Josh Freeman Consistently Inconsistent

July 2nd, 2013

Joe knows one reason many Bucs fans are less than giddy over Josh Freeman is thus far he is what his college stats purported him to be: inconsistent.

Well, the numbers crunchers at Football Outsiders decided to do something called “DVOA,” which to Joe is akin to some worthless, empty made-up baseball stat like OBG-YN.

(The stat geek have all but hijacked baseball and done their best to chase Joe away from the game  but thankfully, Joe has found a way to ignore them so Joe can enjoy the sport. Joe learned way back in high school one can concoct any statistic to prove whatever point you want to make.)

These Football Outsiders nerds were trying to figure out which quarterback is the best/worst at throwing the long pass, they accidentally found out that Freeman is, well, inconsistent.

Outside of Jackson coming in last year, there hasn’t much turnover in Freeman’s offense. Mike Williams, Arrelious Benn, and Kellen Winslow were constants in 2010 and 2011. Winslow declined heavily and Dallas Clark wasn’t the answer — is Freeman’s large drop in Short DVOA since 2010 all because he has no tight end? Williams said that part of the problem in 2012 was that receivers didn’t know when to break their routes off. Is that something that gets fixed?

That’s the kind of straw-grasping that Freeman’s advanced stats leave you to make. When he’s been below average in DVOA, he’s been below average on all downs. When he’s above average in DVOA, he’s above average on all downs. His red-zone DVOA follows a rollercoaster pattern (which is true for most quarterbacks, to be honest). I know we have a few hardcore Bucs fans here. What theories do you have about what has happened to Freeman since 2010?

Based on what I’ve seen and researched of him, I can see why head coach and haircut watch-setter Greg Schiano is peeing down both legs when it comes to Freeman. It’s been four years, and Freeman’s main trait as a quarterback is that nobody knows what to expect him to be in four years.

 

Joe would suggest there hasn’t been much consistent with Freeman prior to last year, other than disc-spinning Sgt. Winslow, which may explain why Freeman was always forcing balls to Sgt. Winslow.

In his first four years in the NFL, Freeman had three different coordinators and three different quarterback coaches. That’s not exactly consistent in Joe’s eyes.

But Rivers McCown, the author of the piece, does make a point that in the past four years, it’s hard to judge what Freeman will be in the next four years. It is this reason why popular sports radio and television personality Adam Schein proclaimed last mid-season that he trusted Christian Ponder over Freeman. And, voila, with two solid games to close the 2012 season (against two playoff teams), Ponder got the Vikings into the playoffs where Freeman, with the Bucs in position to make a playoff run, disappeared.

Joe really believes Freeman will improve this year. He’s got another year with offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan, another year with Vincent Jackson and another year with Doug Martin — consistency with both personnel and coaches for a change. That can only be a good thing.

Will Freeman be a Pro Bowl player? Joe’s not going there yet. But he should be better. Which, in turn, should make the Bucs better.

45 Responses to “Josh Freeman Consistently Inconsistent”

  1. Raphael Says:

    *facepalm*

  2. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    We did great last year, until opposing teams adapted to our offense. It seemed that as we tried to adapt to teams adapting to us by changing our offense, that Josh Freeman struggled.
    It seemed mental to me, almost as if Josh did not have a good grasp on what was going on.
    Then, he seemed to blame others, when it was he who was messing up.
    Being an NFL QB is a mental challenge, and all the athletic ability and arm strength in the world will not get the job done.
    Coach Schiano can talk all he wants about Freeman being his only QB.
    But, actions speak louder then words.
    Glennon would not be here, if they were so sold on Josh Freeman.
    As a die hard Bucs fan, I want Josh to do well, because it will mean my team might make the playoffs this year.
    But I think Tampa was wise to hedge our bets, by drafting Glennon.

  3. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Chris I agree with most of your post, especially about teams adjusting, and our slow readjusting but never once in any interviews, post game, pregame, day-off interviews has Freeman ever blamed his game on others. He always in every single interview puts the blame squarely on his own shoulders. He does not point fingers. Now other team mates have come out and said some of the blame would be on them but never have I ever heard Josh call someone out.

  4. arealbucsfan Says:

    Playoffs gentlemen

  5. iamabuc Says:

    All I can say is; Stop the “Glennon” bull- s–t”, he is not better than Freeman, period. Let’s give Josh this year, we all know he should be better, but I tell you one thing, Glennon will not be better than Freeman, remember that.

