“Get Rid Of Those Three Plays”

May 15th, 2018

What will take America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, from being the very average NFC starter he is to the ranks of the stud NFL gunslingers?

A former Buccaneer has a simple but astute theory.

Ian Beckles, the former Tampa Bay starting guard (1990-1996), says getting Jameis where he needs to be is primarily about getting Bucs fans to stop banging their collective heads against the wall.

“The most important thing for me and Jameis Winston is that he eliminates those three plays,” Beckles said. “Buccaneer fans, you know what I’m talking about, like Jameis could have a great game, throw for 380 [yards] and there’ll be three plays in the game where you go, ‘What the hell were you thinking about?’ He’s so competitive that he makes really dumb decisions sometimes. And he needs to figure out a way to get rid of those three plays.

“If he gets rid of those three plays, I mean statistically he’s up there with just about everybody. I mean I still have confidence in Jameis Winston that he’s the guy. Run the football a little bit more, too, Dirk Koetter. I think that will help is situation out. We still don’t want Jameis Winston throwing the ball 40 times a game. I don’t. That’s just not really an equation for success.”

Yes, Mr. Beckles, fans get the point. Jameis fumbled 15 times and threw 11 interceptions last year in a little over 11 games of total action. Throw in some rough decisions and that adds up.

Joe would do cartwheels on St. Pete Beach if Jameis could improve his ball security significantly. It shouldn’t be that hard, not with an offensive line that pass protects as well as the Bucs’.

Beckles also said he wants to see Jameis tone down the leadership a bit and start making people around him better.

53 Responses to ““Get Rid Of Those Three Plays””

  1. R.O. Says:

    JW3’s Leadership problem is he wants to be liked. The Greats don’t care if the players around him like him. You think TB12 cares? Throw the idiots out of the huddle in practice.. etc.

  2. Frank Johnson Says:

    Ian beckles is usually right on the money but especially with Gerald McCoy .hopefully all these new studs on the d line will make him play to his potential because nobody wants to look like the soft guy that he is so maybe that will be some incentive for him to work harder

  3. Howard Cosell Says:

    Howard always liked Ian. Really smart guy. I would have kept him and fired Diaz (looking at you Clear Channel)

  4. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Jameis needs a running game and an average defense….keep Jameis in the game….more dinks & dunks….screens. He has some speed now with good hands….
    I’d be happy if he were able to just get rid of two plays.

    Speed……Djax, Rojo, Sims……hands Brate, Howard, Evans, Humphries, Godwin

    No way our offense should falter.

  5. BushidoEvans Says:

    Don’t ever call him TB12 on this site again. We don’t care about that guy, call him Brady, Tom, Tom Brady or whatever else…no affectionate nicknames for other teams’ players, this ain’t the place homie. Everything else you said is ok.

  6. Roy T. Buford Says:

    It’s not the three plays, it’s the mindset that makes him do it. I never took Beckles for a smart guy. I mean, any dude who gets drunk and arrested for messing with a police horse can’t be the brightest bulb on the tree.

  7. Bird Says:

    Can’t agree more …hope he can take it to next level this year. No excuses or everyone will be gone

    Weird that Joe’s call him americas quarteback and very average NFC starter in same sentence ?

    This is the other joe. That loves Jameis. Not the one love loves loves jameis in a weird obsessive way.

  8. Defense Rules Says:

    I nearly choke when I admit this, but Ian Beckles is right. Jameis does so many things great, but every once in awhile (and all too often at critical times) out comes a WTFWT. And the ball turns over & everyone walks away just shaking their head. Yes did fumble 15 times in the equivalent of about 12 games, BUT … only 8 of those were lost (about the same as the 7 fumbles he lost in 2016).

    And yes he did throw 11 INTs (roughly 1 INT/game), but he was also sacked 33 times last year (3 times/game), and those pressure situations surely contribute to both fumbles & INTs. His completion % keeps going up (58.3% his rookie year, to 60.8% in 2016 to 63.8% last year. That’s very methodical improvement (Tom Brady’s career average is right there at 63.9%). Let’s all just hope that the light bulb came on regarding not turning the ball over so much. If Jameis can do that, we have us a true franchise QB for many years to come.

  9. Lamarcus Says:

    JW is a top 10 QB. Nuff said.

  10. USFBUC Says:

    Winston is already on track to be one of the great QBs in the league. A slight change in his maturity and he will be a top ten qb easy and probably a top five qb.

