Is Jameis’ Passion Wearing Thin?

May 21st, 2018

Interesting pattern.

Last season, Joe thought of something that may have been heresy to suggest just a year prior.

Is America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, really an effective team leader, as has been sold to fans?

Joe doesn’t know the answer, but the following is why the question crossed Joe’s noggin again.

Would a true team leader have put up with offsides-jumping, Lightning-trolling, belly-shirt-wearing, practice-hating, kicker-heckling, tree-grinding , non-contact-football-loving, chicken-wings-grilling, playing-time-squawking, TV-cooking-star Swaggy Baker before (finally) confronting him after the second-to-last game of the season, and only after another young player first went after Swaggy in the locker room?

Would a true team leader have tolerated Doug Martin’s antics, which Pearl Harbored the Bucs’ playoff chances in 2016?

That’s not to suggest Jameis isn’t a leader. That’s not to say Jameis doesn’t have his heart in the right spot — he clearly does. Joe just wonders whether all of Jameis’ rah-rah college stuff has worn thin with his teammates.

Joe brings this up because of what has transpired the past five months. Just last week, Bucs offensive coordinator Todd Monken said he told Jameis he is trying too hard. Monken included eating-W’s theatrics as part of that.

“So, I think the biggest thing is, ‘It’s okay, Jameis, to be yourself,” Monken said. “You don’t have to try so hard.”

Monken isn’t the first member of the Bucs to say this.

Remember, in January, Bucs receiver DeSean Jackson appeared on “First Take” on BSPN and basically said what Monken would later say.

“I had some talks with him towards the end of the season, like I said, off the experience and the quarterbacks that I played with in the past,” Jackson said. “I think he just has to come in there and – which he is already doing – is being professional. But just go back to the steps that, when I was a young kid or when I was in high school or college, just have fun with it. I mean, a lot of times you try to, you know, impress and, ‘Hey, I want to do this and show them I can do this and do that.’ But you got to kind of get away from that and just go back to playing ball in the yard. How we played when he was young.

“That’s what I told him, he has got to go back to getting comfortable with being Jameis Winston who we all know him to be. The past two years he had what, 4,000 passing yards (each season)? So I just stressed on to him that – everything about intangibles he has everything. I’ve seen him play. I’ve seen him in meetings. I’ve seen him on the practice field. He has the leadership. He has everything it takes to be that guy. So, just going back to having fun and not trying to impress the world. Just go out there and be yourself.”

A couple of weeks ago when Jackson spoke to the Tampa Bay pen and mic club as offseason conditioning sessions began, Joe asked Jackson about his remarks on BSPN and Jackson elaborated.

“Any time you’re the face of the franchise and you’re that guy as far as the quarterback especially, everything is ran around you,” Jackson said. “At the end of the day, it’s a tough position because you have to make the calls, you have to be the leader and you have to say the right things. Any time you say the wrong things, it’s pointed on you. It’s like pulling a coattail. I wouldn’t say he was pulled in the wrong direction or whatever the case may be. I would just say he needed to be himself and relax and not put the pressure on his shoulders because being a quarterback, you have the world on your shoulders. If you lose, it goes on you. If you win, it goes on you. Being a wide receiver or any other position, it’s not the same because you’re not distributing the ball, you’re not making the same decisions.

“That’s my only thing, just be yourself, go back to backyard football and being who got you here, which was Jameis Winston from Florida State that won a championship. He has a lot of upside and a lot of skillset to play in this league and I just feel like if he can get back to just being that, he can definitely be everything he wants to be in this league.”

So if the offensive coordinator can see this, and a veteran like Jackson can see it, Joe has to wonder who else on the team is also seeing it?

Look, this is not an anti-Jameis post. Everything about the guy is what NFL teams dream of when drafting football players — except the lack of wins and too many fumbles, which disturbingly have increased every year Jameis has been in the NFL.