  6. Jbskiff Says:

    @buc@j. What radio station have you been listening too? Either you are deaf or you have selective hearing! Both on/in his post game pressers, he has blamed interceptions on miscommunication ( another way for him blaming the receiver not running the correct route. On his radio show it was always stressed that he has had so many different coordinators (poor guy). And who can forget, he’s only ’24′ now 25 years old. Go back to his interviews and you will see that he has not been as mum as you think he has.

  7. jose Says:

    Ponder hot who to the playoffs?? Cuz it sure as he’ll it wasn’t the Vikings ,its more like AP got them there inspite of Ponder.

  8. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    “Hope for the best but plan for the worst” I think that is what we are doing, and it seems prudent to me!

  9. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    ” Outside of Jackson coming in last year, there hasn’t much turnover in Freeman’s offense.”

    Except the entire offense itself…multiple times.

  10. SteveK Says:

    Just win baby!

  11. Joe Says:

    jose:

    Ponder hot who to the playoffs?? Cuz it sure as he’ll it wasn’t the Vikings ,its more like AP got them there inspite of Ponder.

    Guess you didn’t see the Vikings last two games last year? Ponder had five touchdowns; AP one.

  12. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    @Jbskiff

    I’m sorry but in my universe miscommunication isn’t a player.

    Show me a link where he specifically called out another player. You can’t because that is not Josh’s modus operandi. If anything he should stand up for himself more except for covering up others mistakes. Then maybe people wouldn’t be so quick to judge him.

    Evidently you don’t like Josh and you would manufacture anything as long as you can show Josh Freeman in a bad light.

  13. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Chris said
    ” Coach Schiano can talk all he wants about Freeman being his only QB. But, actions speak louder then words. Glennon would not be here, if they were so sold on Josh Freeman.”

    Not true at all. Glennon will not nor was he ever expected to be a starter. They drafted him because of Dan-O. Period.

    @ Jbskiff

    He could have just as easily meant he didn’t communicate clearly to the WR. You are making assumptions based on your own limited understanding of what he meant.

  14. Joe Says:

    Show me a link where he specifically called out another player.

    Freeman may not have but Joe specifically wrote about how Mike Williams took blame and indirectly took his fellow receivers to task for “not being on the same page” as Freeman and that at least half of Freeman’s incompletions were not his fault.

  15. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Thank you Joe, you made my point. Freeman has never directly ever called out another player.

  16. BamBamBuc Says:

    I’m not going to argue Freeman’s consistent inconsistency. I do take issue with Ponder’s “two solid games against playoff teams to get the Vikings into the playoffs”. Yes, the Vikings won, no, Ponder didn’t lose the games by throwing interceptions, but he hardly won the games with solid performances. Against the Texans, he went a whopping 16 of 30 (and Freeman gets bashed for under 60% completion, look at that….) for a grand total 174 yards (under 6 ypa) and a TD. Of course, all they needed was a TD, as the defense was stifling. The Vikings D won that game with 4 sacks and 2 FF, allowing only 34 rushing yards (Arian Foster had 10 carries for 15 yards that game… 1.5 ypc), and 187 total yards for the game. Ponder was, at best, adequate.

    The Packers game I’ll give him more credit, he improved his completion percentage going 16 of 28, and improved his TDs getting 3. So, Ponder’s solid play won that game, right? Well, when you look at the fact he only had 234 yards through the air, you’ll find that Adrian Peterson rushing for 199 yards really put them in a position to win. As a matter of fact, Ponder had one pass completion of 65 yards, meaning the other 15 completions totaled 169 yards. I won’t take that long pass away from him, he did complete it, but he didn’t gain the yards for the team on all but one play. Peterson did. Truthfully, Ponder was only gaining 3 yards more per pass attempt than Peterson was gaining on rushing attempts on average. The defense did just enough as well, sacking Rodgers 5 times and forcing a fumble. Funny enough, on the drive that Ponder completed the 65 yard pass, the Vikings almost didn’t score. They failed to convert a 3rd down attempt, but the Packers got called for a penalty that gave an automatic first down. Otherwise, the Vikings would have kicked a FG instead of getting a TD and lost the game. So, did Ponder’s solid play win that game? He definitely didn’t lose the game, but shouldn’t more credit for the win go to the RB? I’d figure Ponder played as much a role in winning as the defense did. While the defense had 5 sacks, they gave up 4 TDs to Rodgers and 405 total yards. The defense didn’t win that game, nor did they lose it.

