Jameis Watch: “Super Wrong”
February 6th, 2015
Keyshawn Johnson lashes out
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
When former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik reiterated he would take Marcus Mariota over Jameis Winston if he were still running the Bucs, of course it made waves. Lots of them. Twitter was alive with reaction.
One came from former Bucs wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson who, like his former teammates Derrick Brooks, Booger McFarland and Shaun King, joined the Jameis Winston alliance begging Bucs general manager Jason Licht to do the right thing and call Winston’s name on the night of April 30.
In short, Johnson said Dominik may be working for the four-letter for life unless he recants his pledge for Mariota.
@NFLSTROUD @MarkdominikESPN I love mark but he is super wrong ! Don’t do it mark you’ll be working with me forever with that move
— Keyshawn Johnson (@Thromedamnball) February 5, 2015
This is very interesting to Joe. Keyshawn, of course, lives in Los Angeles and is a USC-lover through and through, his alma mater. Given that Keyshawn plays close attention to PAC-12 games, he may have seen more of Mariota than most people.
Joe puts a lot of stock in that.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
@ Joe
Taking QB advice from Keyshon Johnson? Really? You must be really hurting for material or got flustered by what your pal Dominic said. Come on Joe, you’re better than that
February 6th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
Everyone’s got an opinion, but no one KNOWS anything – and it’ll be three or four years before it’s 100% sorted out regardless of how the draft goes down.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Nah. He’s not the GM now; does NOT matter…even if he changes his mind. nonfactor, but good smokescreen for the Bucs.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I see a common theme among those who are for winston and those who are against him.
i’ll let you guys guess that one
February 6th, 2015 at 5:16 pm
@ Robert 9
Yep, it’s there
February 6th, 2015 at 5:16 pm
I wouldn’t say Keyshawn is a high character guy, I am sure he doesn’t care about class or the maturity of a player. Either that or the same color might be his reasoning. And as for King, I don’t think I have heard him say many positives of white rookie QB’s.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:18 pm
Good point Robert
February 6th, 2015 at 5:19 pm
I’m in favor of drafting Winston, and even I have to say you’re grasping at straws here, Joe. Who cares what either of them thinks? Dominik isn’t here for a reason, and Keyshawn is hardly an accomplished talent evaluator himself. Can we just get to the draft already?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
“Extremely bright kid. Extremely football smart kid. Is able to make checks and audibles at the line of scrimmage and has a big time arm,” Johnson said of Winston. “But there’s a big time adjustment regardless of who you are coming in.”
Brad Johnson – White guy.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:21 pm
Joe puts a lot of stock in anyone’s opinion who say Jameis is good and Mariota bad (and obviously no stock in anyone who thinks the opposite)
It’s fun to make stuff up, Joe imagines, but just yesterday Joe shared Pat Kirwan’s mock draft that put Mariota at No. 1 to the Bucs.–Joe
February 6th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo wants TBBF to stop asking “It’s (time) do you know where your future francise QB is?. Pablo gets confused because if it’s Winston….its East coast time…..but if it’s Mariota….it could be West Coast time (3hrs earlier) or Hawaii time (6hrs earlier)……Not Pablo doesn’t know if the player is eating dinner or perhaps out bar-hopping”
February 6th, 2015 at 5:22 pm
J”ameis Winston is entering the NFL Draft, man. If you take the D out of draft, you get raft. And he’s going to float on up to the top pic”
Jon Gruden – White guy
February 6th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
well koetter is the OC and licht is the GM. pretty good odds we roll with mariota or Glennon or mariota backing up glennon to start the season.
I still say trade back, start glennon, get hoyer or matt moore to back up glennon and use the picks for the trenches and the extra 1st rounder next year for a QB if we need to. not saying glennon is the next manning, just that if you give him 3 second he will get the ball out.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Keyshawn likes players that yell at their coaches on the sideline…….
February 6th, 2015 at 5:23 pm
Anyone have any film on Marriota being able to throw down the field in tight coverage?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
“Brad Johnson – White guy.”
Also: Brad Johnson – Seminole.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
@87. Brad johnson is a very high character guy, so much so that i could see him not even mentioning the character issues. and outside of jfro’s meltdown on MNF, when has gruden not loved every QB?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
NFLPA: Mariota Beats Jameis In Marketability
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=131207#more-131207
February 6th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
And with that post by Robert 9, I will ask Joe to finally add a “thumbs down” feature so we can all mock idiotic posts they way they should be
February 6th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
“I still say trade back, start glennon, get hoyer or matt moore to back up glennon and use the picks for the trenches and the extra 1st rounder next year for a QB if we need to. not saying glennon is the next manning, just that if you give him 3 second he will get the ball out.”
Trading back is great and all, but unless some team desperately wants to move up, you’re not going to get good value by moving back. If it becomes a buyer’s market and you’re the seller, great. If not, forget it.
As for Hoyer… why would you want a guy that the BROWNS don’t even think is worth keeping?
It’s time to stop digging around in the scrap heap for a solution at quarterback, pick your blue-chip prospect, take him first overall, and cross your fingers.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
with my method, if lovie flops and we pick a QB next year we still built the team and have a couple 1st round picks.
with the pick winston method, if he flops we are left with a new HC, a hell of a lot less depth and less draft picks.
common sense some would say
February 6th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
Jameis Watch: “Through The Wringer”
The video in this article hardly paints the picture of Joe only puts up good things about Winston and bad about Mariota.
smh.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
true rob….if there is no great deal to be made, you gotta roll the dice and take a QB
February 6th, 2015 at 5:30 pm
That’s why DOMINIK is with ESPN now
February 6th, 2015 at 5:32 pm
87ForJameisNOMariota……….
Brad Johnson – White guy
Its very sad that this is why some Don’t want JW here! I called this on a previous post and it was questioned by another poster but its clearly obvious now with posters like:
Robert 9
Mr. Patrick
Yungry
al121976
February 6th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
The thing is it STILL doesn’t matter what YOU or I want them to do or what you would do.
How many calls from the Bucs ticket office do you guys get in a month? I get about 2 of them per month.
If they don’t take a QB with this pick. People are going to hang up the phone on them. However if they do take one, people will call them instead of the other way around. Trade down and all they will need is one person to answer phones at the ticket office.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:35 pm
@87
Don’t forget Dilfer.
Wait, nevermind. Their ears has been closed for a long, long time. You could post any and every white and polynesian football expert’s opinion positive on Winston, and they would ignore.
That’s why April 30 will be so GD AWESOME.
RUB. IT. IN.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
Its very sad that this is why some Don’t want JW here! I called this on a previous post and it was questioned by another poster but its clearly obvious now with posters like:
Robert 9
Mr. Patrick
Yungry
al121976
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You got it twisted. I simply pointed out the obvious. but to spell it out for you. It boils down to do you believe a black man raped a white woman. Obviously black athletes have their choice of women, so their view would be very slanted one way. I typical man only sees the fact that the athlete raped a woman. whether it’s him or raplesburger. either one, i think their trash. so you have the haters, then you have a lot more supporters who are either FSU or people who would lean towards his side of the story, which are mostly black…as is most of the NFL.
if anything it’s the opposite of what you think.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:44 pm
Yeah ODB….I can drop down countless numbers of white guys saying good things about the kid, but you’re right they’ll just dismiss it.
When Mariota slides down the draft they might get it by then. Williams is going to the Titans not the Bucs.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
Going to love watching all of you quarterback evaluators backpedal when Jameis Winston is a perennial pro-bowler. In the last 20 years, the only 2 quarterbacks who looked better coming out of college were Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck, and it wasn’t by that much. But please, draft the 215 pound, injury prone, running quarterback who’s never shown the ability to read a defense. If Winston was white and Mariota was black, there’d be no discussion.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:46 pm
“Robert 9 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
or people who would lean towards his side of the story, which are mostly black…”
LOL. Yeah, no reason to question your viewpoint whatsoever.
