A McCoy Hater, Jameis & Winning
February 2nd, 2016
For those unaware, Joe presents truly extraordinary golf events/tournaments. At Sunday’s sold out extravaganza in Palm Harbor, a Bucs fan approached Joe and insisted that Dirk Koetter trade Gerald McCoy.
The fan’s mindset was simple, McCoy is a core Bucs problem because he doesn’t have a winning mentality. He’s too nice, too ok with losing, not competitive enough in his soul. And for all that money, the fan said, to have McCoy in a position of leadership is all wrong and Koetter needs to shovel him out the door to get the Bucs’ mentality on the mark.
The fan went on to say the Bucs need more players who get visibly offended if they lose a game of darts or tag, competitive spirits intolerant of losing.
Enter America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston. That Bucs fan like Jameis, of course.
Consider what Jameis told his hometown newspaper, AL.com, while in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.
“The main thing is we’ve got just got to get a win,” Winston said. “That’s all I’m out here for. I just want to win.”
Remember, Jameis was talking about the Pro Bowl, the freakin’ Pro Bowl.
Joe has no problem with McCoy. He’s an excellent football player. But his biggest issue lies with some fans and media who are hateful because McCoy plays below a Hall of Fame level, and because they believe he smiles and talks too much. None of that will change, unfortunately, unless McCoy rips off a dozen sacks during a winning Bucs campaign.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:06 am
It would be a different story if McCoy just faded in to the background now that there are true leaders in the locker room. It’s unfortunate that they are both coming off of their rookie seasons and the veterans aren’t those leaders, but the fact remains that they are the guys that are getting results and inspiring the play of those around them. I get that GMC was thrust in to a “leadership” role when there was nothing else to choose from, but now it’s time for him to sit quietly and just do your job. You’re clearly not a leader because you didn’t lead anything. Serve your purpose and stay quiet. Your “let’s all just get along” mentality is a detriment to those that are trying to cultivate a true win at all costs mentality that we’ve lacked for over a decade now.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:11 am
The McCoy/leadership problem has been solved. We now have a Pro Bowl, veteran QB that can carry the leadership for both sides of the ball. McCoy can now just strap on the pads and play.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:14 am
For the record, I wanted Suh.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:16 am
He’s been injured a lot too, so if there is an interested team …SELL!
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:20 am
@Bucco – For as much as I would like to move on, we need to have his replacement in house. McDonald is good but old. We need to bring in a stud DT that we can plug in and then we can send GMC off to whomever is willing to part ways with the requisite draft picks.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:27 am
There is no reason to cut McCoy. He is still very good and we do not need the cap space. We can easily cut him after next season, if need be, with most of his dead money off the books.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:30 am
@Nick – I agree. He’s certainly not bad and not worth cutting by any means. I don’t object to his place on the team, merely to the leadership status that he’s been gifted.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:33 am
Where was the fight in this defense, up in St.Louis, when the Rams defense was doing anything they could to hit Jameis. After Jameis got “cheap shotted” by Aaron Donald, our defense just sat back and let Case Keenum have his way. They didnt even try to rough him up. It was really pathetic. It showed how soft the defense is. And some of it was Lovie. But players have to take it upon themselves when their qb is getting pushed around.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:35 am
Nick and Patrick
Agree with both of you. McCoy’s “leadership” won’t be a problem going forward.
Fairly or unfairly McCoy became the leader because of his draft position and the absence of leadership on this team. There was a void and it sucked GMC into that position.
Now we have #3 and I’ll be curious to see how Kwon behaves in his second year.
He certainly seem to be a more fiery personality than either GMC or LVD.
Who knows we may sign a safety or CB that has a fiery temperament.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:35 am
Trooper, everyone wanted Suh, but we all knew if the Rams didnt take him at 1, then the Lions certainly would at 2.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:36 am
I get that fans want Aaron Donald or Kawan Short, but GMC plays on a line that you can play (name that lineman), where those other guys have really good players beside them. He consistently is top 100 in the league, believe me it could be worse, his replacement needs to be in house, drafted and developed, hence, you brought in Joe Hayes
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:37 am
People get on McCoy because he was supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sapp. He is not that, not the same motor (or mouth) as Sapp.
