JPP, The Bucs And History

May 13th, 2019

Discusses JPP.

In last month’s draft, the Bucs saw fit to put on the back burner (as this franchise is wont to do) the need to pressure opposing quarterbacks in a division with three potential Hall of Fame signal-callers.

The Gerald McCoy situation was still up in the air and the Bucs were also bringing back the best pass rusher they have had since the great Simeon Rice. That would be Jason Pierre-Paul, who after Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht stole him from the Giants for a paltry third-round pick, racked up 12 1/2 sacks last year.

A week after the draft, JPP suffered a neck injury in a one-car accident that at best, will put him on the shelf for a month of the season and some doubt if the Bucs may even walk away from JPP.

GMC? Looks like he’s gone.

Speaking on PFT Live recently, which football fans can enjoy weekday mornings on NBC Sports Network, former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms believes had JPP’s wreck happened before the draft, the Bucs roster right now may look different.

“Here he is having a neck injury from a car accident,” Simms began, talking to the show’s founder, the creator, curator and overall guru of Pro Football Talk, the great Mike Florio. “The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have to re-evaluate their roster now. It’s kind of an astonishing development.

“This is JPP. He has been a pretty damn good football player for the last seven or eight years in the NFL. I think the shocking thing, Mike, for this to happen right after the draft, I just look at the timing and go, ‘I mean, wow, bad luck.’

“I mean, I think the Bucs would have re-evaluated and done something different at pick No. 5 if they knew JPP would not be available for the rest of the season. Maybe they go Josh Allen?”

Of course, no one knows when (or if) JPP can answer the bell this season. And does Team Glazer even wants to keep him on the roster? Neck injuries are not like finger injuries. Can JPP recover to play football and will he be able to stay on the field?

It’s believed that JPP won’t need surgery but the rehab process is expected to be roughly five months — at best — and doctors could still determine he needs surgery after that.

Do the Bucs just want to cut bait with both JPP (he may have already pocketed $7.5 million of his 2019 salary) and GMC and use about $15 million of that cash to go out and upgrade the roster at defensive end? Of bring back JPP at a cheaper price?

Of course, saying goodbye to JPP and GMC means shaving 18.5 sacks and 41 quarterback hits off the roster. How are you going to replace that? Howie Long Carl Nassib isn’t going to cover that.

Big decision for Team Glazer in a calendar year loaded with big decisions.

87 Responses to “JPP, The Bucs And History”

  1. Slugglife Says:

    Nice cheap shot at Nassib. The guy played his ass off for us.

    Let’s say we stop shtting on our players.

  2. Magadude Says:

    They will keep JPP when the season is in the burning dumpster once again, JL can say, “Man, we’d have done better but luck with losing JPP just wasn’t on our side. So yeah, we know where to focus in the draft, and have a plan.”

    In other words, same old story, and since Arians will only be finishing up his first year as HC, no one will want GM changes. BadaBookBadaBoom….Licht bamboozles the Glazers into another year…again.

  3. Bruce Blahak Says:

    JPP and GMC gotta go! …it’s as simple as that…

  4. unbelievable Says:

    Look we already know what the Bucs are going to do about this:
    Nothing.

    The Glazers and Licht will keep JPP on the roster, and tell us each week that he’s progressing and they hope he can come back soon, which won’t ever happen. They’re gonna bank on Nassib and Spence, and act dumbfounded when 2 DEs can’t carry the team through a whole season.

    We will have zero pass rush, and it will all be on our offense to win games. Again.

    #ItsABucsLife

  5. Snook Says:

    Rookie DEs rarely make an impact. That’s fact.

    BA wants to win now. He’s not going to wait around on a DE to develop in 2-3 years. DE is also one of the highest bust positions in the draft.

  6. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’m still glad we picked Devin White…..a better draft pick for the long haul.

  7. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Bucs don’t have real 3-4 ends…Trade for Leonard Williams and add Suh. D-line fixed…

  8. Bruce Blahak Says:

    …cutting the salaries of JPP and softy.

