October 29th, 2019

Remember safety Mike Edwards, the rookie safety Todd Bowles was so high on?

He didn’t play against Carolina in England. Officially, he was active for the game but was kept out because of concern for his recovering hamstring, but Joe wrote on these pages that Joe was not buying it. The rookie was benched for Andrew Adams.

Well, Edwards was not on the injury report last week and he played just one defensive snap Sunday in Tennessee. He didn’t play at all on special teams.

Remember, Adams was evaluated by the Bucs and they didn’t bring him back this offseason. Then, Detroit cut Adams at the end of August, and after around 10 days of unemployment later he was back in a Buccaneers uniform. He’s not someone who should be beating out Edwards.

Something is going on with Edwards. At least fellow rookie third-round pick Jamel Dean plays special teams.

On Sunday, 2018 second-round pick M.J. Stewart was inactive for the game. The Bucs cornerbacks actually on the field had an unimpressive day — again.

Joe wrote before the season that Bruce Arians would need at least one of his three rookie defensive backs to have a great season for the Bucs to be successful. It hasn’t happened, and it’s downright scary that the position was a major Bucs priority in the draft.

54 Responses to “Doghouse?”

  1. Easy Says:

    This organization is just plain baffling.

  2. Mike in MO Says:

    Great work Joe. Your article confirms what we already knew about Gumps drafting prowess. How long Glazers, how long must we bear with this incompetent GM?

  3. Coburn Says:

    Yup… only consistent with this team is that they consistently sjw that they have no idea how to evaluate the talent om this team. Like play musical chairs and see when music stops who does ok. Puff a guy up and then bring your discarded player off the street when another player throws him in the trash… Polish him off and make him your starter. .meanwhile you have a couple talented tight ends you can’t figure out how to involve and may trade a talented guy other teams want because f that

  4. Troy Says:

    It’s not just Licht. It’s his entire scouting staff. You can’t whiff on this many DBs and know how to evaluate them. Something isn’t right. 3 coaching staffs and we can’t get a single DB who can play. I’m not buying it. I’m thinking we’re not drafting guys that can actually play NFL-caliber pass defense. You can’t coach a player to be talented. At a point, the player hits his ceiling. Unfortunately, our players’ ceilings were all hit in college.

  5. knucknbuc Says:

    stupidest organization in the league i tell ya. Thanks jason! hopefully this doesnt mean edwards ends up in lichts wasted pick graveyard. we should sign licht to a lifetime contract hes been so awesome.

  6. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I would settle for two having a great season. Or even one. Development can be frustrating.

    For what it is worth, I do believe Davis is improving. He’s nowhere near a finished prkduct, but he is getting better.

  7. tmaxcon Says:

    Bucs have never been consistent nor has this franchise ever developed players… on field results prove it. In 42 years you can count on 1 hand how many high draft picks that lived up to thier draft position so i ask why are you people surprised… nothing new here…. everything about this organization is low rent minor league. Bucs have never competed at a respectable level consistently and they never will

  8. danr Says:

    spoke with a member of his family at my hotel. I didnt bring up his playing, and his family member volunteered his hamstring he is battling.

    For what it is worth.

    He thought he was close enough to playing a large faction of his family came down from cincinatti to come see him and stay in a hotel, even bringing a lot of young kids.

    I think you are chasing smoke here. (unless you have an unofficial source on this one and he doesn’t even know he is in the doghouse, if that is true, then what is the point of the doghouse if you don’t know you are in it)

  9. danr Says:

    made it sound like he keeps getting setbacks with that hamstring

  10. Buczilla Says:

    Licht and this scouting department are responsible for this mess and need to go. If any coaches had significant input then they need to go too. How sad is it that Jordan Whitehead is the only decent db that Licht has drafted? Lol, it’s a gosh damn crime! For all that is holy Glazers, fire his sorry a$$.