But to be fair to McCoy, BOTH of his bicep muscles broke loose and rolled up like windowshades during his first 2 seasons, so that must affect his arm strength. He is every bit as fast as Sapp off the snap, but never had the talent around him on the DL that Sapp had (Ahanotu, then Steve White, then Rice on his right at DE, & Culpepper, then later Booger McFarland on his left at DT). If Bucs can get some real talent at DE, McCoy can be dangerous and dominant. But he will never be another Sapp.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:39 am
I certainly trust Koetter & Mike Smith more than I do “a fan”…..
I think we need to keep adding players like Kwon to the defense and GMC will be less important…..just do your job & do it well. GMC does that.
We simply need more talent and that….we will have.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:39 am
Somebody in the comments literally just hated on the defense for Jameis getting beat up in the St. Louis game, that is incredible. Bravo sir/ Madame you have seriously taken blaming lovie/ McCoy/ defense to a whole new level of ignorance.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:40 am
I want to start out by saying if we want to be champions you cannot trade away your blue chip players when you already lack a solid roster to begin with. I do tend to agree this team has had a losing mentality for a long time now but trading away pieces of the franchise will not help you. McCoy is a good guy that has given us production. I would rather go to battle with good people around me than some guy with character flaws example Greg Hardy..
If it was my team I wouldn’t cut or trade anyone on this team unless I had to for cap reasons which by the way, we have 50 million in cap and a full compliment of draft picks. I would go through free agency getting starters and depth and finish it off by drafting the best players available during the draft. I am increasingly tired of watching guys like Revis, Penn, Bennit, Barron, Zuttah and more walking out of here for no good reason. Last thing I want to see is one of our star players traded for peanuts and watch him continue to be productive on another squad….
Pumped for this offseason go bucs!
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:44 am
I don’t think the solution is to trade him. For one, Jameis will ease his burden. And, if they can find a hungry dog at defensive end, it will further help. It’s just not in him. And, if you take the responsibility to lead away, it might help him focus on just playing.
The world needs Scottie Pippens too.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:48 am
@Love and Warrick Dunn
“The world needs Scottie Pippens too”
PERFECT!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:50 am
What’s wrong with quietly doing your job? I mean, not every DL is JJ Watt or Warren Sapp in personality. Just like Barry Sanders vs Emmit Smith, each has a different personality. Face it, GMC is NOT that guy. He’s the ‘bring your lunch-pale to work and get the job done’ kind of guy. He’s the focus of our ire because he’s one of the highest paid players on the team and we always compare him to #99.
Everybody has an opinion on GMC. Regardless of your view, stop comparing him to Sapp. Sapp was a generational player and a HOF’er. Temper the expectations, GMC is a GOOD DT.
Suppose GMC is/was the leader, who would be that guy after him? I don’t recall anyone on that defense stepping into that role. LVD and Kwon played well in stretches but “lead”, I don’t remember that. My point is that for all the grumbling about ONE GUY, we’ve given a free pass to others. It’s not like he’s the only All-Pro on that defense getting paid handsomely.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:51 am
I think the right answer is letting GMC play out his contract but drafting and developing a solid replacement who we can stick in behind him with a minimal drop-off in talent that might even be an addition in terms of nastiness and tenacity. Those advocating for cutting him are just grinding axes. He is a valuable player to have on the team, he just needs to be valuable and quiet. He can have a blog site where he talks about action figures and patting himself on the back for how hard he works out in the offseason.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:12 am
@Patrick- Agreed. And there’s nothing wrong with that. The guy is a good DT. It’s absolutely senseless to send a talent like that packing. The Bucs need to ‘stock the cupboard’ anyway AND regardless.
