“They Should, But They Won’t”
February 16th, 2020
Decision Jameis.
There will be two wild reactions to this.
Good guy Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report has come to his conclusion. The witty columnist will make half of Bucs fandom rejoice in glee this morning.
The other half? They are likely to rifle their mug of coffee through the kitchen window.
In a piece where Tanier makes a call on what each team with an unsettled quarterback situation will do, Tanier is certain what the Bucs will do.
Question: Should they move on from Jameis Winston?
Answer: They should, but they won’t, because the only alternatives (someone proven but past his prime, or someone unproven) aren’t real upgrades. This is what it looks like when an organization paints itself into a corner at quarterback.
One other element here that bears mentioning: Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians has often said it takes at least a half-year for a quarterback to get the hang of his offense. Usually, it is a full season.
Does Arians, at 67, really want to go through another season of training a quarterback to learn his offense?
February 16th, 2020 at 8:09 am
So are you saying BA is going to dump the Bucs if he fails with Jameis next season and the replacement QB is not on the roster ?….
February 16th, 2020 at 8:11 am
If Jameis accepts incentive laden team friendly contract- he stays
If Jameis demands $30 million guaranteed- he’s gone
February 16th, 2020 at 8:14 am
The Bucs will bring in Rivers, he’ll have no problem picking up the offense. BA, and Rivers both have two good years left in them. We’ll sign Rivers to a cap friendly two year deal, and draft a QB, probably Eason. If Jameis was worth keeping we’d be talking about for how long, and how much. We wouldn’t be mentioning the franchise tag, or whether we should be bringing him back at all. With all the QB coaches we have Clyde, Moore, Lefty, the whisperer himself not drafting a QB like Eason would be a crime. Rivers, Eason in, Jameis Winston gone. Book it.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:20 am
In hindsight, Jason Licht is the real villian here; he drafted JayMiss and extended him for a fifth season when America’s Turnover Machine should have been jettisoned years ago.
Koetter knew JayMiss was unfixable two seasons ago, but Licht had already painted him into a corner.
Glazer boys must have sensed something was terribly wrong when the Uber incident became national news, but Licht had already painted them into a corner.
All around, no guts to do the right thing.
I fully expect one of the Glazer boys to attempt the straight faced announcement that JayMiss is the answer.
What a sorry mess
Peace, out.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:22 am
Second year in an offense for a quarterback who is 25 years old who threw for 30 tis, 30 ints and over 5000 yards.
or
First year in an offense with an old quarterback who threw 23 tis and 20 ints that can’t push the ball down the field and will be coming from a team with a run game to one without one ( bad OC )
Keep Jameis
February 16th, 2020 at 8:23 am
Be ready for more losing and empty seats.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:24 am
Alan, reread the article. There are no better alternatives. Just saying “he’s gone” is pretty dumb. Maybe you didn’t see the strides the defense made last year but they are definitely a playoff caliber team next year but only if they bring back Jameis.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:24 am
I’m leaning more towards a rookie (Eason) , allocate the 20-25 million you’d save from a washed up vet and build the DL and OL
Draft
Rd 1 Jacob Eason QB UW
Rd 2 Raekwon Davis DL-Bama
Rd 2* Jalen Reagor WR-TCU / Henry Ruggs III WR-Bama / KJ Hill WR-OSU / Justin Jefferson WR- LSU
Rd 3 Logan Stenberg G- UK
Rd 4 Matt Peart OT- UCONN
Rd 4** AJ Dillon RB- BC
Rd 5 Terrance Steele OT-Texas Tech
Rd 6 Matt Turk P- ASU
*Combine Picks from Brate & Howard trades to move back into the 2nd RD and select one of the WRs
**Compensatory pick (projected 4th Rd pick)
***Obviously 31 other teams get a vote and said players may or may not be available where I have them. Drafting Eason @ 14 is a reach but I don’t think he’ll be there when we pick in the 2nd and in my scenario we need a QB which is why he’s the 1st rd selection. Best case scenario would be to trade back in the 1st get more picks and still draft Eason.