Are the turnovers and errant passes part of Jameis’ over-the-top DNA? Does he force things trying to make plays that may not exist, in part to impress his teammates and coaches that he can drag a woeful team to glory all by himself?

Joe’s not suggesting Jameis is selfish. Rather, it seems from the words of Jackson and to a degree, Monken, Jameis somehow thinks the losing is all his fault and that he himself can turn the team’s fortunes around just by sheer will power and desire.

Could that unbridled passion and drive blow up Jameis’ promising NFL career?

65 Responses to “Is Jameis’ Passion Wearing Thin?”

  1. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    He needs to become a man! And I’m hoping having a baby helps with that.

  2. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Having a decent rub will make a huge difference for Jameis. It’s not all on his arm. He has a weapon that all he has to do is hand him the ball. Jameis will have his best year so far. This is a team on the rise. Vegas is wrong.

  3. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    All I know is that if we fail to reach the post season again this year, it will be the 10th year in a row that the curse of has been in effect.

    How long must we suffer your tyrannical reign?

  4. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Question: does Jameis always force things, or does predictable play calling for Jamies into pooe decision making and turnovers. While I believe some of it is on Winston, there is a good portion on the play calling. And Dirk and staff likes to give the “we just didn’t execute” spiel. Don’t give me execution talk when the opposing team knows a run or pass is coming! You have less leverage to execute the play being called with a higher chance of forced error!

  5. gilhealy Says:

    Here we go. You would think a local supposed “Buc site” would take it easy on our young gun to offset the national bias thrown his way for the last 4 years. Nah, let’s find something to keep the narrative going. I rue the day I told Antonor Winston to follow this site. It was my foolish belief they had his son’s back, regardless of the constant national beating. Run Jameis, run.
    This is really funny. Exactly what does have “his son’s back” mean? Joe is not interested in getting rid of Jameis. Joe yearns for Jameis to have a great season. Joe has yearned publicly for the Bucs to build around Jameis and load up the offense around him.–Joe

  6. Walter Seidel Says:

    “Look, this is not an anti-Jameis post”………’s not? Then what the hell is it? Certainly ain’t “praise”. He’s got issues, and everyone knows it.

  7. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Also, maybe the coaches told him to tone it down as far as holding other players accountable a bit last season because we had too maby sensitive players (IE – Swagless Baker). Remember, there was a purported rift between Winston and coaching staff last season that was shot down last year by Monken, Licht, and co. I don’t make a big deal out of it as long as all sides remain on the same page of winning a title.

  8. AKick'nTheBucNuts Says:

    Less talk. More walk.

    It’s just that simple.

  9. Gobucs Says:

    And here come the “it’s not Winston’s fault he turns it over or has terrible accuracy it’s the coaches”

    Lmao. FSU homers.

  10. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis just needs to realize and accept that protecting the football is more important than making a big play… and then execute.
    Coaches need to make sure he has a running game to help Jameis reduce pressure on himself.
    I would guess that some of the tension between Brady and Belichick this off- season is because Brady fumbled when sacked when the SB was on the line…
    turnovers will kill your season

  11. Bob in Valrico Says:

    In 2015 ,the offense was both predictable and effective. But we had a better running game and run blocking. Better O line play will improve running game ,
    If that happens Jameis will have more play action opportunities. In the passing
    game Jameis has to avoid holding the ball too long in the pocket trying to make the big play. It really is up to Jameis to give up on a play that takes too long.
    We have plenty of great receiving options, spreading the ball out to the open man will make this offense more effective. Last year Jameis hat a approximatey 65% completion
    rate on 15-25 yard passes and only 20 % rate on passes over 35 yards. IMO the majority of plays should be thrown in the area that gives Jameis the best chance for success.

  12. Dewey Selmon Says:

    When you’re losing it’s trying to hard. When you’re winning it’s infectious. Simple as that.

  13. Jf Says:

    We’re talking about his passion for non-consensual touching right?

  14. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Some of this outward passion will subside with maturity but the inward passion never will….and you really can’t expect Jameis to change.