I wonder if GMC put up double-digits regardless of the win-loss record would we be having this discussion. My feeling is that with talent around him, he will re-emerge as one of the top DTs in the NFL. I still just don’t understand the criticisms.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:17 am
So many people wanting to run off a probowler… smh.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:20 am
What makes everyone think mccoy is so bad. You think lovies sorry secondary didnt make it a wee bit harder to get to the qb before he throws it. Damn some people are stupid…the guy is a lro bowl dt wtf is wrong with these idiots.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:28 am
I think we should all wait and see what kind of fire mike smith and most of all Hayes can light under mccoy
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:34 am
@Kevin- A lot of folks forget that the two (DL and DBs) are symbiotic and complementary, good point.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:47 am
Here’s my issue with Gerald: he makes way too much money to disappear from games the way he often does. Also, ask yourselves this question: when was the last time a dominant DT led his team to the Super Bowl? Is he a good player? No question. Could we find a replacement level player to step in and do his job? I think so. This isn’t just about stats, I mean everyone knows you get to the QB around the edge, so why are we investing so heavily in a pass rushing DT who often has a marginal impact on game outcomes?
At the end of the day, he’s worth more to this team as draft picks.
February 2nd, 2016 at 11:50 am
People who think someone doesn’t want to win or can’t lead because they smile and are nice are idiots.
Reggie White was one of the nicest guys to ever play.
So was Hines ward.
I seem to remember Ronde and Double Nickel smiling and being nice dudes!
Not everyone has to be an ass to play good.
And hundreds of others.
That is just a personality trait and has nothing to do with anything.
Not everyone reacts the same or acts the same.
McCoy is a top 5 DT in the NFL and with any kind of edge pass rush help, would be killing it.
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:03 pm
that was great when winston got McCoy to jump offsides in the probowl.
# When that new guy at work exposes your complacency
That said, trading McCoy would be infinitely stupid. Smith and Koetter know that (thank God).
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:06 pm
Trade him if you can get anything for a guy that is injured nearly every year… I won’t miss him… I would hope we could find another lineman that can get washed out during run plays, pushed back during goal line and get 8 sacks…
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:13 pm
One word describes McCoy.. Soft. He’s not physically dominating for his size. Nor is he mentally tough. He’s bigger than Sapp. But Sapp physically dominated, mentally dominated and athletically dominated. McCoy is soft on 2 of those 3. He may athletically dominate an Olineman, but that’s it.
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:24 pm
Stupid fans like to proclaim that a highly paid player should/can be traded. GMC is making over market value for what a good DT is. He isn’t worth his contract let alone anything else in trade. Why don’t people understand this? A free agent player’s value is his contract.
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:24 pm
How can you trade him… Who is picking up that check… No one..
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:31 pm
@ATrain
You can’t and no one. McCoy is on this team next year, barring retirement. Wasted breathe to suggest otherwise.
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:35 pm
I got nothing to add other than he’s 5 seasons in now. How much longer does he got before he diminishes to just average or below average?
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:41 pm
@buc1987
This upcoming season will be GMC 7th played seasson!!! maybe just 2017, 2018 and then a big drop off???
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:42 pm
Very doubtful.
February 2nd, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Realist well technically he was hurt, but dayum.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:08 pm
Thank goodness that fan is not our GM. You don’t get rid of Pro Bowlers. I guess not everyone has figured that out yet.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:11 pm
Biff pines for the day McCoy lines up at DE in a true 3-4 scheme. Worry? Not. Spence will jam up the middle.
McDonald or Gholston on the other side.
McCoy, a consummate pro/Buc will prosper because he’s having fun.
Lets get Quan and LVD shooting gaps.
Let’s hope Mike Smith knows these players can and will wreak havoc on an OC. Speed and a nose for the football you freaks
Best yet, the next snap goes straight back to a conventional 4-3.
Biff pines….
