Steve Mariucci Talks To Joe

January 30th, 2015

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Man, yesterday was a zoo at radio row at the Super Bowl. And Joe learned something: Handlers of every two-bit celebrity (not to mention the real celebrities) DO NOT like reporters.

These suits have no use for reporters. The hired guns treated Joe and others like mosquitoes, swatting at them and shoveling their clients from radio table to radio table. A reporter wanting questions just screws up everything for them.

Yesterday, Joe hounded the suit that was leading NFL Network analyst and former playoff coach Steve Mariucci around like he had him on a leash.

Every time Joe asked to talk to Mariucci — who sure seemed to want to talk to Joe more than the radio guys — the suit shot Joe down saying, “We have to go [pick a station].” Finally, Joe just told the guy he would walk along with Mariucci and ask questions.

(Remember, Mariucci was the first target of Team Glazer after Richie McKay tried to shove Marvin Lewis on the Bucs. Mariucci spurned Team Glazer’s advances and Team Glazer then went after Chucky.)

Sadly, the discussion didn’t get much past Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota.

JoeBucsFan: What are the pros of Marcus Mariotta?

Steve Mariucci: Pros? Size. He’s a great kid. He is a worker. He is everything you want off the field. He can be the face-of-an-organization kind of guy. You love him. Cons? You know, we say this to all of these spread-offense guys. He is in a system that is a little bit different than pro offense systems. He’s not under the center. He doesn’t turn his back on play-action passes. He has to learn all of that and learn to play the pro style way, unless he somehow goes to Chip Kelly.

While this is all interesting to Joe, what sticks out from Mariucci’s response is that all of Mariota’s best traits have nothing to do with throwing a football.

That scares Joe.

57 Responses to “Steve Mariucci Talks To Joe”

  1. biff barker Says:

    Skip the QB debate for a moment, but I’m curious to know why we would NOT want to run Kelly’s offense here.

    It works at the NFL level and would be formidable if Kelly had his ideal QB.

  2. Bucs Anthem Says:

    Who Cares

    I don’t anymore

  3. Nybucsfan Says:

    His cons said nothing about rape

  4. biff barker Says:

    Nybucsfan Says..

    His cons said nothing about rape
    Pssst it’s called… “character issues”.

  5. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    I’m 67 and remember the pervasive racism that kept black qb’s from getting their chance. People used to say they were not “smart” enough. Obviously that has now been exposed as absurd.

    Alas race has been injected frequently into the Marcus/Jameis debate even though neither is white.

    And so I wish to choose my words carefully. Marcus is clearly far more intelligent than Jameis. Spare me the Jameis GPA’s etc. Unfortunately when people speak, in poker language it’s a quick tell on their education and their intellect. I’m sorry Jameis lovers but he just comes across as a cement head. His REPEATED knuckleheaded actions off the field could be written off as immaturity or the sense of entitlement that goes with being “FAMOUS” Jameis.
    But when you hear him speak it’s clear he’s not the brightest bulb in the chandelier. Mariota is the polar opposite.

    Having said that it’s also true that plenty of “cement head” QB’s have gone on to great success. And just to be clear this is not code for race I shall compare Jameis to some other dullards. His game certainly matches up with Ben Roethlisberger. Alas we have to worry that his off field activities might as well.
    But Dan Marino and Terry Bradshaw are certainly not rocket scientists and neither will ever be accused of being “cerebral” QB’s like Russell Wilson.
    Notice I selected three dumb white guys and compared them to a very smart black QB. This is NOT about race but about smarts.

    One of my heroes growing up was Coach Paul Brown. He was the first NFL coach to check out IQ scores. Now of course they use the Wunderlich as SOP.
    He believed, as do I, that all things being equal or even close, the smart athlete always beats the dumber one. Again look at the SB starting QB’s. They have some similarities. They both were selected in the 3rd or lower rounds of the draft. And they are BOTH considered very cerebral QB’s. I like smart QB’s.

    And so Joe and the Jameis lovers here have succeeded in scaring me about Marcus ability. I have my own concerns about Jameis physical abilities as well, most notably his baseball pitcher windup and slow release…he can sling it a mile, perhaps farther than anybody in the league right now, but he does sling it.
    His judgment also worries me. Because of his stupendous athletic skills he has ALWAYS been able to simply overpower his competition. That came to an end this year at the college level. He forced so many passes in his belief that his superior talent would make up for a bad decision that he tossed all those INT’s.
    Do we think that will improve in the NFL? And please spare me the comparisons to Brett Favre and I’ll spare you the Marcus comparisons to Aaron Rodgers. NEITHER of these two COLLEGE players deserves to be compared to two all time greats.

    And so given all the questions I no longer feel comfortable selecting either of these guys with the #1 pick. I’d like to trade down and get either Andrus Peat or Scherff. Let’s find our next Paul Gruber so we have a decade of excellence at a critical position instead of taking a wild flyer on one of the two QB’s who are simply not slam dunks worthy of the #1 pick in the entire draft!

  6. jb Says:

    “While this is all interesting to Joe, what sticks out from Mariucci’s response is that all of Mariota’s best traits have nothing to do with throwing a football.”