    I know there are many who rooted for a loss at the end of the season for a better draft position but I think that game-winning touchdown over the Saints did wonders for Jameis and the entire team….it may have saved Koetter. And it certainly didn’t hurt Chris Godwin.
    Jameis needs to be set up to succeed….call short, safe passes early in the games….hopefully get off to a faster start. Have a defense that keeps the game close early and win more close games…..that should do the job.

  15. Bob in Valrico Says:

    tThe offense was both predictable and effective in 2015. But we had a better running game and run blocking. Better O line play will improve running game ,
    If that happens Jameis will have more play action opportunities. In the passing
    game Jameis has to avoid holding the ball too long in the pocket trying to make the big play. It really is up to Jameis to give up on a play that takes too long.
    We have plenty of great receiving options, spreading the ball out to the open man will make this offense more effective. Last year Jameis hat a approximatey 65% completion
    rate on 15-25 yard passes and only 20 % rate on passes over 35 yards. IMO the majority of plays should be thrown in the area that gives Jameis the best chance for success.

  16. Ocala Says:

    Another anti Jameis article on JoeBucsfan
    So joe says in the article it’s not an antiJameis article.
    Yet JoeBucs fan writes nothing about ProFootball Focus ranking Jameis the top QB in the NFL under the age 25.

    It’s fairly obvious what this site is doing regarding the narrative it’s trying to portray regarding Jamies.

    A big part of me hopes the foolish fans and media in Tampa get what they want in getting rid of the best QB the franchise has ever had.
    First, Joe has written for years that Joe is no fan of standard QB ratings. You don’t see them referenced here. So why would Joe use PFF rankins. Second, Joe writes positive and negative about Jameis just like every other player. Losing 9 of 10 starts and your own coaches offering harsh commentary about the offense tends to make things lean a hair negative in the offseason.–Joe

  17. darin Says:

    I think he tries too hard to do the right thing by everyone. Cant please em all. Plus you’ve gota rid the bad if youre a true leader. I will say Saggy is on Dirk first. Dirk should have cut him in the preseason. But since he not only didnt do that and did nothing to stop his antics, then Jameis should have shut it down. So he is not a true team leader yet. But he will be soon, I hope. Somebody needs to step up since Dirk has shown he will not be a true leader either.

  18. The Buc Realist Says:

    Joe’s opinion says:
    “that he himself can turn the team’s fortunes around just by sheer will power and desire.

    Could that unbridled passion and drive blow up Jameis’ promising NFL ”

    Seems like that is what Joe thought and then wrote 1000 stories with JW3 as Christ/savior pictures!!!!!!!!!

  19. JabooBuc Says:

    As one of the biggest JW defenders on this site, I actually see this as fair criticism and not negative at all. At FSU JW started his freshman year on a team stacked for of talent and experience. I happen to know for those that played on that team, that he simply came in and did his job at first. This was also stressed to him. FSU was not a perineal loser that he had the pressure of turning around.

    While I don’t think the Swaggy thing is on JW, the “eating W’s” thing at NO was certainly an eye opener to me that he was trying to hard. JW needs to come to terms with the fact that professionals don’t need cheerleaders. They just need to know you will do your job.

  20. JabooBuc Says:

    Damn you autocorrect on IPhone

  21. gotbbucs Says:

    Eventually you have to win, otherwise the nonstop jabbering will get really old to the guys around him.

    I would personally get really tired of the over the top cheerleading, but I just stayed out of the big “rah-rah” circles and do my thing. Some guys feed off if it, some guys don’t.
    Winston will probably grow out of these stupid antics, you just hopes it’s before he annoys the hell out his teammates and wears them out.