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:18 pm
If we could find a team to give us a first round pick for McCoy, fine trade him. Simply not going to happen, especially with his contract. My concern with McCoy is that he stays healthy. He is an elite player when healthy. I also do agree that he does not have the nasty streak we need from our defensive leader. Part of the problem is the players who play next to him need to be upgraded. Not only the DE’s but McDonald and Spence are not the answer and both were injured last year. Remember we don’t and will not be able to fill all of our needs in one year. Build for the future. This years draft has one of the best DT draft class there has been in a while. There are three DT who should be there at nine, who are worthy of that high of a pick unlike DE Noah Spence, who many people are saying is our consensus first round pick. DT A’Shawn Robinson Alabama (6-4 320), DT/DE Robert Nkemdiche Ole Miss (6-4 281) and DT Andrew Billings Baylor (6-2 310). We can get a quality DE and CB in FA. In the second round draft the best Safety available in the draft SS Jeremy Cash Duke (6-1 210) and this team is on their way. Mike Smith loves big nasty dominate DT so don’t be surprised if he drafts one in the first round.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:19 pm
@ biff
You need special permission from Joe to talk about yourself in the 3rd person. Howard was grandfathered in because he helped originate the 3rd person shtick way back in 2005.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:30 pm
McCoy is soft
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:42 pm
@ biff
You need special permission from Joe to talk about yourself in the 3rd person. Howard was grandfathered in because he helped originate the 3rd person shtick way back in 2005
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Joe almost banned me a while back…. but not for that.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:54 pm
Not a fan of McCoy but if you trade him, you better damn well get good value out of it. Now im not silly enough like some to suggest anyone is stupid enough to give us multiple 1st rounders for him LMAO. But offer a single 1st rounder and I’d ship him out.
February 2nd, 2016 at 1:55 pm
GMC is a talented D-Lineman, all he needs is a Defensive End that can produce at least 13 sacks, 6 Blocked Passes, and 16 QB pressures!!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:05 pm
@BigHogHaynes
Soooo, are you saying that GMC would be better as second fiddle on the D-line???
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Winston haters be like: “OMG Manziel is gonna get cut, Licht HAS to bring him here!!!”
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:16 pm
I wouldnt go so far to say that the bucs should run GMC out of town. But i share some of the same thoughts. Mccoy is a cool guy and fun to be around. But when it comes to football he doesnt have or has lost his winning motivation. I think GMC will take after and follow the lead of Winston’s message. GMC stepped into being a leader from day 1. he never really learned how to be the leader of a winning team.
I guess what im trying to say is he isn’t an inspirational leader. He might be everyone’s friend and someone the players turn to for leadership, but he doesn’t seem to really motivate his followers. They just follow him like sheep with no enthusiasm.
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:30 pm
I am surprised and mildly concerned that Hawaiian Buc Fan has not blown a gasket and or defended McCoy based on this thread yet. I hope he is doing well.
I am on the fence with McCoy personally. First off Popularity is not Production and being a nice guy only counts in Society not on the football field.
Being injured is not an excuse or justification for not doing your job. If you go to work and consistently perform below your capabilities you will be fired regardless of your health. McCoy has missed a lot of games 17, I believe plus parts of numerous others that is not justification for lack of production nor disappearing in the 2nd halves of games.
I was really disappointed in GMC with the entire have fun your rookie year speech he gave Winston. I have no doubt he meant well but that is not the attitude I want on my team from anyone, from the towel boy to the biggest star.
And for the trade GMC crowd he has ZERO value on the open market giving his age, injury history and contract. Won’t happen. Best case scenario is he gets with the program stays healthy and thrives in Smith’s system.
I have not been this excited for an upcoming bucs season in years. Koetter and Smith must produce. I have faith that Bonzi’s best buddy Licht will do a great job supplying groceries for them to work with.
Go Bucs! It’s a great time to be a fan!
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:35 pm
all the fans with the GMC only needs a DE to make him better are dead wrong. Truly great players elevate players around them. If GMC is tripled and quadrupled like so many like to profess even an average Dlineman should have increased production. The biggest difference between GMC and true superstars is the fact they make players around them better GMC does not. GMC is a good player not great and a nice piece on a dline but NOT an elite player. It’s ok to be good only if you are not being paid to be great.
