Jameis Winston Hatchet Job On NFL.com
February 26th, 2015
Joe will not tolerate this
Joe’s not going to sit quietly while Jameis Winston, likely the next Tampa Bay quarterback, is assaulted unfairly on the NFL’s official website in a story that, at best, misrepresents the words of Bucs management.
Here’s how the Chase Goodbread hit piece opens:
“At the NFL Scouting Combine last week in Indianapolis, Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Lovie Smith and GM Jason Licht both expressed cautious optimism that the team’s background checks on Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston would come back satisfactory.”
Joe has a huge problem with that. It’s not what the Bucs’ hierarchy said.
Licht and Lovie did not express “cautious optimism” about Winston background checks. What Lovie and Licht did express at the Combine is thorough confidence that their research into Winston to that point made them comfortable with him as a potential draft pick. And both said they would continue to research Winston’s background as they would other potential picks.
There’s a huge difference there.
Joe believes Goodbread crossed a line on that front and a correction/clarification is in order immediately.
The NFL.com article itself, titled “Story of Jameis Winston’s Accuser To Be Told In Documentary,” is about The Hunting Ground film on sexual assault issues on college campuses. It will feature Winston’s accuser, among others, and opens Friday.
The NFL.com piece shamefully closes with, “The Hunting Ground should provide the public with some of the same insight into Winston that the Bucs and other NFL clubs use in their final evaluation of the draft’s most polarizing figure.”
Really, Mr. Goodbread?
So the one-sided take of Winston’s accuser — Winston was never charged and was cleared by three separate entities — is going to provide “the same insight into Winston that the Bucs and other NFL clubs use in their evaluation?”
Joe’s going to bet Goodbread is not a Winston guy. And that’s just fine. No problem there. But this kind of attack job disguised as news on the league’s official website is inappropriate, and Joe sincerely hopes the folks at One Buc Palace make a phone call to the league office.
If this is what NFL.com is pumping out in February, Joe can only imagine what will be there as the draft gets closer.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:22 pm
Joe, now a Senator has asked each team to look at the documentary. My question is why she gets to tell her side when the guy was cleared 3 times. It make my blood boil to read 1 sided stories such as this when the evidence does not support the narrative. The sad part is they are doing it to create a story for clicks instead of responsible journalism.
It’s America, Luther. She can say what she wants. If Winston doesn’t like it, he can sue her successfully if it becomes malicious.–Joe
February 26th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
What do you expect? So many stories have been misconstrued and told the slant truth. They’ve carefully left out important details to fit their narrative and many choose not to look up facts themselves but just assume take others’ words for truth. Her story in the documentary is her 3rd version of the story and contradicts her own friends statements in the (public) police report.
And the 3rd time he was cleared was by one of the most respectable members within the law community. To think a cover up there is flat out ignorant.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
*and don’t just contradict her friends’ statements but also her own.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
I’ll get the popcorn ready for tomorrow…Winston won’t be tossed anymore soft balls. God forbid this story won’t go away… What a shocker!~
February 26th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Welcome to Tampa Mariota, Winston doesn’t fit in with what Lovie wants from his leader. Great article on Mariota right here (Not a message board link parade here. Especially with a six-month old piece.) Thanks. –Joe
February 26th, 2015 at 9:31 pm
i really think the nfl heads and media are trying desperately for mariota to get the 1 pick.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:33 pm
Joe’s right – whether you want the Bucs to draft Winston or Mariotta, this is NOT journalism, but rather self-serving commercialism designed to keep the flames fanned, despite what Lovie has actually said.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Required reading for mr goodbread:
http://chopchat.com/2015/02/22/erica-kinsman-jameis-winston-drugged/
February 26th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Gruden on Winston:
“He’s a dynamic kid,” Gruden said. “You don’t go to Florida State and meet many people that don’t love being around Winston. He is a polarizing player for some. Some people can’t agree on what he is off the field. I’ve got a lot of confidence that he’s learned some valuable lessons and he knows he’s going to be in the spotlight for the rest of his career. It’s up to him to get it done.”
February 26th, 2015 at 9:39 pm
I saw this coming like a train in the distance.
It will peak right at the draft.
Yeah. Look out. It’s going to get very political.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:40 pm
Gruden on Mariota:
“If you don’t like Marcus Mariota, you don’t like human beings,” Gruden said.
The one common criticism of Mariota is that he spent his college career playing in a spread offense. Gruden said he’s not worried about that.
“He’s not the offensive coordinator,” Gruden said. “It’s not his fault. What they do at Oregon is very unique. That type of football is on its way to the NFL. You’re seeing more and more no-huddle offenses. You see a lot of intermediate passes from 10 yards and in, which is a big part of Oregon.
“When you watch Philadelphia [which is coached by former Oregon coach Chip Kelly] play offense, you see the Oregon Ducks. The No. 1 offense in football the last two years is Philadelphia. So the system works. Mariota can play in that system. Somebody is going to see a (6-foot-4) quarterback with 4.5 speed. This guy is quick, he’s smart, he’s the most humble, hard-working guy maybe in this draft. I want him on my team. I’ll put my system in around him. I think personally Marcus Mariota can play in any system.”
February 26th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
What about the story on that same website that says acusser lawyer wanted insurance policy on winston his last year of college football. This is also the lawyer that said her client wouldn’t sleep w jameis bc he’s black although she was dating another black guy from different college. I’m sorry but the more this girl talks and keeps changing things from her accounts I don’t see anyway how it’s possible that she’s making the whole thing thing up
February 26th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Quarterbacks Gruden loved
Josh Johnson
Rob Johnson
Josh Freman
Johnny “Rehab” Manziel
Glad Gruden took us to the Superbowl but his opinion on QB’s mean nothing to me.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Cosby RAPE baby did it. End of story.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Its crazy because everyone knew of this documentary months in advance. Does anyone practice real journalism anymore??
February 26th, 2015 at 9:51 pm
You’ve completely misrepresented Joe here. Can’t do that.–Joe
February 26th, 2015 at 9:51 pm
For the record, as many of you already know, Im in the Trade down crowd. I am just trying to add perspective that Joe won’t
February 26th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
Joe, as an FSU fan I am use to the media bashing Jameis on a regular basis. Welcome to the club. But he will always rise above. Can’t wait to see him bring the Lombardi trophy back to Tampa! Go bucs
February 26th, 2015 at 9:52 pm
What everyone that is defending Winston is absolutely failing on is the FACT that there is a lawsuit still. It’s not over. If you think it is you haven’t educated yourself or you’re refusing to acknowledge what is happening. The girl and FSU are going to court because of FSU’s investigation. Jameis Winston can easily be pulled back into this (and civilly charged) That’s why Lovie and Licht kept saying “so far what we know” “with the information we have right now” etc. that IS cautious optimism. WAKEUP!
February 26th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Not the mention the pic that’s surfaced of the two dancing hell it looks like she’s even giving him a kiss. Must b the drink he spiked but wait the test came back w no drugs in her system
February 26th, 2015 at 9:53 pm
Luther Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Quarterbacks Gruden loved
Josh Johnson
Rob Johnson
Josh Freman
Johnny “Rehab” Manziel
Glad Gruden took us to the Superbowl but his opinion on QB’s mean nothing to me.