  9. Chris Simms 2020 GM Says:

    Call the Jags, maybe it’s not too late.

    Swap D White and next year’s #2 (wasted) draft pick for Josh Allan.

    Then, fire Licht tonight!

  10. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I don’t think it changes the pick. Many people were not as high on Josh Allen as the media was.

    Maybe we go DE in R3 or R2 is all that might have changed imo; or trading back if we wanted Josh Allen or Ed Oliver, but if we stayed at 5 White was still the pick.

    JPP definitely a huge loss. Probably should have moved him as LUV suggested for a 2nd or 3rd while his value was as high as possible to a 4-3 team. I wanted JPP though for the leadership to groom any young DL we drafted but we didn’t go with a youth movement in the front 7 as I was hoping.

    Who knows what the plan is right now

  11. Destinjohnny Says:

    We should have traded up for Montez

  12. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Lack of insight on the part of BA, Licht, and Co. A lot of “what if” scenarios that weren’t taken into account. They knew in advance we were weak at DE behind JPP, and Nassib but chose to go a different direction. They should’ve taken DE Jalon Ferguson in the 2nd round and Bunting would’ve probably still been there in the 3rd. But it is what it is, hopefully Gholston and Spence have breakout seasons.

  13. Joe Says:

    Rookie DEs rarely make an impact. That’s fact.

    Very true.

  14. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @Bruce Blahak

    I like the move for Williams a lot. Cut McCoy + JPP and give the Jets a future 4 for Williams who will likely walk in FA next year anyway.

    If he balls out then we extend him for $$ they didn’t want to give him and we’d have a young key chess piece on our DL next to Vea.

    Leanord Williams 2018: 42 tackles/27 solo/ 11 tackles for loss / 5 sacks / 20 QB hits

    Gerald McCoy 2018: 28 tackles/17 solo/6 tackles for loss / 6 sacks / 21 qb hits

    Basically a younger better version of McCoy and a guy familiar with Bowles.

    Cut McCoy, Cut JPP, and make this happen now IMO

    Not so much in agreement on Suh. His attitude/age/etc doesn’t fit a rebuilding young defense.

  15. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Williams may cost more than a 4th / not even be available

    But that’d be my target guy for both upgrading our entire D / having a plan that makes sense in the long run of a rebuilt D.

  16. SCBucsFan Says:

    I see us posting many, many articles that back up Allen or Oliver as the picks. Gee, I wonder why.

  17. Tom S. Says:

    You draft players looking 3 years out. The idea in the draft isn’t “Hey let’s get a quick fix” it’s “How does player A fit into our roster going forward.”

    If Licht wasn’t an incompetent doofus he would’ve seen JPP at age 30, McCoy at 31 and only Vea as the expected long term player on the line and made an effort to get into the best d-line draft of the decade before Day 3. He didn’t, because of course he didn’t. Carl Nassib to the rescue! LOL

  18. pelbuc Says:

    Neither JPP nor GMC were going to be Bucs after this year anyway. With all the $$ saved Bucs should try to get Solomon Thomas from the 49ers and see who else is out there after the training camp roster cuts.

  19. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Devin White will be the best defensive player in the NFC South for years to come, now it is up to someone who knows football to build a defense around him but that is going to take a good 2-3 years to build that and not sure bowles will be here so now building a defense for the 3-3-5 which in todays pass happy nfl is flexible enough for whomever is the next HC as the bucs

  20. louden Says:

    hahahahha, exactly @Tom S.

    The Suckaneers FrontOffice simply sucks at talent evaluation and @Roster Building..

    Coaches should coach

    and Front Office should get them the best players available..

    But the Suckaneers cut good players, re-sign bad players to too much money, they suck at drafting and … etc …

    Fans who want an actual good team and not a “professional” clown-show should start to boycott this product until they hire intelligent football people to the FrontOffice..

    no need to waste money on such a lousy product

    FIRE LICHT TONIGHT!