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:42 pm
I am sure that the first thing Coach Mike Smith has told the whole defense is to get back to playing weight!! Lovie’s plan to keep players extra light and fast just to get worn out in the third quarter is now over with!!! In preseason Gmc if he did not blow past the o-line he would get washed out in blocks. Hopefully we will see a much more consistent GMC this year if Coach Mike Smith can coach the lovie out of him!!!
Go Bucs!!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:50 pm
great point Realist… I have always disagreed with any coach or strength guy that has a blanket policy of lowering players weight. Each individual is different. ever player has their optimal playing weight for the position they play. weight is an individual player by player evaluation. I am not real sure Mr. Lovie Smith was the best judge or qualified to determine what was best for any situation anytime much less players weight. but I regress. Go bucs.
February 2nd, 2016 at 2:55 pm
Ill say it again….lovies defense sucked….gerald mccoy is not going to dominate on a dline whos secondary allows 5 yards slant passes for 4 straight quarters. Please explain yo me how that works in your burnt out minds!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:01 pm
Kevin….was McCoy dominate before Lovie got here?
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:04 pm
Kevin
even before Lovie’s crap defense can you please give me ONE example of GMC dominating a game or even a huge stop on 3rd down or a game saving stop in the 4th period. Since it has never happened you can not. GMC is a good player but far from an elite game changer like he is paid to be.
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:05 pm
87
did not catch you post did not mean to duplicate.
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:08 pm
tmax…it’s okay I understand. I don’t waste time when I see someone making an invalid point followed up by calling us burnt out minds.
February 2nd, 2016 at 3:54 pm
“But his biggest issue lies with some fans and media who are hateful because McCoy plays below a Hall of Fame level, and because they believe he smiles and talks too much.”
Nonsense Joe! Just nonsense! Big players win big games. A player touted and paid like McCoy needs to play big with the game on the line. If he got 15 sacks and none of them were when it mattered then he still would not be worth the money. He does not make the plays when the game is on the line. The JAX (I believe) game this year was the exception and to that I say every squirrel gets a nut some time. He lacks that killer ultra-competitive instinct that Jameis has and someone being paid like McCoy should have. I am not in the camp that thinks you have to be a Sapp (disgraceful human being) to have that instinct. But if you are not like Sapp or cannot flip the switch then get off the damn field for 1. Second, if you insist being on the field give some of the money back!
To quote The Replacements, “winners want the ball.” McCoy does not want the ball. He has demonstrated that his biggest concern is what to do in the off-season. He and his line mates are what set Jameis off at the last presser. Winners do not do that. This is the biggest issue. It is heart, want to or whatever you want to call it. Nice guy or not Gerald does not have it.
February 2nd, 2016 at 4:30 pm
Joe would get massive wood if we trade Glennon for a pick and get Johnny Football as a back up to America’s Quarterback.
February 2nd, 2016 at 4:57 pm
Besides Jax, He also made clutch plays at the end of the game against Atlanta. Also when we were 0-8 under Schiano, he made consecutive plays to stop the Dolphins and give us our first win of the season. Those are the only 4th quarter plays I remember him making single-handedly in the last 3 years, prob had some help in others but I can’t remember amidst all the agony.
He’s still one of the top 3 DTs in the league. And we have so much cap room, who cares what his salary is?
All the posters who say to trade him, you’re delusional if you think any team is even giving up a single 1st rounder for him. Therefore a trade won’t equate to greater value than what McCoy currently is.
Get him 1 DE that can consistently pass rush, AND play the run. Just 1. Then imagine if we had 2. McCoy is not Sapp, never will be. If he’s not making everyone around him better, then get at least 1 person around him who is actually better! I want better play from McCoy like everyone else, and I suspect the new coaching scheme + him gaining more weight will have a positive effect on that.
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:17 pm
Should’ve drafted Donald instead of Evans. Don’t get me wrong, I’m an Evans fan. I just salivate at the thought of GMC and Donald killing rbs and qbs all game long.
