Warren Moon Talks Jameis Winston
February 4th, 2020
Hall of Fame QB Warren Moon checks in
Bucco Bruce Arians runs an accountability-themed regime at One Buc Palace, though that accountability rarely seems to be directed at the coaching staff and front office.
No change to Arians’ giant staff has been announced to date after the Bucs had their share of issues in a 7-9 season. Joe hasn’t heard of any additions or subtractions to Jason Licht’s personnel team staff, either.
Yes, players, including Jameis Winston, deserve plenty of blame and credit. But Joe thinks coaches deserve their fair share, too.
Hall of Fame quarterback Warren Moon pointed a finger at the Bucs coaching staff last week as he firmly stated that Jameis is too good to cut loose.
“I think they should [sign Jameis] because he had a tremendous year production-wise. Of course he turned the ball over more than he should have, and he would be the first one to admit that,” Moon told Oakland-based blogger Zennie Abraham.
“But I think that coaching staff can help him out by not putting him in situations where he has to throw the ball as much, be a little more balanced running the football, some more high-percentage throws where he doesn’t have to throw the ball down the field as much as he does. You throw 30 touchdowns and over 5,000 yards; you cut those interceptions in half and you’re having an MVP season. That’s something I’m sure he’s going to work on in the offseason.”
In an interview on the Tennessee Titans official website, Moon also pointed a finger at Bucs management for not giving Jameis a veteran QB to learn from early in his career. He had the same scolding for the Titans with Marcus Mariota.
That’s an especially interesting take considering how Patrick Mahomes seems to worship Alex Smith, and the Chiefs appear ready to give Smith a Super Bowl ring even though he’s on the Redskins’ payroll.
Of course, one could argue that Ryan Fitzpatrick arrived in 2017 and taught Jameis how to throw radical totals of interceptions, but Joe won’t hold Fitzpatrick accountable for that.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:02 pm
Yes. It’s was Fitzpatrick that taught jameis how to throw int.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:02 pm
funny how some people will defend him to the end of the earth while blaming everyone else.
how many careers and lives has he ruined already.
drop the crabman.
and moon sucked!
February 4th, 2020 at 1:09 pm
Robert what is wrong with looking at all factors involved instead of just blaming one player when it is a team sport?
What I would say is it is amazing that some people want to blame one player when so much has been factually flawed around said player.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
@Robert
Bring us a qb that can throw 5000 yds. Avg 25td yr. and develops WR into pro bowlers without a defense and running game. Oh also add 3 head coaches in the mix 2 GM that have fail by selecting kickers on the second round and these kickers have cost us games /points.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
Bad coaches, bad receivers, bad defense, bad offensive line, bad special teams, bad running backs,..bad-bad-bad.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
[Sorry. We’re not going there. And to use the other celebrity’s name in your original comment is just begging to throw gas on a fire. Am sure you can have this debate on other sites. Not here. — Joe]
February 4th, 2020 at 1:11 pm
I forgot Robert … add to the mix the team most penalized in the nfl in the last 5yrs.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
How is it asking too much for Jameis to throw the ball when he throws ints on his first series?
February 4th, 2020 at 1:16 pm
A Hall of Famer “sucked.” No need to read any of your screeds any longer with that blast. What next, Lawrence Taylor was a stiff?
February 4th, 2020 at 1:16 pm
You don’t only have to give Jameis high-percentage throws, you will have to teach him not to stare down the receiver, how to check-down to those high-percentage throws, how to calm down in a clean pocket, how to look off the linebacker.
All the stuff most QBs learned in kindergarten.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:22 pm
Why is all the Greatest players say keep JW and then all the sorry players or.guys who are not athletes say to cut him?
February 4th, 2020 at 1:26 pm
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to win with a top paid QB. This team doesn’t need JW to win, in fact, they’ve lost games because of him. Throwing a pile of $$ at JW will make them weaker on both sides of the ball due to the cap. Even if he were a difference maker at QB it could be argued that wouldn’t be enough to overcome the lack of resources available due to his contract. Average salary for starting QB plus rookie QB contract would be the way I’d approach it; furthermore I’d move Mike Evans on draft day which would allow more flexibility in the draft and free agency.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:29 pm
Agreed!