  21. Lord Cornelius Says:

    In terms of long term building our best bet IMO:

    1. Cut weight with JPP/McCoy and use the resources + a trade to get a young stud that we can build around like L Williams or something. Send a future 3rd + 5th but not a 2nd given that our 2nd rounders are closer to the 1st round most often lol.

    2. Hold onto JPP/McCoy and do whatever you can to get under the cap. Play McCoy this year and then you are free from both contracts in 2020 and likely looking at potential compensatory pick awards for both JPP/mcCoy ever getting another deal + all the 1 year deal guys who will hit FA as well. If you play the 2020 offseason well we could load up on 2021 picks. Too bad we could have an extra 3rd and 4th next year if we played the game correctly this year.

    Regardless of which we way we go with #1 / #2; every single draft pick next year should be for Edge/DL/OL and MAYBE RB. Ideally Jones/Barber/Anderson can be competent and we can go all trenches next year in the draft + sign FAs with freed up cash

  22. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Rookie d ends may not make an immediate impact but you still need to draft them. Our problem is half of our starting d line is older. Hopefully after sucking this year, whoever is gm next year will draft trenches.

  23. Sherman Perigo Says:

    Jason Licht needs to understand the longer he waits the free agent field is going to shrink. Paul will play at best eight games, most likely he won’t be as aggressive. January he will be thirty-one that apparently is the cut off age for the new regime. Mccoy is thirty-one so it’s becoming apparent he won’t be around. Is Licht going to do anything or just close his eyes click his heels and say there is no place like home.

  24. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Lord Cornelius good call and that makes the BIG IF, that jameis is the guy going forward or if a new gm has to make that call….lovie smith and that hiring has really destroyed the bucs because all that has gone on with it and giving that buffoon so much control

  25. Defense Rules Says:

    Several have commented about the Bucs releasing JPP, but since he’s under contract and injured, it’s not quite that simple. Because it was a Non-Football Injury, it’s my understanding that the Bucs have the option of not paying him until he’s ready to return, but I believe that before they could outright release him, they’d have to agree on an injury settlement (not very likely to happen it would seem).

    Bottom line IMO is that JPP isn’t going anywhere, although I do think that his salary will be impacted. Personally wouldn’t be all that surprised to see JPP & the Bucs agree on a new contract, which takes the injury into account. I think GMC & the Bucs will also do a new deal, which will allow GMC to retire a Buc. Now THAT’S tmaxcon’s worst nightmare. Sleep well tonight tmaxcon. You’re still GMC’s favorite JBFer … you keep him in the headlines.

  26. Tom S. Says:

    Joe,

    Also regarding Licht “stealing” JPP from the Giants you are aware that the Giants used that draft selection on DT BJ Hill who had 12 starts 48 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year right?

    So the Giants get a DT who has a 4 year 4 million dollar contract, the Bucs get a DE who put up 12.5 sacks on a 5-11 team going nowhere (like all of Licht’s teams) where he gets paid 12.5 million for that year and possibly 7.5 million to another 14 million for a partial season.

    Which one of those are you taking Joe? The young DT with 5.5 sacks on a rookie deal or the high priced veteran with one good year of production before his injury and potential release?

  27. rhenry Says:

    I would have already settled with and cut JPP. Too much injury and financial risk.

  28. Tom S. Says:

    Fun Fact: After the Bucs parlayed pick 69 which became 12 game starting DT BJ Hill for the Giants for JPP…pick 70 was 16 games starting Linebacker Fred Warner for the 49ers who had 124 tackles as a rookie and at pick 71 Royce Freeman who was more successful than RoJo with 8 games started 4 ypc, 500+ yards rushing and 5 TD’s.

    You see a 3rd round pick is only a waste if Jason Licht is the one making the selection.

  29. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Tom S, there are a bunch of great points as to how licht took a last place team in the NFC South and buried them into a worst team in 5 years

  30. JimmyJack Says:

    If the Bucs win this year does that mean Licht is not a dumbass?

  31. NOSBOS Says:

    JPP is not a huge lost. Did you folks listen to BA’s presser Friday??? If you did you had to have heard him say “when we go 6 or 7 DBs”. Now that’s two different members of this staff saying that. That should help you understand in this system the DBs grouping is of waaayy more importance than the DEs.

