The Magical 2013 Draft?

June 1st, 2014

dominik and schianoLovie Smith loves his players — until he doesn’t.

But Lovie seems to have special, glowing evaluations for the Bucs’ 2013 draft class, the final one of the rockstar general manager Mark Dominik era.

Evidence is everywhere.

Last week, Lovie raved to reporters about how cornerback Johnthan Banks played well last year (remember, Banks was a MRSA victim) and is the among the new breed of necessary, long corners in today’s NFL (Darrelle Revis explained it best).

Mike Glennon? Well, he’s Lovie’s “quarterback of the future.” Lovie’s dueling Greg Schiano for leadership status of the Mike Glennon Mob.

Akeem Spence? He’s been replaced in the starting lineup, but the Bucs appear comfortable with Spence serving as a busy, rotational backup nose tackle. His off-field shenanigans this year didn’t seem to ruffle Lovie or Jason Licht at all. Licht even said in March that Spence will compete with Clinton McDonald for a starting job.

Defensive end William Gholston? He’s a likely starter, who has received Lovie’s praise.

DE Steven Means recently got the “prototype” label from Lovie.

Running back Mike James got all kinds of Lovie love before Charles Sims was drafted. The head coach raved about having a back like James with 100-yard games under his belt.

And that leaves young speedster Jeff Demps, who was acquired via a draft-day trade last year from New England. Lovie shared his obsession with Demps at the NFL owners meetings months ago. It hasn’t subsided. Lovie said recently he’s ignoring some errors by Demps because he sees a tremendous upside daily.

Man, considering all that, Joe wonders whether Lovie will invite Dominik to his house for a Labor Day barbecue.

Of course, June 1 chatter about players is a lot different from regular-season reality. It’s difficult to predict what Lovie will do — or how players will perform.

Starting with Banks, he’s going to pushed hard by Mike Jenkins. Remember, Lovie said he doesn’t typically chase free agents who aren’t targeting and expecting a starting job.

81 Responses to “The Magical 2013 Draft?”

  1. Destinjohnny Says:

    I think having Eric and Greg made for a lot of this. But u are right credit where credit is due on the draft

  2. Destinjohnny Says:

    Oya just think Sheldon Richardson would have been part of this if we didn’t trade for 24

  3. Robert7 Says:

    Last 2 drafts have been sick. That and cleaning house where schianos 2 good points

  4. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Agree with Chef

  5. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    thank goodness that Coach Schiano came here and took over the drafting. There is a reason that Lovie demanded that the pop-star be fired before he took the job. No matter how well Dominick made coffee for the front office.

  6. stanglassman Says:

    Why 75% if not all Schaino? I hear that all the time but have never heard a good reason to believe it.
    BTW Tough to give that someone credit for QB position choice when he is the one who destroyed Freeman’s confidence and any chance at success in this league.

  7. BFFL Says:

    Schiano is a great talent evaluator but terrible NFL coach. Regarding Dominick, please stop giving an administrator any credit.

  8. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    @stanglassman

    Schiano was told 2 things when he was hired

    get rid of the “problems” on the roster, and ” fix freeman” . How could Coach Schiano destroy what was already broken. You could say that because Coach Schiano would not put up with Freeman showing up late, not putting the time in, and not able to learn 1/4 of the play book, that ruined freeman by not sweeping it under the rug like the old regime did.

  9. Chef Paul Says:

    Well, Dom has to get some credit too. Perhaps, like Realist said, Dom made the coffee extra good on draft days and Schiano had that perfect amount of alertness during the draft.

  10. Macabee Says:

    Well we’re soon going to find out how much Lovie Smith loves the draft picks and expensive FAs he inherited. Joe mentioned June 1st and for good reason. Today is June 1st in case you hadn’t checked your calendar. NFL teams can sign free agents without it working against them in the compensatory draft-pick process beginning today. Compensatory picks are awarded based on a loss-gain formula in free agency.

    Teams can also spread out 50% of the dead money to next year for any player cut after June 1st – it’s called the June 1st Option. If the Bucs are going to cut Carl Nicks, look for it to happen now. Other teams will also cut veteran players now, a few of whom the Bucs may be interested in given the state of affairs on the offensive line. Who Lovie loves will soon be apparent!

  11. Eric Says:

    The super talented 0-8ers……..

    Mixed in with the worst offense in the league.

    Sure wish we had those guys back for a whole lotta more of that!