The Bucs can make any excuse they like,
It’s a cop out for laziness and lack of smart personnel and game plan.
If Licht can stick around in any fashion, Jameis should be welcome and wanted.
Lichts tenure is the definition of tremendous ups and downs.
Who would disagree with that?
Jameis has tremendous upside.
Is Arians more concerned for maintaining his feel good self proclaimed politicking legacy or for a challenge and a commitment to digging in and winning with a unique, generational talent?
Let’s see if this team has any balls
February 4th, 2020 at 1:30 pm
Moon sucked??? I don’t know how old you are, but Moon most definitely DID NOT suck. Dude threw for 39 MILES.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:30 pm
why does this site continue to have jabs at fitzpatrick? he isnt a starter we needed but did his job well on and off the field. he started 2-0. yes he fell back to earth but what has been the difference with his play and jameis? both under performed but we expect jameis to better. he was a good backup and he should have been retained. i get the coddling of winston looking over his back but now we have nobody behind winston and we may not even have him. yuck
February 4th, 2020 at 1:31 pm
And I’m not just talking about his passing yards. He went to the post season 8 years in a row.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
If Moon didn’t have to go to the CFL because of the color of his skin he would of ended up the all-time passing yards and Manning or Brees wouldn’t of broke it yet.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
Jameis had his fewest attempts in Week 17
Yet still turned it over twice. It’s not about his attempts it’s about the lack of accuracy and bad decision making
February 4th, 2020 at 1:40 pm
Smashsquatch says: It’s becoming increasingly difficult to win with a top paid QB.
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But some facts regarding the 2019 playoffs:
Bills – Rookie deal
Texans – Rookie deal
Titans – Rookie deal / vet deal*
Patriots – Vet deal
Vikings – Most GTD money ever
Saints – one of leagues highest paid QBs
Seahawks – one of leagues highest paid QBs
Eagles – one of leagues highest paid QBs
49ers – one of leagues highest paid QBs
Ravens – Rookies deal
Chiefs – Rookie deal
Packers – one of leagues highest paid QBs
12 teams
4 rookie QB salaries
8 vet QB deals
6 vet QB deals at top of the market
*Mariota on rookie deal / Tannehill on vet deal – Tannehill was the reason they went to playoffs
1/2 of the playoff teams have QBs with deals that set the new avg. yearly money (Packers, Seahawks, Vikings, Saints, Eagles, 49ers)
February 4th, 2020 at 1:42 pm
thank you loyal…..
starting games….and ending them with pick 6’s a 9 year old would not throw is not a starting QB, no matter how many jump balls he throws to pro bowl WR’s
February 4th, 2020 at 1:43 pm
I’ll add that the Texans, Chiefs and Ravens will extend their new QBs sooner rather than later, which will again reset the market.
Will those three teams all of a sudden be deemed non-competitive because their QBs are getting paid?
NO!
February 4th, 2020 at 1:44 pm
Many can criticize Fitz…..but considering he made $3 mil in 2018 vs….the 2019 $20 mil for Jameis…….everything is relative….
You could certainly argue that …..for the money…..Fitz was better.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:46 pm
” Of course he turned the ball over more than he should have, and he would be the first one to admit that,”
Been admitting that for five years..
He Ballin’
February 4th, 2020 at 1:47 pm
I’m not saying he does not have potential and could not go on to be a starter….but the odds are WAY against him. the risk/reward just isn’t there.
especially with what it would cost….spend it elsewhere. a game manager is what we need. I have said that consistently since being here. It’s not about me hating JW….it’s about me hating the fact that he is the momentum killer and has not progressed. he is what he is at this point. What I hate is not being able to watch a game with optimism. it’s a joke.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:52 pm
Fake news. Dumbo is out of here. I heard he was in Iowa counting votes and kept stopping at 21. I kinda felt bad for the extra chromosome fool for having to pull down his pants to get to 21. I’m just glad he was wearing flip flops…
February 4th, 2020 at 1:53 pm
Yo Robert: you have finally come to your senses. Did he dump you?
February 4th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
Moon suck! Wow! And we are conversing with these type of Bucs fans. Interesting views.