  32. NOSBOS Says:

    Brainiacs come on here complaining about the number of DBs drafted the last two drafts talking bout we’ve drafted 2000 DBs. You right and 2000 gone be on that field come next season.

  33. Tom S. Says:

    Like a game JimmyJack? Sure the Bucs will win a game. May even win 4 or 5 games.

    And I bet JimmJack will be crowing to all of his friends about how great the GM is after every one too. Look at how great the team looked in Week 1-2, and how it started the team on an epic playoff run…oops. So sure, someone who’s bad at his job for 5 years is going to magically turn it around without any cap room and a few questionable draft selections this year to add to the very poor selections he made last year. Yup, sounds like a winner to me.

  34. JimmyJack Says:

    NOSBOS……..Appreciate the silver lining there but JPP was our best defensive player last year.

    It’s a big loss bro.

  35. NOSBOS Says:

    Y’all asking for Leonard Williams. Leonard had 5.5 sacks last season. Why??? Because the role of a 3/4 DE is different from the role of a 4/3 DE. He’ll come here get another 5 sacks and right on schedule y’all will complain saying it was a bad move.

  36. NOSBOS Says:

    Jimmy. Key word “last season”. This system does not suit JPP bro.

  37. JimmyJack Says:

    Suppose we have to use Gholston to take a lot of snaps in place of JPP……Remember JPP took 94% of all snaps.

    This is a bad thing no matter how you spin it.

  38. JimmyJack Says:

    Tom S. I meant if we are a winning team. Thought that was obvisous.

    Care to reanswer the question? I’ve been asking it for a while.

  39. BuccoBoras Says:

    I’m grateful the JPP injury happened after the draft. Passing on white would’ve killed us. I don’t believe in Josh Allen. He has one move. Losing JPP is bad. Really bad. BA mentioned Dwight Freeney. He was old and Bettcher set him up for 13 sacks on 14 tackles. They’ll get someone who will help. No JPP, but someone.

  40. Eric Says:

    Arian’s comments on this indicate the final roster will be quite different.

    Lets see how it plays out before jumping off the skyway.

  41. JimmyJack Says:

    Agree about the system change NOS. Also don’t think JPP was all that last year. Still a very good player. He was our best but that’s not really saying much……….But without JPP you also lose the intensity that he brings which can be(should be) contagious…….That’s irreplaceable.

  42. JimmyJack Says:

    NOSBOS…..How do you think Todd will use VitaV. I’m looking forward to seeing that.

    My guess is he spits time between NT & DT creating mismatches elsewhere that Todd will try to expose.

  43. Pickgrin Says:

    Short of Q or Bosa falling to #5 – Devin White was going to be the Bucs first round pick no matter what. That was pretty well set in stone weeks before the draft.

    Even if JPP’s accident had happened before the draft – they still would have selected White over Allen.

    Like LC said – the 2nd and/or 3rd rd picks might have been different – but Devin White was the best single player available at the top of this draft that BA and Bowles believe can help turn this Buccaneers Defense into a winning unit.

    Everybody is still stuck in the 4-3 mentality. Understandable because the Bucs have been playing 4-3 alignment for like the last 25 years straight…. But this isn’t your Father’s (Dungy’s) defense anymore Bucs Fans.

    Bowles Defense is 3-4 base. Aggressive, attacking, blitzing – from all gaps with every position being a possible blitzer on any given play. CBs, Safeties and MLBers will all get schemed chances at putting pressure on the QB.

    OLBers will be the primary edge rushers – oftentimes from a stand up position and will line up on either weak or strong side or both to keep the Tackles (and TEs) guessing who their assignments are pre snap.

    CBs will play a lot of tight/man/press coverage which also puts them in better position to help support the run (or blitz).

    ILBers will blitz the backfield much more often than we are used to seeing – resulting in more QB pressure/sacks from the middle and likely more TFLs on run plays as well.