  11. buccs99 Says:

    VH, CD, Dean, SMB, MJ Stewart, Justin Evans, Edwards, Jordan Whitehead. thats 8 guys drafted during lichts time and i feel im still missing someone. Not one of these guys have wow’ed at any point. Thats on Licht and thats on these coaching staffs.

  12. 813bucboi Says:

    andrew adams was on the wrong side of the field on the first TD….

    whitehead, SMB and VHG played well imo….

    CD gave up 2 PIs and 2TDs….he had a horrible game….

    GO BUCS!!!!

  13. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Jason effing Licht is garbage!!! Nuff said!

  14. tmaxcon Says:


    Vh3bust has never played well pal… get his little fella out of your mouth please…. he sucks simple as that… i do hope you both are happy in your marriage to each other maybe you guys can adopt a babby so someone in the family has talent

  15. Son of Kobe Faker Says:

    “Its Tuesday and Perriman is still on the team?

    We cut Perriman we get a 4th round compensation pick. Why is Perriman and Dare Owhatdoido in the penthouse?”

    Son of Sam

    “I cant wait till Sunday, I have 10 plays each for Perriman and Dare ”

    Gary Coleman

  16. D-Rome Says:

    Bucs fans have been in the doghouse since 2002.

  17. jjbucfan Says:

    813 second PI was ridiculous, he had every right to that ball. Took away a turnover and kept their drive alive. One of the Tds was inexcusable, the other was an incredible pass and incredible catch, it’s gonna happen. I think we are getting close. VH3 playing better in the slot but still not world beating. Hopefully dude can come on big time after the trade deadline passes, I’m sure they are all playing a little “puckered”

  18. jjbucfan Says:

    Perriman should have been cut before week 1. Also seems like we are getting a lot of hamstring injuries again this year. Either training staff needs to be replaced or this is the coaches deactivating players without humiliating them.

  19. idiaznet Says:

    Joe you appear to want things both ways. It is obvious that these players are “Playing soft, (Scared)”. We wanted accountability. Now the coaches are benching players that were not following assignments and now we are mad because they are not playing. We saw Sunday what happens when players freelance. It costs games. Just let BA and this staff coach. This was not a 1 year playoff team. It is also not a complete rebuild. They are one of the youngest teams in the league that needed leadership and they now have it. I know it is tough but you need to trust this staff to get this right. They are in games even after all their mistakes they are not getting blown out like previous years. Just let the season play out rather than trying to make things happen.

    I love your site, but this year it seems more of a drag to read than ever before. You have gone from major insight you what appears to be drastic opinion site. I hope things get better. But will wait and see.

  20. 813bucboi Says:


    he played well vs san fran….one of the best if not the best team in the league…..

    GO BUCS!!!!

  21. TiredBucsFan Says:

    Licht cant draft.

  22. NPRSageBoy Says:

    More wasted draft picks from the BA / Licht BS team.

    Enough already! Clean this dumpster out, sanitize it for MRSA and start over!

    Enough BS from this coaching staff who gushed praise on these losers all off-season.

    Peace, out

  23. Barbosa Says:

    I haven’t posted much lately due to the year being basically over before Halloween yet again. However- one topic that is NEVER talked about ( but I have an insider that confirms this) the Bucs are EXTREMELY cheap on the size of and quality of their scouting department. I don’t understand why, especially when the talent pipeline is so scary. Why doesn’t anyone or local media ever talk about this? Since Gruden’s dad was kicked to the curb in scouting, there is no talk about it at all. Points to weak ownership (surprise surprise)

  24. tmaxcon Says:


    what do you expect joe to write when he covers a minor league crap franchise with no hope and incompetent owners. glazers have no intentions of fielding a competitive team. they have failed on two continents in two sports… there is nothing positive about this small market irrelevant franchise

  25. orlbucfan Says:

    idiaznet Says:
    October 29th, 2019 at 10:18 am
    Listen, I hear you. I’m one of the long time, long suffering Bucs fans you’re commenting on. I’m genuine. I also agree with your assessment of the vitriol on this site. There are plenty of cyber places to frequent about this team. They are appreciated, too. The Bucs are one of the most frustrating teams in NFL history. Truth. 🙂

  26. Bucs Fan Since ‘76 Says:

    Remember when Big Dog pressured the Glazers into firing Gruden with his daily onslaughts? I wonder what would happen if this site pressured them to fire themselves as the decision makers of this moribund franchise.

