Muscle Hamster 2.0

June 29th, 2018

“I feel ya,’ Jameis.”

Back to the future.

That’s where the Bucs stand after we learned that the NFL officially slapped America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, with a three-game conditional suspension.

Look, Joe really likes Jameis and the Bucs quarterback has always been good to Joe. But this cannot be ignored. A lot has come out in recent days that sort of confirmed what Joe has pondered earlier this year.

Jameis is not a leader.

Joe thought that when offsides-jumping, Lightning-trolling, belly-shirt-wearing, practice-hating, kicker-heckling, tree-grinding , non-contact-football-loving, chicken-wings-grilling, playing-time-squawking, TV-cooking-star, half-sack Swaggy Baker was running all over coaches and basically did what he wanted to do – which was nothing other than being a jackass – and it took Kwon Alexander after the second-last game of the season to confront Swaggy?

Where was Jameis all that time? Of course, Jameis piled on after Kwon took matters into his own hands.

How Jameis handled (or didn’t handle) this Uber hassle proved to Joe that Jameis’ leadership, at least on the NFL level, is either terribly overblown or simply an empty act.

Leaders don’t try to hide when they run afoul of the law. Leaders don’t lie about it. Leaders don’t let their employers, guys responsible for selecting him in the draft, coaches and teammates twist in the wind like this.

Now the season hangs in the balance while Jameis serves a sentence that was handed down, in part, because he tried to sweep this under a rug. The Bucs open the season with the strongest schedule in the Super Bowl era without their franchise quarterback thanks, no less, to the franchise quarterback.

Players could be cut or traded as a result of a playoff-less season, which is 90 percent likely starting 0-3. Coaches, scouts and suits could lose their jobs in the wake. Families could be uprooted. Careers smashed. Thanks to, at best, a terribly selfish act by its professed leader.

That’s not what leaders do.

Then there is the issue of his contract. If Jameis plays well this season, and there are no alternative quarterback options, Joe believes the Bucs should keep Jameis. He has behaved since this Uber hassle occurred over two years ago. The majority of his career Jameis has kept his nose clean.

Yeah, Joe would extend him. But, Joe would pull a Doug Martin on Jameis.

Rather than signing Jameis to a long(er) contract, Joe would franchise him twice. Make Jameis prove he has turned the corner which is what the Bucs should have done with the Muscle Hamster after he flunked a whiz quiz. If Jameis, provided he plays well through the 2021 season, flies right, then he can get a new contract (with clauses inserted to protect the team).

Yes, the franchise tag is essentially a prove-it contract.

Of course, franchising Jameis would be costly in the short term. But much less expensive than signing Jameis to a big contract only to see him slip up again and Team Glazer would then be on the hook for millions of dollars.

If a guy on a franchise tag slips up, he’s gone.

63 Responses to “Muscle Hamster 2.0”

  1. Joeypoppems Says:

    I like Jameis the player, but if another incident can lead to him being banned from the league can you really trust him?

    If the answer is no then is he worth investing anything into?

  2. Roy T. Buford Says:

    I like the idea of a franchise tag–great idea to keep handy. And of course it all can’t be ignored. I do disagree that Jameis has behaved himself since his sex crime occured. He lied the whole time about it this year, and last year he got himself and his team into trouble in New Orleans, and displayed other unbecoming behavior (easting Ws) that show he’s not a leader. He’s not a winner as an NFL QB. One of the best ways to get to Jameis is to drop him down to #3 on the depth chart, take aways his captainship, and make him earn it all back. He should be a follower for at least a year–the banks cannot and must not count on him to lead. There are, and will be other QBs out there. Let’s look at QB actuals vice QB potentials. Winston ain’t that good after three seasons, and it looks like he’s dragging the Bucs down more than buildng them up.

  3. Roy T. Buford Says:

    Bucs not banks.

  4. Hodad Says:

    Joe, can’t you sign him long term with conditions that would void contract should he fail again? Not like he’d have a choice but to sign it, every team would want that in any contract with Winston.

  5. Onetrickpony Says:

    He isnt all that he was hyped up to be.
    Next will come the moniker of Coach Killer
    Like in poker, know when to hold them, know when to fold them

  6. Pete I Says:

    I had to explain to my daughters who are 11 and 8 and like going to Buc’s games or watching them on TV with me why JW was in so much trouble. What a mess! I can’t stand to even look a JW’s face anymore. What a hideous situation.

  7. Pablo Says:

    Pablo says that Jameis reminds him of the Obama as a leader. Both are empty suits.