  22. Not there yet Says:

    Tolerated Doug Martin’s antics? What are you saying they were out getting high together and he didn’t do what Winston told him to clean out his system? If Winston isn’t a leader than there isn’t one on this team because no one called out Baker until the end of the season, he’s not in a meeting room with the guy at all

    But yes it’s wearing thin with me and so badly I want him to shut up for a change and play football. You can’t be a leader and this talked that he is if you can’t lead a team like this to the playoffs, he’s one season away from being tuned out of he doesn’t deliver

  23. Bobby M. Says:

    Jameis excelled in college because he had elite talent surrounding him at FSU…..I believe one year FSU had 11 guys drafted from the offense and defense….Not to say he’s not talented but i’ve said since his days at FSU, he wont have all those comebacks and be that dominant in the NFL….The NFL penalizes you for inefficiency and errors….Winston has terrible ball placement and is a turnover machine. These guys are the best of the best and all that “rah rah” nonsense that was great in college, nobody is listening to that. Half the guys in the league likely are only playing because the money is so good. They aren’t listening to prep talks from a guy who most can see is causing just as many losses as wins…..This is a performance league. The pros/experts know all those stats are meaningless when you’re padding them because you trail by 2 and 3 scores most games.

  24. Bucsfanman Says:

    How can you guys criticize “America”?! Jameis was sent down from the heavens, chiseled from the purest stone. He is without equal, not even he can criticize himself for fear of the wrath. When Jameis speaks, it’s as though angels are trumpeting. DJax could be so honored that he is in the presence of greatness!
    All hail Jameis, the perfect one!

  25. Pickgrin Says:

    “Could that unbridled passion and drive blow up Jameis’ promising NFL career?”

    No, of course not – but lack of a running game, inadequate protection and any semblance of a decent Defense might if that ish were to continue…

    This article is a good example of why offseasons that follow a losing season are as hard or harder to stomach than the actual losing season itself.

    Because the negative assumptions about the sucky results of last year are constantly being analysed and over-analysed ad-nauseam – And then projected into the future as if NONE of the many talented young players will improve and as if NONE of the many great new additions will help the team win more games.

    Jason Licht did a masterful job of filling obvious needs with talented players this offseason. Signing JPP, Curry, Allen, Unrein, Jensen – Re-signing Grimes – Drafting Vea, ROJO, Stewart, Davis, Cappa, Whitehead, Watson and Cichy…

    I count 7 – maybe even 8 starters this year out of those additions.

    The 2018 Buccaneers will look quite different than the 2017 version.

    Expecting improved results from great players like Winston, Evans, DJax, Marpet, GMC, LD54, Kwon, Grimes etc – along with all the excellent new additions should be the chatter this time of year for THIS Bucs team. Not wallowing in last year’s ugly results – and especially not projecting last year’s (and the previous 9 year’s) ugly results onto this current team.

    Yea- yea – I know – until we see it on the field it doesn’t exist yet – right?

  26. Ocala Says:

    Jameis definitely has things he needs to improve but he has been put in almost untenable position of having a putrid kicking game and having the worst starting running back in the NFL and the worst defense in the NFL.

    There is not a QB in the NFL that would’ve had a winning season last year with a bad kicking game, the worst starting running back in the NFL and the worst defense in the NFL.
    Just watch the Bucs Vs Bills game last year to see the best example of Jameis not be able to do it all on his own.

  27. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    The entire organization has not played with passion or heart since sapp walked out door. Its not a Jameis issue its an organizational failure. No leadership from owners, front office and players. Organization and team is mentally wesk and soft.

  28. BringBucsBack Says:

    1. So, Jameis’ cheerleading has become Grudenesque? I wish Jameis would forget about saying all of the perfect things and focus on doing the perfect things.

    2. Didn’t Gerald’s pregame speech implore everyone to “have fun”? I think it is when Jameis “goes to the backyard” that the ass-passes and other boneheadery occurs. I’d prefer better concentration and focus.