Sign/resign
Barrett
JPP
Suh
Nassib
Leonard Williams
Bryan Bulaga or Jack Conklin
Release/Trade
Brate (Trade/Release)
Howard (Trade only due to dead cap)
Pinion (release, nobody trades for a punter)
February 16th, 2020 at 8:24 am
Losing and empty seats guaranteed.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Poor NPR and his Winston derangement syndrome. You know why he wasn’t jettisoned, because he can lead an offense to a top 3 offense with almost no running game and can be a top 3 QB in touchdown passes. I am sure you miss Glennon a lot but the rest of us will enjoy the playoff run next year on the are of JW!
February 16th, 2020 at 8:28 am
Regardless…….we need to draft a QB…..
February 16th, 2020 at 8:28 am
That’s about all you want Joe, is a reaction. Isn’t there a kicker article you can write about?
February 16th, 2020 at 8:29 am
arm
February 16th, 2020 at 8:29 am
Jameis doesn’t not have to nor should he give this minor league franchise where careers go to die a discount. Parole Jameis give the youngman a shot at success. George Harrison and Yoko’s boy toy have a much better shot at a comeback this year than bucs being successful under the glazers and this washed friends and family 2.0 staff…
February 16th, 2020 at 8:30 am
TouchdownTampaBay-
Bridgewater is better than Jameis because he makes better decisions and he Wins.
Only issue is his mobility.
I don’t want Rivers or Dalton, but Bridgewater or Tannehill works because they don’t blow games
February 16th, 2020 at 8:35 am
Organization painting itself in a corner? Bucs better be concerned about stepping
in quicksand or a landmine if they keep the status quo. After five years Jameis’s
mistakes are still proving costly to the team,IMO. There are still areas of Jameis’s game that will require a lot of effort to correct and the hardest part may well be getting Jameis to buy in since he has stated in the past that he doesn’t think he has to listen to coaches.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:39 am
narrow minded Alanbucsfan
You realize cancer93 and his little sidekick LVD have blown FAR more games than jameis has the last 5 years but let’s not let facts get in the way anti jameis derangement syndrome victims…
There is reason the majority of the nation laughs at bucsfan thier ignorance is second to none….
Im now convinced they used bucfan as extras in deliverance
February 16th, 2020 at 8:46 am
Interesting observation…..yesterday while at the playground in Hyde Park, Jameis shows up to play with his son. There was about 50+ people at the park, 12-15 of those were teenage boys playing pick up games of b-ball. NOT A SINGLE PERSON SHOWED ANY INTEREST IN WINSTON. No request for an autograph, a picture with him, nobody shook his hand, nothing. Winston even attempted to engage with the teenage boys and they were completely disinterested.
I stood there watching and thinking…..that’s pretty bad when a pro QB can walk around in public and nobody even cares. Adults are one thing….I can understand how they might not want to bother him with his kid, but one would expect teenagers to at least grab their phone to take a pic to post on social media. I think that’s a real problem for the organization, not only is the guy highly inconsistent but he just doesn’t appeal to the fan base.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:47 am
Ole stale biscuit has to be wondering how he got stuck in this situation!!!!!!! “Word on the street”, is that ole stale biscuit knows he can’t fix jay-miss!!!!! But he can’t jay-miss walk away, because then all the fans will ask why licht Wright is still the GM???? And why is stale biscuit here just to retire in a year!!!!! And why draft a new qb to fit ole stale biscuit’s when ole stale biscuit is leaving in a year or so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So the only solution, was sign “blameless” cheap, and sign free-agent in hope that the roster was finally good enough to “DRAG” jay-miss to meaningful games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And when Jay-miss’s camp released that they wanted 30 million, ole stale biscuit was p!$$3[ !!!!!!!!!!!!! He was a new shade of purple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now ole stale biscuit sits in a “no win” situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 16th, 2020 at 8:47 am
Just draft Eason. Sheesh.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:49 am
Bridgewater is a game manager and would not work in Arians offense. Also, why would he live a very good team like the Saints when Brees has one foot out the door. He isn’t leaving New Orleans.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:59 am
Bob, please reference the quote where Jameis says he doesn’t need to listen to coaches!
