Mankins = Draft Another O-Lineman
October 17th, 2015
What better to do on a bye week Saturday than engage in deep thought about the Bucs’ logical and best next moves this offseason?
Yeah, there’s a ton of football to play, injuries to be had — and healed — and a won-loss record to consider, as well as the results in the division. But Joe won’t let that stand in the way.
Logan Mankins is at the center of Joe’s mind today. Mankins is being credited, in large part, for the rapid and quality development of the rookie second-round picks, Donovan Smith and Ali Marpet.
And then there’s Kevin Pamphile. He was glued to Mankins all spring, and look at the results?
If the solid play of those three youngsters holds through this season, then why not draft another O-lineman with a top pick next spring? Bring back Mankins for the $7 million he’s due and let him work his magic.
Joe’s salivating right now at the thought of the Bucs adding a blue chip young center or right tackle.
It’s hard to argue against loading up on offensive linemen when you have a 22-year-old (next year) quarterback.
October 17th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
If you’re going to use the 1st pick let’s make it the left tackle. That way D. Smith could play left guard next year and he or Pamphile eventually takes over at right tackle. Can’t see paying Mankins next yr. Believe it’s about 8.5 million.
October 17th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
Works for me. Eventually having the best o-line in the NFL would not be a bad thing. Imposing your will on the other team goes for the o-line as well.
October 17th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
rt or center. nothing else. then secondary.
October 17th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
You take the best player available. Plain and simple, be it DE, OL, or a DB.
We also need some real blazing speed at receiver. Not in the 1st or 2nd round of course, but who do you think is the fastest guy out there currently, Sims?
October 17th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
Def not first pick on OL. 2nd or 3rd. Major secondary holes right now. not to mention a DE is needed. Needs right now, DE, CB, Safety, LB, LG/LT, WR
October 17th, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Um…no.
We need to focus on defense in the next draft.
In a pinch, Ali Marpet can play center if needed since it is easier to fill the position of guard than center with added players.
Marpet is an even better center than he is a guard.
Regardless…keep trying to fix the center spot through free agency or late round draft. The first half of the draft should focus on DE and the rest of the defense.
The oline just needs time to develop.
If we don’t fix the defense, the team will remain bad.
Besides…most of the people here would blame Lovie for not building the defense if he didn’t draft for it early.
October 17th, 2015 at 3:50 pm
Keep building the o-line. Damn the torpedoes, forget the D, Lovie can’t teach them anyways. He’s going to run out of former Bears eventually though, so maybe draft some D for the future coach should that take place.
October 17th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
BB agree with most of what you said. Here is my take. focus on D backfield and pass rusher but in the 3rd or 4th round grab another o-lineman. In other words reverse what we did this year when we drafted offense but picked up Kwan in the 4th round. Like the idea of Mankins mentoring another stud.
October 17th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
Okay go DB then if you have to. All depends on how high they’re picking, but I’ll take Jalen Ramsey from FSU. The announcer for the game today said he’s just like another Revis at the very second I was telling my wife the same thing. We said Revis at the exact same time. College QB’s won’t even look his way on the field and that’s Revis jr. Yes college is college, but he’s damn gooood.
Plus we need more Noles on the team for Jameis to hang with. 🙂
October 17th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Jameis is the franchise, and he needs an O-line more than anything.
Right now:
WR
OL
DE
CB
TE
October 17th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
I really think our D is two players away from being really good. A dominant safety and a top flight corner. If we can stop teams the offense will look even better. I think the offense can be scary next year. If JW can limit his mistakes we can play smash mouth and run or go down field to ME, VJ and ASJ.
October 17th, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Vic, don’t forget we have Kenny Bell back next year.
October 17th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
Plus we need more Noles on the team for Jameis to hang with. 🙂
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draft #4 while you’re at it
October 17th, 2015 at 4:38 pm
Only Bucs fans would be talking NFL draft 6 months out. But since we’re day-dreaming …
1st – DE or CB (best available)
2nd – BD or DE (other best available)
3rd – OL (preferably a LT or RT)
4th – Safety
5th – Best available player
6th – Best available player
Hopefully those 3 defensive players work out because we need much better play from all 3 positions.