    3. After watching the video, I have figured out the Bucs’ problem: Music!
    Have the Bucs never heard of the “Mozart effect”? Clinical studies have been conducted where groups of people were played Mozart’s music prior to testing and other groups were not. The groups that listened to Mozart prior to testing invariably scored higher than the groups that didn’t. This doesn’t only work with Mozart’s music. They discovered that all highly developed music can have the same effect.
    The “music” that is listened to at practice, while being enjoyed by many folks their age, certainly can’t be considered “highly developed”. You want a smarter team? Ditch the hate-filed, misogynistic, gun-toting, chest thumping rubbish and replace it with Mozart, Bach, Brahms, Beethoven, Gentle Giant and Zappa!

    If nothing else, it will irritate the players enough that perhaps their physical intensity increases!

  29. Hodad Says:

    Joe you start off saying Winston might be trying to hard to be a leader, but then say he wasn’t a leader enough while Swaggy was being a loser, and Martin was being ineffective. If a defensive player isn’t preforming it should be the defensive leaders, McCoy, and Kwon’s job to get on them. If Martin isn’t doing well it’s Koetter’s job to put the best players on the field. I agree, Winston needs to control what he can, and not get over hyped, but we need more then one leader, and a coach who puts the best players on the field.

  30. DB55 Says:

    The Bucs need more players with Jaboo drive and enthusiasm. Wish a certain 96 million dollar DT cared 1/10 as much as Jaboo.

    Run Jameis Run

  31. Bucko40 Says:

    What will the Bucs do when the NFL completes their investigation and hands down a suspension?

  32. BrianBucs Says:

    Hopefully Jameis will naturally tone it down as he gets older and matures. He needs to learn the old saying “walk softly but carry a big stick”

  33. Stanglassman Says:

    Compl %. Fumbles. Total turnovers

    Winston 61%. 31 59

    P. Manning 62.5%. 14 65

    B. Farve 60.5% 33 64

    A. Luck 58.5% 29 56

  34. Patrick in VA Says:

    I mean, is it really all that surprising that someone who has never dealt with losing at any level has struggled to cope with it at this level? He’s incredibly young and I’d say he’s panicking to a certain extent because he has done nothing but win his whole life until he got to the NFL and has done very little winning since getting there and I’m not sure he feels like he knows how to stop it. So, he’s overcompensating with the things he can control. Sounds like it’s just part of his maturation process as a person. He just doesn’t have the history and experience to know how to deal with it in his own way.

  35. macabee Says:

    A little less conversation, a little more action, please
    All this aggravation ain’t satisfactioning me
    A little more bite and a little less bark
    A little less fight and a little more spark
    Close your mouth and open up the offense and just win Jameis,
    just win!

    I’m sure the King won’t mind if I changed his words a bit. The Bucs have made improvements on both sides of the ball. Jameis is maturing – he’s going to be a father and bought a big ring expecting to get married soon. I am optimistic to say the least. How can I not be as the King says “a little less conversation and a little more action”. Go Bucs!

  36. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    The best part as usual is all blame goes on Jameis when the entire franchise is 100% void of leadership. the veteran failures get a free pass and the solution to bucs decade plus of failure gets pummeled by ignorant bucfan. It’s truly a buc life. Run the solution out of town while keeping the proven losers happy and comfortable that’s the glazer way.

  37. gilhealy Says:

    What’s funny about you taking others opinions and plastering them on your blog? Nothing. What’s funny about a site calling itself “JoeBucsFan”, being anything but a Bucs fan? Nothing. What’s funny about a father being told that his son gets a fair shake from a home town blogger, and then finding out they’re sheep like the rest of the media? Nothing. Fandom has nothing to do with 80% of what you print. Now, go get those trolls. Bottom line and such. It’s just getting harder to glean who the troll is.

  38. Lamarcus Says:

    Yea he probably don’t want to be the Bucs no more. It’s ruining his reputation and drive to win. It happens to everyone who comes to play here. Even the most passionate (JW) is getting stone walled.

    I don’t buy what Monken and djx are selling. This team could of won with JW and Fitz performances of last year. But we didn’t.

  39. Ndog Says:

    It is getting to the poInt where I almost want Jameis to leave this team so all these people can see just how clueless they are.