  8. PlanktonLovesCrabbyPatties Says:

    Jameis is not a leader. Maybe a cheerleader at best.

  9. Chris Says:

    Hey joe,

    I wonder about your moral compass. Why call him America’s qb when he walked away scott free, was found lying about the uber driver and was found to have groped her against her will. I wonder if your sponsors enjoy reading this support. I wouldn’t want to be affiliated with this.
    Sir, Joe wonders where your reading comprehension is. What makes you think America’s Quarterback is nickname that implies some sort of unique support for Jameis’ behavior. Joe’s been calling Jameis that since 2014, before he was drafted, and isn’t about be concerned about anyone who might not like such a benign moniker.–Joe

  10. Bobby M. Says:

    This is the issue when you appoint someone king too soon….He was this was this way at FSU…Wasn’t going to change until it had too. He’s too full of himself to the point he can’t even recognize veteran players are tuning him out even when they go to the media. To say he’s been on good behavior since the incident, that’s not saying much. He’s had this skeleton in the closet since then as well. What was the motivator….the potential for more bad press or actual change? The guy says a lot of things, he said he was innocent, he never mentioned several details….You can’t really trust any of what he’s saying. It won’t shock me that part of his evaluation is a lie detector test.

  11. adam from ny Says:

    demote to waterboy asap


  12. Pete I Says:

    Joe and the Glaziers want the face of the franchise to be a disturbed man who touches women inappropriately. Drinks to much. Lies.

  13. Bird Says:

    So there are 2 Joe’s that post on this site

    One loves Jameis so we will call him “reasonable joe”

    The other loves loves loves Jameis so we will call him “punchdrunk love joe”

    Its is clear that “reasonable joe” is typing these last few articles today. Good to hear some honest critiques on Jameis for a change instead of consistent over the top excuses .

  14. adam from ny Says:

    i hear jameis is such a perv, that he sniffs women’s used worn panties purchased off ebay between offensive series during games…then quickly hides them on the sidelines when he has to get back on the field – and when he’s off the field again, because he can’t really score touchdowns, it’s back to huffing panties

    #PantyHufferJameis #ScratchAndSniff #KeepJameisAwayFromTheCheerleaders

  15. Pete I Says:

    “I wonder if your sponsors enjoy reading this support. I wouldn’t want to be affiliated with this.” – well Chris, one way to find out, send them a note with your concerns. They are plastered all over this page. But even better is to send a note to the Buc’s sponsors and Pewter Partners, they are all listed on the Buccaneers web page. See if they think JW is “America’s QB”

  16. Carlos Says:

    Lets face it joe, we are in texas and my son just threw Winston s jersey away. We wanted to go to Tampa to watch a game but our plans just changed. He is a liability he needs to go now. Would you let him get close to your daughter?

  17. BucEmUp Says:

    I agree there is no way you give this guy a huge payday. Good coaching wins games though only thing on my mind is Mike Smith’s 12 yard cushions losing those first three games while Fitz enjoys the best cast of weapons in his his entire career

  18. HowToSpellRhonde Says:

    The leader of the free world sure as hell ain’t no damn leader.

  19. adam from ny Says:

    but seriously…

    he deserves one more chance…

    a third strike…and peace cacease

  20. passthebuc Says:

    regardless of how much you pay him, you will always be walking on thin ice waiting for the other shoe to drop. Teammates will also realize this and be playing with a cloud overhead. The sooner you start moving in a positive direction the better for everyone. He still has trade value, take the known quantity and move on. He currently is an anchor and if you keep him you will end up with 10 years of mediocrity.

  21. Rob Says:

    Vagameis Winston should be cut outright. He is a liar. Guilty of sexual assault. Move on from this turnover machine. If the Bucs keep him they deserve the $hit show. Go Bucs!

  22. passthebuc Says:

    Pete I Says:
    June 29th, 2018 at 6:40 am

    I think Joe has already put his credibility in a precarious place. I’m not so sure he knows how to proceed. Your comments are a good way to start.

  23. glen k mattingly Says:

    Fie Winston, Hire Kaepernick.

  24. Ransom Says:

    How does anyone know if he HAS been clean since the Uber incident? Noone knows (except Jameis, and his credibility is shot).

    Glad I didn’t renew my season tickets, and i guess my Winston jersey will be disposed of. Id10t!

  25. Bobby M. Says:

    I think it comes down to two things….1) What his story was to the Bucs before the investigation….and 2) If he’s winning.