February 16th, 2020 at 9:02 am
Game manager qbs dont win championships they exist to please 1 dimensional low standard bucfans incapable of understanding football since they were brainwashed by the ignorant one dimensional dungy the clown and his infinity for losing games 10 to 7 based on his overwhelming fear of scoring points and the clowns inability to comprehend offensive football
February 16th, 2020 at 9:03 am
Insanity is trying something over and over again and expecting a different outcome! 5 years, 5 losing seasons. Interception after interception. And some want to keep trying to make Winston into something has has proven over and over for 5 losing seasons that he “cannot” be, a winning QB.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:04 am
There never was a good alternative untill now. Most of the potential draft QBs the last 2 years were just not that appealing even at that time: Rosen, Haskins, Daniel Jones. This years crop seems better: Herbert, Fromm, Love seem decent, Tua might even drop enough to trade up for.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:08 am
TouchdownTampaBay-
Bridgewater will get $20 million from some team this year.
Saints can’t pay him and Brees.
A $30 million contract for a QB is for a proven winner, not a talented potential hopeful.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:13 am
Bridgewater “managed” to beat Gators and Canes in bowl games.
Bridgewater “managed” to get Vikings in playoffs
Bridgewater “managed” to go 5-0 with Saints last year
Jameis “managed” to win a National Championship and Heisman.
Jameis “managed” to throw 30 picks last year , his 5th unsuccessful NFL season
February 16th, 2020 at 9:17 am
Every time I have seen Jamies in public there have been plenty of people wanting to engage with him, especially kids and I am very confident Both Joe’s and Ira would confirm the same thing.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:18 am
NPRSageBoy. Says:
“In hindsight, Jason Licht is the real villian here; he drafted JayMiss”
Not accurate. Lovie made that call and Licht had to agree to it. That’s on record.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:22 am
Architek Says:
February 16th, 2020 at 8:23 am
Be ready for more losing and empty seats.
I guess you have just woken from an 18 year coma…. since i am a compassionate man ill let you off easy this fine Sunday morning……. the seats have been empty long before jameis arrived
February 16th, 2020 at 9:24 am
Seats being empty means nothing to glazers….stadium revenue is chump change compared to the charity aka revenue sharing glazers receive from league every year
February 16th, 2020 at 9:27 am
Alanbucsfan
Bridgwater is also as fragile as kwonni i cant tackle Alexander but i realize your anti jameis derangement syndrome doesn’t not allow for objective rational
February 16th, 2020 at 9:33 am
Jameis has done far more for the bay area community than any of you ignorant daily jameis bashers… you fools are displaying your bad character and insecurity here daily while jameis is making a real difference with kids…. when’s the last time you haters volunteered in the community or visited a sick friend in hospital… no one throws rocks and hides better than hypocrites
Let me help out our friends in pasco, polk and Charlotte counties community service is not volunteering…..
February 16th, 2020 at 9:36 am
Here we go with the Phillip Rivers malarkey again…
In his 16 years he’s had plenty to work with and still has not won anything significant.. And this Eason talk is just as ridiculous (Not a fan of Pac 12 QBs).
Lol Buc fans are hilarious; just a reminder, the Bucs was a dumpster fire way before Jameis played a game.
In my opinion to be a winning franchise you need:
1. Great ownership
2. Competent GM
3. Solid coaching
4. Good defense
5. Consistent QB
Too start
Yes Jameis has struggled with consistency but can we honestly say that we’re good at the other 4 bullet points.
Yep it’s all Jameis’ fault
February 16th, 2020 at 9:37 am
I never really understand why people say “I would keep Jameis only on a team friendly contact”. This is the most impactful position on the field. Yes we only won 7 games but we got Winston on the cheep so we could pay other folks. I don’t see Winston signing for less than the franchise tag HERE. Perhaps somewhere else where he can get a fresh start without the hate.
The only question is can we win with him? If so sign him or franchise him. The carrot is you can franchise him multiple times. That is the leverage to work out a deal. If I were him I would take the 27 million, prove I can cut the turnovers and win and then hit FA.