  40. 813bucboi Says:

    Winston needs to improve, sure….

    the only thing that’s wearing thin is everyone’s patience….

    imo, the coaches set the tone for how things are going to go and the players hold each other accountable…..but if the coaches act like they don’t care than what are they suppose to do?…..I find it hard to believe that the coaches didn’t notice bakers antics…..but I do believe they noticed it and did nothing about it or notified players like GMC, LVD who are the ultimate good guys on the team…..they didnt ask the “new” leaders(Winston & kwon) to step in because they knew what would happen… altercation would ensue(like vs the panthers) and this staff wants everyone to be nice guys and buddy buddy…..

    the problem is only a few players seem to have winstons back mostly the players that came in with evans or Winston or after……

    this teams needs a strong leader at the top and dirk and smitty aint that person…..a coach that the bucs can take an identity from…..dirk and smitty are too soft….mr. blank tried to tell anyone who was listening…..


  41. Wausa Says:

    The Bucs are doomed to repeat history:

    If someone were to ask you, “Would you trade a future Hall of Famer in his prime for a second- and fourth-round pick?” you’d say no without hesitation. Yet, in 1987, that’s what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers did, shipping 26-year-old Steve Young to the San Francisco 49ers for two draft picks.
    Young was deemed a bust after going 3-16 in his first two NFL seasons, and the 49ers were in need of a backup with Joe Montana’s health in question. The teams agreed to the trade, and Young went on to win three Super Bowls and two MVPs and make it all the way to the Hall of Fame.

  42. 813bucboi Says:

    lamarcus & ndog

    I agree!!!!!!….

    and its sad because he’s the QB and leader we need!!!!!

    sadly, some folks wouldn’t know a winner if it punched them in the face…..


  43. webster Says:

    This is one of the worst articles ever written on a suppsodely buc site. First of all joe, you need to work on stop trying to create a story and understand what monken and djax is saying. You wrote it yourself. You said djax said winston needs to go back to his florida state days. Were you alive during winston’s florida state days? This man went viral due to his pregame speech game 1. He went viral again before they played clemson. This is who jameis is. When djax says stop trying to impress everybody, he is not talking about his teammates. Djax is talking about the clueless fans and media who continue to spew these stupid narrative. So you know exactly what D-Jax meant?–Joe When monken says stop doing so much, he means not giving up on a play or forcing passes. Not once did either of them say winston needs to stop his pregame speeches. Actually, Monken was asked specifically about pregame speeches (not by Joe) and said dialing that back was part of not trying to do too much. –Joe Speaking of florida state while as a true freshman, players like xavier rhodes, telvin smith are on record as saying you would have thought jameis was the starter and not ej manuel. The rah rah is who jameis is. You are reading way too much into these statements but you tend to read into stuff a lot. Who could ever forget the great article of brate being traded because oj howard was drafting. Simply write the story and not try to create the story. If you don’t want Joe’s opinion, then why are you here? Nearly every post has Joe’s opinion in it. Joe’s not creating any story here. –Joe

  44. webster Says:

    ^^^^^oj howard was drafted

  45. Lamarcus Says:


    Yea man. I keep trying to convince myself that he just been humble from being a Hard knocks star to Uber case, eating Ws, starting roits, and knowly his own fanbase don’t like him. But I know he is a winner and losing is getting to his mojo

  46. webster Says:

    Joe you are acting like you know what djax meant by putting words in his mouth or giving your “opinion”. And thats why many on this thread is calling it another hit piece by you. If this makes you feel good, so be it. Its your site. FEED THE TROLLS.


    I am on record for over a year saying jameis should get out of this backwards town and go somewhere where the fans understand football because a lot of the fans and media here are severly lacking the basic knowledge to follow this sport correctly.

  47. Wausa Says:


    Good points

    4th ranked passing offense
    26th ranked rushing offense
    32nd ranked 3rd down defense
    32nd ranked passing defense
    32nd ranked TOTAL defense
    lowest yards per carry of any primary starting running back in the NFL
    a woeful kicking game and an injured throwing shoulder for the majority of the season.