February 4th, 2020 at 1:59 pm
Joe JW threw INTs way before Fitz was a teammate, this goes all the way back to his college years.
JW has always had turnover issues and either you decide to live with Captain Turnover or not.
With a better running game you can protect JW some from himself, but he will always be a turnover machine. He is going into year 6 in the NFL he is what he is.
February 4th, 2020 at 2:01 pm
I dont think the quarterbacks in the draft that will be available to the Bucs are worth a damn or they would take too long to get up to speed, meanwhile JW has chemistry with ME and Godwin and and others, the QB draft is too much of a risk at #14.
work on o-line and get a massive running back to wear down the defense. Trade for Fournette or get the big dude running back in the draft(6’0″ and 248lb) cant think of his name. Run the damn ball with better o-line and throw less. Resign the defense-every last damn one.Try that for a year, see if that works.
February 4th, 2020 at 2:04 pm
and get some kicker competition-he lost us 2 games all by himself!
February 4th, 2020 at 2:17 pm
Warren Moon…who next? Jeff George? Michael Vick?
February 4th, 2020 at 2:18 pm
I don’t think Jameis is worth a damn when you consider the $30 million asking price and the most turnovers in the league. Somebody, anybody else! Please. Insanity is watching us invest in the losses/turnovers. We will be “ballin’” all the way to another losing record. 🤢 🤮
February 4th, 2020 at 2:19 pm
Interestingly the last eight SB champion QBs have all been on either team friendly deals or rookie contracts:
2013 Flacco (signed huge deal after SB)
2014 Wilson
2015 Brady
2016 P. Manning (last year of his four year deal)
2017 Brady
2018 Wentz-Foles
2019 Brady
2020 Mahomes
February 4th, 2020 at 2:34 pm
It’s becoming increasingly difficult to win with a top paid QB.
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That’s the statement. You need to win to make it to the Big Game.
The team that won in the end didn’t win because they had a rookie deal or a team friendly deal.
They won because the team had more points than the other at the end of the game.
But yes, the general consensus of drafting superstars to load your team on rookie deals SHOULD be the best way to win.
But it doesn’t guarantee shi**.
February 4th, 2020 at 2:35 pm
STEVE YOUNG
BRETT FAVRE
WARREN MOON
TERRY BRADSHAW
TONY DUNGY
DEION SANDERS
ALL believe Jameis is the answer in Tampa and think the Bucs would be crazy to let Jameis go … but the IDIOTS on this forum disagree. The author of that book was right, Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome is real in Tampa! So many stupid people in Florida … who would’ve thought that the state that gave us “Florida man” would also give us “Jameis Winston Derangement Syndrome”, HAH.
February 4th, 2020 at 2:52 pm
Warren – are you implying of all the coaches he’s had, since college, didn’t notice him throwing interceptions and tried to adjust to help him? WTAF?
In BA I Trust!
February 4th, 2020 at 3:05 pm
I’m doubting how much film of Winston Moon has actually watched. So many of Winston’s interceptions were on high percentage throws. Most of them were on short comebacks and short curls. Anything to the boundary is at risk of getting picked. What routes should they be giving him?
“Don’t make him throw down the field as much”? Barely any of his interceptions were on down field passes. Most of them were in the short and intermediate. Which is what makes it so funny when Joe wants to put Winston in a West Coast style offense, where most of your routes are in the short and intermediate.
Let’s hear the next pile of BS spewed by an apologist. Has there every been a QB with more excuses for poor decision making?
I have an idea, let’s give this QB $30 million a year, give him mostly high percentages throws to complete, and not have him throw it very much and let the running game carry the load. Money well spent.
Give the guy elite money, but don’t force him to do what elite QB’s are supposed to be able to do pretty easily. I get it now.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:23 pm
Dak threw for 4900 yards, 30 tds, and 11 ints. I mean, doesn’t those numbers sound better?
Player 1: 5k yards, 33 tds, 30 ints
Player 2: 4900 yards, 30 tds, 11 ints.
I don’t get how people can defend Winston as if what he did was this godly thing. 5k yards passing is great! But I’ll gladly exchange that 5k yards for 4500 yards with far less ints.