We also best hope that we can re-sign at least half of our Unrestricted Free Agents … 7 on defense plus 3 on offense (to include Martin and Rainey).
October 17th, 2015 at 4:41 pm
Better start looking at the keyboard …
2nd – CB or DE (other best available)
October 17th, 2015 at 4:49 pm
DB…#4 is stuck @ FSU for another season baby. He’s only a Sophomore. No redshirt ether and I have no problems with that at all. Jalen on the other hand might go in the first 10 picks.
October 17th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
With the draft pick it is always better to go with the best player available early. Agree our defense is the priority. CB, DE and Safety must be addressed unless we can get in FA. The OL is going to be fine. The problem with Logan Mankins is that his age is showing and he was just injured. You have to ask yourself the question? Is it better to continue to pay him 7M or better to use that $ for a FA Guard who is younger and probably better? Or use the $ to add into the 49M under the cap next year to make it 56M and go after a WR, DE or LB? Kevin Pamphile will be ready next year to replace Mankins if Lovie and Licht decide to.
October 17th, 2015 at 4:57 pm
They already have a talented young Right Tackle.
His name is Ried Fragel
If in doubt, review last weeks tape
Pamphile looks well suited at Guard, or Tackle in a pinch
October 17th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
It will depend on the players available at the time of our pick…..but from an absolute need standpoint….I believe CB….S….DE…..OL would be my priority order.
We desperately need some help in the secondary….
October 17th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
We already have a talented young Rivht tackle
Reid Fragel
If in doubt, review last weeks film
October 17th, 2015 at 5:27 pm
I would move Smith to rt and move Ali to center then draft a Lt. I believe Ali would be a hall of fame center and Smith a perennial pro bowler at right.
October 17th, 2015 at 5:34 pm
CB
October 17th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Can someone please tell harbaugh that “it takes time”. Ty
October 17th, 2015 at 6:05 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 16th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
YESTERDAY ON JBF :
Tiny Tim Says:
October 15th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
“Winston is not a good quarterback. His mechanics are off and his brain is complete mush.”
Tiny Tim Says:
October 15th, 2015 at 3:32 pm
#29 QB Rating in the league. Most of his stats are garbage time and/or dink and dunk passes. #Bust
THEN TODAY ON JBF :
Tiny Tim Says :
Way to go Famous Jameis!!!!!! Continue to prove the haters, doubters, and more importantly the racist wrong!!
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Hold the F#$& up. I don’t know could hack into my account or if buc1987 ha hack into my account. I have been a Jameies backer before the damn draft. Those comments you posted 1987 is complete and utter BS!!! I have never talk bad about Famous Jameis. As someone who post as much as you do, you should already know I would not post some Bs like that. I have gone against Supersam, bucbonzai, eric and whoever else was against the drafting of Jameis Winston. Now I read on BucStop someone trying to soil my name!!!!!!!! Go back and look at all my post and you will see I never posted against Jameis. I was never a Mariota or a trade down guy. i was Jameis all the way. buc1987 I asked the whole JBF posters why is there so much hate for #3? I asked was it racist?
@ Joe…
You need to fix whatever glitch you have where a peon like buc1987 can hack into my account and post false statements under my name. Buc1987 you do not exist to me sir!!! You are a b*%$^H a$$ mf!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
I’m going against what I’ve said in the past, but if we’re in position, I’d like to grab Hargreaves!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:10 pm
87, I don’t know if Lovie would draft any Noles. I’ve said before that I think we passed on Noles this past draft to get Jameis away from the college mentality.
October 17th, 2015 at 6:17 pm
Id go DE and FS or CB
October 17th, 2015 at 6:21 pm
@ Joe
You need to find out who is posting in my name. I have been a winston backer from day one. Look at all my post prior to a couple of days ago. You will never see me talk bad about Winston. I don’t know what type of site you have where a peon like buc1987 can hack into my account and post false hoods under my name. And if its not buc1987 then I am sorry. But what ever system you have over there you need to fix it 911!!!! I will not allow my name to be soiled because you let someone else take my screen name. Get it fixed!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
Tiny T- Johnson
You are, and have been- a troll. Lying now is fooling no one
And I told you- your Troll ass is not Allowed to use the same name as the great and Powerful Capt.Tim
You must post as “tiny johnson”, or “tiny fking troll”
Pick one. Stop lying. Go troll elsewhere
And take that idiot Bucnut with you
October 17th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
@ Joe
You owe me an apology for letting someone else post under my damn name. I’ve been on your site for far too long for this BS. I have never changed my screen name like many BS artists on this site. Get it FIXED!!!!! You got another website BUCSTOP calling me out??? What type of website is this???