Let me guess, I bet I could find you on here comparing Winston to Vince Young too.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
LOL
Gruden also loves and gushed over Josh Freeeman
February 6th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Mr. Patrick….perhaps you want me to find more…
February 6th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
@87forjameis Bra Johnson was also Florida State quarterback, who else do you think he’s gonna suggest us picking lol
February 6th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
ODB…nope he’s the next Vick and Jamarcus Russell dontcha know.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
“Robert 9 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:41 pm
It boils down to do you believe a black man raped a white woman.”
No, YOU have it twisted. It comes down to if you believe this specific student, raped another student. One male, one female.
YOU are the one who sees it as a black guy raping a white girl. Well, not JUST you.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
@ 87
And JaMarcus Russell and Blaine Gabbert lol
February 6th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Best prospect since Andrew luck and Peyton Manning!?!? GTF outta here, Winston threw 17 ints last year playing against average defenses. Hardly a “cant miss prospect”.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
I was FINDING white guys…I can find plenty more if you like. Since Brad went to FSU and Gruden never met a QB he didn’t like.
I don’t think I need to find them, because that’s not the point anyways.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:51 pm
Robert 9 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I see a common theme among those who are for winston and those who are against him.
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Sure – me too. Those that are truly “against” Winston haven’t done their own homework about the kid nor watched enough FSU games over the last 2 years to see with their own eyes that Winston is one of the best QB prospects to come out in many years. They also seem to be basing their irrational dislike for Jameis (which borders on hatred in a # of cases) on little more than their misinformed perceptions (which are fueled by sensationalistic media stories that try to paint Winston as a rapist and a general bad seed). Neither of which is true.
Conversely, Those that are truly “for” the Bucs drafting Winston HAVE done their own homework – they have watched more than 2 or 3 games that Jameis played in College and have seen with their own eyes what a special talent this kid possesses as a QB. They have also likely read the entire report/conclusion (or significant portions of it) released by the retired FL Supreme Court justice who presided over Winston’s school conduct hearing – where all the known facts were spelled out and re-hashed in the rape accusation case. Those known and provable facts strongly refute the accusers (multiple and varying) version(s) of what happened and largely support Winston’s account of what happened that night. Which is exactly why neither the police, the courts nor the school took any action whatsoever against Winston.
Once the “rape” accusation is off the table – the remaining “character concerns” that anti-Winstonites are so fond of listing and pointing to – all add up to nothing more than a few minor incidences that can easily be attributable to a young man being a young man who made a few minor questionable decisions while in College. Many who rake Winston over the coals for these “incidences” have done much worse than what Jameis did when they were younger but are not willing to admit that as it would not fit into their narrative that Jameis is trouble with a capitol “T”.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
“Jameis Winston is the 2nd-best quarterback prospect of the past 10 years”
Todd McShay
February 6th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
I think Robert9, Mr.Patrick and TheKevin should see if they could get a group discount on vasectomies.
They should not be allowed to reproduce.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Jaboo? Is that some kind of food or something, like Jaboo Chicken or Jaboo Sushi or something?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Oh yeah,
Add SuperSam to that list.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
“Dave Pear Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
I think Robert9, Mr.Patrick and TheKevin should see if they could get a group discount on vasectomies.
They should not be allowed to reproduce.”
And nybucsfan and Barry in there, and I will PAY FOR IT.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
Is Jameis going to have his vision corrected….is there a reason FSU did not correct it…is it possible is vision will be a problem going forward….is he hiding something ?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
with my method, if lovie flops and we pick a QB next year we still built the team and have a couple 1st round picks.
with the pick winston method, if he flops we are left with a new HC, a hell of a lot less depth and less draft picks.
common sense some would say
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So according to you we should conduct our draft under the worst case scenario? Lol.
I just love listening to craziness.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
ok love. if only life were that simple.
I’m the white guy. I am the racist. got it.
this is what America has come too. simplify things to the point of calling the white guy the racist.
The race card, where can I get me one of those?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
I knew I was missing some more.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
What you fellas seem to be missing is that Jason Licht has said several times in press conference’s, is that they want FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO EAT DRINK AND SLEEP FOOTBALL! Winston loves BASEBALL! Hes said it himself several times, check his Instgram page for pete’s sakes! His profile pic is him in a BASEBALL uniform!! NOT AN FSU FOOTBALL UNIFORM, AND FSU BASEBALL UNIFORM. HELLO!?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
If we are going to pull the race cards out, I am black myself and I personally want the Bucs to draft Mariota. I am not a Winston hater and pulled for him and the seminoles (pull for all of the College teams in Florida) but when it came down to the end of the season and we had the #1 pick I started looking at all the little things out there for both guys. I searched high and low for little things, Winston I don’t think is a bad guy I see plenty of pictures and videos of him mentoring children, reading to children and speaking about his relationship with God. Mariota there is not much as he doesn’t have any social media accounts nor is he out much in public. I know Winston is your prototypical QB, size, strength, throws, above average athlete, but it’s just some of things he does off the field that bother me. I have found quite a few videos and instagrams that I look at and it just makes me wonder if he does truly lack common sense. While I am not one of the ones on here saying he will be a bust, or a rapist ( only he,her,God and his two teammates know the truth) or a thief, I just prefer Mariota or to a lesser degree Leonard Williams ( I know I know we need a QB). Mariota does need work, he does need to bulk up, he needs to study the game and while others say he doesn’t have that fire in his belly, I honestly think he is a great leader, many of his teammates have said while he may not scream at you, he is of the character that you play your heart out because you don’t want to disappoint the guy. I think he has the tools to be a weapon and keep defenses on the their heels because he has the speed and the smarts to pickup yardage and run out of bounds or slide. Overall I will be happy we finally get a franchise quarterback regardless of what color he is and if it is Winston I will defend him when other fans or the media talk smack about our QB but I would love to have Mariota as the face of our franchise.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
Me-shawn, a bad locker room guy, bad team-mate, just ask Ian Beckles.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
“Mr. Patrick Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:53 pm
Jaboo? Is that some kind of food or something, like Jaboo Chicken or Jaboo Sushi or something?”
Hey Archie Bunker, it’s his nickname.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:57 pm
“From purely on the field, the grade for Jameis Winston is just behind Andrew Luck’s in the last ten years and there is nobody else in between,” said McShay.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
I really don’t care at this point. Everybody is on this side or that side but if we get either one I’ll be happy. I’m not going to pretend to be a good enough talent evaluator to make this pick, you guys do that enough already.
And also, that Jon Gruden tweet is false lol.
February 6th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
@ pickgrin.
so now this is a concerted effort by the media to glorify his character flaws?
February 6th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
Fake*
February 6th, 2015 at 6:00 pm
SuperSam Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
“What you fellas seem to be missing is that Jason Licht has said several times in press conference’s, is that they want FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO EAT DRINK AND SLEEP FOOTBALL! Winston loves BASEBALL!”
WRONG! “Jameis Winston says he loves both sports, but football is his real passion.”
February 6th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
Yea and Todd McShay also wrote this about Johnny Rehab last year. “We’ve had more than one person in the league tell us that Manziel is believed to be the No. 1 player on the Cowboys’ board,” McShay wrote, “and it wouldn’t surprise us if they took him here if he’s still available.” Howd that work out McShay? hahahaha
February 6th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
Here they go ODB…here they go. The make stuff artists are out today and it’s still early.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:01 pm
“SuperSam Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:55 pm
What you fellas seem to be missing is that Jason Licht has said several times in press conference’s, is that they want FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO EAT DRINK AND SLEEP FOOTBALL! Winston loves BASEBALL! Hes said it himself several times, check his Instgram page for pete’s sakes! His profile pic is him in a BASEBALL uniform!! NOT AN FSU FOOTBALL UNIFORM, AND FSU BASEBALL UNIFORM. HELLO!?”
Antonor Winston dug up the notebook a while back because he knew people wouldn’t believe. Even in Hueytown, the small Birmingham, Ala., suburb where he and his wife, Loretta, live, there are plenty of non-believers.