  12. Jim Walker Says:

    Who are the starting guards? Nicks won’t be starting, and were lucky if he even plays a few games. Oniel Cousins is not NFL backup quality. How are we going to run the ball with DT in the backfield before the ball is handed off?

  13. Orlandobucsfan Says:

    It’s no coincidence that schiano comes and all of a sudden the draft vastly improves. Dom had years and failed an literally almost all draft picks. Schiano gets most if not all the credit when it came to scouting out talent and drafting it.

  14. The don Says:

    Oh happy day

  15. Bobby M. Says:

    If the Rockstar was truly that, Lovie would have kept him and guys like Schiano would not have been chased

  16. Architek Says:

    Hard to give Dominik credit for the annual failures under his watch and time will tell about the overall success of 2013 class.

    I will say that without a doubt the front office and contracts are the best in the league and for that we thank Dom. And thank Dominik for the 21 years he gave the organization!

    Not much else as a GM.

  17. Keith Says:

    Schiano was little more than a spectator in the 2012 draft.

    We’re going to call Schiano a great talent evaluator when he cut a bunch of D-linemen who went on to great things?

    Might want familiarize yourself with Chris Jones.

  18. ElioT Says:

    Lovie should be inviting Schiano over, not the “Rockstar”.

    There’s no coincidence that our drafts were absolutely atrocious until Schiano came to town. Horrible game day coach, great talent evaluator.

    As for the “Rockstar”, he had no business being a GM. The guy was good with the cap, contracts and trades (Revis excluded), but his talent evaluation history is embarrassing. Look at the facts!

    Go Bucs!!!

  19. SteveK Says:

    Stantlassman,

    Freeman sunk his own ship. Schiano wanted him to get better, as his job depended on it.

  20. Eric Says:

    Just think we missed out on the Rutgers OC and starting Glennon all year.

    And another Dominik draft.

    Oh, woe is us. What could have been.

  21. Boomer33 Says:

    My only question is who decided not to keep Bennett? Was it Dom or Schiano?

  22. Mike Says:

    Too bad we traded Sheldon Richardson for revis

  23. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    “Man, considering all that, Joe wonders whether Lovie will invite Dominik to his house for a Labor Day barbecue.”

    Lovie could thank him for handcuffing Schiano with Freenan which inevitably led to an HC opening for Lovie

  24. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I love what’s happened in our defensive backfield. Either Banks or Jenkins would be a credible 2nd Corner and the loser still gets plenty of PT as the nickle back.

    Nickel back isn’t easy and doesn’t just default to whoever doesn’t win the No. 2 job. Remember, Lovie’s got his handpicked nickel D.J. Moore here. –Joe

    If Dashon and Barron play lights out on the back end this could be a truly impressive secondary.

  25. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    @ mike

    you mean Sheldon Richardson and Jalen Saunders (4th round pick wr Oklahoma) for 1 year of Revis

  26. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    @ stranglassman

    “Why 75% if not all Schaino? I hear that all the time but have never heard a good reason to believe it.”

    And what gives you reason not to believe it? Simple really 3 years of Rah+Dom=epic draft failure (most every one of them is out if the NFL already). Schiano+Dom=two of the best drafts the Bucs have ever had. Coincidence?

    And for those who rattle the sabers that it was all Eric Stokes, look how much Lovie & Licht thought of him, I would wager the 2012 & 2013 drafts were mostly to Schiano’s credit

  27. Macabee Says:

    Nobody answered Boomer33′s question and nobody will!

  28. Sethb22 Says:

    Schiano was a bust your ass and work hard kind of dude. No doubt he wouldn’t turn tape off after 5 plays because he had a bar to hit like rah-rah. Would probably kill it as a GM… Or head of scouting or pro talent.

  29. Danati74 Says:

    Shiano did help The Dom with the last few drafts. We did get a some steals in DM, LVD, and we will still have to see about Barron. J. Banks fell to us with that 4.6 40. His long arms make up for it. However Shitano didn’t know how to coach or act in front of the media. I couldn’t stand him coaching our team. When Lovie was quickly picked to replace him a lot of us are all smiles again. BTW this appears to be another good draft this year. Thats how you build contenders. Go Bucs.

  30. Pete 422 Says:

    Schiano would probably do well as a scout.

  31. GO BUCS Says:

    I do see Schiano prepping in NE to be a NFL GM someday! He does have an eye for talent.

  32. Couch Fan Says:

    Just think we missed out on the Rutgers OC and starting Glennon all year.
    ————–

    We havent missed out on Starting Glennon all year yet…. ;)

  33. Vincente Says:

    That’s what I want to know, he made the final decision to cut Bennett??