You just can’t win games when your turnover ratio is damn near 1:1
Remember ladies and gents, 121 points were scored by the opponent off of Winston turnovers.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:35 pm
I don’t think you can blame coaching for our lack of running game. They did after all help RoJo take a stride in develpoement.
I think that issue is like you say Joe how we need more talent at that position. And while the OL should not take all the blame they could certainly use a upgrade in the runblocking deptartment.(just look at our short yardage offense for proof where push from the OL is key).
A big factor that hurt our RBs last year was that they had to sink almost all our resources into fixing the defense. If you remember we had no avialable CAP room after free agency & all most our draft picks went to defense. Maybe we draft an RB last year if we still didn’t need a freaking kicker after Licht botching that position for 6 consecutive seasons…..and still looking.
This year we have very little holes on defense after we resign our guys. RB better be a priority or I will rip my hair out.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:37 pm
i hope we bring him back on a 2year 50mil deal with only 1year 25mil guaranteed…..
bring back everyone on defense….
draft a RT, DT, DE/OLB, FS, RB, OG/C….
sign conklin in FA…
sign gordon in FA…
hell sign the honey bager in FA….
thats leaves no excuses for JW…..he’ll have his defense, RB, weapons and coaching staff…..
anymore help and the bucs will be called “santas little helpers”…lol….JW already gives away all the gifts….lol…
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 4th, 2020 at 3:43 pm
The risk reward for Jameis is totally there obviously.
You can’t teach 5,000 yds.
You can teach/coach picks.
I said all year if guys are jumping his routes the coaching staff needs to incorporate more pump fakes.
If that last pass to Brate was a girl and go, he picks up 30+ yds.
At least half the blame rests solely on the staff and they know this.
Jameis will be much better in year 2 and so will the staff.
They will tag him and make everyone think they want a QB round 1 so who they really want falls in the draft.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:44 pm
* curl and go
Already did the girl and go thing lol
February 4th, 2020 at 3:46 pm
I’m not the smartest man in the world, but if I didn’t know any better i’d say Joe is trolling you Winston haters lol. Sidenote, @Joe’s is there a reason I’m not able to submit a comment on my phone? When I type my comment the ‘Submit Comment” button disappears.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:51 pm
Jameis for 300 million and 10 years is the move. Fully guaranteed. He will play out his HOF career and IRa will push for him to get in the Hall. Go Bucs! In Jameis I Trust!
February 4th, 2020 at 3:54 pm
GotBucs
Very well put.
February 4th, 2020 at 3:59 pm
Robert Says:
February 4th, 2020 at 1:02 pm
“…moon sucked”
I want to be mad at you but your comment is so dumb I’m laughing lol. This is a prime example of people making comments and not watching any type of football.
February 4th, 2020 at 4:10 pm
I have an idea, let’s give this QB $30 million a year, give him mostly high percentages throws to complete, and not have him throw it very much and let the running game carry the load. Money well spent.
Give the guy elite money, but don’t force him to do what elite QB’s are supposed to be able to do pretty easily. I get it now.
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Exactly. Pay him elite money to be a game manager. Thats what the fan boys say we should do. Makes absolutely no sense. But these fan boys swear they are smarter than everyone else. LMAO
February 4th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Warren Moon is one of the greatest…
What he says holds more weight than all of you wanna be GMs that get on here and trash Jameis everyday on every single article…
February 4th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
maybe moon was Joe Montana with the Oilers, I’m not that old…….just remember a pencil legged unmemorable qb for the Vikings.
So, I’ll eat crow if he’s a SB winning Manning, Brady, Brees etc…..or Newton when he ran the ball. a game changer I mean.
February 4th, 2020 at 4:37 pm
Another “throwing the ball down the field too much” excuse. Funny then that nearly half (13) of Winston’s 30 interceptions this year came on distances traveling less than 10 air yards down the field, with 20 coming on plays of 15 or fewer air yards. But sure, it’s BA’s fault.