  27. Jmarkbuc Says:


    We spend all our money paying guaranteed contracts to terminated coaches, and/or hiring a coaching staff of 100….

  28. Anonymous Says:

    Trying to figure out who gives you the best option to win on defense prob is pretty challenging now on the other side of the ball not targeting ME13 in the 4th quarter last game an trying to spread the ball to NOT your playmakers is what’s I can’t figure out an it’s frustrating yes I’m looking at you BYRON LEFTWICH WTF bro get your play makers the ball. Godwin Evans Brate rojo Howard wen he is in. Don’t give the dam ball to #44 or #19 or even Tanner those guys arnt playmakers what is killing us is dump play calling

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    buccs99 Says:
    October 29th, 2019 at 9:42 am
    VH, CD, Dean, SMB, MJ Stewart, Justin Evans, Edwards, Jordan Whitehead. thats 8 guys drafted during lichts time and i feel im still missing someone. Not one of these guys have wow’ed at any point. Thats on Licht and thats on these coaching staffs.

    You are missing one…..Ryan Smith…..

    I think Jordan Whitehead & Carlton Davis are acceptable but not exceptional….

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    October 29th, 2019 at 10:35 am


    he played well vs san fran….one of the best if not the best team in the league…..

    GO BUCS!!!!

    i am not sure a couple of lucky plays constitutes playing well but I give you credit you are loyal to the little fella

  31. BigMacAttack Says:

    Maybe Licht can trade his entire draft for a QB this time and get a player worth keeping. No, never mind, he’ll screw that up too and trade for Glennon.

  32. BigMacAttack Says:

    Maybe Licht can convince another team’s GM to pick for him.

  33. Pewter power Says:

    He’s a rookie it’s fine and understandable that he’s not ready. Just because rookie corners step in and play immediately doesn’t mean they all play well. He needs to learn game play, this ain’t training camp it’s real now. Long term he’s the guy just doesn’t have enough experience no different than justin evans but the way where is that guy

  34. BigMacAttack Says:

    Maybe the Glazers will wake up and just fire a Licht. Doubtful.

  35. BigMacAttack Says:

    Maybe they’ll just sell the Bucs and put us all out of our misery.

  36. FortMyersDave Says:

    Barbosa makes a good point. Licht, the director of player personnel or whatever position Shelton Quarles has as well as just about every scout and talent evaluater at One Buc has to go. A total purge and if BA does not like it, then fire his staff too as he is even more smoke and mirrors than Sam Wyche was in his 5 dash 2 slash 7 dash nine season of 1995 and I doubt if BA gets 5 wins this season let alone 7. Time for the lads at One Buc to hire a President of Football operations and simply gut all the ineptitude from this organization as it is run even more inefficiently than a Culverhouse based Buc team. Perhaps if a Vinik owned the team things could be a bit more competitive as small market teams can compete and make the playoffs with a competent owner and leadership from the top down and this franchise has lacked that since Malcolm G sadly had the brain draining stroke.

  37. down in the dirt doug Says:

    Joe—look into Barbosas remarks about the size of our scouting staff compared to other teams.

  38. unbelievable Says:

    Maybe after Licht drafts another 7 or 8 DBs, he’ll be able to find just 1 that is decent.

    So far Whitehead is the only decent player in the backfield.