  11. passthebuc Says:

    JW is not accurate
    JW looks down the receiver
    JW does not lead the receiver
    JW throws after the receiver has made his cut, not before.

    These are college traits and frankly I doubt he will change. However if he does change, he can become elite.

  12. Dan Says:

    Why do you think Jameis will change in year 4. Year 4 everyone. It’s ok to want him to be a franchise qb. He isn’t and that’s not changing in year 4. He’s gonna fumble and throw picks he has his whole career. Understanding that is the hard part for us Bucs fans.

  13. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @Dan

    His QB rating goes up every year – even despite the injury f*cking his game up most of 2017. So it’d be weird to NOT expect some improvement in efficiency as that has been his norm thus far.

    And if you have the crazy opinion that a hurt throwing shoulder likely impacted his performance; that alone would have you expecting better play the following season.

    In terms of predicting QB turnovers; his TD:INT ratio has improved each season. Fumbles are a little more flukey.

    We’ll see.

  14. Dooshlarue Says:

    I agree with Beckels but I know a few geniuses on here that will swear that none of those plays are JW’s fault.
    It’s nice to hear the truth.

  15. BucsBabyBoy Says:

    If he learn 2 throw the ball with one hand and look off the Defense maybe we’ll have something

  16. Licht’s Out Says:

    JW’s will to win sometimes turns against him…and he presses. I’d press too if my GM kept Doug Martin and his 2.9 YPC coming off suspension as the primary running back and El Smitty and his matador defense was charged with either keeping the game close or protecting a lead.

  17. BrianBucs Says:

    With Winston, you will always get a whole lot of good mixed in with a whole lot of bad. That’s just who he is and how he will always play

  18. BigHogHaynes Says:

    I e said it before…they will soon turn on you…let the guy continue to develop!!

  19. Not there yet Says:

    Yes kinds of hard to argue that one. He had a lot of funnies and int’s but facture in the fumbles recovered and interceptions dropped and it adds up to head scratchers in every single game. Seems like more than 3 a game.

  20. firethecannons Says:

    cut Rojo loose in the red zone thereby preventing JW from throwing into triple coverage.

  21. DB55 Says:

    We still don’t want Jameis Winston throwing the ball 40 times a game.
    —————–
    Fun fact: JW had two 3 int games, in those games he had 40 pass attempts vs the Viking and a whooping 51 attempts vs the saints in week 17 a game JW also won with a perfect bomb to Godwin but I digress.

    He also had two 2 Ints game where he had 40 pass attempts in each game.

    JW was also sacked 33 times in 13 games, he was sacked 7 times in GB.

    He got sacked 6 times vs Carolina and had 3 fumbles. Same vs GB 7 sacks 2 fumbles.

    Conclusion, protect the qb, find a running game and stop throwing the ball 40 times per game.

  22. DB55 Says:

    I wish I could find a site that tracked how many time a qb was pressured or hit as well as sacked.

  23. DB55 Says:

    Just want to add that jameis had his team in the lead in both Carolina and gb games until McIceCream took the field on the last drive of the 4th qrts.

  24. Trench War Says:

    Beckles is right.

    Unless Jameis wants next year to be his prove it year with a whole new system in place then I think he needs to play smart and play a little more conservative this year. Take what the defense gives him and not force it into tiny windows that result into turnovers. Use his check downs. As much as some fans get hung up on the Captain check down BS it’s sometimes the most efficient and effective way to move the ball on ball hawkish defenses. Especially now with a home run hitter like RoJo. So yeah, use your check downs. If the defense is what it’s billed to be we should not be blown out of any game so there won’t be as much urgency to hit the homerun tight window shots that can result in turnovers. I’m not saying to not take shots but to be smart about your shots and don’t force it. If Jameis does that then I see us winning games at the end.

  25. DalvinCookRules Says:

    Jameis is NOT the problem. The lack of a quality coaching staff that can amplify his strengths & reduce/eliminate his flaws is THE problem. How many talented QBs does this franchise need to waste? Steve Young, Doug Williams, even Testaverde… COACHING MATTERS!

    Luckily, this will be the last season we have to put up with Licht, Koetter, Mike Smith, and the other losers here.

  26. SB Says:

    I can hardly stand to watch the Lightning game tonight. ‘Fraid we go down 0 to 3. Sucks!!!