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Yet if he were lauding Winston you would be saying that a SB winning Coach for the Bucs wants Your choice for QB as well
SMH
February 26th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Not sure I’d call having insufficient evidence for a conviction being cleared. In fact, it sounds like most of the prosecution believes “something bad happened” they just couldn’t prove it.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Atta boy Joe. Way to take up for your future Buccaneers quarterback. We who support and prefer Winston as the Bucs QB choice and have bothered to actually investigate the facts regarding his “character concerns” feel compelled to do the same thing daily on JBF threads. In most every case – it comes down to sheer ignorance of the facts by those who speak negatively of Winston. I’m sick of the negativity based on a false narrative of this kid. He’s made some bad decisions to be sure – but the negative perceptions based on mostly on falsehoods and especially the outright slander against Jameis that occurs everyday here on this very website by ignorant commentors just gets very, very old.
February 26th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
I guess If I were posting on a site where geographically more people were Mariota fans then I would get attacked as equally for not wanting either and pointing out weakness’?
February 26th, 2015 at 9:58 pm
Luke Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:55 pm
Not sure I’d call having insufficient evidence for a conviction being cleared. In fact, it sounds like most of the prosecution believes “something bad happened” they just couldn’t prove it.
……………………
OH snap now you are going to be attacked in 3.2.1
February 26th, 2015 at 10:00 pm
SuperSam Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 9:30 pm
Welcome to Tampa Mariota, Winston doesn’t fit in with what Lovie wants from his leader. Great article on Mariota right here (Not a message board link parade here. Especially with a six-month old piece.) Thanks. –Joe
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Dude ……Don’t show Joe up in front of us minions.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:02 pm
@knuckledragger
I have never trusted Gruden’s opinion about QB’s. He loves Winston too and I’ve never posted anything remotely praising it. He tried to replace Garcia and Brad Johnson and they were the most successful QB’s he had here. He also passed on Rodgers so his opinion means nothing. I do however love to watch his QB show because he does good things with them. I just don’t listen to his final analysis.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Big man on campus and the drunk groupie who felt ashamed when the roommate walked in.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:08 pm
@Luther……If this is your true point of view then I apologize for coining you that way
February 26th, 2015 at 10:09 pm
” I’m sick of the negativity based on a false narrative of this kid. He’s made some bad decisions to be sure – but the negative perceptions based on mostly on falsehoods and especially the outright slander against Jameis that occurs everyday here on this very website by ignorant commentors just gets very, very old.”
There’s still a court case involving the investigation. An Active case. A chance that Jameis gets pulled back in. What if we take him and he gets pulled back in? You don’t think that affects our team? My guess is he’s innocent. But don’t think for a second that it’s over. If it wasn’t for this I would want him on our team. This movie is a PR nightmare for him and the activist groups have timed it perfectly. Just like Peterson they won’t let it go. This negative media attention isn’t good. Expect more of these type of articles between now and the draft.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
Cmon man. How many Jameis articles are we gonna do a day.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:11 pm
@Winston haters
This ish must end now! Has any of you numnuts ever heard of the story of Brian Banks or
Marcus Dixon?? Its more of them to I’ll just start with those two
February 26th, 2015 at 10:12 pm
budnbeers Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 10:04 pm
Big man on campus and the drunk groupie who felt ashamed when the roommate walked in.
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OK dude. You are overstepping the line when even Winston and his buddies admitted they had videoed it yet the video is ‘destroyed’
You guys crack me up with this stuff
CAN’t WE just Talk about what IS instead of what might have been.
And as a disclaimer I am Not a Winston supporter.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Jameis Winston is absolutely 100% not getting drafted by the Bucs at #1. Anyone who thinks otherwise (including analysts) is out of their minds. And I don’t hate Winston; I just like Mariota alot more)…. In the world of public relations, Perception rules the day. Embrace Mariota, guys, because he will be our new QB. You can take that to the bank.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:14 pm
Winston has some skills to be a decent quarterback, but its looking more and more like there is just to much on Winstons plate for Lovie and Licht to stomach. First the off the field garbage “immaturity”, then the shoulder stuff, now he wants to play baseball too, what next? No prospect is worth this much trouble I don’t care how great he can run a pro style offense.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:15 pm
That settles it. If I were the Glazers, I would hire a hypnotist, and during their Q&A session with Winston put him under hypnosis. Then ask him that one most important question that everyone is dying to know?
Are you going to play baseball too? lol
February 26th, 2015 at 10:16 pm
Its pretty typical for a Winston article.the author obviously has done zero research and knows little about sexual battery cases.
Hundreds if not thousands of pages are readily available concerning the incident I feel sure the bucs have reviewed them already. There are statements in her own writing.
This guy acts as if it is something new. Case is from 2012.
Same story that no one found credible because her version changes every time she tells it
and differs from what her own friends say happened.
Never charged. No finding of a conduct violation.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:17 pm
87, I was thinking about changing my jersey color to red, but u can actually keep it as the white new style…. Size Lg. Thanks
February 26th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
Wish they’d hypnotize Lovie to figure out what the hell he was thinking signing “The Ghost,” Josh McCown and Anthony Collins.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:22 pm
And there are conflicting reports on the shoulder, some say its nothing, others say it could be a serious long term problem. That’s a big gamble for ” The most important pick in franchise history”.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
JOE………Since you are here please answer my question of why Sometimes my name is Red and mostly Black.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:26 pm
Erik – so glad that you have the confirmed choice due to your inside knowledge of the Bucs draft board. Impressive. Wait, you are clueless. Idiot.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
I wish some of you stop talking about this bumb Mariota smh. I saw him play live he has no qb feel. I mean he’s faster than the time he ran at the combine when he plays on a football field. If that’s what you’ll want as a qb I guess to each his own I
February 26th, 2015 at 10:28 pm
C’mon…talk about generating clicks…this is just story one in the push back towards Mariota. By the end, none of the original pro-Kid Fameis crowd, nor any of the original pro-Mariota crowd, will be swayed by any of the propaganda being strewn about the interwebs or print media.
…now, some in the middle, you will start put favoring one, then swayed to the other, and by the end…none of you will care which QB gets picked – or possibly some of you will be so sick of another 60 days of this…that you’ll simply prefer the guy with the least amount of drama (I can understand that sentiment).
I am an original Mariota backer – but because I am of the belief that on a purely technical/practical basis – we’re going to acknowledge that the volume of talent no longer is coming out of college with even a BASIC understanding of a “pro-style” offense, or the requirements of their position as it translates to an NFL “pro-style” offense. Several teams have converted to a spread-heavy/wco hybrid – acknowledging that it’s becoming too expensive to force these draftee’s into an NFL pro-style role – and deciding instead to change the NFL to fit the players.
So this story is not resonating with me – I’m not sure if there is anything to it – and I don’t know which party is lying, nor do I care anymore. My mind was made up, this is designed to only cause doubt amongst the faithful, which I have never been.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
OMG – how are some you ever going to live this down since you have dug your anti-Winston holes so deep.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:29 pm
The case against the university is a titleIX action.
No way for jameis to get “pulled in” to that.
Im sure the bucs have a strong legal team and any first year law student can see she has no chance of winning it. The University President has documented 20 occassions where they. Tried to contact the girl and she did not cooperate.
And she has no damages because she lost the student conduct hearing before the Supreme Court Justice where she was given every opportunity to prove her claim, with counsel.
That case is going nowhere.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:30 pm
The Glazers will not allow Jameis as the Bucs 1st pick….
February 26th, 2015 at 10:33 pm
Damn you Joe for not answering me unless I don’t want you to.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:35 pm
Had we had hypnotized the rock star to drive far out of town six years ago we wouldn’t be in this horrific mess now.