    Joe Webb played the playoff game and completed 11 of 30 for 180 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT. Not far off of Ponder’s stats, why wasn’t this “solid” play good enough? Is Webb almost as good as Ponder, who is obviously better than Freeman? What’s that? You say this is a team sport and QBs are just a part of the team? That’s true, and as much as a solid run game can win games, or solid defense can win games, a QB can win games, but it takes the team to do so. Ponder hasn’t won anything by himself. The Vikings had 7 games last year where they had more rushing yards for the game than passing yards. 4 games where they were held to 100 yards or less PASSING. Is that Ponder leading the team to the playoffs?

    I hate that in the Freeman discussions, I hate it when talking about Ponder or Dalton or any other QB. It’s not all the QB, there are other pieces to the team. Adrian Peterson and Jared Allen play a part. AJ Green and the Bengals defense play a part. With Freeman, the defense didn’t play it’s part very well at all, so unless Freeman is Superman, he’s not gonna be able to overcome the other deficiencies by himself.

  17. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    Well said BamBam, You are right on message. Thanks!

  18. tampabaybucfan Says:

    One area that has affected Josh negatively is his unwillingness to run. He is perhaps willing to run but is being told not to.

    2010 65/364 5.6
    2011 39/139 3.6
    2012 40/135 3.4

    Freeman has basically 3 choices when pressured…..
    Throw the ball
    Eat the gall
    Run

    When you take away option 3 in his mind and option 2 is somewhat unpleasant/unacceptable, you are left with “throw the ball”
    There you have two opitions.
    Throw to a reciever or throw it away.

    I believe that Freeman forces passes when he is pressured and that encouraging him to scramble when necessary or to look for an open field to run would greatly improve his stats.
    He is leaner and presumably quicker. Let him run Coach…..
    LET HIM RUN!!!

  19. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @BamBamBuc

    You rock.

    @the haterz

    “Josh Freeman Consistently Inconsistent”

    I would still take Josh over half of the leagues starting quarterbacks.

    Would any of you honestly, right now, trade Freeman, straight up, for any one of these QBs?

    1. Buffalo Bills: EJ Manuel
    2. Miami Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill
    3. New York Jets: Mark Sanchez or Geno Smith
    4. Cleveland Browns: Brandon Weeden?
    5. Jacksonville Jaguars: Blaine Gabbert?
    6. Tennessee Titans: Jake Locker
    7. Kansas City Chiefs: Alex Smith?
    8. Oakland Raiders: Matt Flynn?
    9. Dallas Cowboys: Tony Romo
    10. Philadelphia Eagles: Michael Vick?
    11. Chicago Bears: Ja-y Cutler
    12. Minnesota Vikings: Christian Ponder
    13. Arizona Cardinals: Carson Palmer?
    14. St. Louis Rams: Sam Bradford
    15. Detroit Lions: Matthew Stafford
    16. Cincinnati Bengals: Andy Dalton

    I am sorry but I can honestly say that I don’t think any one of these QBs is a sure fire upgrade from Freeman. There are all either about as good, or worse than Freeman. Statistically speaking and not in some broad team stat, like wins and losses.

  20. lightningbuc Says:

    These guys writing these negative articles about Freeman is ridiculous. If they would just read the posts on this site from the likes of WestCoastBucsFan and Raphael they’d learn just how great Freeman is.

  21. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    And if they only listened to the likes of lightningbuc we would have a bunch of writers complaining non stop and clearing out the “feminine needs” section of every grocery store.

  22. Mean D Says:

    Now add Football Outsiders to the long and growing list of football outlets that state the obvious – that Freeman is inconsistent. OF COURSE Freeman’s numbers will be better this year – he has access to every tool imaginable. But in 4 years in the NFL he has just been mediocre. And every time another football expert states the obvious it drives the Freeman apologists crazy, especially the ridiculous WestCoastBucsFan. She clearly has a man crush on Freeman.

  23. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    It amazes me how so-called Buc fans could wish the worst for their teams QB. They actually seem to take pride in wanting him to fail. They call us apologist for understanding what Josh has had to contend with the last couple of years. Even when Josh does well, they seem to only remember the bad or they will make excuses as to why he done well and that Josh doesn’t ever deserve any of the credit. I guess they like perpetually starting over every year.