    After watching the horror show of Defensive futility that Bucs fans have suffered through for the last 10 years since Kiffen left – capped off the last 5 by Lovie and Smitty’s soft as Charmin philosophies – I am SOOOO ready to see some balls displayed with the Defensive scheming and play calling this year.

    Get-R-DONE Todd Bowles and staff!

    If this 2019 Bucs team’s defensive ranking for points allowed is in the range of #15 at season’s end – we will surely be watching January Buccaneers game(s) for the first time in 11 years.

  44. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Saying JPP was not a fit in Bowels system are nutz….this is not some 1970’s 3-4 defense that bowels is running…it will be similar to the rex ryan defense, the nick saban belichek defenses, where you do not know where the pressure is coming whether they are run blitzes which would have a heavier personnel or a pass blitz which would have more DBs on the field and more of a 2 or 3 DL personnel. Bowels job is to play chess with the OC and not tip off his personnel so that drew brees doesnt audible to kamara and run teh ball down the bucs throats when teh bucs are light against the run. IM guessing D Buchanan will be on the field 80-90% of the time as he is a good swing guy and can take on the bigger OL. I just think the bucs are a few years away from being good and good chance of getting gashed in the air and on the ground this year with the current personnel

  45. Tom S. Says:

    JimmyJack Jason Licht is 27-53 with the worst record in Bucs modern history. One game worse than what got Mark Dominik fired. He’s rated 24 out of 25 on NFL.com’s GM power rankings. The team which has now missed the playoffs for 11 straight years and has no cap room has gone 5-11 in his 4th and 5th season. Barring a Jaguars-like 12-4 turnaround he is unquestionably bad at his job. There was one Pro Bowler on the team last year. So is it your assertion that if the Bucs go 9-7 next year that Licht was a genius all along? One playoff season will make the stench of the past 5 seasons under Licht completely vanish? Licht needs to go 11-5 for his next 5 seasons to have a .500 record as GM. Do you understand how bad that is dear Licht apologist?

    nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001027372/article/nfl-gm-power-rankings-john-dorsey-kevin-colbert-rank-top-5

  46. SCBucsFan Says:

    Tom S. Bucs modern history? Is there some ancient history I’m unaware of?

  47. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Tom S thanks for that article…I am not sure how anyone can support what jason licht is doing or has been doing. The guy has been way over his head since day one and wasting draft picks and FA money. The bucs have no money to sign their draft class and or FAs of any consequence and they are staring at 4-12, with no RB and the highest paid NFL OL which coincidentally is probably the worst

  48. Tom S. Says:

    Since unrestriced free agency in 1992, does that help? You want to tell me who the GM’s were for the Bucs under Hugh Culverhouse in the 1980’s you BE MY GUEST. I know Ron Wolf was a GM assistant in the early days.

    tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/2018/12/10/why-this-is-the-worst-era-in-bucs-history/

  49. Sherman Perigo Says:

    Espn ranks the bucs #25, Nbcs Peter King has bucs #29. Either way it doesnt look very promising. The quarterback whisperer will be the quarterback screamer before the season ends.

  50. The Buc Realist Says:

    To add to the misery, just read on NFL . com that only one team was less likely to end a teams playoff drought the our Beleaguered Bucs!!!!!!!!!! and it is ole coach stale biscuit’s last disaster arizona cardinals!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is just shaping up for a huge disaster and the sheep do not want to look up to see it!!!!!!!!!!! The “real” fans are just waiting for the “rebuild” to commence!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  51. NOSBOS Says:

    Jimmy I personally believe Vea is the most important piece to the puzzle. His size,power/strength and athleticism makes him in my the possibly the most dominant 3/4 NT the game has ever seen. Vea will require two blockers most snaps and even then he’ll still have success. That Samoan strength is next level man. Sorry took me a minute at work bro. But yea Vea presence free’s up quite alot behind him. Devin and LVD gone be so nasty behind the mountain that is Vita Vea.

  52. NOSBOS Says:

    Also real quick,maybe folks don’t understand why I keep harping on 6 or 7 DBs. I am because it’s the perfect counter to our division. dirty turds and aints frequently go 3 and 4 wide. The best counter is 6 or 7 DBs. The passing windows become a lot smaller.