Go Lovie.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:36 pm
Gruden, Dungy, Jim Mora, and Chip Kelly.. What do they all have in common?? That’s right!! NFL MEN IN THE KNOW!!!! Those so called experts are being lazy and basically copycatting each others notes. How many times are we gonna hear the term “NFL READY”?? NFL personal and coaches wanna know the following from a rookie.. 1) is the player coachable? 2) does he have a high ceiling? 3) is he gonna give all his energy and time on mastering his craft?
Did we see Winston shout at his coaches during the Oregon game? Did we see Jimbo Fisher threaten to bench his ass if he didn’t do things his way? Do we know Winston is done with baseball and 100% committed to football? Does Winston have high character?
Brainwash all you want and Winston supporters keep calling Mariota backers stupid. At this point it doesn’t matter. But recognize this, when America was polled on ESPN who would they rather have as their QB it was a landslide in favor of Mariota! Landslide!! Not even close!! Only here in Florida are we finding this 50/50 split (excluding this site) Let me finish by saying I know Winston can sling it! I know Winston can grow up! I know he is smart on the whiteboard!! It’s time for all the Winston jock sniffers and FSU apoligist to acknowledge that Mariota can also do it all without all the baggage and all the diva crap. Winston carries the greater risk end of conversation. He might become a better pro, but he might not, but he is without a doubt the bigger risk whether Winston lovers will ever admit that or not. I’ll put my faith that the NFL men we have making the decision will do what they feel is best for the organization, and in the end I will support whoever they pick. I’m a fan 1st… All you Winston jock sniffers should try and open up your minds for just a minute and know that when it comes to this pick anything is possible..
February 26th, 2015 at 10:39 pm
Why are you surprised. You knew Winston was going to get bad publicity. This is only the beginning. Wait until he is drafted.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:42 pm
“The state attorney’s office wasn’t notified of the allegation until 11 months after the incident, and state attorney Willie Meggs concedes in the film that he believes something “bad” happened at Winston’s apartment, but that insufficient proof prevented a prosecution.”
February 26th, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Here’s what good ‘ol Jason Licht said Jameis Winston:
“But I’d be lying if I said I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about the off-field stuff,” he said. “It’s always in the back of your mind. We’re people too. We have wives and daughters and bosses to answer to. And at the end of the day we will do the kind of due diligence the likes of which I don’t believe the Bucs will have ever done. This decision is going to affect so many people and their families. We’ve got to get it right.”
HMMMM…
SOUNDS LIKE “CAUTIOUS OPTIMISM” TO ME.
As TBBF would say, “Tokyo Joes”.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
The civil suit will not go away until it is settled one way or another. The previous exonerations of Mr. Winston for the charges are very different in what is charged in a civil case. There will be many sleepless nights by the Bucs brain trust weighing the benefit/risks to taking Mr. Winston and Mr. Marriota with the first pick. It is a choice that will affect the future employment of Lovie and Licht so we will see…
February 26th, 2015 at 10:48 pm
So, now it looks like any article that isn’t a complete ringing endorsement of Winston is a “hatchet job” that warrants an immediate correction.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
The filthiest people in humanity talking about morality? Funny stuff.
Ever look at the crimes of senators?
Ever look at the crimes of congress?
They make players look like saints.
#parasitic hypocrites!!
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_federal_politicans_convicted_of_crimes
February 26th, 2015 at 10:51 pm
29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse,
7 have been arrested for fraud,
19 have been accused of writing bad checks,
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses,
3 have been arrested for assault,
71 have credit reports so bad they can’t qualify for a credit card,
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges,
8 have been arrested for shoplifting,
21 are current defendants in lawsuits,
And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity. (from Capitol Hill Blue)
And these are the People who make Laws that We MUST obey?
Your tax dollars at work!
Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/congress.asp#aWFAL8UqzwAgZERV.99
February 26th, 2015 at 10:52 pm
@Mariota or Winston… Those are Licht’s exact words.. Why is that so hard to translate for people? Families! Daughters! Wives! and Bosses! They have to answer to… Yeah, the Winston pick is such a lock! Lol
February 26th, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Grandstanding douchebags.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:53 pm
ESPN and NFL Network had people wanting Mariota more but its up to management. If the University and/or Police did NOT conduct a thorough investigation then couldn’t the case be reopened? Wouldn’t that be owed to the alleged victim? Winston looks innocent now but I don’t know the law…
February 26th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
chris k Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 10:36 pm
Gruden, Dungy, Jim Mora, and Chip Kelly.. What do they all have in common?? That’s right!!
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All had QB problems? Dungy went To a HOF QB.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
I must ask all of you that think that Mariota even has a BASIC understanding of a Pro offense………………………………..Do you think you do? Were you ever a potential number one draft pick. If you have Ever played football you would know that Mariota is a student of the sport he loves the most to sit and watch football games on Sunday like the rest of us and play Armchair QB. The only diff is he has done it at a high level whereas we have not.
You can’t really criticize properly unless you have a better understanding of what you are criticizing said person of. That is just my opinion though.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
Posey99…. You do realize someone like Manning had a sexual harassment charge that didn’t get settled until years after he was in the league? That does not make him guilty. And this lawsuit against winston is not “pending.” They’ve threatened with a lawsuit but have not moved forward. Yes they are trying to sue the school still, and looking for money. That couldn’t be more obvious.
Winston’s lawyers have made it clear that if sued they will counter sue. There are public documents that the accuser seeked money twice. Her suing is solely for the fact that she is hoping to get money.
February 26th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
You know, Joe, if you’re going to get your panties in a bunch over something like this, you may want to seek a nice looking rock to live under for at least the next 4 years if/when Jameis becomes a Buc.
Cuz, buddy, this is nothing compared to the ACTUAL hatchet jobs that will follow when he starts making millions of dollars playing a backyard game.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:02 pm
Wow that was incredibly well said MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank Says:
February 26th, 2015 at 11:04 pm
It’s a money grab plain and simple. Cleat chaser embarrassed because the cleat had a little extra melanin in the sole.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:06 pm
@chris k
It baffles me how some people attempt to twist WORDS. Sure, anybody, and I mean anybody, can twist numbers to suit their arguments. Hell, people have been doing it here every single day since Winston and Mariota declared for the NFL Draft. But twisting words is a bit more tricky.
Talking about how you think of somebody’s off-field issues in your spare time and then going on to stress the importance of picking the right guy because of the people around you, to me, fits right under the category of “cautiously optimistic”.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:07 pm
Pickgrin, I feel the exact same way about the Winston supporters….. Don’t worry, guys, Mariota will win you over eventually when he is efficiently running the offense from Week 1. I’m calling it now. Remember this during the season when he looks like he could possibly be the greatest Bucs QB ever.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Hey Eric……………You and I have our names in red. I am a “dont draft a QB” and you are against Winston. ]
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
February 26th, 2015 at 11:10 pm
Let this be a lesson to all men. Never rock a woman’s world and then kick her to the curb. That sht drives them crazy. At least let them spend the night, buy them breakfast and let them down gently. And no, I’m not a Winston supporter and would rather see the Bucs draft Mariota, but enough is enough.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
Luther, money grabber cleat chaser = lawsuit as soon as he signs a contract = bad publicity = distraction = too much potential drama for a #1 draft pick QB Face of the Franchise.
Logic = Mariota
February 26th, 2015 at 11:11 pm
@knuckledragger,
Your name is in Red because you are now on ” Double Secret Probation.”