The notebook is tattered and faded, but the words are still clear. The pages are filled with carefully printed instructions written by — as the inscription at the top of the first page reads — Jameis Winston, Hueytown Middle School.
Page 1 begins with a list of the characteristics a good quarterback should possess: leadership, dedication, desire, mental toughness, character, confidence. It concludes with a detailed schematic breakdown of how to properly attack a Cover 2 defense.
Jameis Winston was 12 years old when he wrote it.
In a cover 4, the outside linebackers are the key. The best routes are go route and eagle.
In man coverage, the defense’s job is to put pressure on the offense. The best routes are trail, mesh, shallow, smash.
In a cover 3, bend, don’t break. The best routes are curl-flat, smash, vertical.”
He did that at 12 years old.
Yeah, he totally likes baseball more.
Because. Pictures.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
I think I believe McShay’s opinion over anyone on this site.
Manziel’s career is still young…so the jury’s still out.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:02 pm
Why must stupid people ruin things?
February 6th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
McShay never liked the Bucs…he is playing a cruel joke on the franchise
February 6th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
Just remember that in 2 months when 85% of the analysts are saying the Bucs are taking Winston….it’s going to happen and most of you will be nowhere to be found.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
Robert 9 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:59 pm
@ pickgrin.
so now this is a concerted effort by the media to glorify his character flaws?
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There certainly was a concerted effort by the NY Times to paint him as a verified rapist. – FAIL
February 6th, 2015 at 6:04 pm
McShay is terrible, just like Kiper. They all bat under .400 in terms of who they get right. Their job is to draw eyeballs and page views, not be correct. No one should be basing anything of their decidedly un-expert opinion. McShay and Kiper both thought JaMarcus was potentially elite. Who cares what they think?
February 6th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
@87
I posted the article text about the notebook he had at 12 years old, breaking down defenses, but it’s under moderation.
But, he clearly like baseball. BECAUSE. PICTURES.
Seriously have to laugh at the straws being grasped at…
February 6th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
manziel has zero common sense. winston falls into that category as well. you either have it or you don’t.
They both let fame get to them way to early.
name some other players, who had the extent of issues they have had that have come back to be great. and don’t give me these guys that smoked some weed or something. manziel and winston have done some things that make them look like the male version of lindsay lohan. how’s that turn out?
February 6th, 2015 at 6:08 pm
I think the last majority of this site was in agreement about anything was to tank that last game against the aints. We all got along then, that day seemed so long ago.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
Winston will settle down once he has a little spending money in his pocket….
February 6th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
McShay also had this to say about Cam Newton VS Blaine Gabbert “Gabbert and Newton are very different players. Gabbert is more polished. Newton has rare overall physical tools, but there’s also more boom or bust potential there with him,” McShay said. McShay was also asked to compare Gabbert and Newton to the two Super Bowl quarterbacks, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger. That’s why you’re going to see some stories out there that suggest McShay compares Gabbert to Rodgers. WOW boy was he wrong, it eerily sounds a lot like Winston VS Mariota “Winston is more polished” “Mariota is more rare physical tools” hmmmm lets see here who would I rather have?? The more “POLISHED” Gabbert? Or the rare physical gifted Newton? Im taking Newton/Mariota all day and twice on sundays. BOOM.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
Alleged rape, which he wasn’t convicted or even close to, doesnt put Winston into Lohans or Manziels category. standing on a table yelling? Hardly. taking a ketchup cups worth of coke? C’mon. Stop exaggerating, your making yourself look like an idiot.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
He raped a white girl? Oh damn. Good thing its not 1963 or he’d be lynched by now. Or 1983 for that matter. In 2015 they just assinate your character but at least you still breathing.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:12 pm
So, if black analysts and former players like him it’s because he’s black. If white guys do, they suck.
Don’t get me wrong, none of this matters. Not them, not us, not Los Joses, all that matters is what the Glazers, and the front office thinks.
I personally think they will take Winston number one. Every one of you has your opinions and they count just as much (zero).
February 6th, 2015 at 6:15 pm
Oh my bad. I forget he yelled in the heat of the moment when his team was losing during the only loss of his collegiate career. What a monster! Yup definately Manziel/Lohan comparison there. Lol
I can’t do anything but laugh at the insanity people will stoop to, to try to convince others to believe the same stupidity they do.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Just “Another” Typical Article for “JoeWinstonFan.com
February 6th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
I have to disagree with you Love and Warrick Dunn,
Yesterday WS99 announced that Jameis Winston would be our pick at #1.
I think that ends all debates!
Welcome to Tampa Mr. Winston!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
Hmmm…I’m not sure Robert9 is kidding.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
McShay comparing Gabbert to Rodgers should be all you need to know about his opinion. If he thinks Jameis is great, he’s guaranteed to be Ryan Leaf pt. 2
February 6th, 2015 at 6:18 pm
@ Robert9 and Patrick for once again agreeing with stupidity and ignorance and all you other idiots that are writing stupidity.
You racist pricks. I am tired of seeing you write such BS on this page as if a black person can’t have an opinion without color being a factor. Here are some white people who thinks Winston is better.
Mcshay, Rick stroud, Ira Kaufman, Kiper, The QB Guru that was on with the big dog on radio row during the super bowl, Scott Reynolds (you may know who he is), Lance Zierlein nfl.com draft analyst, Rob Rang, Peter Schrager, Dan Brugler, Daniel Jeremiah, Trent Dilfer just to name a few.
Why do these white writers/ex athletes etc for big time websites pick Winston? I believe because they studied film and from their research they have determined that Winston is better. That’s just how the black opinions have been made. You two are a complete waste of space on this earth for your constant ignorant racist views.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Really Joe, Keyshawn Johnson? That’s like asking Warren Sapp’s advise on how to have a successful marriage.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
@Dave Pear
April 30th, on this site, will be like the funniest shiz ever. In my best Bart Scott: Can’t wait!!!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:20 pm
Any attempt at linking Winston to Manzeil just goes to show the ignorance of the one trying to do so.
Manzeil loves to party and hang out with partying celebrities like a rock star and is an alcoholic at the ripe old age of 22. This penchant for substance abuse is the backdrop for the majority of JF’s many “issues”.
Winston has never been accused or been linked to anything other than occasional, responsible drinking and there is not even the slightest inkling nor whisper that he takes or uses illegal drugs.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
And Tiny Tim unloads!!!
HA. Ok, it’s beer and buds time.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
Theres no way Lovie puts what could possilbly be his last chance at being a head coach in the NFL in the hands of Jameis Winston. NO CHANCE, Lovie has said several times that he can win a championship with a great defense a good special teams/running game and a quarterback who don’t turn the ball over. Mariota stats in college 105/14. Jameis’s stats 65/28. Almost double the ints in far less games. No thank you.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:25 pm
@Tiny Tim,
Preach it brother!
I honestly didn’t think that racism was still that prevalent.
I feel like I have been living in a cave.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:26 pm
WS99 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 6:11 pm
He raped a white girl? Oh damn. Good thing its not 1963 or he’d be lynched by now. Or 1983 for that matter. In 2015 they just assinate your character but at least you still breathing.
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everyone stop typing…ws99 just won post of the day!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Dave Pear Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
I have to disagree with you Love and Warrick Dunn,
Yesterday WS99 announced that Jameis Winston would be our pick at #1.
I think that ends all debates!
Welcome to Tampa Mr. Winston!
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Proof of at least one intelligent poster on here. YOU MY BOY DAVE PEAR!!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Joes…should create a page of permanent record where we can enter our choice Jameis or Marcus….
February 6th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
who was it that spoke for all white people? was that robert9?
February 6th, 2015 at 6:29 pm
87
I think you can add Bryan Gumbell to your list. HA!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:30 pm
Mariota.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
WS99,
No, you’re the man!
Hell, you already won Post Of The Day!!
