion on the next TD drive, which if anything, should have boosted morale and confidence even more than the miss may have deflated it.
Otherwise I agree completely. I could not believe we didn’t blitz when OAK started on their half yard line. We rushed 3…. Couldn’t get there with 4, so let’s only rush 3… SMDH.
November 1st, 2016 at 6:40 pm
Ben, I think the NFL was split on the two, plus that ship sailed.
November 1st, 2016 at 6:43 pm
Let’s not forget that the Bucs were a favorite, albeit a one point favorite–at home, against a team winning more than 70% of its games. When was the last time that happened?
Jameis came out and made a number of inch perfect passes, several on third down, during his early run. Completions are a function of how open the receiver is, how well thrown the ball is, how well the receiver catches it. How many times did a receiver get both hands on the ball and not catch it, 5, 6 or 7 times out of the 16 in-completions? I counted Evans with at least 3 certified drops.
Still the game is over and we win if Hey-Jude doesn’t hold miles away from the play. We’re 95% to win if Evans catches the third down throw (which he was dropping before he got targeted) or if the refs call the obvious shot to the head on a defenseless receiver. We probably win and certainly get at least a draw if the defense stops the all or nothing 4th down play at the end.
There’s still a significant probability that we can win the division with an 8-8 or 9-7 record. The team is not that bad. If we’d gone out and gotten another good target, we’d probably be over 30% to make the playoffs. A guy that’s one step faster than what we have would have about 8 TDs plays of 50 yards because JW3’s only missing the current bunch by half a step. Chances were his best targets at Florida State catch all those one step overthrows, his high school targets catch half of them.
Bottom line, I hate to see the leadership write the season off.
November 1st, 2016 at 6:57 pm
How about this? Maybe JW is just not that good. At this point, the names, Bortles, Tannyhill and Sanchez come to mind. We are fast approaching a time, about year from now, when people will wake up and realize that drafting Winston set this franchise back 5 years. I said it at the time, go back and look at my posts.
November 1st, 2016 at 7:23 pm
My eyes tell me that the Buccs are playing a harder schedule and still have many holes on offense, just as a they do defense…..
November 1st, 2016 at 7:43 pm
When Jameis is in uptempo, when he can create, he is better. I know that can’t always be the case, but how often do you see Aaron Rogers just sit in the pocket and let it go. Coaches put players in the best way to succeed.
November 1st, 2016 at 8:05 pm
@Unbelievable
I wasn’t going to list that one (Aguyao) because the scoreboard was unaffected with the 2PC, I only put it in because of the commentary by Dave Moore (could only listen to this game).
I will note, however, that the entire momentum seemed to change when they had them backed up and rushed only 3 and got torched. I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard Gene say they were only rushing 3. I was like, YOU HAD THEM!
This next game (it always seems to be THIS NEXT game) will be a huge test for gauging their mentality. The last 3 games against the birds have shown that they can beat them, but will they? I posted earlier that if they lay a deuce on this one, it may very well be 12/11 before we see a chance for a win again. The Bears looked great last night, the Chefs aren’t as bad as we thought, the Seagulls are always tough and Sandy Legos were able to beat ATL…
A 5 win season would definitely be crushing to all of us but given how they managed to give away games to the Rams and Raiders and were basically shut out against the Cards and Ponies, I would not be shocked. After all, I have been a Bucs fan for over 20 years.
November 1st, 2016 at 8:23 pm
Wait for it….
Wait for it….
Maybe we should bring in Shawn King as the QB coach. #Boom #MindBlown
November 1st, 2016 at 8:37 pm
I really think the issues is the team surrounding Jameis. He has no one besides Evans that can get open. If Evans is covered then the whole play is kaput. I’m going to have to watch closer, but it never seems like Jameis has an outlet for a busted play. No checkdown in the flat for at least a minimal gain. Of course, this is just a theory. But it also seems like the routes our recievers run are long developing. Very rarely does Jameis throw on a quick 3 step drop. And from what Monken said when he got hired, saying that their wasn’t much room in the offense for short yardage plays. It kinda adds up.
I think koetter needs to adjust his pass game to suit the team we have. We do not have enough weapons, and Winston does not have enough time to sit in the pocket and wait for these slow WRs and TEs to get down field.
It is a weird thing because I know koetter can run a successful offense. I have always dreamed to have an offense like Koetter ran in Atlanta. Now we have koetter and things just aren’t going as smoothly.
The other thing is, we all know Winston can make every throw, and he isn’t afraid to throw any throw. So why isn’t offense clicking more when you have those 2, a match made in heaven. What we have all dreamed for since we became bucs fans. I’m convinced it is the recievers we have (or better yet, don’t have).
November 1st, 2016 at 8:45 pm
I think there is still a mentality issue burning out of control. John Lynch addresses this (not directly) within the first few minutes of his Total Access show earlier this evening.
November 1st, 2016 at 8:51 pm
I honestly can’t believe the BS from some on this site. The guy had a mediocre game (and gave the team the lead with 3 min left) midway thru his 2nd year in the league and some of you act like he’s awful and has to go. Seriously??? This guy is already the best player on this team and he’s 22. However, he needs help. Other than Evans, does anyone see another potential all-pro on the offense? Maybe Martin if he’s healthy. Marpet?
This team is still at least a year away. If you were expecting something else you don’t know football. Simple as that.
November 1st, 2016 at 9:19 pm
Bucnut2 alls you would like to see is Winston fail. Just give it up or is all you want is failure upon Winston just to say you were right? Get a life dude your not a true Bucs fan. In fact I’m pretty sure you are just here to bash Winston. Nobody here cares to hear it. Go Winston! Go Bucs!!!
November 1st, 2016 at 9:35 pm
The fact Dirk Koetter is now head coach, promoted from offensive coordinator, and no longer working with Jameis full-time, is that possibly why Jameis has regressed?
I’ve been thinking about that lately. It also seems like Koetter has just lost his confidence in James (or James has lost confidence with his accuracy)
I think James and Aguyo may have the same problem, bad coaching. Trying to fix something that aint broke. James has regressed big time.
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November 1st, 2016 at 10:44 pm
Should have drafted M M
November 1st, 2016 at 11:33 pm
M M is a joke. We are already a laughing stock, no need to pile on.
November 2nd, 2016 at 4:01 am
Let’s face it…Jameis Winston kinda sucks. He’s about as much a franchise QB as Vinny Testaverde was. Some promising moments and wow plays here and there, but way too inconsistent to be anything really special. Blame the staff if you like, but some of us see things a bit more clearly.
November 2nd, 2016 at 5:00 am
Only 1 weapon and no running game. How are we even debating what the issue is. Licht is setting him up for failure
November 2nd, 2016 at 7:00 am
[…] Joe to wondering again what he thought about yesterday: Last year, Koetter worked full-time with Jameis as the offensive coordinator. This year, […]
November 2nd, 2016 at 2:30 pm
Jameis is not bad as Josh Freeman, joshs passes were way over and not accurate. The coaches need to be accountable just as the players they re the ones who pick the plays to run and place people in their schemes to run. So far that hasn’t paid off for them and they know it. The’re using the jameis card to cover their mistakes. They need better receiver Corps. They let Austin Seferian Jenkins go early which leaves Mike evans being the only reliable target but yet he gets double teamed every game. These WRS don’t run their routes through I see them just give up on throws like wth they could’ve caught that you never know.
November 2nd, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Maybe Licht will use the 7th rounder on a kicker.