  27. Mack Attack Says:

    Everyone wants to point out Jameis’ turnovers, but never points out the Defense putting the team in a hole and our run game being nonexistent. Jameis has had to try to comeback to often, and with no run game that’s hard to do! With a bad defense that’s hard to do! Which leads to more turnovers period! Once he can rely on one of those two, he’ll be great! We have had a top ten offense (in yards) a few years running now without those 2 factors!

  28. Kobe Faker Says:

    It is called lack of coaching

    HC is klueless, No offensive coordinator, QB coach is a Kardashian

    “Why wasnt there a change or a experienced coach come to help”

    “Overpay and bring in bruce arians”

    Kobe Faker

  29. Bobby M. Says:

    He wont change…..the responsibility is on the play caller, running game and defense to bail him out.

  30. Trench War Says:

    @Mack Attack

    This article is not about our defense. ….You make it sound like every game we were way behind and Winston was pressing to be the hero. Not true, besides maybe a few games we weren’t being blown out like you made it seem. Look, I like Winston and feel he is our guy but to ignore the fact that he did put his defense in some bad situations is pretty darn shortsighted and doesn’t tell the whole truth.

  31. Pete Mitchell Says:

    Joes… Beckles and the Sage! Give me 30 maybe 45 minutes a month of the two Joe’s, Beckles and the Sage!

  32. Jim Says:

    Hmmm, America’s Average-so-far Loser Quarterback? OK, got it…

  33. I Bleed Pewter and Red Says:

    Let’s Go Bolts!

  34. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    Soft arse free pass GMC has a much more brutal and lengthy losing streak than the future greatest player in team history Jameis Winston yet you fools continue to defend the 96 million dollar clown who has produced nothing over the course of his career…. personal awards and meaningless pro bowls have not helped the BUCS TEAM one bit.

  35. Jjones Says:

    There are things like technique, throwing motion and footwork that can be coached up and tweaked but JW’s mentality and emotion doesn’t just change over night. Until he gets more mature in life he will continue to make some of the same mistakes, interceptions, fumbles etc.

  36. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    How about an article about the 3 plays a game GMC is brutalized and embarrassed. or the
    3 plays a game he flat out disappears. when teams are in red zone they all know the path of least resistance is right over top the useless GMC

  37. Lamarcus Says:

    Yea man. Most of the time JW got to go blow for blow and pound for pound cuz the defense gives up the booty.

    We have a 6 time probowl player with no clutch …… But JW must prove his worth? Gtfoh

  38. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    No those articles will never be published better to beat up on a young future star than hold a veteran failure accountable.

    This franchise was pathetic way before Jameis

  39. gotbbucs Says:

    Is there a difference between a “elite QB” and a “franchise QB”?

    Is it possible to be one without being the other?

    That’s a question fans of this team need to ask themselves in regards to Winston. I think he has a chance to be a “franchise QB” for this team, but I don’t think he has it in him to be what I would call an “elite QB”.

    In my opinion, Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers are the only elite QB’s in the NFL right now. They are QB’s that you would never get rid of no matter what if they are healthy. They can almost single handedly win games if the ball is in their hand. Rarely put the ball in harm’s way.

    Winston has a lot of Brett Favre and Big Ben in him. Both incredible QB’s, but aren’t capable of letting a play die and moving on to the next one, and sometimes that bites you really hard in the butt.

  40. Ndog Says:

    passthebuc do you actually watch the games? Clearly you don’t and also don’t know Jameiss strength as one of his best traits is throwing with anticipation which means throwing the ball before the receiver breaks. Then not accurate means you don’t put the ball in a position for the receiver to catch the ball. Then how do you explain his comp % going up each year of his career? Please if you want to be negative then at least no what you are talking about. You are embarrassing yourself with comments like “not accurate” or “does not lead the receiver”. If you want to say he forces the ball at times or he holds the ball to long fine but what you said is just flat ignorant. Get a clue man.

  41. Ndog Says:

    It really is this simple, show me the QB that won with the worst defense in the league, a bottom five running game and the worst kicker in the league. Until then please stop talking about wins and losses being on one person as he doesn’t run block, he doesn’t play defense and he doesn’t kick. Is he perfect no way, but you cant expect any QB to win with that garbage around him, but yet people want to blame him for us losing games. Fine get rid of him, but again who is going to win with the worst defense in football, barely any running game and the worst kicker in the game?