  34. buc4lyfe Says:

    Glennon a franchise quarterback so I guess William Gholston is the next simeon rice. Way to spin it joe much props for your writing skills. So I guess fans are giving schiano all the credit for the draft a gm usually gets credit for especially when bringing in a first time nfl head coach from college but Dominic gets credit for not wanting Bennett, wanting Eric wright, letting another d tackle go that got 8 sacks for the Bengals, oh can’t forget ogletree, not to mention revis nonsense, goldson and the jf5 fiasco….fired after two years but he’s a draft genius from college that can’t coach lol oooook, media says it fans eat it up, it’s was said in the media it must be true

  35. Buc1987 Says:

    buc4lyfe….MANY many fans have been saying Schiano should get the credit for the last 2 drafts, for the last 8 months or so. I’ve seen it been typed numerous times, by numerous posters. I think people can make up their own minds just fine.

  36. buc4lyfe Says:

    Yes the genius behind the draft a college coach from Rutgers first year in the nfl, yea he overruled Dominick to call his own shots lol. It’s already known and documented that coming from college he had a better perspective of what’s coming out of college having scouted, recruited or game planned for players, all benefits that real gm’s and scouts in nfl don’t have, even gilberry left the bucs and got 8 sacks even though he was cut right before season, bennett revis, eric wright, guess that was Dominic scouting, lol Schiano decided to move up Doug Martin so 1st round players are steals? Guess Schiano was the genius behind vjack signing to since it was a good move, guess Schiano didn’t believe in drafting offensive lineman either……You guys lol you got jokes

  37. buc4lyfe Says:

    Buc1987

    Yea people can make up their own minds that’s why guys like Eric wright who finally got a big contact ruined his career and bank account by taking adderall, hasn’t been heard from since, bucs go down as the only team to ever pay him that type of money. The front office made up their minds about that, wasn’t very smart was it, I did enjoy the adderall twins fad though

  38. SteveK Says:

    Schiano has many Rutgers players in the NFL to boot with the last two Buccaneer drafts.

    Schiano sucks at game day, but is a boss at judging talent.

  39. Chef Paul Says:

    Hey, where did my first comment go? I didn’t even say anything bad.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    Although of course everyone knows by now that Schiano ruined Freeman. Freeman is 100% innocent of every wrong doing in his life. Even getting cut from the Giants in MAY is Schiano’s fault too.

    Good lord when are some of you people going to wake up when it comes to Freeman?

    I figured it out the 3rd game into last season. Others figured it out 2-3 years ago. I guess it takes some people a little more time than others when it comes to that mental midget.

    Mental midget. That’s a perfect description for Freeman in my mind. Oozing with athletic talent and potential, but mentally weak.

    If people think Schiano was tough on poor Freeman. How would he have done with a coach like Lombardi, Parcells, or Mike Ditka? One of those 3 probably could have easily made Freeman cry.

    Don’t blame ANYONE for Josh’s failures in Tampa, Minnesota, and now NY. This is ALL Freeman’s doing. 100% all Freeman. Wake up stragglers!

  41. Buc1987 Says:

    Although of course everyone knows by now that Schiano ruined Freeman. Freeman is totally innocent of every wrong doing in his life. Even getting cut from the Giants in MAY is Schiano’s fault too.

    Good grief when are some of you people going to wake up when it comes to Freeman?

    I figured it out the 3rd game into last season. Others figured it out 2-3 years ago. I guess it takes some people a little more time than others when it comes to that mental midget.

    Mental midget. That’s a perfect description for Freeman in my mind. Oozing with athletic talent and potential, but mentally weak.

    If people think Schiano was tough on poor Freeman. How would he have done with a coach like Lombardi, Parcells, or Mike Ditka? One of those 3 probably could have easily made Freeman cry.

    Don’t blame ANYONE for Josh’s failures in Tampa, Minnesota, and now NY. This is ALL Freeman’s doing. One Hundred Percent all Freeman. Wake up stragglers!

  42. Buc1987 Says:

    Chef IDK I’m having a helluva time posting mine too. I can’t find which word is the filtered word. I’m still trying so it might post 3 times.

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    Although of course everyone knows by now that Schiano ruined Freeman. Freeman is totally innocent of every wrong doing in his life. Even getting cut from the Giants in MAY is Schiano’s fault too.

    Good grief when are some of you people going to wake up when it comes to Freeman?