February 16th, 2020 at 9:40 am
Ok Joe, whatever I said to hurt your feelings I’m sorry.
Can you please stop sending all of my comments to moderation…
February 16th, 2020 at 10:04 am
This is the most logical argument that can be made for this decision. We cannot go backwards people.
We KNOW what we have with Jameis. I would not take issue if the Bucs retained him short-term in lieu of stepping backwards in talent. Either way, they better have a plan ‘B’ in place for good measure. We don’t have a back-up QB right now, or am I the only one that has noticed?!
February 16th, 2020 at 10:07 am
Mike Tanier.
Bleacher Report.
February 16th, 2020 at 10:08 am
Bridgewater is better than Jay Miss. Go sign him and let Mr. Interception go!!!!
February 16th, 2020 at 10:13 am
Really. TMAX
Check the Bucs QB on the SB team ( game manager)
Second are you
Saying a LB has more control over a Game than the QB
TMAX you and NDog (who are probably Jamies in disguise) Love to Throw Stats on Jamies 5000 yrds but ignore all the others
Then Forget Stats when it comes to other players
What other player gets 30 million a year?
What other player gets 6 years to prove himself ( Jamies has not or there would be no question)
What player has more singular control over the game.
The QB that’s why it’s the highest paid and most important
But y’all make stupid EXCUSES
Jamies will DO nothing in his career except made pad his stats
February 16th, 2020 at 10:14 am
One question for the clueless Bridgewater brigade answer me this. how many 16 game seasons has Bridgewater completed during the past 5 years????
February 16th, 2020 at 10:16 am
Winston is a cancer.
Y’all blame the defense for given up points
No Crap they gave up points after having one down off before having to fight another series
Or get the ball back ONLY to have Jamies turn it over
Y’all claim to know football BUT FORGET players get tired of pulling others weight
February 16th, 2020 at 10:17 am
Tandyman Bridge water I decent the only problem is he’s made of glass…He wouldn’t last 2 seconds behind our over-paid subpar offensive line…Next
February 16th, 2020 at 10:38 am
Some of you want to draft QB Eason with our first round pick. Lol. The dude is predicted to be drafted in rounds 3-4.
First round = Right tackle
Second round = Running back
Third round = QB (Eason)
Fourth round = Safety or DT
February 16th, 2020 at 10:53 am
I’ve yet to see a mock or anyone’s project Eason to be available in the 3rd. The 2nd yes I’ve seen it, but no way he makes it to the 3rd. Daniel F’ing Jones was taken with the 6th pick lol, I’d say 14 is okay to take Eason just my opinion though
February 16th, 2020 at 11:02 am
Drafted QB do not have a 100% success rate in the NFL.
February 16th, 2020 at 11:03 am
He’ll be back and we will dominate.
February 16th, 2020 at 11:05 am
@jpp
PFF has Eason going in the 4th. Go look it up right now. Several other mock drafts have Eason going in the 3rd. It’s honestly too early to tell where anyone will be going. But there are several mock drafts that has Eason being drafted after round 2.
February 16th, 2020 at 11:12 am
Tmaxcon
Low standard “Jameis worshippers “ put yards over wins
Jameis has potential upside, but he’s not elite yet
The “defend Jameis” clubmembers are delusional
February 16th, 2020 at 11:12 am
Just franchise tag Winston and give this one more year. 2nd half of the season was better. Hell, it’s been 15 years since the Bucs have been relevant, what’s 1 more?
February 16th, 2020 at 11:21 am
“This is what it looks like when an organization paints itself into a corner at Quarterback ”
That’s the very best description that I have heard yet about what the Bucs have done to themselves with Winston.
Now we will see how long they want this mess to continue
February 16th, 2020 at 12:23 pm
I said when Arians was hired he was not a Loser. And he’s not. I am predicting right now we go to the playoffs with the cardiac kid Jameis. His interception ratio will improve. Maybe to not what we want but it will improve. They will franchise him for one year.
February 16th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
Enough of the Phillip Rivers nonsense, please.