February 6th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
@ Love
Shucks, I’m disappointed. It was making me hungry, lol
February 6th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
Mariotta is now dead in the water now. No “real fan” will want him now bc not only did The Dom endorse him but so did OBAMA. Nuff said!!! Lmao
February 6th, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Dave Pear – you the real mvp
February 6th, 2015 at 6:35 pm
Mariota
February 6th, 2015 at 6:40 pm
Race? Really?!
Don’t feed the trolls on crap like this.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:50 pm
yep, cause there’s no racism in floida, nor elsewhere in these great states.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:50 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:54 pm
“Dave Pear Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
I think Robert9, Mr.Patrick and TheKevin should see if they could get a group discount on vasectomies.
They should not be allowed to reproduce.”
And nybucsfan and Barry in there, and I will PAY FOR IT.
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It’s too late, you’re already raising my children. #TheCreepyCrab
February 6th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
1. Draft Jamies Winston (with NFL coaching and Mike Evans he’ll be a star by mid-season)…
2. Fix the Offensive Line (it’s a train-wreck)…
3. Sure up the defense…
IF! these 3 things happen, I say yes we have a shot at a wildcard…
The days when Sapp, Brooks and the crew held teams to 13 points or less every week are long gone…The game has changed, the scale is tilted in the offenses favor…Offense is the name of the game guys and DE’s don’t throw TD passes…
February 6th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo is again disturbed by this black & white debate…..how ’bout brown” Pablo wants sex with all girls brown, white, black, yellow & red…..if there is any other color please let Pablo know….Pablo wants consensual relations and he wants it on tape…not to prove it was consensual….but to prove it happened”
February 6th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
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February 6th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
LMAO!!! All of the opinions and at the end of the day it only matters what the Bucs think. My interest in all of this will perk up on April 30th when Goodell makes the statement. With the 1st pick the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select ???
How’s that for a story headline.
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Freedom of speech being violated
February 6th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
An unidentified veteran NFL offensive coach told ESPN.com’s Mike Sando that the primary concerns surrounding Mariota’s games are generally overblown:
“
It is mostly a bunch of bull. What is interesting about Oregon is that they have most of the pro concepts in their pass offense. The easiest thing to teach is how to play football under center. The bottom line is, when Mariota gets the ball in his hands and drops from there, he has no problems. He is athletic and he is so in control of everything—on the sideline, on the field, how he handles himself. Plus, he is every bit as tall as Winston.
”
February 6th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
lol, yall done lost yalls minds.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
U forget lovies defense and special teams were during previous rules. No way does special teams work the same now as 2 years ago. And it is favored more towards offenses. So ur points are really based on nothing. Pick Winston
February 6th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
@Joe is violating my freedom of speech. No slander, no cuss words in my statement. Just a difference of opinion.
February 6th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
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February 6th, 2015 at 7:00 pm
@Barry,
So you are on Welfare?
Not surprising.
Am I paying for your computer too?
February 6th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
@supersam I Just read that one. But of course people are going to bash the article.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
A really great article
February 6th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
@SuperSam
Mariota it is……if we take a QB rather than trading down twice
February 6th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
@Mike and @Lurker are racist against all Hawaiians!
February 6th, 2015 at 7:14 pm
Agree, Mariota or trade down.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
watching Winston brings a few things to mind.
either their offensive line is all pro, or the defenses they were facing were as soft as the bucs. he had ALL day to throw the ball.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
yungry, hawaiianbuc is the man…so you r wrong
February 6th, 2015 at 7:19 pm
Cody Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
1. Draft Jamies Winston (with NFL coaching and Mike Evans he’ll be a star by mid-season)…
2. Fix the Offensive Line (it’s a train-wreck)…
3. Sure up the defense…
IF! these 3 things happen, I say yes we have a shot at a wildcard…
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1. Read point 2
2. Why do you have the more important aspect as the 2nd item on your list?
3. Shore…
But about the second point…if we draft Winston with the same line, he’s 95% likely bust. Aaron Rodgers could not succeed with that kind of line play. Remember when Tom Brady should have retired and the Garrapolo era needed to start after the Chiefs game?
That’s how big a good offensive line is. With the crap we have currently, it’s a much bigger issue than QB. Unless the QB can run for his life (and have exceptional accuracy doing so), drafting one with the line in it’s current shape is meaningless. Elite QBs can’t succeed behind such lines, a rookie is DOA.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:26 pm
My mom always told me, son when your having trouble deciding on girls who are both very attractive physically you have to look at whats inside. Same could be said when your picking a quarterback. Ill Marry Mariota.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:28 pm
ps i wouldn’t mind mariota if the bucs’ brass does their due diligence. i just prefer winston by a wide margin. but we strongly need a qb drafted #1, as we did last year.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
thing is that it is not the same between the 2 qb’s. winston is above mariota’s skill at qb, and it ain’t even close.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:30 pm
Bucs Nation says :
“As the draft process continues, this is something WE keep seeing: Winston coming out on top in most analysts’ minds, while Mariota drops.”
February 6th, 2015 at 7:31 pm
@SuperSam,
So your mom was talking to you about girls and you want to marry Mariota.
You are a very confused young man.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Mariota should and will ride the pine for the first couple of seasons and Winston won’t. That’s all you need to know about which QB is better.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:36 pm
SILENCE! I kill you!
February 6th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
1. Winston needs eye surgery
2. Interception machine(18)
3. 1-year wonder
4. Couldn’t beat Mariots head-to head
5. Loves baseball
6. Threw as many interceptions in 30 minutes of play as Marcus did ALL YEAR!
7. Regressed in every statistical category year 1 to year 2
8. Notice no off the field issues I brought up
Marcus only holds the best touchdown to interception ratio in college history and the NFL is taking more snaps from shot gun than ever now… Look it up and do your homework(Seattle, Denver, New England, Philly and more) I’ll support Winston 100% if chosen but prefer the upside
February 6th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Jameis Winston has both, a higher floor and ceiling than does Mariota.
Until Jameis is found guilty, he’s innocent, and the best QB prospect of the draft.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
as i posted in the other thread regarding our o-line:
there are more ways to fix the trenches than qb. you are rarely going to sign a great qb as a free agent nor trade for one. you definitely can for the olines and dlines. hell we signed/traded for 2 probowl olinemen.
we have already spent more money and picks on the lines than at qb. we got a backup as a starter at qb and a qb chosen third in a qb- poor draft class. this is the biggest hole. time to spend the #1 on a qb, preferably winston.
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we added plenty to our oline last year, including 2 probowlers from great teams with great qb’s. so these 2 suddenly forgot how to play?
it is well past time to pay attention to our biggest hole and weakest link…qb (and coaching?)
February 6th, 2015 at 7:39 pm
“I love baseball and football, but football is my real passion.” – Jameis Winston
February 6th, 2015 at 7:41 pm
“Marcus only holds the best touchdown to interception ratio in college history and the NFL is taking more snaps from shot gun than ever now… ”
Yet Mariota never called a play in the huddle and ran a gimmicky offense that kept defenses off balance.
Who cares what you people say?….It’s NOT what the scouts are saying. Mariota is going to drop like a rock in the draft. That’s what they are saying.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:43 pm
Agreed just get a quarterbac and most of us will be happy
February 6th, 2015 at 7:45 pm
Did you watch last year lurker? Yes, they can’t play anymore. Collins is garbage, EDS is mediocre (and much worse than Zuttah who we gave away), Mankins has been shot since the middle of last year and will only be worse this year of Belichick was ultimately proven right, Dotson is ok but not great (and should stay at RT). The line is also almost all at 30 years old, they are not spring chickens anymore. It’s an aging line with declining play, not good at all.
The line is the biggest hole whether people want to admit it or not. A rookie QB is a guaranteed bust without significant improvements to it. The line needs to be built with premium draft picks, not FA. FA has been such a disaster for us I can’t believe people actually want to go back into it again. Insanity, as we all know, is defined as what again?