February 4th, 2020 at 4:51 pm
BRING JAMIES BACK
BRING JAMIES BACK
When you throws the same CRAP NO MORE EXCUSES
Although this was said last year and the 5th year was his prove it year
THIS IS IT
DEFENSE IMPROVED
KICKING ACTUALLY IMPROVED ( believe it or not)
ROJO IMPROVED
YOU KNOW WHO DIDNT JAMIES
BRING HIM BACK
February 4th, 2020 at 4:59 pm
@Joe … “Of course, one could argue that Ryan Fitzpatrick arrived in 2017 and taught Jameis how to throw radical totals of interceptions, but Joe won’t hold Fitzpatrick accountable for that.”
Kinda a low blow Joe. Fitz is a class act and did quite well in Miami this year considering what he had to work with (a team that was working their butt off to tank?). Fitz had a 5-8 record in 13 games, throwing for over 3,500 yards with 20 TDs against only 13 INTs. Project that to 16 games like Jameis had and his stats would’ve been 6-10 throwing for over 4,300 yards with 25 TDs against 16 INTs.
Considering that Fitz had a much worse running game than Jameis had (1,156 rushing yards), had only 1 real receiver (Devante Parker) and also had the WORST DEFENSE in the NFL (494 Points Allowed), then I’d say Ryan Fitzpatrick actually had a better 2019 season than Jameis Winston had.
February 4th, 2020 at 5:04 pm
Another “throws the ball downfield too much” excuse. Why then did 13 of Winston’s 30 interceptions come on distances traveling less than 10 air yards down the field, with 20 overall coming on plays of 15 or fewer?
February 4th, 2020 at 5:05 pm
Moon’s correct. yr one jameis was thrown into the fire touted as Boy Wonder. No tutorlege no nothing. Not sayin that’s significant Butt……
February 4th, 2020 at 5:06 pm
Robert, Warren Moon is but a mere Google search away. Do your homework.
February 4th, 2020 at 5:17 pm
The problem is he’s still going to have to throw the ball in crucial situations. Does anyone really trust him with the ball at crucial moments. His last interception (among many others) against the Falcons proves you cannot.
February 4th, 2020 at 5:22 pm
firethecannons Says:
February 4th, 2020 at 2:01 pm
I dont think the quarterbacks in the draft that will be available to the Bucs are worth a damn or they would take too long to get up to speed, meanwhile JW has chemistry with ME and Godwin and and others, the QB draft is too much of a risk at #14.
work on o-line and get a massive running back to wear down the defense. Trade for Fournette or get the big dude running back in the draft(6’0″ and 248lb) cant think of his name. Run the damn ball with better o-line and throw less. Resign the defense-every last damn one.Try that for a year, see if that works.
I’m pretty sure that Back to Back sophomore year MVPs and a Super Bowl in year 3 for Mahomes debunks your theory that you shouldn’t start over with a rookie QB .
Also …. neither of those guys were drafted in the top 10 . If anybody can say they saw that coming , they are probably lying . You never know if the next guy is better until he is installed .
February 4th, 2020 at 5:24 pm
I’m not a JayMiss fan, never was. JayMiss needs intensive off season work with competent coaches to learn how to break these bad habits. That’s the kind of coaching that the current CBA doesn’t allow.
Remember back to his suspension in 2018. He left camp looking like a world-beater and after three weeks of “organized” workouts at Skyway Park came back with terrible mechanics and a deer in the lights look about him.
BA is on the backside of his career and has limited time left to turn this mess around. We really need to trust that BA will examine all QB options available and choose carefully how to proceed.
Peace, out.
February 4th, 2020 at 5:35 pm
I want Jameis back for 2020, for 2 reasons. I think his turnovers will decrease, and I don’t want 1 year of Philip Rivers and have to draft his replacement in the 1st Round. That’s too much transition. That said, if the Bucs go the Rivers route (if Brady goes anywhere it’ll be the Raiders IMO) I won’t complain about the decision. Will all of the Jameis haters complain if he’s back in 2020?
February 4th, 2020 at 5:36 pm
Warren Moon was great. In college, in the CFL, and in the NFL.
February 4th, 2020 at 5:38 pm
Jay miss needs to go, he always makes a crucial mistake at the wrong time. It has nothing to do with our bad defenses or 3 different coaches excuse. The Atlanta game was a perfect example he had a clean slate and first throw was straight to the other team.
February 4th, 2020 at 6:22 pm
Maybe we should look to the free agent QB’s and traded versus forcing something with Jameis. Better leverage too.