October 17th, 2015 at 6:31 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 6:24 pm
Tiny T- Johnson
You are, and have been- a troll. Lying now is fooling no one
And I told you- your Troll ass is not Allowed to use the same name as the great and Powerful Capt.Tim
You must post as “tiny johnson”, or “tiny fking troll”
Pick one. Stop lying. Go troll elsewhere
And take that idiot Bucnut with you
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I have never talked bad about Famous. I was always on board. Go look up all my post. you are the troll sir for not seeing that. Joe get it Fixed!!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
All you retards are even bigger idiots than I thought. I defended Jameis way before the draft and since. And you idiots are going to let someone in the last two days use my screen name and call it me? Buc1987 since you always love bringing up old post, go look at my post before the draft as it relates to Winston. Matter of fact, go look up all my post after the draft. How would I have that drastic of change of an opinion? You guys are idiots!!!! Get it fixed Joe!!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Tiny Tim….wait wait wait. I just scrolled up more.
I NEVER hacked into your account. I simply went through the archives and searched the words Winston and bust. That’s where I found them. All I did was copy and paste.
Seriously dude I would never do such a thing. Peon??? Really? That’s not nice.
October 17th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
87- at least I own my comments
October 17th, 2015 at 6:51 pm
Buc1987 Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 6:43 pm
Tiny Tim….wait wait wait. I just scrolled up more.
I NEVER hacked into your account. I simply went through the archives and searched the words Winston and bust. That’s where I found them. All I did was copy and paste.
Seriously dude I would never do such a thing. Peon??? Really? That’s not nice.
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And if you saw a post by Tiny tim only in the last two days where i am calling him a bust, then you should know my account was hacked or someone stole my screen name. You got to be smarter than that. All of the Mariota lovers have continued to spew their hatred for Winston since the draft ended. I was never a Winston hater until two days ago according to this site. You do not find that odd??? Get it fixed Joe!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:52 pm
I’m not looking up the crap before the draft. That will take awhile. YOU look it up. You’re the one that wants to clear your name. If it wasn’t you, then prove it and post it.
Dude if it wasn’t you, then I apologize. I know people can just type in the name Tiny Tim and fire away. It is that easy. I’ve seen people do it in the past with other names. That’s why we have a guy on here called “The original The Kevin”. He got his name hijacked awhile back. I’ve seen it done with a few others too, but it certainly wasn’t me doing it to you.
I swear on my kids life it wasn’t me. Again all I posted was from the archives.
October 17th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Look…as I recall you were one of the supporters awhile back. That’s why it took me by surprise when I read the posts. Something didn’t seem right about it, but it was there. So I just popped it on the screen, that’s all I did. This is on Joe’s site, not me.
October 17th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
Bucnut2 Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 6:49 pm
87- at least I own my comments
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I own “my” comments punk. Go back and pull up all my post about Winston before 2 days ago and then get at me pimp. Get it FIXED Joe!!!!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
We can’t have too many young guys on the o line. You got to have some veteran leadership. Dotson is a goos RT and he is young. hawley has also performed well at C. Sure we could upgrade each and every position, but the logic that we need to do it so that mankins can work his magic, is kinda stupid. I do credit the success of our o line his year to mankins helping lead these youngsters, but that doesn’t make him the rookie whisperer. Mankins will need to pass the torch to someone down the road. We need to keep veteran leadership on the line. Replacing mankins leadership with more youth isnt the way to go. We need veteran leaders. And maybe someone like marpet takes those reigns early in his career but there is no substitution for good ol’ experience.
October 17th, 2015 at 6:57 pm
TT- ok whatever you say. Im good, you love JW. got it
October 17th, 2015 at 7:03 pm
I would be pissed too if it wasn’t me. I suppose someone could pose as me if they wanted too, but everyone knows most of my stance anyways. Most peeps would see right through the imposter.