    I figured it out the 3rd game into last season. Others figured it out 2 years ago. I guess it takes some people a little more time than others when it comes to that mental midget.

    Mental midget. That’s a perfect description for Freeman in my mind. Lots of athletic talent and potential, but mentally weak.

    If people think Schiano was tough on poor Freeman. How would he have done with a coach like Lombardi, The Tuna, or Mike Ditka? One of those 3 probably could have easily made Freeman cry.

    Don’t blame ANYONE for Josh’s failures in Tampa, Minnesota, and now NY. This is ALL Freeman’s doing. One Hundred Percent all Freeman. Wake up stragglers!

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    I give up.

  45. Chef Paul Says:

    87,
    It was up there for a little bit. TBBF and stanglassman even replied to it. So it wasn’t filtered or anything.

  46. Buc1987 Says:

    Although of course everyone knows by now that Schiano ruined Freeman. Freeman is totally innocent of every wrong doing in his life. Even getting cut from the Giants in MAY is Schiano’s fault too.

    Good grief when are some of you people going to wake up when it comes to Freeman?

    I figured it out the 3rd game into last season. Others figured it out 2 years ago. I guess it takes some people a little more time than others when it comes to that mental midget.

    Mental midget. That’s a perfect description for Freeman in my mind. Lots of athletic talent and potential, but mentally weak.

    If people think Schiano was tough on poor Freeman. How would he have done with a coach like Lombardi, The Tuna, or Mike Dit-ka? One of those 3 probably could have easily made Freeman cry.

    Don’t blame ANYONE for Josh’s failures in Tampa, Minnesota, and now NY. This is ALL Freeman’s doing. One Hundred Percent all Freeman. Wake up stragglers!

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    Chef…damn man I’ve tried everything to get mine to post every which way. Thought it was the word Ditka or something so I changed that up. Then I thought it was the “100%” that I typed that was not going through, but yours is a mystery.

  48. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    Looking at the picture in this thread I can imagine a discussion along the lines of Schiano saying “look Mark this Freeman kid just doesn’t have the mental toughness for the game, let’s get Carson in here and we can groom Mike to take over” with Don’s reply “My hands are tied Greg, my ass is on the line here with all the other draft busts your predecessor convinced me he needed I can’t afford to be wrong about the franchise QB too!”

  49. Buc1987 Says:

    Freeman is a mental midget was the bottom line of my post. I also said. If Schiano was so tough on Freeman, the likes of Parcells, Ditka, and Vince L would have made Freeman cry in a corner somewhere. That was the basic gist of it all. Oh well it might post it might not.

  50. stanglassman Says:

    Schaino said himself that he didn’t have time to prepare for the 2012 draft and watched how it worked. That is a paraphrase but close to what he said and that sure sounded like to was in no position to choose players in the 2012 draft.
    I think both Freeman and Glennon could be very capable NFL Qbs with a system that suits their style and some talent around them. Freeman did pretty well for a few years with a poor carousal of coaches and systems and below average OL and receivers. Saying things like he always sucked is unfair and far from the truth. Schaino shopped Freeman in the off season and screwed up the guy’s confidence. He wanted to bring in and start his own guy much like Lovie does. Lovie is just going about it in a better more up front way.

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    Tampa, Minnesota, and now NY. Somehow this is all Schiano’s fault. Freeman is 100% innocent.

    Btw most of us saw Freeman getting cut from the Giants anyways. Coughlin is 3 times the hard ass that Schiano is. Never thought it would happen in May though.

    It took me until the 3rd game of last season to see it, what a few others figured out 2 years ago. I guess there are still some stragglers that want to believe in him still.

  52. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Chef Paul

    Since I agreed with it (I think you said Schiano gets 75% credit fot the picks)…you can post it again….

    FYI…I have been having difficulties getting posts on…..so, I copied them & tried to paste them….It says “a duplicate of this post already exists” but its not up on the site….so….go figure!!!

  53. Couch Fan Says:

    I disagree that saying he always sucked is unfair. That is your opinion. When a guy never improves through out his career… what exactly would you call that? Freeman had a bad bad habit of never showing up until the 4th quarter through out his career. Once in awhile he pulled off a comeback against a bad team. Whoopdedoo. Even his best season he stunk for 3 quarters. Only difference was that he didn’t turn the ball over like crazy that season. So, no I think its very fair to say he’s always sucked.

  54. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    The only thing “magical” on Dominick was the way he would ” disappear” during a losing streak. And there were plenty of them!!!