Do not piss off the Joes or you will end up in the ” Never Heard of Again”
world.
You have been warned.
It’s as simple as that.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:12 pm
Erik with CleanAthletics.com Says:
Remember this during the season when he looks like he could possibly be the greatest Bucs QB ever.
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To be fair, you’re not setting the bar real high there.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:13 pm
MariotaOrWinstonOrWalkdaPlank,
I agree that was very well said.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:15 pm
Pick Mariota because Winston might get sued? Makes no sense. Lovie will get fired if he picks Mariota because he won’t produce fast enough on the field if at all.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:16 pm
@knuckledragger
Thanks, man.
And I’m not an expert but I think the red name has to do with a website you are advertising. You said you spend time on another website, right?
Because if you click on, say, Erik with CleanAthletics.com’s name, it will actually take you to CleanAthletics.com.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:22 pm
This site has gone down hill since devoting so much time and articles on a guy that is not and may never be a Buccaneer…. Should just become an FSU fan site or just a JW fan site…. Most articles are about him rather than the TB Bucs…
Don’t blame Joe for the Bucs going 2-14 and winning the Chase for Jameis. It’s not Joe’s fault the Bucs are in position to take a QB at No. 1 overall. But Joe’s not going to ignore exploring all kinds of angles on the guy who likely will be that pick. Lastly, four of the 12 posts on the home page now are, in part, about Winston. That’s hardly most.–Joe
February 26th, 2015 at 11:24 pm
todd mcshay mock draft 3.0 2/26
#1 Jameis Winston Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14)
“Analysis: I’d be very surprised if the Bucs didn’t take a quarterback at No. 1, and both Winston and Mariota are possibilities here. But to me, Winston has a clear advantage over Mariota based on his on-field performance. He is such a natural passer in terms of his ability to anticipate throws and deliver the ball accurately, and, to me, if you limit it to an on-field evaluation, he’s second only to Andrew Luck among QB prospects of the past 10 years. Tampa Bay will have to be comfortable with its character and psychological evaluations of Winston before drafting him No. 1 overall, but from what I’ve heard, Winston really impressed teams during his combine interview sessions with how he talked about his past, and he wowed them with his football IQ. Mariota possesses great physical tools and very good character and football intelligence, and I think he has the potential to develop into a good NFL starter. But to me, Winston is both more advanced now and has the higher ceiling when projecting the future.”
marcus mariota goes #6 to nyjets
February 26th, 2015 at 11:25 pm
As far as I can see Joe is carrying his bias to new heights. I WANT a qb for us. I just dont think that using a no. 1 pick in the draft on a QB is going to make a difference with such a weak foundation in our team. Foundations are in the lines. We have ONE player in EITHER TRENCH that is Elite or even above average
February 26th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
Luther,
The overall point is that the Bucs are not going to bring a guy onto our franchise that is actively & consistently attracting bad press; even if it has been awhile since he’s done something silly. If this story would stay in the past, the Winston supporters might have a slight chance. But, if it is a current pop culture thing, the Bucs will stay far away from it. Trust that.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:28 pm
you can like the second-best qb prospect this year, i will take mr. winston #1.
“he’s (winston) second only to Andrew Luck among QB prospects of the past 10 years.” –todd mcshay
win, it’s in his name
#winninwithwinston #justwinstonbaby
just say no to marcus mediocre
February 26th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
YUP…………………………JOE has me wrongfully classified as an Anti WInstonite as he does you Eric
February 26th, 2015 at 11:31 pm
I guess WE ARE THE RED.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:33 pm
Winston is the only logical pick for the bucs. Lovie and the Bucs need a Winner like Winston far more than Winston needs losers like Lovie and the Bucs. For the 8 or 10 hypocrites who cry all day long on here you will get used to winston. buy his jersey and celebrate his wins while lying to your friends how you have supported him from day one during the super bowl parade winston is leading. write it down…
February 26th, 2015 at 11:34 pm
“I just dont think that using a no. 1 pick in the draft on a QB is going to make a difference with such a weak foundation in our team.”
and mike sando disagrees:
How Tampa Bay can bounce back
Buccaneers could turn things around with Winston as No. 1 pick
1. There is precedent for significant offensive improvement with a quarterback drafted first overall.
2. Dirk Koetter’s addition represents the greatest coordinator upgrade in the league this season.
3. The schedule could be much more favorable for the Buccaneers this season.
4. Lovie Smith’s track record has to count for something.
(obviously it is more in depth but behind a pay wall)
February 26th, 2015 at 11:37 pm
If we did actually draft Winston, I would support him and hope that he has success. But, I don’t see it happening. I truly believe that Mariota is the obvious choice at this point.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:37 pm
red has nothing to do with winston affiliation…
but it is funny how you just blast pro-winstonites, knucklegragger.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
I’ve been saying winston is better than Luck was coming out of Stanford. Its just tickles me how everyone want to put him right behind Luck. Shoutout to mooch for at least giving jameis his full due for his knowledge of the game by saying he was the smartesr “ever”
February 26th, 2015 at 11:38 pm
mariota is the choice for the jets, eagles, maybe rams.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Posey99 Says
“That’s why Lovie and Licht kept saying “so far what we know” “with the information we have right now” etc. that IS cautious optimism. WAKEUP!”
NAILED IT.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
Unfortunately, I saw this coming. It’s not a surprise and there will be more. It simply the nature of the 24/7/365 Cable/Internet media thirst for salacious material.
The Bucs & Winston will continue to have PR problems with this. It’s unfortunate and there isn’t much that can be done. When there is resistance and denial, it simply magnifies the problem. Ignoring it is difficult and tricky….
If the Bucs do decide to go with Winston, they will mount a PR campaign for him the likes of which you have never seen with a Bucs player.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:42 pm
Winston slip to the second round and we draft them both. YES!
Winston ends up winning qb and Marriota becomes our #3 rcv bc of his outstanding athleticism.
#mastermind
February 26th, 2015 at 11:43 pm
I love how she completely changes her story in the docunebtary
February 26th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
Here’s the situational completion percentage for both QBs, according to ESPN Stats & Information:
Mariota overall: 68.3
Winston overall: 65.3
Mariota inside the pocket: 72.2
Winston inside the pocket: 66.2
Mariota 15 yards or more: 54.4
Winston 15 yards or more: 43.6
Mariota from shotgun or pistol: 68.2
Winston from shotgun or pistol: 64.9
Mariota when blitzed: 71.6
Winston when blitzed: 63.2
Mariota’s numbers look better across the board, even though Winston’s numbers are still good. I know, I know, Mariota only made “easy throws” to “wide open receivers” blah blah, and of course the Winstonistas can respond with any number of qualifiers to explain why Mariota’s numbers are pure fool’s gold and Winston is still the better passer.
Just food for thought. The debate, as usual, rages on.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:45 pm
Her lawyer really wants that $10 million she’s been asking for
February 26th, 2015 at 11:47 pm
She completely changes her story and here congress the REALLY bad publicity. Bucs stay far away. Guaranteed. Give it up, Winston supporters.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:47 pm
HOW the hell Am I blasting “Pro Winstonites” Lurker?
I am blasting Joe if anything.
Getting defensive Again ?
February 26th, 2015 at 11:48 pm
Here *comes the really bad publicity….congress lol
February 26th, 2015 at 11:49 pm
I have asked numerous times why the red vs black and get no answers so I thought I would creatively assume. LMAO
February 26th, 2015 at 11:52 pm
Joe, not long ago you made the claim that the Buvs need drama. THIS is the sort of drama you will get with Winston.