  39. Jean Lafitte Says:

    yeah I agree, something is going on

  40. Defense Rules Says:

    danr … Nice tidbit about Mike Edwards still battling hamstring issues. It has to be that because he was doing very well through the first 5 games IMO. Of course, that doesn’t play into the ‘doghouse drama’ so Joe will brush that aside & continue on with his ‘speculation’.

    And Joe, the cornerbacks, sans VHIII, didn’t have an ‘unimpressive day’ in Nashville. They held Tannehill to under 200 yds passing & he only completed 63% of his throws. In his previous 2 outings, both wins, he was completing over 80% of his passes. Had it not been for Winston’s fumble at the TB-10 yard line AND his first INT returned to the TB-6 yard line, BOTH in the 1st qtr, Bucs could’ve easily won that game. That was HALF of Tennessee’s points right there … gifted to them by our offense.

  41. Buccfan37 Says:

    The fans should have a say in who gets drafted. Instead we have this private circle jerk reaching for lesser talented picks.

  42. ElioT Says:

    There was a mantra a few years ago that went a little something like this:

    “More Weapons for Winston!”

    New 2020 manta:

    “More wasted secondary draft picks for Lichts!”

    #lichtmyb**ls should be forced to do the GOT “walk of shame”, except he can keep his clothes on, please god.

    THANKS AGAIN JASON! Really appreciate what you’ve done to this franchise!

  43. Florida Girl Says:

    The Bucs are playing the compensatory draft pick card………increase the playing time of the guys they know are going to be cut (Perriman, Adams). Hopefully they’re being this smart anyway.

  44. 813bucboi Says:


    how was VHG unimpressive vs the titans?…..

    CD gave up 2 TDs, 2 PIs and missing a few tackles, and he played better than VHG?…….

    so if CD gave up 2TDs and the titans scored off JWs TO’s, who else gave up TDs?

    cmon man…..

    i know this is a FSU town but damn…….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  45. 813bucboi Says:


    the only person luckily is your mom…..

    her life’s been great ever since she left you at the bus stop….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  46. Destinjohnny Says:

    Jason will fix the problem…….

  47. AlabamaBucsFan Says:

    Can we trade Licht? Don’t even care if pick up any draft picks for him.

  48. tmaxcon Says:


    curious minds want to know what items you go through faster when defending vh3bust is it chin mounted jiz cups or knee pads????

  49. Aaron Says:

    Draft from the last 2 yrs

    M.J. Stewart — CB, UNC (Second round, 53rd overall) …
    Carlton Davis — CB, Auburn (Second round, 63rd overall) …
    2nd Round, No. 39 overall | Sean Bunting, DB, Central Michigan
    3rd Round, No. 94 overall | Jamel Dean, CB, Auburn
    3rd Round, No. 99 overall | Mike Edwards, S, Kentucky

  50. Stanglassman Says:

    It was reported that he Re aggravated (or tightened up) his his hamstring in worm ups before the game. This doghouse talk seems speculated.
    I think Edwards is going to be a great playmaker for us. We all should have known there was going to be frowning pains with starting this many rookies in a unfamiliar system. That said I do want to see some solid defense and more consistency from the offense from this team moving forward.

  51. Jason Says:

    Sabby the goat 2.0!
    Just saying.

  52. danr Says:

    Joe, my thought is

    If a guy is in the doghouse, he should know it. A guy who knows he is being punished, does not invite 10+ family members to drive 4+ hours to see him be benched.

    If Arians is so incompetent that players do not even KNOW they are being shamed… that is REALL BAD

  53. Stanglassman Says:

    Or maybe the reports were right and he Re aggravated his hamstring in warm ups before the game.

  54. TOM Says:

    To me this whole damn organization is garbage. I can’t believe anybody in there right mind would pay money to go see these clowns perform. Fans say the Glazer’s should fire worthless Licht. Thats fine but who’s going to fire the worthless Glazer’s? Sell the friggin team & clean house.