October 17th, 2015 at 7:13 pm
Tim and 87
Ummm…can u guys get a private forum for your drama…
Back to FBall…..
Agree with article. Probably best thing for franchise is to protect JW with more OL….. I am hoping he looks good again in DC like he did away versus NO…. He really needs to work on his presnap reads….. he is making too many decisions after the snap. Im not ready to give up on the DL yet….JSMith is holding his own and Id really like to see if Gholdston can transition to the edge…guys a beast inside but we have 2 solid DTs….
October 17th, 2015 at 7:18 pm
i had to add an R to my name. some guy named dan came in here and was posting horrible things…
October 17th, 2015 at 7:23 pm
What is this, the Winston gospel hour? If you get upset at someone else’s comment you can’t handle it? This beehive is not mind controlled.
October 17th, 2015 at 7:56 pm
This is not about me and 87. Its about joe and whoever is posting under my name. Ive been on this site for far too long. And no, i do not “love” winston. I jusr believe he is the qb this team needs. I said it before the college season was over and i said it up until two days ago when somebody stole my screen name. Get it FIX Joe!!!!
October 17th, 2015 at 8:23 pm
How creative
He post as bucNuts and doNuts
Thinks about nuts alot . . . .
October 17th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
Tackles
• Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
• Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
Swing Tackles
• Vadal Alexander – LG/T, LSU
• Spencer Drango –LG/T, Baylo
Center/Guards
• Max Tuerk, C, USC
• Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame
LT Donovan Smith | Kevin Pamphile
LG Vadal Alexander | Jeremiah Warren
C Max Tuerk | Joe Hawley
RG Ali Marpet | Reid Fragel
RT Demar Dotson | Gosder Cherilus
October 17th, 2015 at 8:52 pm
If Max Tuerk falls to the late 2nd, because of his torn knee ligament (and he’s cleared by the medical staff) – He would be a steal.
October 17th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
My nanoprobe injection from Joe Borg Fan must have been defective.
tickrdr
October 17th, 2015 at 10:54 pm
Round 1: DE
Round 2: CB/Guard depending on value
October 17th, 2015 at 10:56 pm
In Tiny Tim’s defense…
…I just looked up a ton of his posts in April and all of them that addressed quarterback showed his support of Winston.
It was actually nearly as bad as Joe’s support…to the point of obsession.
October 17th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
The curious thing is that 1987 was right there with him, telling Tiny Tim to ignore the Winston haters…and yet he doesn’t seem to recall it.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/04/jameis-winston-should-be-himself/#comment-3553741
October 17th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
“The curious thing is that 1987 was right there with him, telling Tiny Tim to ignore the Winston haters…and yet he doesn’t seem to recall it.”
Buc1987 Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 6:55 pm
“Look…as I recall you were one of the supporters awhile back. That’s why it took me by surprise when I read the posts.”
Bonzai…so what were you saying about me not recalling it? I think I already addressed that with my above post. No need to start anymore trouble with the matter. That fact is you and I can sign in under his name if we want to. It could have been anybody. It certainly wasn’t me though. I don’t swear on my kids lives very often, and I did that already. I saw his posts yesterday and thought he just changed his mind about Jameis. Believe it or not there are fans out there that wanted Jameis on this team, but have already changed their minds about him. Check Joes Message Boards we have a dude in their called JabooWins and he has already lost faith in Jameis. So that’s the way I took it when I saw Tiny Tim (imposter one) posting negative crap about him.
The real question is. Who did the original Tiny Tim piss off to make someone hijack his name?
@The real Tiny Tim…perhaps you might want to make a name change without using the words Tim or Tiny. Seems to me that’s the best solution. I really am sorry about this buddy. Someone hijacked your good name and I went and smeared it, making it worse.
October 17th, 2015 at 11:27 pm
You know…I think I know who is using Tiny Tim’s username. I went back to the first anti-Winston comment he made a couple days ago, and immediately following it was a certain person whose response sounded like they did it as a joke.
I won’t say the name…even though it is rather ironic given the things said here.
HERE IS A QUOTE FOR YOU:
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
October 25th, 2015 at 5:25 pm
See? I told you the Bucs would beat the Redskins. You people give up way to easy!