    The actual thing he did was wrong, but the NFL is littered with domestic abusers and dead beat dads, his actions IMO are not on that scale from a business standpoint. I think that’s how fans need to process this, the Bucs will make a business decision based on profits vs risks…..Right now, there is no real risk to having him on the roster and seeing if he wins…..They have him on a year by year basis for the next 4 seasons. I’m guessing they try to squeeze four winning seasons from him…..If he’s not winning, they can move on from him for that reason….Too much controversy with too much losing. Time to move on. The NFL and the Bucs have by the bxlls, the thing to watch for with Winston is how his camp responds. Whomever is advising him is doing an awful job….absolutely terrible. If he post one winning season, we should expect the “hold out” strategy to kick in….This is where this thing gets tough, because Winston has made this into an all business decision where everyone was forced to cover their rears….Winston will do the same and despite the Bucs remaining loyal to him, its still business and it wont shock me if Winston’s camp reminds him of that. This has the makings of a very messy situation.

  26. Walter Seidel Says:

    Joe, what is it going to take for you to stop the self-inflicted-silliness label of repeating over and over the “AQ” BS?

  27. Walter Seidel Says:

    And OK, Joe…so you think the dumb “America’s QB” is benign, and you defend it by saying “well, I’ve been doing it since 2014″ (guess James could say something similar…”well, I’ve been doing it since FSU”)…..It is NOT benign, and it DOES (attempt) to put this LIAR/MOLESTER on a freaking pedestal. Or……tell us……in your mind, what exactly does the “AQ” term confer upon Winston….in your eyes?

  28. Chris Says:


    America’s qb is a term in most logical eyes, someone you look up to. Someone who’s a model player/citizen on and off the field.

    He’s a horrible role model. Horrible qb. Horrible person. Horrible leader. He’s basicaly trash. Yet you continue to label him as America’s qb ?

  29. Sean Says:

    I guess we’d all love a little bit of Marcus Mariota now, huh? I’ve been a Winston fan. Have the jerseys. Bought into the hype. But he’s let us down, on the field, and now off the field.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the suspension voids all guaranteed money for Winston, no? We could cut him right now and not owe him a dime? Is that true?

    Why not cut Winston and trade for Foles? I’d go as high as a 2nd rounder in 2019 and 2020.

    Who cares if Winston can bounce back and will go on to win somewhere else… fine, let him. I’d rather lose without him than win with him if he’s going to abuse his position as a male and an athlete with women, then stand at a podium and lie to our faces, then go out and “eat some W’s” while fumbling away another game.

    Good luck to you getting your life back on track. I hope you do. But you asked for a chance after FSU and you blew it. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Let’s not be foolish here.

  30. lightningbuc Says:

    Joe’s silly moniker may be benign, but it’s obvious to all but a few that Jaboo is a malignant cancer to this team and community.

  31. Pete I Says:

    It took me less than 30 minutes to contact all 10 Pewter Partners of the Bucs and 6 of the 21 Sponsors. Some require you to call, so I will hit those up later. And some of the links go to corporate and not local guys. JW is likely even more toxic outside the TB area. I made no threats or demands just simply wrote;

    I am contacting you to express my concern that you are a Pewter Partner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I love the Buc’s but find that Jameis Winston’s behavior towards women is unacceptable. I have contacted the Buccaneers with my concerns that the “face of the franchise” is a disturbed man who touches women inappropriately , drinks to much and lies about it. I hope you do too.
    Thank you for your concern.

    Pete I

    I doubt I will be the only one to express concern.

  32. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I trust I won’t be thrown in the cooler for simply re-posting Joe. This should clear up the rationale for AQ.

    Joe Says: 
    June 22nd, 2018 at 3:58 pm
    Joe- Still with the “America’s Quarterback” moniker huh?? What gives haven’t you learned your lesson yet?? You sound like a idiot and lose credibility daily by doing so.
    Clearly you are not well-versed in how to make cash on the internet. Joe has numbers and data that tells him what works, not guesswork.

  33. Bird Says:

    Joe stopped using nickname “winning coach koetter” when he had a losing record.

    Not Jameis though. He moves the needle for the few people who still support him . Nobody outside of Tampa and parts of Alabama could give a damn. Yet americas qb.

    He is a buc so he is whatever to me. Was never even in my top 10 favorite players before this happened. Maybe something good can happen out of this bit that light at the end of the tunnel is he size of a flashlight and it’s starting to flicker and run out of batteries .

  34. Pinellas TB Bucs Says:

    @Pete I

    Wow. You definitely have too much time on your hands.