February 6th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
Neither will become a top notch WB in the NFL. It’s a bad year for WB’s. Trade down and get blockers for Glennon. He is better than both which isn’t saying much. Ship is sink inking fast and little freeboard left.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:46 pm
QB haha AC
February 6th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
28 int in 2 years 🙁
February 6th, 2015 at 7:52 pm
It’s Friday night in the off-season……now, I’m OK if the Bucs eventually decide to choose Winston…..but I’ve just gotta be honest…..and you do too…..I’m feeling just a tad bit aprehensive about what Winston may or may not do…..not saying he ever will do any bad acts….just saying….I’ll get that uneasy feeling.
February 6th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
i’m just saying it is time to get our qb. funny how many were on board dropping our starters and getting these players. maybe the coaching is bad or they don’t care about the qb.
“Insanity, as we all know, is defined as what again?”
exactly. we have spent money and picks on both lines. it is time to spend the #1 on a qb. where did we get with paul gruber for all those years?
February 6th, 2015 at 7:54 pm
Yungry Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
1. Winston needs eye surgery
2. Interception machine(18)
3. 1-year wonder
4. Couldn’t beat Mariots head-to head
5. Loves baseball
6. Threw as many interceptions in 30 minutes of play as Marcus did ALL YEAR!
7. Regressed in every statistical category year 1 to year 2
8. Notice no off the field issues I brought up
Marcus only holds the best touchdown to interception ratio in college history and the NFL is taking more snaps from shot gun than ever now… Look it up and do your homework(Seattle, Denver, New England, Philly and more) I’ll support Winston 100% if chosen but prefer the upside
February 6th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
So now Mariota’s problems are over blown but Winston is without a doubt guilty though he’s never been convicted. Spin on spinners. Lol
February 6th, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Through various trades, all 3 could be on the roster.
Nick Foles (2015) $815,880
• Base Salary- $660,000
• Prorated Bonus – $135,880
• Projected Dead Money – $135,880
• Projected Cap Gains/ Loss – $680,000
Kirk Cousins (2015) $778,172
• Base Salary- $660,000
• Prorated Bonus – $118,172
• Projected Dead Money – $118,172
• Projected Cap Gains/ Loss – $660,000
Chase Daniel (2015) $4,800,000
• Base Salary-$3,750,000
• Prorated Bonus – $1,000,000
• Projected Dead Money – $1,000,000
• Projected Cap Gains/ Loss – $3,800,000
Note:
-Washington reportedly was asking for a 4th round pick for Cousins.
-Chase Daniels is expected to be released
February 6th, 2015 at 8:00 pm
@ 87
Yet Mariota never called a play in the huddle and ran a gimmicky offense that kept defenses off balance.
-calling plays in the offensive coordinator’s job not the quarterback unless you are Peyton. He did however make audibles and the offense he ran is becoming the norm and trend now… Do you see how many snaps are from shotgun now? I haven’t heard anyone knock one of Marcus’ flaws only the sysytem he was in which he had no control over
February 6th, 2015 at 8:00 pm
mariota still hurt and might not go to combine 🙁
damn, is that ohio state linebacker coming out? there are way bigger, faster, meaner linebackers in the nfl than tackled mariota.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Paul Gruber was a terrific lineman. He wasn’t a bad pick at all and we could badly use 4 Grubers on this line right now. Spending money on the line is irrelevant because the results have been horrific. Do you think these high prices busts are just now gonna turn it around? Highly, highly unlikely.
Did you know if we draft a QB at #1 we’ll have spent more first round picks on QBs (3) than OLine (2) in the last 25 years? Good teams will draft an OLineman in the first round every 3 or 4 years just cause. We draft one every 12 years. Is it any wonder why we consistently have mediocre to poor lines? We’ve drafted more receivers and running backs in the first round in the last 10 years than lineman. H
aving a great line is how you win consistently unless you have Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck, and no matter how much the Jameis nut riders won’t admit it, there is no one close to that in this draft.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
aving a great line is how you win consistently unless you have Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck, and no matter how much the Jameis nut riders won’t admit it, there is no one close to that in this draft.
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That is your opinion that you are entitled to but that is not fact. Some feel Jameis is just a tiny notch below Luck. I feel he is absolutely worth #1 Overall and many others do either. Thats not confuse opinion and fact.
1 could also make the argument that retaining the same O-Line coach in Warhop has doomed the entire O-Line anyways so spending #1 on the O-Line is a waster pick. See no matter how you slice it, any opinion can be spun to suit there argument.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Lets not confuse opinion and fact*
February 6th, 2015 at 8:17 pm
Joe Montana had a 1:1 int/td ratio in college…. I heard a wise QB say that you need to throw INT’s to learn what you can and can’t get away with. I think that was Peyton Manning after he threw 28int’s his rookie year.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:32 pm
draft the qb this year, then use next year’s #1 on oline. though we still have 2 probowlers on the line that forgot how to play in one year…something’s fishy here.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:34 pm
I think Mike Glennon deserves going into an entire offseason as the starter with the new coaches in place. The line sucked, the coaching sucked, the system sucked, lovie was tanking. The only thing that would hurt worse than drafting a qb and it not working out would be drafting a qb, it not working out and Mike Glennon winning a championship on another team.
I’m not saying don’t draft a QB…draft one!!! But I am saying regardless of which one we draft….let Glennon get the year to show what he can do under Koetters coaching. I would say it is the best thing for both the 2015 season and seasons after.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:40 pm
I really do not care who you put back there. They are gonna get creamed. Case in points:
Steve Young HOFer
1986 TB QBR. 65.5
1987 SF QBR 120.80
Josh McCown Journeyman
2013 CHI 109.0
2014 TB 70.6
Trade down, shore up the Oline or pick up the possible new #94!
February 6th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
…and if you have to get BP14 later.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:50 pm
Lurker
That guy..Bosa that hit Mariota is projected #1 or 2 for next year. Also, top QBs don’t typically throw at the Combine. That is what pro days are for.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
In TB Land, there really is no such thing as pro style…you do not have the luxury of that 5.6.7 step drop back. Get that str8t.
February 6th, 2015 at 8:51 pm
Damn. What’s all this black and white sheet?
February 6th, 2015 at 8:56 pm
Hey don’t forget Samoan either. Racist bastards.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:03 pm
You guys are warriors.
Things are heating up. Can’t wait to see Jameis Watch 2 months from now when EVERYONE will be on board…or then can GTFO!
Have a good night! 🙂
February 6th, 2015 at 9:23 pm
@aDavie Pear
So you are on Welfare?
Not surprising.
Am I paying for your computer too?
I was expecting you to come stronger than that. Now that’s not surprising. #SubParAthtlete
Every message board has those who actually think they have ownership of it. For the record I haven’t personally acttacked or talked about anyone on this board. I prefer to keep it that way.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:26 pm
It’s 9:30 , where’s #TheCreepyCrab lurking?
February 6th, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Pat Said:
February 6th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
…and if you have to get BP14 later.
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you shoulda just stopped and not posted this. you lost any credibility that anyone might have had for you.
February 6th, 2015 at 9:46 pm
barry, haven’t you personally attacked winston, on this board?
February 6th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Commonsense would tell the Bucs to trade down to get O-lineman and keep Mike Glennon!!!! But commonsense and the Bucs as of late is ignored!
February 6th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
FCK HER RIGHT IN THE …. Oh wait my bad wrong site. I thought I was on Ashley Madison.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
common sense says you are wrong.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:05 pm
From Bleacher Report :
“Winston was an unusual case at Florida State. Most quarterbacks take a while to pick up Jimbo Fisher’s complex pro-style offense, but Winston grasped it almost instantly. His football IQ is considered the highest in this year’s draft, and QB guru George Whitfield Jr. has said Winston is every bit as sharp as Andrew Luck.”
Read this and weep.
Sorry guys I’m watching Justified right now. Which is pretty much the way I will feel on draft day. Justified.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:10 pm
@lurker: Your solution is?