    28-52 record
    no playoffs
    Left the office before 5:00, just ask Warren Sapp!

  55. Rex Says:

    Why does everyone think we would have gotten Richardson with the 13th pick? I thought we were gonna go corner if we didn’t get revis.

  56. Try A New Handle Says:

    Still talking about Freeman? I swear some of are simply hating on the dude because he’s a millionaire and you have to do overtime to get a decent paycheck by repeating welcome to McDonald’s may I take your order please, I’m surprised you can afford internet. Regardless just like jamarruc russell they made enough money on one contact to never have to work again, hate because their famous regardless of why and your a nobody is a pretty good description of hatin. It’s stupid to say someone failed during involuntary workout periods, eli hasn’t missed a game his entire career no need to pay Josh who earned considerably more than the two qb’s left on the roster cuz no-one of them well play but hey that’s why the giants sucks. Everyone’s seen curtis painter in Indy and he’s not close to the player Josh was, ryan nassib who knows because he’s a nobody who’s never played, compared to them it’s rather our qb situation, atleast we’d survive one qb injury lol bet if eli goes down they’d give a kings random for Mike glennon idiots and there’s plenty of time to catch on with a team in time for training camp, those that keep trying succeed for that very reason

  57. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Chef Paul Says
    “Well, Dom has to get some credit too.”

    I disagree completely. Mark Dominick had a track record of drafts before Greg Schiano came along, and really, he was lucky to hit on 1-2 players each year, and in some cases not at all.

    When Schiano came along, the first draft hit on what? 50%?

    And then the second one hit on 100% (so far).

    If Dominick had shown better ability earlier, then he should get credit, but clearly Schiano was the BEST talent evaluator the Buccaneers have ever had. Bar none.

    I like the idea of Lovie coaching the Bucs, but I really, really wish we could have had Schiano run one more draft.

    The credit Mark Dominick deserves is his ability to work trades and contracts. He was an absolute master at that.

    But not talent evaluation.

    Jason Licht doesn’t have near the skill level as Dominick to work trades. The other things? Still to be determined.

    But it is also clear that Lovie ran this draft mostly.

  58. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    When I said Dominick could work contracts, I meant the structure of them. Not the amounts.

  59. Mumbles Says:

    Freeman for president! Just trying to start a fight. I come to JBF for the fights. Any minute now, HawaiiBuc wil be here to give Buc1987 a nuggie! This website is the best. Better than WWE!

  60. buc4lyfe Says:

    Damn believe everything you here…..how would Sapp know if he left at 5 because he was there all night, didn’t big free agent deals go down in the middle of the night? I’d he responsible for developing players too because Schiano didn’t develop anyone, if you didn’t have talent when you got drafted your screwed. Can’t evaluate talent if you suck as a defensive mind, Trevor Scott 3 sacks in a preseason games without game planning then can’t make the field and gets cut, talent evaluating is useless if you know nothing about coaching or scheming, clayborne 7 sacks as a rookie, more than Bennett had that year but Schiano gets the guy and all of a sudden he’s garbage….nope the coach is garbage and like Sapp said everyone will play better, the entire d line

  61. Eric Says:

    Sure do miss Schiano.

    And Raheem.

    Rock Star.

    Can’t stop crying……what if we dont get a 7-10 game losing streak to enjoy?

    Lord why have you forsaken us?

  62. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Where’s Pablo?

    I miss Pablo….

  63. Architek Says:

    TBF -
    Please conjure idiocies and horrid English of Pablo.

  64. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ Architek

    Yea….but very entertaining….

  65. ToesOnTheLine Says:

    @ buc4life

    “…because Schiano didn’t develop anyone, if you didn’t have talent when you got drafted your screwed.”

    As Joe would say go back and check the archives. Plenty of stories from a couple seasons ago with GMC saying Schiano showed him better tackling technique. The ‘bust’ word was being thrown around at McCoy before Schiano took over and GMC has been healthy and a pro bowler since

  66. Andrew 1 Says:

    Are we still talking about Freeman?! What the hell people?!?! It’s over!!!
    In the wise words of Ray Lewis- “Only a fool trips on what’s behind him.”

    Time to start getting behind our new QB(s). I know I’m huge McCown supporter. In fact I think I’m going to start a new group. It’s called the McCown posse. Who’s with me?