  53. JimmyJack Says:

    Breaking News on a very revealing tea leaf I just discovered.

    They were talking Devin White and showed some practice film. Devin was talking to his Dline and….no lie…..Somebody was wearing #93.

    Look it up and see for yourself.

    This team leaf don’t even need to be turn over. It’s written in bold. McCoy is long gone.

    I am certain that Bruce has known McCoy is gone since he walked in. Doubt there was even a “negotiation”. I’m sure McCoy has been aware too. This is why he never shown up.

  54. Lord Cornelius Says:

    IMO the biggest problem is the owners and their desperation approach to everything.

    Mark Dominik was actually given reign to build the team how he wanted it seems. There wasn’t a weird issue of the coaches having huge obvious influence on the draft.

    But he was HORRIBLE in the draft and FA and in long term planning. Chose Josh Freeman and Gerald McCoy as faces of the franchise on both sides of the ball and both were horrific mental makeup choices to be leaders IMO.

    This resulted in desperation moves after his 4-5 years of drafts were so bad and not producing any good players, to where he gave up a 1st to rehab Revis. No vision with Mark Barron. etc.

    Then Glazers doubled down on stupidity and desperation by hiring Lovie Smith, and THEN hiring a lapdog GM to basically do whatever Lovie wanted while running the draft with his scouts (IMO at least). That set up = horrible for long term building unless the coach is a GM basically, and Lovie is terrible at talent evaluation.

    We triple down on desperation by retaining Dirk Koetter, and quadruple down on desperation by trying to hang on to Mike Smith a year too long, after he basically took a bunch of drafted players and put them in position to fail and not develop.

    We now hire BA as our last desperate Jason Licht/Glazer era move. This is it. This also probably is our best chance at a desperation move actually working out and giving us something to build on long term.

    Here’s to hoping for that.

  55. JimmyJack Says:

    No Tom S. That is not my assertion.I am a sheep. My assertion will always be what you guys tell me. My assertion will always be what the masses say. Y’all lead and I will follow.

    That’s why I asked?

    Anyways we are not even talking about the same thing since I am asking about the future and you are just lecturing me about the past…..Im well aware of the past bro. I lived through it ya now.

  56. GetOverIt Says:

    Not to say this isn’t an issue, but 10-15 sacks extra ought to be produced by bringing LBs, safeties, and CBs on blitzes. There is reason for some concern, but the sky isn’t falling. The scheme will change the sack distribution among the positions. We’re also not factoring in increased sack production from Vita. Let’s see what happens with late additions in training camp too.

  57. JimmyJack Says:

    And I ask that question cause I have been a sheep for so long that I know to be ready to change direction very quickly. Y’all change directions at the drop of a coin.

    I have no assertion but my guess would be that Licht won’t be called a dumbass anymore if we make the playoffs.

    Nobody ever answers the question so it’s just a guess for now.

  58. GhostofSchiano Says:

    This reminds me of the neck injury that ended the career of one of the greatest Bucs of all time, The A-Train, Mike Alstott.

    I don’t see him coming back this year or next, I think he hangs it up.

  59. JimmyJack Says:

    MB on the team leaf…….Was seen on the NFL Network. I’m sure they put video highlights on their website. Go check it for yourself if you don’t believe me.

  60. Defense Rules Says:

    Pickgrin … Excellent analysis, and I for one agree with you … Todd Bowles & his staff can git-er-done. We do still NEED to come up with a tad less than $4 mil to pay our rookies, but that’s doable in several possible ways. The bigger issue to me are two-fold. First, how to fix the OLine. Second, how to fix the DLine. And oh yes, how to do it without any money.

    The OLine looks to be the easiest IMO, but improvement is really more up to the coaching staff than anything else. If our new OLine coaches can get the chemistry & communications fixed, there’s no reason … barring major injuries … that the players we have couldn’t be melded into a decent OLine.