February 6th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
It’s hard for me to condemn Mariota for playing well with the system he was given….what should he have done?…….throwing to wide open recievers…..a shame!!!……running with the ball…..Dangerous>……throwing a massive number of touchdowns with few interceptions……how dare he???
How about letting the experts put him through the necessary tests…..and, what a novel thought….what about designing an offense that he would master….again.
Let’s not count Mariota out just yet!!!
And….Lurker….you keep faulting Mariota for his shoulder injury…….I guess that means Aaron Rogers is a real puss….let the turf at Ray Jay cause his injury….didn’t even get hit…..what a wimp!!!
February 6th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
I hope you notice that I don’t choose to tear Winston down to make any of my arguments as to who we should choose…..actually, I am suggesting something that very few here are…..that is, lets let the Coaches, GM, Scouts etc….do their evaluation of these two players…..HELLO!!!! That’s what is going to happen anyway.
I’m not saying you can’t provide opinions…..but the attacks and the corresponding defenses are really…really….really…..boring for many of us.
I enjoy some of the articles about each player and their percieved strengths and weaknesses…..as a matter of fact, you can read about the projected strengths and weaknesses of every player entering the NFL….most of them are absolutely on target….but…..they don’t predict success or failure.
February 6th, 2015 at 10:55 pm
There would have to be something a LOT more compelling than what I’ve already seen to elevate Fameis Jameis over Mariota…both have won a Heismann and played for and lost a National Championship…one has had multiple character red flags, a Byron Leftwich-y release…the other is a leader who saves his swagger for the field, can beat you with his arm, or his feet, and has a lightning-quick release and also knows ALL the ways to run one of the offenses the new OC knows how to coach…
one comes with a LOT of risk for the coach, the other, not so much…
Yeah…tough decision.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:01 pm
….all null and void once we draft Leonard Williams
per walterfootball: “If the Buccaneers were to acquire a veteran quarterback or decided they didn’t want to go with either Marcus Mariota or Jameis Winston, Williams could be of interest. Lovie Smith will see Williams’ freshman tape and the production that Williams had in a Tampa-2 system while playing for Smith’s mentor Monte Kiffin. The Bucs need to improve their defensive line, so adding Williams with Gerald McCoy could form a devastating tandem for them.”
February 6th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
you take winston #1. you don’t trade down, the value is not there. again, glennon is not the answer at starting qb. keep him at backup, he is great there.
the lines can start to be remedied with later picks, free agency, or better coaching.
i just bring up mariota’s injury because that is a red flag…he is still hurt almost a month later. it just shows another concern errr red flag (as people are wont to say here).
i mean, look at all the crap whitetiger just made up. everyone skews things how they want. nobody is going to have there mind changed. i’ve said before, i prefer a qb at #1. i just want the bucs’ brass to do their due diligence and make the best choice for this franchise.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
Brett I’m will you. That was my first thought. #truestory
The kid looks solid too.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
wow!!!!
A Winston article!!
February 6th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
that is just an opinion piece….snore
February 6th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
lurker…what it is, is a smear article. The thing these fools fail to realize about that article is the writer continually says throughout the article that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are STILL going to draft Jameis Winston.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
“His football IQ is considered the highest in this year’s draft, and QB guru George Whitfield Jr. has said Winston is every bit as sharp as Andrew Luck.”
I don’t know…I’m pretty torn whether or not to believe people on this board about Winston or people that actually know WTF they are talking about.
That’s a tough call.
February 6th, 2015 at 11:56 pm
and everything the lurker writes is factual
February 6th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
87………….Promise me please that no matter what happens after the draft that you will go back to the cool 87 that I have come to respect
February 7th, 2015 at 12:02 am
@ Joe if true, where is the article about Marcus is still hurt? Sounds like non-sense to me…I watched the entire game and saw him come back and finish the game! I only found articles on how Marcus says it feels great back on Jan 12th lmaO
February 7th, 2015 at 12:04 am
At least most of you guys aren’t as moody as my wife.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:10 am
laughing my ass off how ironic it is that the guy that insinuated race being a factor in them siding w/ Winston… then saying someone else pulled the race card
February 7th, 2015 at 12:10 am
Jan 24, 2015
“Marcus Mariota said he is undecided on whether he’ll throw at the upcoming NFL Combine as he waits for an injury from the final game of his college career to heal.”
February 7th, 2015 at 12:14 am
In fact if you dig a little more…you’ll find that Mariota has been injury prone throughout is college career. I’ll do some more digging for you guys tomorrow. I won’t let you down. lol
gatrbuc17….Sheeeet I’m always cool my Buc brother…
See ya tomorrow for the continuing saga….
February 7th, 2015 at 12:22 am
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
to throw or not to throw
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/25/marcus-mariota-admits-to-sprained-ac-joint-injury-vs-buckeyes/
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/20150124_Mariota_still_healing_from_injury_not_sure_if_hell_throw_at_NFL_Combine.html?id=289699141
but it’s nonsense, right, yungry. smh (not that hard to find)
February 7th, 2015 at 12:22 am
One more nugget before I go to beddy bye.
What do Vick, Cam, RGIII, and Mariota have in common?
They get hurt….a lot.
Good night and grease for peace. – Shannana reference there for the old folks.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:23 am
@87 announce your source, which website says due to injury he may not throw? Most QBs going Top 5 would never throw at the Combine injury or not…Too much $ on the line if a no-name does better than you
February 7th, 2015 at 1:23 am
Cool 87. I will be hanging out with a couple extra sleds the weekend of the draft if you want to catch a plane. I can take you to some awesome backcountry powder.
February 7th, 2015 at 1:24 am
Then one of us can witness a Sweetmelt. LOL
February 7th, 2015 at 1:35 am
QBs selected No. One overall in the last 20 years.
Andrew Luck
Cam Newton
Sam Bradford
Matthew Stafford
Jamarcus Russell
Alex Smith
Eli Manning
Carson Palmer
David Carr
Michael Vick
Tim Couch
Peyton manning
………………………………
I would love to have many of these guys in their prime if that was all we needed to win. I Love the TEAM and will support them no matter what!
February 7th, 2015 at 1:54 am
gatrbuc wants to see 87’s sweet meltdown in person if winston’s not drafted…lol
February 7th, 2015 at 1:58 am
So in the last 20. Only the two Mannings?
Wow!
February 7th, 2015 at 2:03 am
Lol Lurker
87 and I are OK I think. He has just gotten a bit off track lately. He will be ok after Winston is not the choice.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:25 am
Many of these quarterbacks were VERY good.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:33 am
Yes Lurker, there were some guys in there that could have looked spectacular with a Green Bay type OL
February 7th, 2015 at 3:22 am
I’m jumping in really late on all this Bullsh@t I’m reading. Think business people!! The #1 pick has to be both the best business decision and best player decision. It’s a combination of both if you can get it! Who offers them (the Bucs) not us dumbasses here on Joe’s blog, but the best oppurtunity to get that combo? That my friends is what a FRANCHISE, not the fans is thinking!
February 7th, 2015 at 3:49 am
and those points converge on jameis winston. winnin with winston will fill the stands! mediocre with mariota fails on point accounts.
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
February 7th, 2015 at 3:51 am
point = both
February 7th, 2015 at 3:58 am
We need a QB. Other than Luck, who was the last prospect better than Winston?
It’s a simple question, sound off…
February 7th, 2015 at 6:49 am
I’m on the Winston side, but if the pick is traded, do you really think Mike Glennon, Kirk Cousins, Chase Daniel or Nick Foles is the answer?
May as well go back to the future and sign Rex Grossman.
February 7th, 2015 at 8:09 am
OK…what about Jameis’s VISON issues ……
February 7th, 2015 at 8:20 am
Joe puts a lot of stock in ANYONE that doesn’t contradict his wishes.
February 7th, 2015 at 8:24 am
Bill Says
“We need a QB. Other than Luck, who was the last prospect better than Winston?