  42. German Buc Says:

    Thank you Ndog. I just started to think, I’m the only one seeing this.

  43. XpfcWintergreen2 Says:

    IMO what Jameis needs is a wife and then a kid on the way.

    That will give him a whole new perspective and make him grow up a little sooner. The results will naturally show themselves in his game.

    He has all the talent and has had all coaching he can absorb for now.
    __________
    Go Bucs

  44. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Well, look at all these people talking about how right Ian Beckles is.

    Just wondering…did any of you who agree with him watch the games? Because I watched every game from beginning to end (and don’t pretend some of you did not turn off the games. You admitted it during the game day threads).

    Yes, Jameis had 2-3 bonehead plays per game. That much is obvious. But what Beckles does not mention is the fact that Jameis had to lead the team from behind nearly every game, resulting in more passing and the need to take risks. Not often, if at all, did those plays cost them the game. Jameis recovered.

    And don’t tell me the offensive line was great when he was sacked 6+ times twice.

    The truths are that:
    Had the defense done it’s job, the Bucs would have won 10-11 games.
    Winston’s ‘leadership’ style is what makes him who he is. He plays and leads like a gunslinger. That comes with disadvantages and advantages.

  45. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Ndog nailed it.

    Nick Folk cost us at least 2 of 4 games.

    And 21 of 22 starters injured took a toll.

  46. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    The GMC haters are going to have a bad year this year. For once, McCoy is not alone out there. Going to be hard to say he sucks when he gets 10+ sacks because of fewer double teams.

  47. Duke Says:

    The top 25 players under 25 list.
    No Jameis Winston.

  48. SOEbuc Says:

    Jameis threw for 4,000+ yards in his first two years so don’t some of you tell me about him not being able to complete the pass. He does want to be a leader soo badly that he does get too excited at times, while also not having enough time in the pocket since his rookie year. If Jones can show up to help him out he could be a great QB in this league. And next year if Licht added another dominate olineman to what we think it might look like this year, he could be elite.

  49. Pickgrin Says:

    I hate offseason “talk” about perceived needed improvements after a really crappy season like last year was….

  50. Owlykat Says:

    With Turnstyle Smith allowing DEs to blindside Jameis and knock the ball out of his hands or throwing him hard to the ground and injuring his shoulder or pressuring him and sacking him causing interceptions or tipping the ball, that is the key to Jameis’ turnovers and how many times did the rest of our poor OL cause Jameis to run for his life last year and force bad throws? This won’t change much this year until we put Cappa at LT and move Smith to LG where he will be a star as a road grader. But a good OLC would have already moved Smith inside but we have incompetent WarFLOP who tells everyone Smith is a Top 3 LT. Ridiculous! If that one change is forced and Dotson stays healthy you will see Jameis as an Elite QB this year. As to McCoy he was our top sacker last year despite double teams but with Vea taking the double teams this year McCoy will be a double digit sacker and with an excellent 2d DL in rotation this year McCoy should be fresh at the end of games to win games. On short yardage we can put Stevie T and Vea inside and Unrein and Allen outside of them and then PFF and Curry and Gholston outside of them without even putting McCoy on the field and nobody will be able to run on them.

  51. pick6 Says:

    alot of those mishaps are clustered into a few games. you could take his 2 or 3 worst games out of any given season and he looks like an amazingly efficient QB. obviously everyone improves when you delete their 3 worst games but for a boom or bust player like Jameis those “Bad Jameis” games drag his stats further down than most

  52. BucEmUp Says:

    Those 3 plays happen when he remembers his team has the league’s worst defense across the board.

    Mike Smith is the largest problem for every individual on the roster and staff. I said the day he was hired. Give Jameis an average defense and those bonehead plays go away. He has no choice

  53. NorCal Buc Says:

    Very average? Only qb ever to have back to back 4000 yard seasons to start his career , has improved his rating and comp % all three years . Honestly he just needs to fix the fumble problem even his pics haven’t been that big of a deal because they come in bunches in just a couple games. Obviously he needs to not throw any but the pic numbers are actually very misleading when it comes to outcome of games . Jameis has us in position to win a bunch more games but either the kicker missed or the D gave up a score . All the haters need to watch when the guy completes 65% of his balls and throws 30 tds and only 10 pics this year.

 

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