  24. BamBamBuc Says:

    Well, Stafford is probably as good or better statistically, although there are injury concerns there. And it also has something to do with the fact that he has a WR that just broke the single season receiving yard record once held by Jerry Rice. So, I’m with ya. Every one of those guys, while some have played playoff games (based on wins/losses the TEAM earned) is no guaranteed improvement over Freeman.

    Considering age, I’d have to add Matt Hasselbeck, Philip Rivers, and Matt Schaub to the list of guys that I probably wouldn’t take over Freeman.

    Then, of course, there are the players everyone is drooling over that I would rather wait a year or two before jumping on board with. Guys like Andrew Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, and Cam Newton. They may all end up better than Josh, but it’s too early to tell. After all, Vince Young made the playoffs his 2nd year, and he still flopped. Carson Palmer also made the playoffs his 2nd year and wasn’t anything special. Philip Rivers made the playoffs the first 4 years he started (2006-9), yet never got to the Super Bowl and hasn’t done anything since.

    It’s difficult to judge QBs on wins/losses or playoff appearances/Super Bowls. Peyton Manning is nothing special when it comes to Super Bowl appearances, nor is Dan Marino. Both elite QBs. John Elway was considered a major flop for getting to 3 Super Bowls before actually winning 2. Fact is, every QB needs a team to get to the Super Bowl with, and more so, a team to win it with. Josh Freeman has a team now that is looking closer to a playoff team. If they get there, they have just as much chance as any of the other 12 teams to make the Super Bowl and if there a 1 in 2 chance of winning it.

  25. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    @ BamBamBuc

    Great post! I actually wanted to include those guys but my post(s) were already getting a little lengthy. My problem with most of these haters that they whine and complain but don’t realize that there simply are no other options right now. Freeman is the best we can do at this point in time.

    @He who takes the “Mean D”

    Is anybody saying that Freeman is not inconsistent here? I certainly am not. Freeman always has and, most likely, always will be inconsistent.

    Buc’n Junkie knows. The blind haters choose to remember only the bad games. As if Freeman has never played a good game in his life. The haters conveniently look past the second worst pass defense in NFL history so they can attack the holder of several franchise records and leader of a top ten offense. Freeman is far, FAR from perfect but certainly is NOT the problem with this team.

    I won’t even point out the stupidity of calling me a woman and then saying I have a “man crush” on someone. Do you even think before you write? Always looking to insult but never to add anything to the conversation. You are the definition of a troll.

  26. WestCoastBucsFan Says:

    I would also like to add that the two “fans” that replied to my post didn’t tell me which quarterbacks they would take on that list. Surely if Freeman is THAT bad and QBs are so easy to find then at least one of these quarterbacks from half of the league would be better, right? Afraid to show your ignorance?

  27. Illuminati Says:

    Bottom line, we still have to wait and see with Freeman. He’s still only 25, and a lot of QBs in this league just don’t blossom until they’re 25-28 years old.

    Even with all the knocks on Freeman, there are a lot of teams that would be instantly better if he was their starting QB. He will absolutely be a starter in this league in 2014 even if it’s not for the Bucs.

    He’s under contract this season, and we can franchise him if need be next season. We’re in a dangerous position, though, because we can’t risk losing him before he comes into his own, and we can’t risk any more losing seasons trying to decide if he’s the future for us.

    There’s no question that Freeman is physically well-suited to command the type of big-play offense Schiano and Sullivan are going for. But he has to get his head in the game this season, because most plays aren’t 40-yard strikes down field, and we can’t tolerate Freeman’s inconsistency and “miscommunication” and “poor timing” with his receivers much longer.

  28. Free's A Boob Says:

    The one consistent thing about Freeman is that he is dumb as a box of rocks. No reason to expect a change there. Does anyone really believe he is NOT the worst QB in the NFC South? And there is the answer where we end up. We might place ahead of one better QB but not three.

  29. delson Says:

    I am from nevada n rarely get to watch my teamthe tampa bay bucs play but i do follow them religiously in newspaper internet blogs and team news sites but anyway i like the winslow release almost as much as any other move made last offseason. Winslow was a crutch to the offense i mean it seemed to me that winslow took away from the wide recievers growth as well as freemans. When schiano released him i knew freemans numbers would rise but i did not know he would set team records. As freeman gets more and more comfortably reacquainted with his wrs i do expect his completion and td/int ratio to improve. Now winslows blocking duties are stockers. In the end our offense became more dynamic in one season without him. Whats in store for next year? Ps.. im still laughin at the blount supporters.

