It Wasn’t The Raiders

October 31st, 2016
Can't blame Raiders. (Photo courtesy of

Can’t blame Raiders. (Photo courtesy of

Joe already stated how America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, fell off the map in the second half yesterday.

After looking every bit the part of a No. 1 overall draft pick in the first 16 minutes of the game, Jameis didn’t just turn into a Halloween pumpkin. He turned into Josh Freeman circa 2013, with just six completions in seven second half and overtime drives combined. Six!

It was unsettling to watch, and listening to Bucs coach Dirk Koetter’s final comment today in his day-after presser, Koetter’s words were disturbing.

Asked if the Raiders changed their defense on the Bucs or changed packages in the second half to throw off Jameis, Koetter said that was not the case.

“No,” Koetter said, shaking his head matter-of-factly. “They were doing the same stuff.”

The implication from Koetter is clear: Either the offense as a whole melted down or Jameis himself turned into Rick Vaughn, “Wild Thing,” of “Major League” fame.

For that to happen in crunch time when the Bucs needed him so badly with the Raiders handing the Bucs the win on a silver platter several times, well, Joe is rather concerned indeed.

47 Responses to “It Wasn’t The Raiders”

  1. AtlBucFanDan Says:

    Had 1 defender not held during a 4th down play, we would be discussing how lucky we were to have won. Jude single-handily lost us that game.

  2. BucTrooper Says:

    ^^^ Don’t forget he collided with McDougal on the final play.

    It pizzes me off that I can’t even pronounce that little twerp’s name to be mad at him.

  3. AtlBucFanDan Says:

    LOL Trooper, LOL

    Yeah, that’s why he will forever just be called ‘Jude’

  4. Silent_Partner Says:

    They didn’t have to change the defense. They were whipping your offensive line’s tail. Mack had 10 pressures and 2 sacks alone, so you do the math on how that speeds up your QB in the pocket. Would be nice if you had an HC or GM who realized that and did something about your QB getting hit more than anybody in the league and having 1.5 seconds to throw.

  5. DB55 Says:

    It wasn’t just bad throws there were drops, roughing calls not called, pressure you name it.

    All I know is with 3mins left in the second half Jameis took the lead. last drive he completed 3 passes for 30 yards to get us to the 10 then he scrambled for another 6 to set us up for the go-ahead TD.

    YES THE GO-AHEAD TD with 3:48 left to play. No lead is EVER safe when Gerald McCoy is on the field.

  6. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    Yes Jameis was super inconsistent after the first big touchdown drive. But I don’t care one bit. This site is full of babies, and those that need a daily dose of Ginko Biloba. WE HAD THIS GAME WON! IT WAS 24-17 AND WE STOPPED THEM ON 4TH DOWN IF NOT FOR ONE MISTAKE!

    Holy crap I get it, Jameis Made a number of really bad throws that were hard and high, but god dammit, between the Raiders Shooting themselves in the foot, and Aguayo absolutely shanking an extra point, Jameis Had done enough to win this game. And on the Precipice of victory, one person made a bone headed mistake and threw the game.

    Was overtime ugly and torturous to watch? Hell yes it was.

    Did the Raiders give us every chance to win this game in Over time? Hell yes they did.

    Buy holy crap people. We had this game won. We are a YOUNG TEAM. Jameis is 22 years old people. Derek Carr is 25, with an additional year of NFL experience, and has one of the best Receiver tandems in the frigging League. Yet Jameis still held his own, albeit in a far uglier manner. He had his team in position to win against a 5-2 team that was 4-0 on the road.

    Shame on you Joe. I thought you were a True Blue Bucs fan and Die hard Jameis Supporter. Shame on you for some of the articles you posted today.

  7. Tbaybuc Says:

    We know one thing, we don’t necessarily win just because JW doesn’t turn the ball over. My only real issue with him is his accuracy. He throws some that confirms that he can get it there and then some are just high? Outside of that and if he can correct, get more weapons, time, whatever….then he will be top tier I think!

  8. Tbaybuc Says:

    Need a top shelf DE/safety, and a good receiver

  9. Ryan Says:

    It was the d.Simple as that. We were ahead with 3 min to go and Oover paid never show up super stars co stop a 90 yard drive. Until we gut and purge this d this will continue to happen.Did you see how much time Carr had?
    Smith could have dialed up a blitz or 2 as well.

  10. buccfan305 Says:

    Never fails…Koetter will loose faith in Jameis. He’ll trade him, bring in some garbage a $$ QB and get fired anyway. Revovling door.

  11. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    No. Koetter would be fired before we traded Jameis. You can bet on that.

  12. Youngbucs Says:

    I need a drink

  13. Silent_Partner Says:

    Ryan ,
    Yeah, your defense giving up 626 yards is the only story. Anyone else bringing up anything else is pushing an agenda. Raiders legit have a top 5 roster in football but have poor coaching, which makes them look average at times. As far as blitzing, Mike Smith did on the last play of the game and got burned. He might have wanted to play that conservatively there, but gambled to try to get heat on Carr, and that guy not only has a quick release but also has had his team spend a lot of FA money and draft picks on protecting him.