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:42 pm
Just a small point to those worried about what he gets paid…. Is it your money??? That said I don’t care what they pay a guy… I want 4 D Linemen just like GMC… The problem is not him or the money he makes…. Simply put, he is only one piece to the 53 man plus coaches puzzel…
And as far as what did he do before Lovie… Well what did Lovie do??? Make things better??? Cause truth be told our secondary has been getting lit up for years!!! Nothing GMC can do about that!!! However our run D has remained as consistent as anything we have going… Reason??? Double and triple teams do roll to the best D Linemen and other s make the play… You figure out how to get the QB off his first and second reads a dozen times a game or so… GMC easily has 10 plus sacks a year PLUS THE SACK WHEN YOU NEED IT MOST…. THE PROBLEM has nothing to do with GMC or anything to that effect… He is not elite because he is not being put in the proper position to be elite… NOT HIS FAULT!!!
So you get me a DB and safety that can make a difference with LVD and Special K trolling the field Josh McClowning fools (See preseason Browns game) we don’t need a DE… The average guy…. ie Simion Rice…. Become great!!!!
Simple as that… Except it ain’t so simple
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:47 pm
@unbelieveable… I was writing the point about not carrying what he makes before or as you were posting….. Unbelievable!!!! 🙂 people really care about that…. Invy???? Guess they should learn to suck as bad as they say GMC is…. LOL….
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:47 pm
87 and tmax……no, because before lovie got here our defense had a soft secondary that played 10 yards off and got killed by slant passes as well. That was the whole reason why many were so excited when they hired lovie becasue oue defense sucked and he was a guru. Are you saying before lovie got here we had a good secondary? For the last 7 seasons our defensive backs have looked clueless. So I would say any top rated talent on a d line playing with no other help or pressure around him and a soft secondary is going to have trouble getting sacks. If you watched mccoy he had lots of pressures over the years, problem is that there has always been a number of wide open recievers for the opposition to throw to. Put the dbs in position and add an edge rusher and mccoy will shut a lot of people up. I am not sold on mike smith but hopefully he pan out. I would just like to see some friekin press coverage and it sounds lime our corners will get the opportunity next season
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:48 pm
Then again I don’t care one way or the other about McCoy like I said. I just want this team to someday put heat on opposing QB’s. By heat I mean even a fingernail from time to time. When they finally sack the QB, I don’t even get excited anymore. I just say WOW they got a sack in a sarcastic tone.
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Kevin…so you’re essentially making excuses for McCoy as far back as what season? 2011, 2012, 2013?
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:55 pm
Kevin…yes that would be perfect. Add some edge rushers. Only I don’t think it’s his haters that will finally shut up. I think it will be the other way around.
He did have Bennett in 2012 which amounted to 5 sacks in 16 games.
February 2nd, 2016 at 5:59 pm
Excuses? Explain how hes supposed to be a double digit sack guy with no other dominant player on the line and wide open recievers? You cant deny that every single series players are wide open within 2 seconds. And if its not dounle digit savks your looking for what is it??? The guy stops the run and gets pressure when hes not double teamed. Like all of the other players this team has let go over the years….he would go somewhere else and raise hell becasue he has been put in a crap situation. How many DTS out there are having more success with a secondary allowing a 70% completion %????
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:06 pm
Put banks, verner and moore on an island and send the dogs. After they do that a few times in a coupme games the oline will be so worried about blitzes from watching tape our front 4 will get some pressure on theyre own. Jam the damn recievers for once instead of giving thwm half the field to roam free like its backyard football. That alone will make a difference. Its been the same crap for years not just under lovie again which was why people were so excited for him to come here two seasons ago. Its been bad. Bennett got 5 sacks in limited fasion. I would bet some of those 5 sacks by mccoy came in the same games bennett was playing in the starting rotation.
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:08 pm
I meant mccoy got 5 sacks with bennett in limited fasion and I think he played banged up that year as well
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:08 pm
How many years has this been going on Kevin? You making excuses for McCoy? 2011, 2012, 2014?
“Like all of the other players this team has let go over the years….he would go somewhere else and raise hell becasue he has been put in a crap situation.”