It’s a simple question, sound off…”
Last year? Carr. I would trade the number one pick for Carr THIS year if I thought the Raiders would give us some other picks too. Carr is going to be great…if he can get away from the Raiders. Bridgewater is no slouch either.
This year? Marcus Mariota is better than Winston and will likely have a better career. Will he need to ride the bench a little while?
Maybe, but no more than half a season, and I’m fine with that. I suspect, as well, that Lovie is fine with that too. Otherwise he would have played Glennon a lot more.
February 7th, 2015 at 8:28 am
Wait, Joe puts stock into what KEYSHAWN JOHNSON has to say about draft evaluations?!?! Now it’s all starting to make sense.
There’s a first time for everything but I’m still waiting for the day when Keyshawn opens his mouth and something honest & insightful comes out. His blabbering flapper is asinine and I don’t believe for a second that he watches lots of college football. He’s probably too busy watching himself in the mirror.
Can’t wait until Joe informs us on how Warren Sapp feels about the godly Jameis with an exclusive interview from his prison cell. Only credible opinions on joebucsfan.com…
February 7th, 2015 at 8:30 am
@gatrbuc17
8 of 12 of those were great quarterbacks. Of the remaining 4, it could be argued that David Carr was ruined by the team that drafted him.
Those are pretty darn good odds, but you can’t tell some people that. It doesn’t fit their agenda. They’d rather lose and wait another 20 years for another chance at a #1 pick.
When you have the first pick, you always fill the need of quarterback if there is a need. It’s worth the risk. First round picks are blown all the time, whether they are #1 overall or not. At least at one we have a choice of the top QB for the first time in decades.
February 7th, 2015 at 8:33 am
The only reason to trade the pick is if someone offers use an elite QB with a few years of play left in him, along with at least 2 #1 picks. Or if someone offers 4 first rounders (a king’s ransom) and a good young QB.
If we had taken Brees years ago like I wanted when he hit free agency, we would have been top of the division all this time. Sigh.
February 7th, 2015 at 9:08 am
“Super Wrong””
Is also everyone that trashes the next QB of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jameis Winston before he even gets drafted.
“Super Wrong””
Is what they will be when they start cheering for him on Sunday’s & Monday nights too.
“Super Wrong”
Is everyone that thinks the Bucs are not going to draft Jameis Winston.
February 7th, 2015 at 9:18 am
gatorbuc….I grew up with snow and miss sledding. About 10 years ago I went out to Seattle to see my in-laws. They took me sledding on Christmas day on a ski slope. I was 34, but I felt like I was 10 again. I had so much freaking fun, they took pictures of me with the biggest smiles on my face. Now I’m much older and I don’t know if I could trek up that slope as quickly as I did when I was 34. I had the time of mt life though back then. They had to drag me off that mountain. What was even more cool was watching my Florida born wife doing snow angels for the first time in her life.
February 7th, 2015 at 9:40 am
Good morning warriors. 🙂
Jameis Winston :
Heisman Trophy (2013)
Walter Camp Award (2013)
Manning Award (2013)
Archie Griffin Award (2013)
AP Player of the Year (2013)
Sporting News Player of the Year (2013)
BCS National Championship (2014)
BCS National Championship Offensive MVP (2014)
Orange Bowl champion (2013)
Consensus All-American (2013)
2x First-team All-ACC (2013,2014)
ACC Player of the Year (2013)
ACC Offensive Player of the Year (2013)
ACC Rookie of the Year (2013)
ACC Offensive Rookie of the Year (2013)
ACC Athlete of the Year (2014)
College Football Performance National Freshman of the Year (2013)
ACC Championship Game MVP (2013)
3x ACC Championship (2012, 2013, 2014)
USA Today High School All-American (2011)
February 7th, 2015 at 9:49 am
“When you have great veterans around you and great people you trust,” Winston said, “you want to go out on that battlefield and play your heart out for them.”
February 7th, 2015 at 9:50 am
What about Winstons declining VISION ISSUES ?
February 7th, 2015 at 10:08 am
If there are vision issues, I’m certain NFL doctors will pick up on it.
If its Brett Favre type vision issues, I think the team can live with them. Brett, Peyton and other successful QB’s throw a lot of picks, but make a lot of tough throws as well. Goes back to confidence and being successful more times than not.
And not all interceptions are on the QB, though some on here would like you to believe that.
February 7th, 2015 at 10:14 am
Buccaneerbonzai,
If Carr is a better prospect than Jameis, then a strait trade should make you happy. I’m sure the Raiders would accept.
Thanks for offering your opinion.
Anybody else?
February 7th, 2015 at 10:19 am
Robert 9 Says:
February 6th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
I see a common theme among those who are for winston and those who are against him.
i’ll let you guys guess that one
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You’re such an effing racist d-bag. There’s also a common theme of those that want Mariota and I will tell you what it is… those people don’t know crap about football. They’re probably the same idiots that want/wanted the Bucs to sign Tim Tebow.
February 7th, 2015 at 10:20 am
“What about Winstons declining VISION ISSUES ?”
Get the guy some LASIK and he’d throw for 450 against Oregon? What are you suggesting?
February 7th, 2015 at 10:32 am
Speaking for Maria, Pablo’s mistress…
“Both Pablo and I are extremely upset with the obsessive need to bring race into this debate. We are both brown. Jameis is brown and so is Marcus Mariota.
Speaking for brown people everywhere we do not understand how favoring one brown person over another brown person makes one racist?
What about the fans who want to trade down. Most of them want either Williams or Peat but they too are brown!
But wait a minute. Brandon Scherff is WHITE! At last we have found our racists. Those who want to trade down and take Scherff are clearly racist who are against Mariota (half AA just like our President!) or Jameis or Williams or Peat.
At last! We’ve located the racists!
February 7th, 2015 at 10:57 am
Hey Robert9 according to you only black people like Winston and make there decisions based solely on the fact that they have the same color skin. Guess who else is black! The guy with final personnel decisions at One Buc Place! I am kind of hoping your racist viewpoint comes to fruition and Lovie makes a stand on April 30th and tells Roger Goodell “with the 1st pick we’re taking that black guy as a QB because I am black too!”
February 7th, 2015 at 11:49 am
@Bucfan4lyfe
“with the 1st pick we’re taking that black guy as a QB because I am black too!”
But which QB would that be. Both Marcus and Jameis are black.
February 7th, 2015 at 11:59 am
Quick question for Mr. Patrick and all the Jameis haters out there. Did Treon Harris sexually assault the girl at UF?
February 7th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
@JBuc
I’m not Jameis hater but I’m curious. Wonder why I haven’t heard about Treon Harris? Perhaps he was SMART enough to lay low after any allegations as opposed to jumping on a table and yelling f her in the p while he was still under the cloud of an investigation?
Just curious.
February 7th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
StPeteBucsFsn, not the question. I’ve seen more than a few people on this site proclaim that Jameis is a rapist. Curious if they would say the same about Treon.
February 7th, 2015 at 1:40 pm
If Mariota was black & Winston was white, I would want Mariota over Winston. Hands down
February 7th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
Heisman Trophies and National Championships = Impediment to being a top 10 QB. Seriously, look at the top 10 QBs, you’ll notice 0 national titles and 0 Heismans.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
@JBuc
I’ve seen more than a few people on this site proclaim that Jameis is a rapist. Curious if they would say the same about Treon.
That is a fair question. If Treon had half the talent of Jameis we might get an answer. But he’s not going to be considered as a Buc or any other team draft choice in any round.
In fact if the Gators can’t find a better QB than him they’re in deep dooty.
I suspect the answer to your question would be yes. The same people who call Jameis a rapist…which I agree is totally inappropriate…would call Harris a rapist if he won a Heisman, National Title, and was a potential first round draft pick. Although I also suspect this time it would be coming more from FSU fans that Gator fans.
Nobody should be calling Jameis rapist or thug. Both are inappropriate. But Jameis behavior has brought all this scrutiny along with the fact that he is under the white hot glare of national media attention.