  30. SteveK Says:

    WCBF,

    “I would still take Freeman over half the other QBs in the league”.

    Really, because being 16/17th best is playoff football? Top 12 make it to the dance. Freeman needs to be a Top 12 QB, if he is staying pas this year.

  31. SteveK Says:

    WCBF,

    The problem with your list, is that half of those QBs have tasted playoffs, or have a winning record.

    Does Freeman have a winning record as our starting QB? Has Freeman had 55 starts?

    Bottom line, it is time for Freeman to take the “consistently inconsistent” off of his resume and put on “playoff QB”.

    Surely, with this roster of assembled talent, and his 2nd year in the system, Freeman can take us to the playoffs.

  32. Joe Says:

    delson:

    Joe’s glad you also read his blog. Welcome!

  33. BamBamBuc Says:

    SteveK – does GMC have “playoff DT” on his resume? Or Mason Foster “playoff LB” or Mike Williams “playoff WR” or … the list goes on. Winning record and tasting the playoffs belong to the team. When one part of that team fails, the rest can only do their best to make up for it, but often in the NFL that’s not enough. Of course, there is some luck involved as well. Such as Christian Ponder being a playoff QB when the D and RB got him there. There is no doubt about that, just look at the stats. Watch their games. Ponder did NOT lead his team to the playoffs and probably did more to harm their chances than help, yet the TEAM made it despite their weak link. The Bucs couldn’t do that last year, because the “weak link” was every CB on the team. Matthew Stafford (playoff QB) threw to CJ all the time last year, CJ broke the single season record previously held by Jerry Rice for receiving yards, yet the TEAM was only able to get 4 wins. The list goes on for “playoff QBs”, the team wasn’t good enough more often than not, whether the failing part was the QB or the defense or whatever.

  34. PRBucFan Says:

    Stir that pot some more please jajaja

    I cannot wait till this season’s over and we can finally move on with him or without him. As long as these redundant, boring Freeman debates end I’ll be happy.

  35. scubog Says:

    Buc’n Junkie: Sadly, your observation that many of the so-called Buc fans actually seeming to want our young QB to fail is absolutely accurate. There is virtually nothing # 5 could do to impress them, short of being named NFL MVP and winning a Super Bowl. They appear more hopeful of being right (in their mind) about Josh Freeman than they are eager for their favorite team to win games. They cite various “experts” whose own opinions are often little more than echoing what they have heard with minimal basis of fact. We “sheep” all saw the bad games; but we’re not so blinded by “the wool over our eyes” to totally discount the 4000 yards, 27 touchdowns and 9th ranked offense that some want to dispel. From the booing of Steve Spurrier, cheering the injury to Gary Huff, racial profiling of Doug Williams, mocking color blind Vinny, scoffing at Trent Dilfer, temporarily crowning Shaun King, tolerating journeyman Brad Johnson, and on and on through the parade of QB’s to doubting Josh Freeman; these fans here have never truly accepted the signal-caller. That’s our society, We always feel the need to blame somebody. 53 players but only 1 at fault. Me, I hope Josh Freeman excels. Not to be right; but because I want the team to succeed.

  36. PRBucFan Says:

    False assumption FAR from the truth.

    Very few want Free to fail at our teams expense.

    Don’t get confused now lol

    It’s sad, we are seeing sooo many player fans now adays and less and less team fans. I wonder where some of these so called fans will go if a Josh doesn’t get brought back next year…

  37. McBuc Says:

    BamBam nailed it on all his posts in this thread. He used logic to state what many have been trying to explain to the Freeman bashers for months. Well done sir. Bam Bam is keeping it real with well thought out logic and researched examples that still cannot change the “it’s all on Freeman” crowd. I love it when they say “we know the defense was bad, but that still does not change the fact that Freeman (fill in the bliank). Oh, and not every QB that made the play-offs last year was a top 12 QB, and some of the top 12 QBs did not make the play-offs.

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  39. Couch Fan Says:

    @PR

    Hopefully they pack a bag and take there jock riding @sses with him if thats the case.

    Laughable that someone would try to say we want Josh to fail. Truth is so far Josh HAS failed ever since being here.