If you believe it will stop after the draft, you are wrong. Your peers in the press will leap on every chance to rag on Winston…and it will always reflect poorly on the team that drafts him. Especially when he is included in a civil suit.
But hey, jut like Freeman, just like MRSA, drama is “good” right?
February 26th, 2015 at 11:53 pm
Excuse the typos. Tablet.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
@senor mofo
You realize that johnny football that lead the nation in total qbr from the pocket right? I’m going to tell you like I told johnny fans last year that stat is misleading because of the amount of short passes he threw and every defense was designed to keep him in the pocket
February 26th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Red names appear when you enter a website address in the proper field. That’s all it is.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:55 pm
Winning solves ALL problems.
It’s as simple as that.
Draft Winston.
Problem solved.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
put something in the “website” box, name is red
it is just a identifier of a hyperlink.
February 26th, 2015 at 11:59 pm
Trust me…..this is just the beginning….it’s going to get real nasty.
This film legitimizes the accuser by placeing her amoung many other accusers/victims. She may not deserve to be there but she is and is not going away….this is perahps her launchpoint for other publicity.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:02 am
sorry knuckle, should have said defend barry who blasts winston personally though he never met the man.
barry has never saved a kitten in his life…lol
but, he did steal the car!
February 27th, 2015 at 12:07 am
As I was listening to dawg today, who seemed to be in the middle of a spat with Joe, I was delighted that my own thoughts were echoed by a couple callers, including the morality issue.
If the Bucs draft Winston, I will try to be “cautiously optimistic”, but I fully expect contoversy to rear it’s ugly head.
I suspect the MGM would grow in size by game 4.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:10 am
lemon, it’s in mike glennon!
February 27th, 2015 at 12:11 am
This is a distraction and distractions are not good….sure they can be overcome, but teams are far better off if they are free to focus on Football…..
It may not keep the Bucs from drafting Winston but it won’t go away for quite some time.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:18 am
If we think some Buc fans will have difficulty with Winston…..imagine how opposing team fans will react……sure, why should we care what opponents think….but, it’s just another PR nightmare rearing it’s ugly head perahps at most away games.
Not sure anyone has raised that point…..when you look at national opinion polls on the twe QBs Mariota dominates….sure, it’s meaningless…..on the field…..but media will focus on the negative when given the opportunity.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:19 am
She said she was at a party, where she was hit in the head, knocked out and raped.
The truth: She and her friends met Jameis and his friends at Potbelly’s, a local club. She went back to Jameis’s apartment with him. There were witnesses.
She said accused was 5’11 – 6’1 black man and didn’t know who he was
Jameis is 6’4 and they had already met.
She said she was drugged (rufies?) and drunk.
Toxicology reports show no drugs, and minimal alcohol.
She said she was raped.
Rape kit says otherwise.
She said she had sex with no one else that day.
The truth: Two semen samples were found on her panties.
She asked her friend to say that the panties were hers (hers, being her friend’s)
She said she did not have a boyfriend.
The truth: She did; another athlete in another town. The second semen sample belonged to him.
Her aunt/attorney said she would never willingly sleep with Jameis because she doesn’t date “black boys.”
The truth: her boyfriend was black.
There were two witnesses to the consensual sex. Jameis’s roommates. They walked in on Jameis and her. She was on top (hardly a position of submission) and yelled: “Get the fuck out!”
She waited TWENTY months to file a title IX complaint.
And people wonder why Tally PD or the State DA or the FSU Board of Review didn’t think this was worth their time
Unplug the phone and DRAFT WINSTON.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:21 am
Better on and off the field, period… We don’t need a circus like NYJ or Dallas…
February 27th, 2015 at 12:27 am
Lots of QBs have been drafted in the first round. Some have had issues, some have been clean as a whistle. Some have succeeded, many have failed, and a few have become elite.
Fans can debate, the media can debate, scouts and analysts can debate.
But this will still be an organizational decision, and will still be based on:
1. The Buccaneers’ full and fair evaluation of the prospects.
2. The Buccaneers’ long-term vision for the franchise.
There will be smokescreens, trade rumors, distractions, wild speculation, and frequent changes of opinion.
But unless something significant happens between now and April 30, we likely will not know who the pick is going to be until Roger Goodell steps up to the podium and says “With the first overall pick in the 2015 NFL draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select . . .”
February 27th, 2015 at 12:30 am
i never really knew much about the actual details surrounding Winston and the investigation into the rape incident, pretty much just what I had heard and seen on the news and on the radio, but the more I read now, the more troubled I become. After reading this NYTimes article, I have serious questions about whether it’s wise to hitch our wagon to him. Was the rape allegation actually thoroughly investigated, or was Winston sheltered because of who he is? Now I’m not sure what to believe!
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0
February 27th, 2015 at 12:31 am
Randy Gregory
February 27th, 2015 at 12:32 am
Dam it jeaggan. Lol.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:33 am
Can’t shake the feeling that at 8:01pm well hear a collective sigh followed by numerous WTFs. Think Charles Simms.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:36 am
@Senor Mofo
1. The Buccaneers’ full and fair evaluation of the prospects.
2. The Buccaneers’ long-term vision for the franchise.
Absolutely agree….especially with point 2…..long-term
I believe most of the Mocks think Bucs/Lovie are desperate for “win-now” NFL ready…….and I think they are dead wrong on that point.
If they thought Glazers are giving Lovie & Licht time, like I do….their choice would change
February 27th, 2015 at 12:37 am
@jeagan
I suggest trying multiple sources. Multiple articles from the same source same have common story lines ie Jameis Watch. Try clicking on 5-10 different sources then reassess if needed.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:43 am
bullspit
marcus mediocre is not anywhere near as good as mr. winston is on the field. quit spreading your lies.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:43 am
Tbbf
Good point. It’s possible he becomes another Warrick Dunn and starts giving away houses too. #FSU #1
February 27th, 2015 at 12:46 am
WS99…I’ve looked at other articles too…most are not as detailed as the one I refferenced. I’ll continue to look at other sources, but I don’t think this story is going away. Doesn’t mean I can say he did it or didn’t….just that it’s going to be something to deal with and it could be a major distraction.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:47 am
@WS99
Miss the days of Dunn & Alstott….
Sure, an image can be repaired significantly with public service…and I don’t doubt that Winston will make great sincere efforts to support loacal causes.
Dunn was outstanding….
February 27th, 2015 at 12:48 am
here is the counter to the nytimes hitpiece, jeagan
http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/
so do more reading.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:51 am
Joe-
Any whispers on Winston’s wonderlic score yet? Mariota? Should leak soon…
Peyton Manning was 28. Russell Wilson 26 Phillip Rivers was 30.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:00 am
Tebow scored a 22. Cam scored a 21, Ryan Fitzpatrick scored a 48.
Not defending either QB. Just not sure what Wonderlich has to do with it.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:02 am
Damnit…………….My name is still in Red.Tonight is the first time it has ever showed in red and now it is ALWAYS in red.
Maybe I should change it……lol
February 27th, 2015 at 1:10 am
A lot of Winstonistas are disturbed because the New York Times is apparently more skilled at investigation than the Tallahassee Police Department.
And they should be disturbed. Because if Winston had done nothing wrong, and if the Tallahassee Police had conducted a thorough investigation, as they are beholden to the taxpayers to do, this wouldn’t even be a story.
Ah, but it remains a story.