    Let’s get rid of the Quarterback it’s all his fault.

  48. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Could that unbridled passion and drive blow up Jameis’ promising NFL career?”

    Could a plane fly into my office right now and hit me?

    Sure. But I don’t live my life thinking like that.

    Winston is very much successful because of his unbridled passion and drive. He has improved as a passer every season years 1-3. He was robbed of a winning record last year due to the defense and special teams choking late in games (Pats/Bills/Packers/Panthers).

    If he fails it won’t be because of passion and drive. I don’t see anything but a franchise QB through 3 years – even with his faults – so I’m not sure where this is going.

    I think the whole point of Djax/Monken is that Winston puts too much on himself and gets too amp’ed at times. Fair observation. But to jump from “this is something our QB could work on” to “is this going to ruin his entire career?!?!” is just too much for me.

    Hard to not have pressure on yourself when the run game / special teams / defense are all horrifically bad. I can’t blame him for pressing when he knows that a TD lead is not enough to win games. Or that if we are down 1 TD and we have to punt – we’re likely down 2 TDs the next time he touches the ball. That’s a sh1tty mentality to be in but it was a realistic way to think given the defensive play last year.

  49. Wausa Says:

    Lord Cornelius:

    There are those in the media(Matt Baker is the worst of them all) that want Jamies out of Tampa.

    The media often tries to drive the sensationalized narrative for multiple reasons.

  50. 813bucboi Says:


    imo, part of him “doing too much” was a result of poor coaching, predictable play calling and no defense…..

    Winston isn’t the type that will sit on the field and die slow unlike smitty and his “bend don’t break” defense….


  51. Bucsfanman Says:

    813- That’s what worries me, the coaching. The absurdity of the play-calling worked to Jameis disadvantage. Running game or not, you don’t need to throw fly routes and 7 step drops.
    I don’t think Koetter is familiar with the quick-throw short passing game.

  52. 813bucboi Says:


    I agree….

    if we had a defense and slightly better play calling, we could’ve had 10wins including the DET game….

    I just cant believe folks at OBP are saying anything like this…..imo, monken threw Winston under the bus…..Winston could come up and state what everyone needs to work on too….Winston is smart….he knows he has to get better…..but he doesn’t need his coaches or team mates going to the media saying Winston needs to do x,y and z……

    I wish I could tell monken be careful what you wish for…..the last thing I want to see is Winston become a stoic player just going thru the motions like say a joe flacco…..then folks like monken will be saying they need a QB with some fire just like what their saying in Baltimore now….

    folks are forgetting that this staff was hired because the glazers thought dirk could get the most out of Winston….heading into his 4th year, that hasn’t been the case…..seems like the previous staff had the correct formula on how to develop a good young QB….a good run game which we haven’t had since 2015….the previous staff didnt have this much talent but Winston sure as hell didnt look this bad…..he looked more promising as a rookie….


  53. Lord Cornelius Says:

    For sure my liege. Gonna be a huge year


  54. 813bucboi Says:



    the coaches are failing……

    I remember when Winston was a rookie…..1st game vs TENN he threw that out route and it turned into a pick6 week1…..week 3 he threw a pick to q.demps same route….week4 josh norman took 1 to the house on the same out route….

    the next time he threw a out route to the wide side of the field was in week15 vs the rams…..

    the coaches made a adjustment….they said this is something Winston isn’t ready for….make his throws easy….in breaking routes….seem routes….post….

    but this staff is too stubborn and thinks they know it all so WTFDIK!!!!!!


  55. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    II fail to see how Jameis Winston is in any way responsible for the defense. That’s just silly.

  56. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Are the turnovers and errant passes part of Jameis’ over-the-top DNA? Does he force things trying to make plays that may not exist, in part to impress his teammates and coaches that he can drag a woeful team to glory all by himself?”