No he wouldn’t not if like you say he doesn’t have any edge rushers on his next team. Fans act as uf EVERY player the Bucs let go ALWAYS shines on other teams. That simply is NOT the case if you put those 10-12 players that actually looked good after they left Tampa against the 100’s of other players that sucked after Tampa let them go. Yet no one ever talks about those guys, so they are quickly forgotten
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:13 pm
Kevin..isn’t he ALWAYS playing banged up? Isn’t he ALWAYS getting double teamed? He has about 2 decent seasons left in him and if you ask people outside of Tampa or Florida who Gerald McCoy is, most people have no clue who he is.
When he retires he will be forgotten very easily. Perhaps not by you, but not too many people even know who he is outside of Tampa. The Pro Bowl is nonsense. Notice how I didn’t get all excited about Winston making it even though as of right now he is by far my favorite player on the team.
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:21 pm
Ok…..ill put it in order. First the secondary has to improve. It doesnt matter if you had mccoy donald bennett whoever on that line. We have the WORST secondary in the leage. Dead last. If guys are wide open nobody is going to get the job done. So while I would Love to see an edge rusher added yes, the secondary needs o be fixed. Its needed to be fixed for a long time. But mccoy is a victim of the perfect friekin storm. Everything around him is wrong.
I am.aware that there jave been a ton of players let go by this team. In fact there have been tons of players let go by every team in the league every season. But if you ask any bucs fan what players have been let go by this organization over the years that improved theyre play, they would all give you the same list of names. Its no secret why they perfrom better elsewhere. They are being coached better and playing amongst better talent around them.
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:27 pm
The good thing this team has going is our three starting corners….or should I say our three corners that should have all been starting last year are starting caliber and it sure sounds lime mime smith is going to let them play some man. If that happens mccoy will have a good season. They do need depth at corner but ai like our starters. Again, mark barron and desean goldston left here and improved. To bad we dont still have those guys mike smith would probably be drooling
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:27 pm
Popularity Does not equal production. with his injury history and the lack of consistent elite production he should have never been given that kind of cash. How many elite players have finished the season on IR 3 or 4 times and have to have fans make excuses that they played hurt for the majority of the season. Basically, 5 of GMC’s 7 seasons have either ended on IR or him being portrayed as a martyr for playing hurt all year.
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:30 pm
let me be clear. I don’t blame gmc for the injuries but the bottom line is you can not help your team in the tub. your best ability is your availability at 100%… cant remember who said that but its the truth.
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:39 pm
I disagree about the pay a bit!! When the deal was signed, the bucs were and are a bad team!! Bad teams have to pay about an extra 25% of what market value is!
Just think of it as extra for pain and suffering having to play on a lovie team that was THE bottom of the league!!
I ,like some, are interested in salaries as how they pertain to the salary cap!! It is telling of your team status and what kind of GM you have!! If there was not cap then I would not care who made what!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 6:50 pm
I agree that bucs have to overpay for a couple of cycles until they are competitive and respectable which they have not been in a decade plus. hopefully with the new coaching staff that is not trying to live in or recreate the past and a legit franchise qb obtaining respectability will be a bi-product.
February 2nd, 2016 at 7:42 pm
LOL…. GMC is a beast…. Everyone always picks on the best players of bad teams…. As if its third fault everyone else sucks…
How about this… Let’s all hope he dies…. Problem solved…
February 2nd, 2016 at 8:23 pm
This debate annoys me. Gerald MCoy is very good…. He isn’t a first ballot HOFer, but even Sapp needed Rice to make the Tampa 2 dominate. McCoy literally has never had a legit threat off the end to help him. Sapp and Brooks needed 8 years to win it all. Find someone else to get pressure PLEASE!!!!!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Hope th Bucs get super Mario for a Demarcus ware type contract 3 years $33 millionish put him next to McCoy and hide the women and children you can’t double team both those guys it’s always been McCoy and scrubs put a viable threat next to him then you can properly judge him
February 2nd, 2016 at 8:29 pm
And draft Noah spence 1st round hopefully trade with Rams to the 15th pick pick up one of there 2nds package both 2nds move back late 1st pick up Braxton imabadman Miller get safety help 3rd n 4th picks then o and d Line depth 5 n 6
February 2nd, 2016 at 8:57 pm
@alstott up the gut
you do know that Rice did not come to Tampa till 2001!!! Sapp already had many great, and I mean great years!!!! look up Sapp stats before 2001!!!