And even if it all boiled down to nothing more than Winston simply having his friends videotape a consensual sexual encounter between himself and his accuser, it still speaks to his narcissistic, arrogant, “look at me” personality. It is still a character concern.
Winston is a powder keg. He’s volatile, and he could blow up in this team’s face at any point.
Lovie didn’t even want to be on “Hard Knocks.” Why would he openly invite the relentless public and media scrutiny that will follow the drafting of Jameis Winston?
February 27th, 2015 at 1:13 am
Hello?
February 27th, 2015 at 1:14 am
Nope, didnt work. Just as red as some team in Washington DC that has a lawsuit against it
February 27th, 2015 at 1:17 am
knuckle, it has been explained to you…you have something in the box named “website.”
when you leave reply you need your name, mail, and there is a box for “website”. make sure that there is nothing in that box. place your cursor in the box and delete what is there.
or maybe you are marked by the joes like a scarlet letter.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:19 am
Lurker….thanks for the link to the story. It’s interesting, and it does raise some interesting points…but there is also a fair amount of assumptions and interpretations that I don’t know stand up to scrutiny. Besides Winston, the girl and his roommates…I don’t know if anyone else will ever know for sure the full story of what happened in that apartment that night. I suppose as in most “he said, she said” situations there will be people on both sides that believe their own interpretations of what really went on. One thing is for sure…this story will be around for a while. I just hope that if we do take Winston, it doesn’t turn out to be a huge distraction.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:20 am
and erica kinsman’s attorney (aunt) patricia cornwell tried to extort $7 million from jameis winston and wanted an insurance policy on him in case of injury. but money is not the motive, huh?
where is the nytimes detective work then?
February 27th, 2015 at 1:25 am
that is your evaluation of his character senior mofo. he is confident and brash. players want that. sorry you are not confident and try to condemn people who are and consider that a negative…lmao
funny how people think it is cocky as a negative and that it will hinder his interviews with coaches and gm’s…but that is not what happened. he was great in all his interviews. so the anti-winstonites were wrong again.
hmmmmmmmmmm…who was the person that interviews people “for a living” and tried to say winston would fail his interviews? smh
February 27th, 2015 at 1:29 am
Lurker……………Let me have just a little bit of fun in the midst of the whole Winston/Mariota thing. Those that know me by my real name know Im just messing around. So does Joe. That’s why he won’t answer I think
OH WELL
TRADE DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2015 at 1:31 am
And while we are on a JOE subject, WTF is up with the time stamp??
Is it 1:30 where you are at Lurker?
If so then you are swimming somewhere towards Bermuda.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:35 am
@lurker
Most people have only even known about Jameis Winston for two years. If you are willing to chalk everything that has surfaced about him during that brief period to nothing more than immaturity and naivete, then you are the one who is naive.
The Buccaneers cannot wave a magic wand and make his personality issues disappear.
I’m outside the U.S. right now, but I think that documentary opens in New York and L. A., the country’s largest media markets, tomorrow, right?
The scrutiny will build and build. Like I said, if Lovie thinks “Hard Knocks” is too much of a distraction, just wait.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:36 am
the time has been off. i believe it is the daylight savings that is causing it.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:42 am
Peace out Lurker. Keep the Bucs fight strong with an EVEN perspective!!.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:43 am
Sr MO FO.
You have strong debating points. Regardless, there are storms to weather unfortunately.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:43 am
just silly.
i’m naive because i counter your preposterous claims?
you say: “…the New York Times is apparently more skilled at investigation than the Tallahassee Police Department.”
here you go:
http://chopchat.com/2014/12/24/heres-new-york-times-isnt-telling/
you say: “having his friends videotape a consensual sexual encounter between himself and his accuser…”
where did you read that winston had his friends record it? you made that up.
you say: “…it still speaks to his narcissistic, arrogant, “look at me” personality.”
flawed because you made up the first part. talk about arrogant and narcissistic.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:44 am
adios knuckle.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:56 am
@lurker
Jameis Winston was running around as an adult getting in BB-gun fights and stealing soda from Burger King and crab legs from Publix.
These are things you do when you are 14 or 15, not when you are an adult college student who knows good and well you have an NFL career in front of you, and that everyone will be scrutinizing what you do.
When half of your own campus, and most of the country, is wondering if you might be an outright rapist, you don’t jump up on a table and yell what he did.
His judgment off the field is more than suspect. It indicates either a complete lack of awareness of, or complete indifference to, his circumstances.
That will be a problem.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:11 am
Senor Mofo Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 1:10 am
A lot of Winstonistas are disturbed because the New York Times is apparently more skilled at investigation than the Tallahassee Police Department.
And even if it all boiled down to nothing more than Winston simply having his friends videotape a consensual sexual encounter between himself and his accuser, it still speaks to his narcissistic, arrogant, “look at me” personality. It is still a character concern.
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Well once again – a negative opinion of Winston is accompanied by ignorance of as well as mis-statement of the known facts.
The NYT article is a flat out hit piece. It intentionally leaves out key pieces of known evidence that exonerate Winston while telling the story of what supposedly happened – because it doesn’t fit their false narrative. There is too much to go into by trying to list here w/ supporting info and evidence – but suffice to say that the NYT has compromised their journalistic integrity in this case and opted instead for sensationalism.
Regarding Winston “having his friends videotape a consensual sexual encounter” – Winston had nothing to do with that. Winston’s roommate took some video with his phone of Jameis and Erica having sex without anyone’s permission. Winston’s door was broken and would not close properly or lock and Winston’s roommate and friend were outside his room messing with them while they were trying to have privacy. This included taking some video of what they were doing through the cracked door and he later walked in on them as well. While very uncool and childish – this was how Winston’s friends knew that the encounter was consensual. because they saw what happened. This included Erica going down on Winston before they started having sex as well as her being on top of him while having sex.
Additionally I have seen people say – well then why did Winston erase the very video that would have proved his innocence? The answer is that Winston DIDN’T erase the video. His friend and fellow football player Chris erased the video that he took on his phone 2 days later. Probably because it was illegal for him to have done what he did without permission from Winston and Erica.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:23 am
@ seniormofo
“These are things you do when you are 14 or 15, not when you are an adult college student who knows good and well you have an NFL career in front of you, and that everyone will be scrutinizing what you do.”
that is your opinion. sorry if you have not partied or done foolish things. you obviously know little of psychology.
and this:
“When half of your own campus, and most of the country, is wondering if you might be an outright rapist…”
is just flat out untrue. but just keep making assumptions and making things up to try and prove your point.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:38 am
Senor Mofo Says:
“The Buccaneers cannot wave a magic wand and make his personality issues disappear.”
Nearly every team and the media LOVED his personality at the combine. Just as most people that have ever run into Jameis have said long before the combine about his “personality”. I don’t wtf you’re talking about with this gibberish….
Senor Mofo Says:
February 27th, 2015 at 1:56 am
“@lurker
Jameis Winston was running around as an adult getting in BB-gun fights and stealing soda from Burger King and crab legs from Publix.
These are things you do when you are 14 or 15, not when you are an adult college student who knows good and well you have an NFL career in front of you, and that everyone will be scrutinizing what you do.”
Yet he and OTHER college student’s WERE adults shooting BB guns and stealing soda from ketchup cups at Burger King. There was other adults involved, not just 14 year olds to 15 year olds. I call this you making too much out of nothing.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:39 am
@Pickgrin
Winston’s rape allegation, in and of itself, and the media treatment of that allegation, are not going to make or break whether or not we draft Winston.