  14. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    But i don’t think it will come to that. This year is lining up for my 9-7 prediction. Once we get Jameis some more weapons, and as he gains experience, He will become an elite Qb. The two things he needs are a speedster Wide reciever that can blow past defensive secondaries as well as run precise routes, and an actual manbeast Tight-end ( not a pretend manbeast like Jenkins is ) that is sure-handed that can act as a safety blanket for JW3 over the middle.

    Do that for him, continue to upgrade our positions of weakness on the the O-line, Center and Right tackle. And I am confident that Jameis will be Elite.

  15. D-Rome Says:

    If Koetter loses trust in Jameis and Jameis’ regression continues will people start saying Dirk ruined Jameis?

  16. WhatdaBUCisthis Says:

    I’m losing faith in both of them. Play calling absolutely suspect…#3 can’t hit a elephant walking by
    C’mon BUCS

  17. Capt. Blighe Says:

    They broke my spirit yesterday. I lost faith in so much.
    Koetter what is he doing at the end of the first half, at the end of the game.
    Most of overtime, he doesn’t trust Jameis so he doesn’t try to move the ball.
    I have often thought he doesn’t want to be a head coach, Kinda got pressured into it.
    Jameis has no confidence and righty so he overthrew everybody under the sun lately.

    LVD just is not the same anymore and our back 7 is all undersized. Cooper and Crabtree looked like a dad playing with his son. 6 wins again.

  18. SB with Jameis Says:

    Meanwhile Marcus Mariota is 4 and 3 with 14 TDs to 6 Ints and has 4 games already this season where he threw a Minimum 69% completion rate.

  19. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    @SB with Jameis, Marcus has Derrick Henry Demarco Murray at runnning back. A solid young O-line, and most importantly, He’s playing in a garbage division, and has won against garbage opponents. According to the titans have the 23rd easiest schedule, Where The Bucs are tied for 5th Hardest. And I repeat to you sir, we had this game won, it should never have gone to over time. The Raiders committed a record breaking 23 penalties, but the only penalty that truly meant something, was the defensive holding on 4th and 10 called against Jude Adjei-Barimah. If not for that penalty, we would all be praising our team for a 4th quarter comeback at home against a 5-2 opponent. Child Please.

  20. Bucnut2 Says:

    SB- like I have been saying for 2 years, we picked the wrong QB.

  21. Blake_Bucsfan Says:

    You guys are so wrong. Just wait baby, just wait.

  22. Guzzie Says:

    We are really good at losing, it’s what we are good at, the chokeaneers, Americas inaccurate QB, Lameist Jameis, the only reason 3 and Koetter looked good last year was because of the extremely soft schedule, we play any team that has a remote idea how to play football, and we crap the bed….pathetic

  23. grafikdetail Says:

    wrong! just had the pentalty… but!! mcdougald came down & collided with jude… jude was wrapping up the WR’s legs trying to bring him down and mcdougald came down and totally missed the WR and hit Jude

  24. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    All of u guys are so quick to turn on JW3. He missed bad on 2 deep balls that would have been tds, but there was hella wind yesterday. So much wind that 1st round and HOF kicker Seabass missed 2 GAME WINNING FGS. if u guys want a scape goat for this one it should be on Dirk and our $Hitty defence. The play calling is way to predictable. Bucs = run, run, pass.ohh, and EVERY1 knew that Donald Penn was going to get him a td. GMC even said it. But they ignored it.

  25. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    I’m telling u now, the next great HC in this league will be Matt Patricia from the Patriots. If this defence can’t be fixed bring him in as a co- HC so if dirk can’t get his $hit together we can promote him

  26. BucFan20 Says:

    And the lead was not safe with big money FA Robert Ayers on the field either!!

  27. salish_seamonster Says:

    Jameis is not good. This is the kind of thing I was worried about when he was drafted… Interceptions, accuracy problems, general inconsistency. I support him because I’m a fan, and I want him to prove me wrong… but my faith in him is severely damaged until he gives me good reason to trust him. I just don’t think he’s ever going to be accurate and consistent. This is who he is.

  28. BucFan20 Says:

    And you can say all you want about our last TD drive. We scored. Good job Jameis. But without the 40 yards in assistance from the Raiders that drive was dead!

  29. DB55 Says:


    Careful now say something like that again I might turn on you.

  30. RP Says:

    FLAShbacks of Josh Freeman!

  31. Bucworld Says:

    Well said Blake.

  32. Marv Says:

    Everybody relax. Jameis was taking a beating. Good red zone decisions

  33. Tampa Tony Says:

    Freeman 2.0 crapped the bed and proved why he isn’t a franchise type player. He’s just an inaccurate qb who can’t elevate the game of those around him.