Sapp did not need Rice to be great!!!!
And Mark Alstott was always a terrible blocker!!!
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:07 pm
Getting rid of McCoy would be as bad as letting Michael Bennett leave. Unless someone wants to offer a high 1st and a great player as well, which will never happen, he isn’t going anywhere. A top DT in the league doesn’t get traded. I would like to see him paired beside someone like A’Shawn Robinson from Bama. That would be a dominate force inside. And Robinson has that win at all cost attitude. Maybe he could push GMC to be even better. And possibly get those 12 sacks.
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:36 pm
Mr Buc Realist: I don’t care if it’s third fiddle, he needs help on that D-Line! I can recall games when Rice was the man, when Booger was the man, when ChiChi was the man, when Culpepper was the man , when S White was the man, it takes more than one dominate D-Lineman, GMC needs help!
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:42 pm
@Guzzie
Only a fool would trade two second round picks to get back into the 1st for Braxton Miller. Although we do need another WR at some point this offseason. I personally like Tyler Boyd from Pitt. He has had 3 great seasons in a row and has speed. Something we really need. He would be my pick in the 2nd if we draft a defender at #9 in the 1st.
And Noah Spence is a good player but getting banned from a conference, not a school, the entire conference is a bit much. Especially with potential talent like A’Shawn Robinson, Ronnie Stanley, Mackenzie Alexander, and Vernon Hargreave’s available at #9. Not worth the risk.
If we were to trade down with say Philly at 13 or STL at 15. I would look at Emmanuel Ogbah from OK State. He is a beast on the outside and could start from day one. All he lacks is the refined techniques that he will be taught. He has amazing potential. He could be a possibility at #9.
In the scenario where we trade down to say 15 and pick up their 2nd. I would go with Ogbah at 15. Then at 39 I would draft either Kendall Fuller or if he falls I would draft Eli Apple. With either 43 or 45 I would draft Tyler Boyd from Pitt. He can be our #2 WR or in the slot. This would give us a starting DE in year 1, starting CB by the 2nd year at worst, and a starting WR either this year or next depending on VJax. This would be my dream scenario based off your suggestion.
February 2nd, 2016 at 9:57 pm
“You can’t live soft and play hard.”
-Warren Sapp
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:30 pm
Kevin it’s starts up front and not the back.
February 2nd, 2016 at 10:53 pm
The thing that bothers me is we all know what Jameis brings in the leadership department but we aren’t in the locker room. Ronde Barber was a big time leader on the defense during our hayday but he wasn’t all that outspoken and fiery regarding his leadership style. There are a lot of ASSumptions being thrown around here. I pretty much agree with the majority as far as my knowledge goes of McCoy’s leadership qualities. It lacks passion and an edge. That said, I think it’s risky to ASSume that Lavonte David doesn’t have a much larger leadership role than we know.
February 3rd, 2016 at 9:02 am
we have a new sheriff in town for d coordinator that knows that getting off
the field is more important than a bendy, breaky defense. Lovie’s defenses
were forced to stay on field way too much.Its only fair to evaluate any player
on the team after new coordinator has a chance to put a team on the field
I am not sure why McCoy was still playing after the torn labrum or rotator cuff
injury,it wasn’t going to heal on the field.A friend of mine recently had rotator cuff surgery and after 7 or 8 months he is still in pain and said he would never do it again.
February 3rd, 2016 at 5:34 pm
Buc Realist:
All the more reason to get McCoy help. Sapp was dominant (and obviously a first ballot HOFer) but he needed that serious threat coming off the end to complete that front 4 pressure. McCoy is not Sapp…. Cannot believe running a Tampa 2 the past couple of years that a serious DE wasn’t a higher priority!
Bighoghaynes:
Preach on!