The Buccaneers’ private investigators will likely do a more thorough job, unfortunately, than the Tallahassee PD, and hopefully a better job than any media outlet.
But the possibility of continued public scrutiny, backlash, and distraction over that allegation is a factor. And it will continue.
Lovie has been burned by guys with issues. This franchise has been burned by guys with issues. No one will forget those past experiences in this evaluation process.
It’s the number one pick we’re talking about. Sure, talent trumps all else in the NFL, but both of these guys have elite talent. Some people’s idea that Winston’s off-field issues will be casually and summarily dismissed is absurd.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:41 am
A few players and friends (19 year olds) get together and shoot bb guns.
A few friends (19 yr olds) and Jameis steal soda from ketchup cups at Burger King.
Boy what a haunting past to have to deal with.
No wonder why this kid feels no pressure….why bother with such petty nonsense.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:42 am
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:
Yet he and OTHER college student’s WERE adults shooting BB guns and stealing soda from ketchup cups at Burger King. There was other adults involved, not just 14 year olds to 15 year olds. I call this you making too much out of nothing.
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Were those OTHER adults sure-fire picks to be a top-five NFL draft pick?
February 27th, 2015 at 2:43 am
Senor Mofo…will the Bucs do a better job than the FBI and the DOJ?
February 27th, 2015 at 2:47 am
@lurker
that is your opinion. sorry if you have not partied or done foolish things. you obviously know little of psychology.
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I’ve partied plenty, and done plenty of foolish things.
But then, I wasn’t a year or two away from being a top five NFL pick.
Also, when I did those things, it wouldn’t be all over the internet before I’d even slept off my hangover.
Context, my friend, context.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:50 am
87ForWinstonNOMariota Says:
Senor Mofo…will the Bucs do a better job than the FBI and the DOJ?
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I’d like to say no.
But unless Jameis Winston will be playing for either the FBI or DOJ football teams, then probably yes.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:04 am
well, context says he will be drafted in the top 5, no matter what you say or believe.
sorry you feel the need to condemn a young man who has a had life experiences that will not jeopardize his draft status. it is a shame the lies, defamation, and extortion that mr. winston is facing.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:05 am
Well then I’m pretty sure the Bucs already have every bit as much info as the FBI and the DOJ have about the case and the “cover up”.
I don’t think anything else is going to come up with this kid the rest of way.
Good night JBF”s.
February 27th, 2015 at 3:19 am
@lurker Says:
well, context says he will be drafted in the top 5, no matter what you say or believe.
sorry you feel the need to condemn a young man who has a had life experiences that will not jeopardize his draft status. it is a shame the lies, defamation, and extortion that mr. winston is facing.
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Of course he will be drafted in the top five. That was my whole point about his lack of judgment.
Winston has elite talent, and he knows it. But he hasn’t let that sink in, because his behavior suggests that either he thinks he’s above it all, and thinks he can get away with anything because all will be forgiven, or he just doesn’t care one way or the other, and maybe he’ll get serious later, when he’s ready to get serious.
You know, at just the right time.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:23 am
I’m sure a lot of you have been to amusement parks, and ridden roller coasters. I’m sure a lot of you also have nieces or nephews, or sons or daughters.
Here in Mexico City, Six Flags has a boomerang-style coaster, as they have at many of their parks. I have a little niece that loves these boomerang coasters.
The other day, I was thinking two things:
1. Who would I trust, between Mariota and Winston, to take my niece to Six Flags? and;
2. Who would I trust, between Mariota and Winston, to accurately complete a pass to her from the ground as that boomerang coaster made its outside swing on the second loop?
In both cases, Mariota was the answer.
Winston will have a roller coaster career, and picking him number one will come back and hit you in the face like a boomerang. And you damn sure ain’t gonna trust him with your niece.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:31 am
that is just silly.
winston has way better quarterbacking skills than mariota. smh
it would be best to get your niece away from the drug cartels that plague the country, including mexico city.
see, i can say silly things too, doesn’t make it a good opinion.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:54 am
@lurker
Winston has a bigger arm than Mariota. Winston makes better anticipation throws.
That’s it.
In almost all other categories of QB evaluation, I’m taking Mariota.
Mariota makes quicker decisions, has a cleaner delivery, quicker release, and overall better accuracy. He’s by far the better athlete, and has no off-field issues.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have no installed offense at the moment. They have positioned themselves to select either guy.
I don’t even buy the stupid “win-now” argument. Because no team that has the first pick is in a position to “win now”. If they were, they wouldn’t have that pick.
Winston is a prototypical drop-back passer. That is the limit of his skill set. He’s good, and he’s better than we’ve ever had, but that is his limit.
For Winston to win early in his NFL career, he has to play at a superior level in an average offense.
Mariota can win by using his athleticism and passing accuracy and playing at his average level in a dynamic scheme.
We are in a position to craft our offense around either guy. So, do we craft an average offense and hope Winston lights it up? Or, do we actually get innovative and creative for once in 40 years, knowing that Mariota can run that offense effectively on his worst day, and then watch as we get better and better?
February 27th, 2015 at 5:23 am
wow, then you disagree with most experts, including todd mcshay who has winston as the best qb prospect since luck. winston has higher football iq, better arm, doesn’t get hurt, makes throws with men in his face or draped on him, better accuracy. the only thing hindering winston is some off-the-field decisions.
mariota needs a specific system. we do not have the receivers to run that system. koetter has never run that system in college or the pro’s. mariota runs fast but gets sacked a ton.
your opinion is that the prostyle is an average offense…silly. you just say things to try and fit your beliefs. you take the better qb, that is winston. wilson made a bad pass that cost them the superbowl. that is what a spread qb does.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:48 am
@lurker
Todd McShay’s credentials include being an intern to a scout for a year and then declaring himself a football analyst for a start-up publication. Just because you’ve heard his name a lot doesn’t make him an expert.
In fact, there are no “experts.” Draft picks are hit-or-miss more often than not, no matter how high they are selected.
This pick is a long-term football and business decision for the Glazers. They might get it right, they might get it wrong.
From a talent perspective, I don’t think you can go wrong with either guy. From a business perspective, you can go very wrong here.
February 27th, 2015 at 5:50 am
Not sure if it means anything that I believe that Chase Goodbread just so happens to have worked as a reporter covering the Crimson Tide and lives in that area.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:45 am
Really JOE Jason didn’t say his off the field stuff is always in the back of my mind we all have daughter and wife’s. Is that expressing cation. It’s just starting joe get use to it.
February 27th, 2015 at 7:52 am
It a he said she said case it’s who you Want to believe. It needs to be dropped!!! He was found innocent. Just because the girl keeps saying she was raped doesn’t mean she was. So all you idiots who want to believe she wasjust because she is a girl and calls herself a rape victim with no evidence then go ahead but you are all foolish. Also Winston seems really worried doesn’t he? No he doesn’t because he knows the truth.
February 27th, 2015 at 8:04 am
The girl wasn’t a rape victim she a dummy trying to scam a buck and she needs to go crawl in the hole she came from.
February 27th, 2015 at 8:25 am
^^^^^^
CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ?
February 27th, 2015 at 8:54 am
Jameis was NOT CLEARED of wrongdoing. They simply did not have enough evidence to do proceed. Big difference i n “cleared” and “not enough evidence”. Part of the issue in the lack of evidence was due to all parties involved in clearing the case. The PD grossly mishandled the case as did FSU who wanted to sweep this under the rug or at the very least, leave it on the back burner until their championship run was done.