  34. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Is it disappointing to see Winston struggle at times? Absolutely. I will not deny my frustrations with Winston and the ENTIRE offense. lineman, are not consistently holding their blocks. WRs are not creating separation. And Winston is missing throws he can certainly make.

    But I am not going to give up on Winston and start calling him names. I am a homer and I am an optimist, most of the time. Parts of me wants to say Winston just isn’t progressing enough. But my brain always calms me down and tells me that realistically, not many QBs could do better in this offense. Constantly getting hit. Never an open receiver. From what has been said, it sounds like the offense is predictable and easy to read.

    Licht and koetter dropped the ball big time by not signing some talented WRs. Where the hell is cecil shorts? Does he even have 2 catches this year? How is he not producing anything at all?

    How about that catch by Russell Shepard! That was an all pro type play. Was that catch up to Joe’s WR standards? Lol

  35. Erik w/ Clean Athletics 'The Kwon Alexander of Bucs Fans' Says:

    What the he!! happened to rolling Jameis out???

    And what the he!! happened to our no-huddle offense????

  36. AtlBucFanDan Says:

    “No-huddle offense?”

    The coach thought you meant No offense!

    As in, they brought no-offense

    I hope they get that cleared up

  37. joeblockedlme Says:

    Fired Lovie to soon. Now joebucfans bottom feeders will blame Jamies for this dismal team.

  38. BucsFanRioDeJaneiro Says:

    Fellow Bucs Fans,
    Derek Carr had a clean pocket almost every single down since 2nd quarter. He had the time to sing Bohemian Rapsody before making the passes. Even me, a Brazilian guy, with such amount of time, would put at least 300 yards on board.
    #3, instead, always had Khalil Mack and his gang grabbing his jersey, legs and/or neck time and again.
    Cam Brate, Russell Sheppard, Adam Humphries and Cecil Shorts are nice guys, but… Really?
    Without Rodgers, what Jameis could do? Evans, Evans, Evans ?
    #3 led us to a win… Until Jude made that unbelievable holding on a 4th down – when Carr was throwing the ball to the dark side of the moon.
    I understand the frustration with another painful loss. But, hey, Josh Freeman?We do have a franchise QB – just 22 years old. Let’s give him some support (and hopefully, next year, some decent targets).
    Please apologize my poor English.
    Go Bucs!!!

  39. AtlBucFanDan Says:

    Very well and optimistically put, Rio.

  40. Shane Says:

    I don’t think the WRs were getting separation. When he threw the ball the dbs were like on them like white on rice. Ya gotta get some kind of separation. He throws high because they get no separation. Wish some of you had played the game so you’ll understand things better.

  41. Shane Says:

    Winston only had 1.2 secs to throw while Carr had all damn day. LOok at the tape JoeBucsFan

  42. Tony Says:

    There is a STRIKINGLY eerie pattern going on with Jameis and it has nothing to do with the Bucs…

    Whenever Florida State loses this year… Jameis ends up having a VERY poor week. He goes to every FSU game he has a chance to and is still so involved that he’s giving speeches to the team at halftime. He admits to wanting them to win as much as he wants his own Bucs to win. He’s too invested and it shows. Don’t believe me… line up FSU’s schedule with the Bucs and check Jameis’ performance against their W’s and L’s.

  43. Warren Says:

    Rio and Blake said it all. We can’t become mired in negativity when we were so close to beating a much better team (roster wise). Let’s see how we bounce back on Thursday

  44. JM Says:

    You all fail to realize, the Raiders tried to lose that game. We were only close to beating them because they did all they could to give it away.

  45. evolvingBucfan Says:

    @Blake ….. love your sermon….amen!!!!!!!!

  46. dkdubbnole Says:

    Tony is you believe that Jameis is too involved with FSU when he has been seen at a grand total of 1 game this year, I have some prime ocean front property to sell you in Nebraska. Your statement shows that you know absolutely nothing in regards to football or Jameis/FSU.

    Jameis is still brand new to this league and doing not too bad. Carson Wentz and Dak Prescott are on completely different teams than Winston. Prescott has without a doubt the best o-line in football, to go with an amazing running back. Wentz is asked to go in and manage games and not do much because their defense is so good. Winston has nothing to work with in Tampa. Martin has been injured all year. V Jax is gone. The defense is the laughing stock of the league. The o-line is ATROCIOUS. Against the Raiders, Evans was the only drafted skill player on the offense he had as a weapon once Rodgers got hurt. As the running game goes, this offense will go.

  47. DoNUTS Says:

    @Blake We can tell the truth hurts…but the truth is #3 is not playing well and not looking anywhere like the 1st pick in the NFL draft. Keep in mind, Carr was drafted in the 2nd round a year later and looked really good regardless of the wind, schedule, OL, or any of the other excuses you want to come up with to justify the poor performance.

    He stinks like garbage in the summer…and until he puts a string of 3-4 games together where he looks legit…these comments will continue. He has yet to do that…he looks good for 1 game and then regresses. I know Koetter sees it and he has to be worried as his job is linked to #3.