  35. D-Rome Says:

    I agree that continuing to use America’s Quarterback is terrible. When we hear people talk about something belonging to America it’s almost always a source of pride. Prior to this uber issue, Jameis as a player and person doesn’t move that proverbial needle on a national scale.

    I get it Joe, you’re is a similarly tough position as the Bucs. If the Bucs take down Jameis’ image off the Den of Depression it speaks volumes about their support. If they don’t do it it speaks volumes about their support. It’s not very different from your consistent use of that ridiculous moniker.

  36. Lucious Selmon Says:

    “Joe would franchise him twice.”

    Heck no! Franchise contract is a rich contract. I’d offer him a 2 year contract right now for 12 million per. Much more than he makes now, and definite starter money without being an elite contract. No guarantees, and it includes voiding the 5th year option.

    If he wants a 20+ million contract, his chance will come after he proves himself (again) over the next two years. He’ll sign it, because he can be released before March and lose the 5th year option. No one else will sign him right now.

  37. Pete I Says:

    Koetter has shown no evidence he is head coach material

  38. Lucious Selmon Says:

    Pete I Says:
    I had to explain to my daughters who are 11 and 8 and like going to Buc’s games or watching them on TV with me why JW was in so much trouble.

    I feel for you. It can be humiliating to have to explain another man’s poor behavior.

  39. Zam Says:

    I actually stopped visiting when the “America’s Quarterback” silliness began. I only come back here every so often when Winston falters, to see if Joe will face the music. Not yet it appears. Disappointing. It’s time for Joe to step up like a man and admit making a mistake. One can dream I guess…What’s laughable is all of you who think “America’s Quarterback” is some sort of declaration of Jameis being a great person and the greatest quarterback in the nation. It never was, just like “rockstar” for Mark Dominik had nothing to do with the Bucs’ won-loss record.–Joe

  40. Locked In Says:

    Hopefully the rest of the team is getting pissed off enough to kick some a$$ in the first 3 games. I don’t see why Winston not playing means we automatically lose all 3 games. With or without Winston this team should have enough talent to compete every week. Fitz might be just what this team needs right now as a calm, steady leader. Go Bucs!

  41. mark2001 Says:

    Pablo…Obama isn’t the only President that Jameis has something in common with…but in the business world, you don’t get suspended when you are the company.

  42. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Tell that to Harvey Weinstein of the Harvey Weinstein Company

  43. Dylan Says:

    I was a coach at coach at Gerald mccoys youth camp last year it was held on the practice fields at one buc. The reason I say this is because I was able to see and meeet, Gerald McCoy, Channing ward, Doug Martin and jameis Winston. Out of those 4, everyone but Doug Martin came uo and thanked us for helping out. Offered to take a picture and even shook our hand. Now this may seem irrelevant but this shows true character. When someone doesn’t have something to offer you how do you act? Doug Martin was a douche. I wouldn’t compare these two cause jameis has done so much more for our community, he’s actively involved, and he genuinely cares. He messed up, I say he has one more chance.

  44. mark2001 Says:

    He is America’s QB…said it yesterday…just look at the behavior of those at the highest level of our government. What don’t you get about it? Most of you don’t really don’t care, but for the way it effects the football team. America’s team. Give Joe a break…you just don’t get it.

  45. mark2001 Says:

    And BTW… 99% of this team would never do such a thing without consent…as would 99% of the fans.

  46. Pete I Says:

    @Pinellas TB Bucs Says

    Wow. You definitely have too much time on your hands


    30 minutes? Just a drop of time, and both the Buc’s and Joe have their sponsors linked, so it was a simple click, post and send. No muss, no fuss!

  47. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Ah yes,……the “Rock Star” Mark Dominick……how soon we forget what a disaster he was for the Bucs…..

  48. lightningbuc Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    June 29th, 2018 at 7:57 am
    I trust I won’t be thrown in the cooler for simply re-posting Joe. This should clear up the rationale for AQ.

    Joe Says:
    June 22nd, 2018 at 3:58 pm
    Joe- Still with the “America’s Quarterback” moniker huh?? What gives haven’t you learned your lesson yet?? You sound like a idiot and lose credibility daily by doing so.
    Clearly you are not well-versed in how to make cash on the internet. Joe has numbers and data that tells him what works, not guesswork.

    Yep, clearly $$$ over morality at JBF headquarters. Keep polishing those Buc turds.