  67. buc4lyfe Says:

    ToesOnTheLine

    I was referring to developing a quarterback I mean since were saying that’s the most important position on the field

    But thanks for bringing up the only thing Schiano accomplished, with the exception of playing gm for the bucs. It was actually smart to preach tackling techniques because with that pathetic scheme and knowing we’ll give up the need you need to get the receiver on the ground.

    His legacy:
    Excuses
    Worse pass defense his rookie year
    Worst passing offense the next year
    Giving away all the glazers money

  68. stanglassman Says:

    So the guy that holds the team franchise record for passing yards and Tds in a single season always sucked? Keep in mind this very young, sucky Qb did this with on a pretty bad team no mentor and poor coaching.
    Look… Freeman frustrated me as much as anyone with his up and down play I was really disappointed because I thought we finally had a franchise Qb. I’m ready to move on because I’m a Cal (Jeff Tedford) fan and since last season wanted the Bucs to go get McCown in FA this year. I can’t wait to see what he can do with all these big weapons.

  69. THETRUTH Says:

    Don’t forget butch Davis was big time talent evaluator. And our two best drafts with the DOM Didn’t happen till Davis was hired on. Davis was jimmy j’s right hand man since CANE days. Schiano got rid of all the guys who RAH LOved but quit on RAH. He knows talent just not ready for professional level yet.

  70. Buc1987 Says:

    stanglassman ….didn’t Freeman break the passing record in 2012? If so he had plenty of weapons around him.

  71. Buc1987 Says:

    @Mumbles…lol You’re welcome!

  72. Couch Fan Says:

    What exactly has Freeman done that would label him as anything other than a bad QB? His only claim to fame is worthless single season franchise records. The same year he broke those records he had a horrible meltdown to close the season. He threw 4000 yards 1 time (under schiano who most of you claim was Freeman’s downfall) and he’s good? He had 1 good season statistically (which he never came close to again) and that makes him a good QB?

  73. Buc1987 Says:

    buc4lyfe…Schiano gets no excuses. No passes. When you are a hard ass type of coach it had better work out, because fans will turn on you real quick.

    If I had to find 1 excuse for him though, that would be an easy one.

    Lovie got rid of nearly 1/2 of his supposed “talented”roster from last season. So in a sense, Schiano was working with garbage. Lovie proved it when he started letting everyone go left and right.

    So that’s the only excuse I can find for him.

    He also got rid of Rah’s slackers. So there was some positive that came from Schiano. Unfortunately for him regardless of the 4-12 record there was far too many negatives that outweighed the positives.

    How can anyone NOT be excited about this season after last season. Even if you don’t want to get your hopes up. It can’t get worse can it?

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    “So in a sense, Schiano was working with garbage.”

    I had to pull that out of my post, because I forgot to follow it with. Garbage, that includes Freeman his starting QB. You know the most important position on a football team.

  75. Buc1987 Says:

    Makes me wonder how the hell they even won 4 games last season let alone 7 the year before.

    Okay I’m done running my keyboard now.

  76. Bucfan#37 Says:

    wow 1987, you must have a magic submit button to get a post or parts of it a half dozen times.

  77. Your name is needle [DELETED BY JOE] Says:

    snook/buc4lyfe:

    [Because you chose such a weak handle, Joe deleted your comment. Try cleaning things up a bit, huh? Or better yet, stick with one handle. This was the fourth handle you've used today. -- Joe]

  78. Mr Magoo Says:

    Bucs fans don’t have a clue as to whether the good draft picks we got were because of Schiano or Dom because the media doesnt know either, so they cant tell us. It is all a guessing game but who cares at this point since both are gone. Timd to turn the page. You might as well argue about Ray Perkins or Sam Wyche for all the good it does.

  79. NC buc fan Says:

    Mike Glennon? Well, he’s Lovie’s “quarterback of the future.” Lovie’s dueling Greg Schiano for leadership status of the Mike Glennon Mob.
    ==============
    First time posting but have a question; Why does Joe and big dog keep using the term Mob and Mobsters? If they don’t like Glennon, why do they put down his supporters? Would they wish for those of us who like to visit this site “Joe mobsters”? Willing to bet that this posting will not get him many welcome interviews. Could be (Quote above ==) interpreted as anti Lovey

  80. BoJim Says:

    When Freeman was having his good year I used to tell my friends around here to keep an eye out for him. Glad they don’t bring it up to me. And that’s all I gonna say about him. He’s gone.

  81. Boomer33 Says:

    I will admit that I am new to this site, but why won’t anybody tell me who decided we did not want to keep Bennett on the team?

 
 

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