As a matter of fact the ONLY thing ” clear” about this case was Winston’s support by PD and FSU in trying to cover and prolong this case as long as they could. Ironic you fault the article in question for stretching the truth, yet Joe tries to stretch the truth in a different direction.
February 27th, 2015 at 8:56 am
I expect all these blind Winston fans to fully support Mariota after he is selected. Lurker I expect you and some of the other FSU bandwagon to be at front of line. If we do pick him oh what a fun Summer in Civil court it will be for Winston. I expect him to settle out of court to minimize because of course he is not guilty of anything.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:01 am
As I’ve stated before, the problem is not with INDIVIDUAL things Jameis did (soda, bb guns, crab legs, obscenity in public etc.) The issues TOGETHER, creating a pattern are the bigger issue here. He continued to misstep all while already having a bright spotlight on him. The pro Winston guys who continue to defend him chalk up the individual events to “kids being kids”, but the reality is, if this was a friend of your own child, you wouldnt want your child associating with a kid who is constantly getting in trouble. You can pretend you would be okay with it, but you’re lying to yourself.
A person with this pattern of behavior is not going to cease this behavior overnight.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:07 am
@lurker,
Our receivers do not need a “specific system” nor do they have to “fit with Mariota.Evans and VJax BOTH had 1000 yard seasons with JOSH MCCOWN throwing them the ball in a system that was mainly *sack* *incomplete*heave it up* sack* fumble* INTERCEPTION* SACK*HEAVE IT UP* SACK*
I’m pretty sure both WRs will still strive in the new offense with a coordinator who is very familiar with having two talented WRs. Mariota would be a HUGE upgrade from McCown and would protect the ball much better.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:09 am
A young girl has accused Jameis Winston of a rape. A very serious crime.
“He was on top of me and I couldn’t really breathe,” Kinsman says, noting Winston’s roommate disrupted Winston’s first attempt when he entered his bedroom because the door didn’t lock. She said the roommate, who she does not identify, pleaded with Winston to stop and noted Klinsman was saying “no.” That’s when Kinsman said Winston picked her up and took her to the bathroom, where the door did lock.
“He pushed his hand over my face and pushed my face to the floor,” she said, recalling the floor was tile. She said he dressed her and told her it was time to leave after he was done.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:20 am
The Bucs have a choice between hiring a galvanizing figure or a polarizing figure as the face of the franchise.
Simple as that.
February 27th, 2015 at 9:33 am
Keep bangin the Winston articles Joe…it drives traffic and hate!!
It’s all about the clicks and the $$$$$$$$$$
February 27th, 2015 at 10:47 am
Joe, there’s a HUGE difference between “confidence” and “certainty”. And certainly there is no certainty about Jameis.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
i am in no fsu bandwagon. i could give 2 shi*s about florida or florida state.
you can want the second-best qb prospect, i will take mr. winston #1 and win more games then with marcus mediocre.
February 27th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
poor girl and her aunt tried to extort $7 million already and take an insurance policy out on mr. winston last year.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://chopchat.com/2015/02/22/kinsmans-attorney-wanted-insurance-policy-jameis-winston/
February 27th, 2015 at 12:19 pm
poor, poor barry the creepy, faux christian
February 27th, 2015 at 1:12 pm
Joe,
First – this I’m not sure if this is exclusive to me but this sight has been lagging and frequently crashes on me from multiple devices from multiple sights (PC, iPhone, MacBookPro’s)mainly Safari and Chrome. All at different locations and my internet speed is top notch – client side is clean.
Ok, onto Winston. First I went to UF – so lets all bear that in mind. However, I have to stick up for this kid. First, I don’t care what ANY lawyer says – the case is over. Lawyers are well, lawyers – they say what they need to say to defend their clients/case (on both sides) and at times they can be sore losers. However, bottom line it’s over. Unfortunately for JW, we have 2 months to perseverate this issue and watch some documentary on it. If he was already playing football and winning (and acquitted) this would be just like the Ray Lewis issue save for the fact nobody died. Most people would probably forget in a few weeks and just care about the next few games – just being real. Also regard all the stupid behavior problems in college. This ones quick. I’m a fairly successful, my friends are too, my brothers stupid successful and ALL of them did stupid stuff in college. However, we did make it on TV…thanks God. Granted he was in a position where he was in a quasi-reality show – but was still just a college kid like most of the rest of us. I’m sure MM had his unadvertised moments.
February 27th, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Correction – *Didn’t make it on TV…
February 27th, 2015 at 1:37 pm
That’s odd. Joe uses several devices, too. iPad (Safari and Chrome), Android phone, Chrome. No issues like that. Thanks for the tip.
February 27th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
Here is my take as a former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney – Jameis had sex with a drunk young lady he’d met for the first time earlier the same evening at a bar. The sexual encounter was not romantic. His roommates acted like disrespectful jerks. She sobers up and feels embarrassed and used. She also rightfully felt regrets and probably disgust at her own behavior. She was clearly used and treated disrespectfully.
However, the evidence does not prove a criminal sexual assault. Even her own varying accounts create too much doubt to prosecute Winston. He did not get her drunk, and did not drug her. On the contrary, there is no evidence of any drugs in her system. And her blood alcohol level was not that high, even if you extrapolate it back to the time of the encounter it would not indicate extreme intoxication.
All that can be gleaned from the police reports and SAO Memo is that a group of college kids – men and women – acted recklessly, stupidly, and disrespectfully, toward themselves and each other. This is precisely the type of behavior we should teach our sons and daughters is bad and dangerous. I have taught my own son to treat women with the utmost care and respect. I’ve taught my daughters to treat themselves with the utmost care and respect. You can only pray they’ve listened and learned.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
This sounds like Joe knows that an aggressive (and national) campaign on Winston will end up with this website losing its QB of choice (for the second straight year). Last year I was on board with drafting JF… I still don’t know if him coming to Tampa would play out differently than him going to rehab at the end of the season. But I’m sure I’m glad we have Evans. Whom wasn’t the best prospect, or anything like that, not even the first WR drafted. So because of this (and plenty of bad decisions drafting DE’s) I really hope we end up with Mariota joining the Bucs.
February 27th, 2015 at 4:56 pm
^
@’76-Thank you! That was the best statement I have heard on the subject yet. I do not dislike Jameis for who he is, I simply don’t respect him. We are all young once, I get that. It still does not excuse this behavior, regardless of the circumstances.
Frankly, I don’t know how anyone can say one guy is better than the other at this point. Given our O-line however, it might pay to be more athletic!
February 27th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
All lies in jest
still, a man hears what he wants to here
and will justify the rest.
If you think this story is going away, think again.
If Winston becomes a Buc, and you thinks this will not become a major distraction for a few years, think again.
February 27th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
The political left is pushing hard to promote their template that college campuses are dangerous places for women. The Winston story fits their narrative. Makes me like him more. So tired of the left wing media!
February 27th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
“him” being Winston.
February 27th, 2015 at 7:06 pm
silly republicant
February 27th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
Just the fact Joe, the NFL and all the commenters on this website are spending so much “ink” on this is why the Bucs should go with Mariotta. Regardless of the facts of any of the rape allegations or any of Winston’s other antics, he’s a distraction. And, a young Buccaneer team that is just beginning to get its feet underneath it doesn’t need these sorts of distractions.
February 28th, 2015 at 1:07 am
but they need a cause to rally around!