    The DLine is a different question though, especially IF the Bucs let BOTH GMC & JPP go. Todd Bowles hybrid defense sounds exciting to me, BUT … you still have to have the horses in the trenches. If not, we’ll likely be susceptible to the run and it’ll be more difficult to open attack lanes for the Back-7 to blitz through. Vea is a nice centerpiece, but I doubt the big guy will even get up to 75% of the defensive snaps this year. And that’s IF he gets to play all 16 games.

    I’m still hoping that we keep GMC (hopefully at a reduced price) & that JPP can make it back at right around the Bye week. IF the Bucs opt to release one or both of them, we NEED to find a DE & DT with roughly comparable skills, either through a trade or through free agency. You can’t win consistently without reasonable talent.

  61. NOSBOS Says:

    Give y’all an example. Ray Lewis played behind Tony Siracusa and I forget the other Huge DT name. Those Bigs boys kept olinemen from getting to the next level and blocking him. Ray became a HOFr because he was free to roam and execute his skill set off the work of those Bigs dudes in front of him. This is what Mount Vea is about to do for Devin and LVD. They will play clean most Sunday’s because OC’s first have to gameplan blocking Vea before they do anything.

  62. NOSBOS Says:

    John Henderson

  63. 813bucboi Says:

    nosbos

    gruden said mack wasnt a big lost…….then during the season started complaining about pass rush…..how’d that turn out?…..

    GO BUCS!!!!

  64. 813bucboi Says:

    The Buc Realist Says:
    June 21st, 2018 at 6:48 pm
    Huge pass to the coaching staff issued by the “real” Buc fans!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!

  65. 813bucboi Says:

    LC

    i hear you…..

    i honestly think we should just roll with the youth movement with nelson, nassib, beckner, VV…..maybe trade for solomon thomas, 9ers dont want/need him…..

    i know it looks scary on paper(talent & depth wise) but we’ve looked great on paper and got torn to shreds….lol….

    GO BUCS!!!

  66. Tom S. Says:

    ‘JimmyJack the sheep’ (good nickname btw) apparently only wants to look to the future to determine whether someone is good at their job or not.

    Sounds like we should give Johnny Manziel a call, maybe Trent Richardson too since past results in the NFL aren’t indicative of the future or anything. It’s such a very well thought out concept there ‘sheep’, that we should ignore that Licht has to have 5 straight seasons of 11-5 playoff football teams in order to boast a .500 record but you want his vindication if the Bucs win more than expected this upcoming season alone.

    Here’s an answer ‘sheep’, the Bucs won’t make the playoffs. They will likely go in the range of 5-11 as Vegas expects them to and as they have averaged through Licht’s first 5 seasons. If Licht’s cap strapped team makes the playoffs then by all means extend him another year. Does it make up for a half decade of misery under his watch? No. Does it give the team more cap room or boast better draft picks? No. But it will buy him more time to try to dig himself out of the hole he dug for the Bucs? Yes.

  67. Phil Says:

    Why would you draft a defensive end in a draft loaded with defensive ends?

  68. First Down Tampa Bay Says:

    There’s always a Carl Nassib out there somewhere. Licht is in a tough spot, time for him to rekindle his Undrafted/Waiver-Wire Magic.

  69. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joe, let’s say we cut JPP (whose salary won’t count against us anyway)…who would you suggest we bring in to replace him that can give us the same production?

  70. Joe Says:

    Because maxi:

    Not much out there. Teams tend to keep good DEs unless they want to take another team to the cleaners in a trade. (Dave Gettleman an exception.)

  71. Jean Lafitte Says:

    broken neck = no production

  72. NOSBOS Says:

    813 read Picks 2:06 post. JPP won’t be missed bro. The whole defense is subject to bringing pressure on any given play.

  73. NOSBOS Says:

    Like,how y’all don’t get it..

  74. SenileSenior Says:

    OK all you experts. Here is your chance to shine!

    Is the absence of GMC and JPP for this season reason enough to say we are truly in a rebuilding mode now or do we continue to be in the retooling mode that BA has said we were?