    It is part of his DNA, being a gunslinger…but Jameis isn’t about hogging glory. He’s about winning. And this team isn’t doing it. That’s not because of his leadership at all. It is because the team lacked the talent in todays NFL.

    BUT…that has now changed.

  57. Wausa Says:

    When you have an awful running game and a terrible defense you have to try and force things if you are the QB.

  58. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Gobucs Says
    “FSU homers.”

    Contrary to your biased beliefs, not everyone who supports Winston supports FSU. I don’t even care for college ball, but if I did, I would support the Bulls…the local team. That’s a big if though. I hate the rule differences.

    As to Winston, everyone knows what his weaknesses are. Some of those weaknesses are par for the course with gunslinger quarterbacks…that IS why they are called Gunslingers after all.

    The accuracy is only a real issue when going deep. He is fine in short to medium range. So far as going deep, some of it is certainly his fault. Some of it is not.

    For example, playing with an injured shoulder did not help matters improve last year, and neither did being forced to connect with a WR who cannot run proper routes and was constantly held up…not to mention all of Jackson’s drops (and there were far more than PFF admits).

    So far as the win/loss record…that comes down to defense and running game…as everyone here knows. Did he, or did he not, bring the team back from behind on multiple games last year only to have our defense blow it?

    No sense in denying it.

    The Broncos learned that they needed a defense to win the Superbowl a few years ago. What did they do? They improve the defensive roster and won the trophy. The Patriots themselves get all sorts of credit for offense, but the truth is that game management and defense wins most of their games.

    And last year? Defense won the championship.

    Now, saying that…when you draft a quarterback with the first pick, you build around him before anything else. Give him the best chance to develop and succeed. So that delayed the defense being addressed properly in the draft.

    Now it finally has been.

    Off topic…I was watching so Bucs games from last year…JR Sweezy was a beast in the running game. He opened lane after lane. The RBs on the team missed them all, but it really showed vs the Patriots (Martin’s return). Sweezy was manhandling the defensive line.

    So I can see why the Bucs are hoping to keep him.

  59. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Also, notice how he was able to go deep to Mike Evans fine in 2016. It wasn’t just Jameis that was the problem last year. Jackson is a curse to this offense.

    I actually miss Vincent Jackson at this point. I mean, sure, he was slow and decreasing in talent, but at least he did not disrupt things. Jameis and Koetter both walk on eggshells to keep from setting off DJax.

    What I would like to see is Winston getting in DJax’s face and telling him if he wants the ball thrown to him, fight for it and earn it. Drop the Diva attitude…it isn’t earned…not even before he arrived in Tampa.

  60. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Good question Joe, “WHY ARE WE HERE?”
    Like I said before it’s like Yanny and Laurel.Because what I hear from Djax and Monken is ALWAYS different from the CONCLUSION you draw!

  61. J Says:

    We need Tua 2020

  62. TampaTown Says:

    Jameis is maturing. And congratulations to him and Breion on their engagement yesterday! That ring is the size of a football! Becoming a father and husband in real life are the things that will make him a man on the field. I am certainly rooting for him. And I hear Laurel.

  63. Sweeptheleg Says:

    In order for Winston to succeed everything must be perfect.

    The best running game.
    The best o-line protection.
    The best defense.
    The best receivers money can buy.
    The best coaches ever.

    Otherwise it’s somene else’s fault.
    Manning won in indy with bad defenses every year.
    Winston can’t carry a team.

  64. 813bucboi Says:


    as a track runner, I was taugh to take off on the click not the bang….

    I heard yanny….lol….


  65. Joe Says:

    It is part of his DNA, being a gunslinger…but Jameis isn’t about hogging glory. He’s about winning.

    Joe thinks this is largely true. However, the difference between tolerating a gunslinger (turnovers) and risking a great deal is wins.

    Yeah, Brett Favre (who a lot of folks compare Jameis to) was equally a gunslinger. Difference was, Favre pulled out wins.