That’s what frightens some of us. He has been babysat in Tallahasse…people had millions at stake with Jameis…Jimbo just picked up another couple million a year thanks to Jameis. If Jameis couldn’t keep it together at age 21 we wonder if he’s going to do that much better at 22 with millions of $$$.
I hope he does even if we don’t draft him. While he makes me nervous I do not hate him,
February 7th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Winston is to black people what Alstott is to white people…nothing wrong with that
February 7th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
StPeteBucsFan, if only more people on this site were this reasonable. I am an FSU grad and can admit there are concerns with Jameis. Honestly, I’d have concerns drafting any kid to be my QB with only 2 real years of college. Let alone two years with the kind of drama this kid has brought upon himself.
However, much of the drama around Jameis stems from the sexual assault allegation. I can assure you had that never occurred, the profanity and Burger King cup scandals would have never seen the light of day. Nor should they because they are the actions of an immature college kid which most of us were at one time or another.
I brought up Treon because if you are a Gator fan and you can admit that he was the victim of a made up story from a jealous girlfriend then why can you not see that possibility for Jameis. With the scrutiny Jameis has been under since all this occurred, I ahppen to think it’s pretty impressive we haven’t heard any more. No drinking at bars. No drugs. By all accounts he went to class and was a great teammate.
February 7th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
It’s funny that people bring up race. We all know its there but just seeing it here is just a slap in the face. I wanted Mariota before I looked at the tape. Now I want Winston because he is the better player. As a black guy, my favorite QB is Montana and I have never liked Vick. I’m a cerebral person and like to think for my self and not let others define me or think for me.
February 7th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Shhhh Lovie Smith is black and so is Winston. Uh oh!
February 7th, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Luther you know what I don’t like. I don’t like it when a black man or woman is singled out for an award because of the color of their skin. I think that just cheapens the feat in general.
First black man to do this….first black woman to do that. I think when you do that you feed stereo-typing and that shyte needs to STOP in America. To me that’s just racist to make light of someones accomplishment because of the color of their skin.
Can anyone tell me who the first white man was to dunk a basketball? Nope.
February 7th, 2015 at 4:17 pm
I get along with everyone, but I won’t walk into a predominantly black neighborhood at night. So perhaps I am racist to a point when it comes to stuff like that. I had a white neighbor once that got her purse snatched out of her car in the hood. When the cops arrived, they asked her, what were you doing in that neighborhood to begin with? I just shook my head and thought why is she not allowed to go anywhere in America she wants to.
I also think BET and ebonics is a way of separating the black from the white and is bad for America.
Okay Joe I’m done talking non-football, but I think people need to know a little bit about how I feel, seeing how I never bring up race like the many others on this site. So with that.
Jameis Winston is coming Tampa!
February 7th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Bucrightoff you’re not serious are you? Heisman = detriment??? While winning a heisman doesn’t necessarily translate to the pro level, do you really think it’s a detrement?? A high percentage of heisman winners are never projected to be successful as pros. Tim Tebow was a reach late in the first round. Many projected him to be a late to mid rounder. Guys like Charlie Ward and Gino Toretta never even got drafted along with a slew of others. The point here is that the reason most experts are projecting to go first overall is not because he won the heisman. It is because he has the tools and physical traits to potentially be a franchise QB. If Winston was 5’7″ and put up the numbers he did in his freshman year he would have still won the heisman but he wouldn’t even get drafted. Your comment is ridiculous. It’s the same as saying you should invest all your money in the S&P 500 today because an AFC team won the Super Bowl and the market always goes up when an AFC team wins it all. The two things are not related. However I would say that being considered the top overall college player is not a bad thing. Under your preposterous statement the Bucs should go after a lesser QB because the two best QBs are clearly better but they won heismans.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:13 pm
Bucfan4life…bucrightoff is hell bent on the Bucs getting Williams. Yet nobody is saying that.
Even the Canadians think Winston’s going to the Bucs!
Dan Bilicki – Toronto Sun
TORONTO – With the Super Bowl over, we now look ahead to the next huge day on the NFL calendar: The draft. Here’s how we think the first round will shape up less than two months out.
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
The Bucs have the tough decision between him and Mariota, but should go with the in-state product.
2. Tennessee Titans
Marcus Mariota, QB, Oregon
The Titans would be happy with either QB or go the defence route with a top lineman.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:20 pm
Bleacher Report
2015 NFL Mock Draft: Bold Predictions for Key Prospects and Teams
By Adam Wells , Featured Columnist
Feb 4, 2015
1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State
February 7th, 2015 at 5:24 pm
Yeah, Luck finished 2nd in the voting twice and Peyton Manning was always close to one.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
“2015 NFL Mock Draft: Jameis Winston too talented for Bucs to pass up”
By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
January 25, 2015 11:10 pm ET
1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State: Winston’s off-field issues are a significant concern but allowing the local product to slip through their grasp might be even more frightening to head coach Lovie Smith and general manager Jason Licht. Smith might be precisely the steady hand that Winston needs to take full advantage of his undeniable talent. It isn’t difficult to imagine Tampa’s offense making a huge improvement in 2015 with the strong-armed and accurate Winston firing passes to huge targets Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and Austin Seferian-Jenkins.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
Winning the Heisman might not be an indicator but being in the top ten in voting is. Just looking through the past voting, a lot of the top QB’s were mentioned and in a lot of cases a loss here or a bad game there cost them the Heisman or being at the ceremony.
February 7th, 2015 at 5:37 pm
NBC Sports
Posted by Kevin McGuire on December 28, 2014, 12:56 PM EST
“Winston even suggested he would feel good about throwing the football against anybody, including one of the NFL’s top defensive backs, Richard Sherman of the Seattle Seahawks.”
February 7th, 2015 at 6:22 pm
CBS Tampa Bay
“Why the Bucs will be in the Super Bowl in 3 years”
May 13th 2014
“There is one name that I haven’t mentioned. Famous Jameis Winston. I have made no secret that I think this kid is special… Like LeBron James special. The first time I heard him speak, I knew that he would change football and I wanted him to lead the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. A lot of people say that Johnny Football has that “It” factor. Well Jameis Winston has more “It” than any athlete I have ever seen. He single-handedly elevated Florida State from a pretty good football team to the best team in the country. He beat the SEC! If he were eligible he would’ve been the number 1 pick in this year’s draft. With his charisma, leadership and all-world athletic ability, Jameis Winston will win a Super Bowl within 3 years of entering the NFL.”
“If Jameis is the top player on the board next year, which he should be, the Bucs might have to give up a king’s ransom to get him. I believe he’ll be worth every penny. Who knows…? Maybe he’ll try to steal some more crab legs and fall a few slots in the draft? We can only hope.”
“Meanwhile, I’ll be planning my trip to Houston.”
BUT WE DON’T HAVE TO HAVE HIM DROP IN THE DRAFT, HE’S RIGHT THERE FOR THE TAKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 7th, 2015 at 6:59 pm
87 are all of those writers black? According to Robert only black people like Winston! For the record I am a white UCF alum and a lifelong Buc fan! As a Buc fan I want the Winston playing in RayJay in the worst way. If we pass on him we are going to regret it big time! All of his haters haven’t done there homework on the accusation, Jameis the person, and Jameis the player!
February 7th, 2015 at 7:34 pm
I see what has to happen here. I’ll ask 2 questions,
Other than Luck, who was the last white prospect better than Winston?
and
Other than Luck, who was the last black prospect better than Winston?
February 7th, 2015 at 7:48 pm
Since we’re bringing up race, Im a white, my girl of almost 8 years is asian (the sweetest most loyal and good hearted person you’ll ever meet). I have 3 best friends, a mexican, a black, and a white….with Randy (who is black) being like a big brother to me since I was 14. I love and welcome all people, your race your culture, everything, just as long as you’re a good person who also accepts my redneck white lily a$$ 😉