  75. NOSBOS Says:

    Senile in humble opinion JPP and 93 were never actually going to be apart of 2019. That locker room has been renovated for one Devin White. 813 called it a youth movement and that’s exactly what’s going on. So to me bro “retooling”.

  76. NOSBOS Says:

    Mind you tho,I was called out by Doosh because initially I was saying 93 was going to stick around mainly because I felt the new staff would be pressured by ownership to keep him around. I no longer feel that way. His @$$ is grass.

  77. JimmyJack Says:

    Tom S….I bet you a Bucs ticket your win prediction is wrong……..Only interesting part of your post. The rest was just whining drivvle that refused to answer my Question.

    At least we tried

  78. D1 Says:

    NOSBOS,

    Youth movement. .I tend to think it’s an estrogen extraction . A 2019 Schindler’s List, on the list is soft half assers, me me me cats and beauticians.

  79. Tom S. Says:

    Is JimmyJack the sheep predicting playoffs?!

    BY ALL MEANS I’ll wager with you on that. But I want to wager something of value, not Bucs season tickets to the ‘Den of Depression’, I don’t want to be punished for winning a bet 😀

  80. BigMacAttack Says:

    White was still the right pick with the top two DLs already off the board.

  81. SenileSenior Says:

    On Vita Vea:

    My understanding was that Vea was seen as talented enough to replace GMC adequately for 3-tech so he was groomed for that last year. I also understood that he was big enough and talented enough to take on the NT Role “if we ever went to a 3-4”.

    Surprise, looks like the he will have to rise to that this year. This was part of the thinking that was supposed to have led to taking him instead of one D. James last year.

    Two questions can now be asked.
    1.) Will Vita Vea become the “beast”(i.e. a perennial all-pro) that some projected him to be?
    2.) Which of the many possible nickname that you can think of based on his name will stick if he does become a beast? 🙂

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  82. Mike Johnson Says:

    I agree with Lord Cornelius here. Look guys, if we are trying to have a winning season. That is IF…Then lets do the surgery now and be done with it. Cut McCoy and JPP. Use that cash to sign us a DE or get one from another team. cause I’m tellin all of yas, Nassir cannot cover it all. And we all know what we have after him. We..had better find some QB pressure/sacks from somewheres or we go..Nowheres.

  83. Tom S. Says:

    SenileSenior, a perennial All-Pro is a first ballot HOFer. The best player on the roster Mike Evans isn’t even a perennial All-Pro, he was lucky to make the Pro Bowl as an alternate last year. If a general mass of people thought Vita Vea was that level of player he would’ve been a top 3-5 pick.

    Haloti Ngata is the ceiling you dream for a player like Vea would become. In a 13 year career he was named 1st team all Pro two times, 2nd team three times and went to the Pro Bowl 5 times. So even Ngata wasn’t a “perennial all pro” he was named 5 times out of 13 seasons (a little more than a third of his career) and he will likely be in HOF someday.

  84. Nprbuc Says:

    Holy crap guys! This is a Bucs FAN site.Not one guy has even put on pads yet and everybody is in a doom and gloom stage of grief? No one on this site has any idea of what we have or don’t have for pieces.No one had ever heard of Humpfries a few years ago. Who the hell is that kid named Brate? Massing? Yeah Couldn’t even make it in Cleveland.i understand everyone wants to be the wise sage that can brag “ I told you so.” While pounding a few at the local watering hole but this is getting crazy. How many first round picks never see year 3 in this league? We have no idea what OUR team will even look like yet. Let’s just take a deep breath. So discouraging to see fans just dump on the team constantly.

  85. Nprbuc Says:

    That was NASSIB missing. Damn auto correct!

  86. SenileSenior Says:

    Tom S., I did not mean to exaggerate any pre-draft assessments of Vea I saw. There was a spectrum of assessments.

    I should have said that some had suggested he might become a multiple pro bowl participant. Some did compare him to Ngata though.

    I did think the Bucs had him rated very highly. As in all picks only time will tell.

  87. adam from ny Says:

    bottom line…8-8 will be a very successful year

 

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