Go Bucs!
February 4th, 2020 at 6:30 pm
I’m in the trust BA camp. One thing I do take comfort from if BA brings #3 back.
2019 has exhausted the VERY LAST BLAMELESS EXCUSE!
I don’t want to hear oh the TEAM is bad…that is no longer true..especially if we score a tackle and RB in the draft and sign our FA’s.
2020 will SURELY be it right?
February 4th, 2020 at 6:58 pm
I trust BA, also. We’ll be better in 2020.
February 4th, 2020 at 7:11 pm
FLboy 84,
Your point is very good. But I am having trouble with the math. Jameis had 20 INT’s under 15 yards of which 13 were under 10 yards?
February 4th, 2020 at 7:20 pm
I am not sure that Jameis throws down field too much. But I am sure he looks downfield to much or too long and missed a “hot reads” for a first down when all that he needed for a first down to the giants 30 was 5 yards. He throws a terrible INT to a safety and lost a chance to go finish out the drive and ice the game.
February 4th, 2020 at 7:50 pm
Poor Joey has to find anyone crazy enough to tout the turnover machine that exist on earth. There’s a part of me that wants to see you get exactly what you’re hoping for, more futility and failure via the crab leg stealing idiot. Maybe after a decade of no playoffs and empty stadiums with Loseton we can move on. Joe’s credibility will then be destroyed forever. #NoPlayoffs
February 4th, 2020 at 8:23 pm
The funny thing is is that the majority of his picks were on higher percentage passes. He struggled on short routes and excelled at chucking it down the field. He was something like 19 TDs to 1 INT in the redzone. I think he can be fixed. And I think he can be helped by better playcalling, running game, and D.
February 4th, 2020 at 8:33 pm
Funny comments this time of yr every yr.
Supposition is the Mother of all Mothers
February 5th, 2020 at 2:24 am
As great as Warren Moon is, I don’t accept his logic. You know who had an MVP season? Mahomes with 26 TDs and 5 INTs. The Chiefs are a Vertical Passing offense, so you can’t say he dinked and dunked his way. You know who else had an MVP season? Lamar Jackson with 36 TDs and 6 INTs.
Jameis Winston had an average season because of those 30 INTs. I won’t say below average, as that would be a lie and unfair. But, even cutting his INTs in half does not give him an MVP season compared to his contemporaries.
If he would accept a team-friendly deal to AGAIN prove it, then sign him. But, he does not deserve 23-24M a year on a silver platter. No way. It has to be a 1 year deal at around 15-18M AFTER meeting some contract escalations due to low INTs.
February 5th, 2020 at 2:38 am
The fact of the matter is, Jameis will be Jameis. You can’t coach the competitiveness/hero out of him. He is a fair weather QB, not a QB who can come from behind. You cannot rely on Jameis to put the team on his shoulders and come out unscathed.
So, it’s time to realize the DNA of the player and move on. He’s had a LOT of coaching and no one can get through.
People want to say that all he needs is a running game. But, if the team is down 14 points, and the entire league knows what kind of player Jameis is, all they’re going to do is load the box and force him to throw. Hack a Shaq.
February 5th, 2020 at 11:53 am
Great post Gotbucs!
$100k?: Who sincerely expects Secret Santa to string together 3 to 4 nearly turnover free playoff games which, a quarterback HAS to do to win a Super Bowl? He can hardly do it in the regular season!
February 5th, 2020 at 4:56 pm
Black don’t crack!
February 5th, 2020 at 11:13 pm
Wording was a little skewed @Bob in Valrico, apologies. 20 of his 30 picks were throws of 15yds or less, with 13 of those 20 picks being 10yds or less. Not sure how else to put it really. Point is it wasn’t these long down-field throws that caused most of his interceptions as some like to contend.
And @Brandon, play calling, the running game and the D are not the problem. It’s obvious his issues lie between the ears. Listen to his last game presser. He takes “snap and clear” to a whole new level, which is something that obviously can’t just be coached out of him. He’s got to be willing to change that mentality, which he so far has refused to, even though he affirms that he will after practically every game. It’s probably going to have to take the team moving on from him for him to realize i’s time. A 4-game benching wasn’t enough evidently.