(pulled from the Bucs vs Redskins Open Thread in just over 7 days)
October 17th, 2015 at 10:59 pm
October 17th, 2015 at 11:30 pm
I’m late to the party, 87.
October 17th, 2015 at 11:41 pm
DB55 Says:
October 17th, 2015 at 4:36 pm
“Plus we need more Noles on the team for Jameis to hang with. 🙂
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draft #4 while you’re at it”
Dalvin’s not eligible until after next season DB55.
@Bonzai…great job Magnum P.I. now tell us who it was. lol
October 18th, 2015 at 2:09 am
I felt like that two weeks ago but now im looking at the defense and the secondary and they haven’t retooled on that side of the ball thru the draft in years. I think its time to gamble in this years draft and trade for another first rounder and draft two corners from the state of Florida with Jalen Ramsey and Vernon Hargreaves. Its time for lovie to do what the rest of Bucs brass has done in the past and obtain two first round picks thru trade to make it happen too. Give up the house if we need to.
Offensive line is ok in my book for another year. We should let Dotson and Cherilus start asour tackles and wealso have Fragel. Pamphile is moving to guard eventually and i think D.Smith willmove to guard as well. That leaves none other than Marpet to start at center which he played in college and his intensity matches that position. We should not draft at this position at all but instead look for all defense in this next draft starting at defensive backs and then a kicker in Aguayo in the draft too.
October 18th, 2015 at 7:23 am
I like the way you’re thinking Joe….and Im all in!
Draft Taylor Decker and move Mr. D. Smith to the right as RT or RG. Marpet as our Center and eventually he can replace Mankins as our LG.
Its all according to our record though….we need a high draft pick for Taylor. But Im not rooting for us to lose in order to win a high selection.
October 18th, 2015 at 7:28 am
@Jason, Marpet played LT in college….some snaps at Center in the senior bowl….just letting you know.
October 18th, 2015 at 8:31 am
I agree with the best player available approach in the first round. You can’t afford to waste a pick on a developmental guy. Especially considering the best player available in the second round is Roberto Aguayo who will kick for 20 years @ 90% accuracy with the NFL record of 65+ at some point.
October 18th, 2015 at 10:22 am
All picks are developmental guys.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:08 am
Gotta say, I’ve had my screen name for over 15 years on various sites. Only when I come here do I see so many variations of my screen name. It’s one of the reasons I post so rarely. I do not want to be lumped in with some of these other posters, but it just doesn’t matter so much in the grand scheme of things, though. It IS only a football team forum, for goodness sake.
October 18th, 2015 at 11:40 am
We have 2 decent centers, a great rookie at RG, a good rookie at LT, one of the best RTs in the game in Dotson, plus Pamphile and Gosder in addition to Mankins.
The o-line is not only deep and talented, it is also playing really really well. I know we have been terrible at the position for a very long time, but now is not the time to start using first rounders on interior lineman.
We better go all D.
October 18th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
Wtf? RT? What’s wrong with Dotson? Isn’t he like 29. He’s got a couple good years left plus gc is looking like nice depth. How about rg? We got an old guy in mankins and unproven guy who’s had 1 good game in his career. Center is traditionally a mid rd pick. We def need a de and a top notch safety.
October 18th, 2015 at 2:50 pm
CB
DE
OG
OT
WR
Siege this!
Go Sucs!
October 19th, 2015 at 12:05 am
Cb
C
TE
G
Slot WR punt returner
Cb
Punter
Something like that anyways.
Good enough Cb too force QBs too throw towards Jonathan banks , I like joe Hawley as long term starter right now but i just want someone younger with a better background too fill the shoes Hawley as backup , a 2nd all around skilled TE is huge for this offense and would help the team score more points. Another G would be nice in the mid too late rounds . Hopefully we find a gem and can release Logan mankins from the team . He just don’t do it for us Buccaneer fans . Too slow and too many penalties . He’s a legend at G though. Just not in TB . Another cb too play the slot and dime packages would be awesome. Another WR too play the slot and return kicks would be sweet . Jackson may not get another contract in TB . Last but not least a punter too replace the newly signed punter in TB . He’s avg at best and don’t do many things very well. His leg is weak.