February 16th, 2020 at 2:57 pm
Tdtb,It was in an archived article that tickrdr brought up a couple a days ago.where Jameis said he didn’t have to listen to the needed to get his swagger back and be Jameis. His soul searching was also done in front of a mirror .
February 16th, 2020 at 3:26 pm
What a cowardly approach not to make a move and stick with a QB they know is not the answer as opposed to at least trying someone new.
February 16th, 2020 at 4:07 pm
Licht has put us in a bad spot, again.
February 16th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
@TOuchDownTampaBay
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/02/jameis-says-he-told-himself-to-disregard-coaching/
It was reported here, by Joe, February 14, 2019
February 16th, 2020 at 4:11 pm
@TOuchDownTampaBay
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2019/02/jameis-says-he-told-himself-to-disregard-coaching/
It was reported here, by Joe, February 14, 2019…
February 16th, 2020 at 4:13 pm
Sorry for multiples!… Tablet kept dropping out…
February 16th, 2020 at 4:18 pm
Assuming it is the link messing up…
@TouchDownTampaBay
Written by Joe, February 14, 2019
Jameis said it was all about self-evaluation.
“I had to look at myself in the mirror and say, ‘Hey Jameis, what do you have to do?’ Jameis explained. “And that was simply, ‘Get back to playing Jameis Winston football. Be yourself. Have that swag. Don’t try to be something that a coach is trying to get you to be.’ You know, you gotta go and be you.”
Well, that there is easily the greatest piece of evidence yet that Jameis was very down on his past Bucs coaches.
February 16th, 2020 at 5:20 pm
Tye
By the same token , If the coaching staff took steps to bench Jameis for Fitz there was a message being sent to Jameis. Multiple Interceptions are inexcusable.
In year five there still is no proof that the message was received.
February 16th, 2020 at 5:31 pm
If I was behind said mirror and Jameis asked that question. I would say in my best Fred Sanford voice Get smart you Big Dummy.
February 16th, 2020 at 7:07 pm
Carson Palmer threw 7 picks in the final 7 games of his first season under Arians. Winston threw 16… over twice as many.
So that Arians learning-curve argument is not going to be a valid reason any more for keeping Winston.
You could make that same argument about the Chiefs or the Ravens a couple years ago. But they had the guts to try something different.
Sometimes you have to climb down from the top of the hill if you’re ever going to reach the top of the mountain. Unless you’re happy being mediocre.
February 16th, 2020 at 7:39 pm
@Nancy,
Carson Palmer was also 34 years old vs a 25 year old Jameis Winston.
I don’t know for sure but Carson Palmer was probably more mature than James Winston at their particular ages running Arians offense.
Carson Palmer quote,
“Just the experience of being in that system and having an offseason to go back and watch himself play 16 times and learn from his mistakes… I mean, there was a lot of yards. I think he led the league in yards. He had [33] touchdown passes, but he threw 30 picks. I don’t know how many picks I threw in my first year, but it was a bunch in [Arians’] system. Because there is no easy throws in that system. There is no three-step game. Everything is long, deep, play-action, five-step, seven-step drops, posts, digs, deep down-the-field, long-developing plays. It’s a really, really difficult offense to come into in year one and just light the league on fire. If Jameis is back, I expect those picks to be cut in half and he’ll throw for 5,000 yards again easy in that system.
But lets take Nancy’s word for it.
February 16th, 2020 at 8:13 pm
Just need another Brad Johnson to get to the SB……
February 17th, 2020 at 9:01 am
We need a change , Jameson is not the one sorry.And we New ownership Glazer’s do not like to spend money on the Bucs.
February 17th, 2020 at 12:33 pm
Wtf is the problem? Its not hard to throw to mike evens n Godwin. They are giants for wide receiver. And winston couldn’t connect with desean jack? Like whats going on here? Drop him or take a pay cut and sit on the bench bro lol hes pretty good quarterback not great so whats the problem here? Weakest link is obviously qb
February 18th, 2020 at 1:53 am
@JP_09 says take Henry Rugs in the 2nd LMAO.
Plus a whole bunch of gibberish I didn’t even read because honestly, well, would you?