  49. Frank Pillow Says:

    The Franchise Tag is an interesting idea-and Joes, it’s good to read your words here. Jameis actions are a colossal disappointment and outright troubling. His “it was the evil booze” defense is insulting, as is his lack of candor. He has destroyed any semblance of credibility he had left after this FSU troubles. He has lost all benefit of doubt. The team needs to do the right thing and suspend him for additional games-the season-and make him earn his way back.

  50. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    Our qb plays with uber drivers and our team captain plays with dolls while wesring Michaeljackson paraphernalia. Once again glazer ran organization is the biggest embarrassment in all of sports.

  51. Tnew Says:

    Problem with the franchise tag is the Bucs would have to pay as much for a single season as two if an extension was made now There will never be a time the Bucs will ever be in suck a strong bargaining position. Buy low, that way if you are forced to hit the eject Button you can. Want to see if Winston really wants to fix things? Offer a 3 year contract for @ 13mil a season that has escapes and bonuses. Team option in year 4 for @25 mil. If he truly wants to resurrect his image, he can take one for the team, still live very comfortably and the team will have Money to spend on two more quality players.

  52. Bucsfanman Says:

    RiaB- Man, you know you have a GMC “Gummy” sippy-cup you drink your coffee from every morning! You ain’t foolin’ nobody!

  53. Tnew Says:

    I really hope all of you that are promoting boycotts are also calling for the removal of any person who has been accused of such an act. All people, not only the ones that you don’t like.

  54. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “Rather than signing Jameis to a long(er) contract, Joe would franchise him twice.” Yea verily, at least as opposed to signing him to a long-term contract. He’s got a long ways to go to regain the trust of ownership & management, coaches, players, media & fans. Being a ‘model citizen’ & ‘keeping his nose clean’ is a given (criteria), but so is outstanding performance on the field. Falter in EITHER one of those, and it’ll be Bye Bye Jameis. Actually, it may already be too late, but that’s not for us to say … the Glazers will make that decision.

  55. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Good for you PeteI

    Clearly Money talks, and (hopefully) BS walks…..

  56. Joe Says:

    Joe, can’t you sign him long term with conditions that would void contract should he fail again?

    Sure, but would that be s smart move now? If Jameis struggles this year, at best it gives the Glazers more leverage if they want to keep him.

  57. Duthsty Rhothdes Says:

    Where is Jason Licht during all this? He is responsible for the mess the bucs are in and possibly the next 5 years that the bucs will be the same 5 wins/year franchise, too many negatives on jameis side and if he is just an immature idiot then he cannot lead an NFL franchise

  58. danr Says:

    good take joe.

  59. mark2001 Says:

    TBBF…Weinstein had a board of directors that canned him…like I said, when you are the company, you don’t have any consequences, except that the company might die.

  60. fritz50 Says:

    “Leaders don’t try to hide when they run afoul of the law. Leaders don’t lie about it. ” So, I guess Tom Brady & Bill Bellacheat are not ‘Leaders’, also joined by Ben Roethlisberger, who can’t possibly be a ‘Leader’, either. This is a single event (unless you include the sexist statement at the school) in 3 years with the Bucs. For an act that would have Produced a slap in earlier times. What male hasn’t misread things and acted inappropriately? Yes, he touched her!!! In a BAAAAAD place! And OMG, he lost his head & saidit didn’t happen!! Worse action than most, a hallmark of a talented and IMATURE athlete. Yes, he must be punished, as he is, but all this talk of dumping him is stoopid in the extreme. There isn’t a person on the planet who hasn’t lied, specially when sure the won’t get caught. Guess the pats should’a cut Bellacheat for cameragate, or him & Brady for deflagrate, right ?!?!? Or rapelesburger for….Rape, right?!? I must be an old dinasaur, thinking that once a punish me for is served and completed, that the matter is done. Guess I should keep punishing my kids for their every transgression, ever mind their all over forty. I say Jameis has a two year start on cleaning up his act, and to add on to his punishment will only add the idea that he can’t work his way back. Also wondering why, if this was such a horrible ‘sexual assault’ , the driver never felt the desire to press charges. Sorry, had my rant…done with it… what will happen will happen.

  61. unbelievable Says:

    And once again we see a 22 yr old athlete being held to higher standards than the so-called “leader” of our nation.

    Good thing America has its priorities straight.

  62. RustyRhinos Says:

    Franchise Tag him? At 29 million for one season? How about NO WAY! I get it he has the stats that make him “our” best QB. How about his personal responsibility on his off time. Is it worth 29 million for one season? I for my own belief do not think he is worth 29 million or 100+ million he “might” get. I just do not think so.
    Go Bucs!

  63. TBdafaq Says:

    Time to cut america’s sh*t storm QB