    All I care about is MY Bucs winning games. Freeman hasen’t done that so far. (except for a playoffless 10 win season that looked way better on paper than reality). The jock riders can label that any way they want.

    I guess its wrong to want better for the team we love.

  40. BamBamBuc Says:

    If you mean Josh HAS failed due to the TEAM record over his tenure, then I can understand that, yet don’t agree with it. Josh HAS had success every full season as a starter. 2010, 2011, and 2012 all rank in the top 6 in the history of the Buccaneers passing. The team record doesn’t reflect the positive passing yards, and therefor Josh’s “record” as starting QB doesn’t stand up to some people’s expectations. He hasn’t made the playoffs in his 3 years as starter, nor has any other member of the team the past 3 years they played for the Bucs. Many factors play into making the playoffs besides QB and we haven’t had enough of those factors to ADD to what Josh has done the past 3 seasons to make the playoffs. I can’t ignore his individual successes and put all the blame on him for not making the playoffs. He has either had success passing but not winning, or he has been horrible passing and it’s his fault we haven’t made the playoffs. All 3 seasons as full-time starter being in the top 6 of the 37 years of Bucs history is undeniably a positive for him. Two seasons with Raheem Morris and Greg Olson couldn’t hold down his stats, just his win/loss record.

  41. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    PRBucFan Says:
    “It’s sad, we are seeing sooo many player fans now adays and less and less team fans. I wonder where some of these so called fans will go if a Josh doesn’t get brought back next year…”

    I think you are a bit confused. If we go with a new rookie or second year quarterback, the TEAM will be set back years. Barring getting a top-notch veteran like the Saints did years ago, Josh Freeman is the Buccaneers best chance to succeed over the next 2-3 years (where QB is concerned).

    And in that time, he will likely become elite.

  42. stevek Says:

    Josh hasn’t done enough, independently, as a “Franchise QB”, or to be paid like one.

    If Freeman is so reliant on the “Team”, then he should take a modest pay day, to be all about the “team”.

    As of right now, Freeman doesn’t stand to make the same pay day that his draft status status.

    Why can’t Freeman:

    audible
    complete short throws regularly
    take the blame in post game pressers
    point to excuses left and right.

    The Bucs are a playoff team, is Josh Freeman a playoff QB??

  43. stevek Says:

    Bonzai says:

    “I think you are a bit confused. If we go with a new rookie or second year quarterback, the TEAM will be set back years. Barring getting a top-notch veteran like the Saints did years ago, Josh Freeman is the Buccaneers best chance to succeed over the next 2-3 years (where QB is concerned).”

    BOGUS! There is a new day in the NFL, and rookie/2nd year QBs are called upon quicker than ever. Just because Freeman can’t “get” an offense in one year, doesn’t mean NO QB can.

    Please go tell Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton Russel Wilson, RG3, or Kaepernick that they aren’t supposed to be “instrumental” in their team winning.

    EXCUSES are extincy for #5. We need consistency and playoffs, or Josh is not getting a pay off…..

  44. Couch Fan Says:

    @Bonzai

    Yes I am referring to wins and losses, as that is the only stat that matters to any real fan. You play the game to win not to look pretty on stat sheets. But that is not the only way I judge Josh. I also watch his play, and its not been impressive a majority of his career. He has had flashes no doubt, but the bad far outweigh the good so far.

    Anyways, with 3 weeks left til training camp im gonna focus on what could be and not what has been. Hopefully this year he can put it all together, but I’m not betting on it.

    Winning cures all.

  45. PRBucFan Says:

    Bonzai quit your crap

    I don’t care if it’s Freeman or not lol

    Fact is a pretty loss is not better than an ugly win and whether we are going through the growing pains of finding our QB or losing pretty with Freeman they are no different to me.

    You don’t hold on to somebody that’s clearly not been the answer out of fear of uncertainty, you keep searching. (As our organization clearly is willing to do)

    Again I could careless if it’s Freeman or not, that answer will come in time
    “no more or no less”. Fortunately for me I will be excited for our Bucs whether we are continuing with Freeman or whether we have to go through finding our QB and starting fresh. Unfortunately for some of you (if this isn’t you than don’t take offense to it) your only excitement comes from seeing Freeman at the helm whether he’s the answer or not and you’ll be miserable if its any other way.

    Ultimately I believe and trust in our organization so whatever they believe and decide will be where my excitement lies.

    Here’s to a great season!!!!

 
 

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