    EXACTLY!!! We’re supposed to pick him as our head of Public Relations or Quarterback? Who the **** cares what a nice guy he is? I want to win football games!! We pick this guy, it’ll set us back another 5 to 10 years! You don’t get the #1 pick very often, and to waste it like like that is totally unacceptable!

  7. phreakybucfan Says:

    I find the discussion about the pros and con’s of each quarterback to be very enterta….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  8. R.O. Says:

    Wonderlic measures much more than Intelligence. It’s not an IQ test. Tired of people saying he raped her. Prove it.. Read all the statements from that night. Prove it. Now because she was interviewed for a documentary and most likely will be comp’d for her story we are supposed to believe only her account of events.

  9. Luther Says:

    @Stpetebucsfan you obviously know it all yourself and have not heard what Dilfer says about the guy. Dilfer himself was a pretty smart guy and how did that work out. He’s a Superbowl QB but he certainly is no Dan Marino who was not a Mensa member by any stretch of the imagination.

  10. Eric Says:

    The not being under center stuff seems week.

    Surely the man can take a snap and take a drop into the pocket. He’s a great athlete.

    But the NFL arm thing is what worries me. You have to drop it in such small windows deep down the field in the pros.

    The guy got a heck of a lot of yardage by throwing very short passes.

    One thing Jameis can damn sure do is throw the rock down the field.

    Nobody can take that away from him.

  11. Dave Pear Says:

    QB’s Wonderlic scores, a small sampling:
    50 is a perfect score-
    Ryan Fitzpatrick- 48
    Eli Manning- 39
    Andrew Luck- 37
    Aaron Rodgers- 35
    Tom Brady- 33
    Russell Wilson- 28
    Peyton Manning- 28
    Josh Freeman- 27
    Mike Glennon- 26
    Ben Roethlisberger- 25
    Tim Tebow- 22
    Trent Dilfer- 22
    Cam Newton- 21
    Dan Marino- 15
    Jim Kelly- 15
    Phil Simms- 10
    Vince Young- 6

    Take these scores and see if they correlate to success on the football field.
    I’m not sure you can.

  12. MadMax Says:

    I just wish all of the media in front of marshawn lynch’s table would somehow come together in agreement that when he comes out to spew his vile diatribe, they will just turn their backs and say nothing to that turd!

  13. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ St. Pete

    You really can’t determine a person’s intelligence by the way they talk…..their diction/etc is formulated by their environment…..they could very well have 160 IQs and talk like a derelict.

    Now….as far as Mariucci’s comment about “face of the francise”….it would be a given that if you can be the face of the francise…you can also play pretty good football.

    I err on the side that Winston isn’t a rapist….and Mariota isn’t an idiot that can’t learn an “NFL” offense….

  14. Tom Edrington Says:

    The more I hear about Jameis vs. Marcus, the more swayed I am to take the absolute stud lineman……

    Not sure either guy is “the guy”

    Anyone out there thinkin’ Mr. Defense, Lovie Smith, just might be swayed that way?

  15. Luther Says:

    Marino, Kelly and Simms tells you all you need to know about the Wonderlic as it relates to football. I just don’t want the guy who scores a 6. I’ve taken the Wonderlic and scored a 35 but when I was younger, I talked like Winston.

  16. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Thanks for those stats. I think I said…Having said that it’s also true that plenty of “cement head” QB’s have gone on to great success.

    I suspect we are in agreement that it’s not a total prerequisite but that intelligence is certainly an advantage.

    @TBBF Agree completely that poor kids from the “hood” have a huge disadvantage when it comes to public speaking. But Richard Sherman is perhaps the most articulate player in the league today, who repeatedly offers great insight into the league and life. How did he get past the hood? I posit that it’s because while he had the misfortune of being born in the hood he had the great fortune of winning at least part of the ovarian lottery and came away with some serious smarts. I’m not referring to Ebonics or even accents. There has been plenty of research that shows a Southern drawl is also looked down on and can unfairly characterize someone as slow or dimwitted.

    It’s about formulation of thought, use of syntax, and critical thinking skills. Again the extreme example of this is Richard Sherman. He has mastered all three despite coming from an underprivileged background. I suspect Sherman had far, far more challenges in life than Winston.

  17. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    I do not support the Wunderlic or IQ tests in general. The SAT was a joke.

    A one day, one time, pressure filled test is no real indicator of anything other than perhaps at the extreme ends…high 40’s or low single digits.

    I went to Univ of Cinti a few years after they won two consecutive national basketball titles. It was an urban legend on campus that one of the stars who surely would have had trouble on a Wunderlic or any test for that matter, aced a PE course on swimming. The poor kid had hydrophobia…literally afraid of the water yet he got an A in swimming. GPA’s of athletes are just as undependable as Wunderlic scores. This is why the interview process has become critical.

  18. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Anyone who has watched a few Oregon games knows that Mariota is a wonderful QB with a strong arm, quick delivery, good anticipation and accuracy, and off the chart scrambling abilities. There’s no question about his physical abilities! The question is, can he move from the spread system he’s been used to playing in, and make the transition to a pro-style offense. From everything I’ve read and heard, MM is a very intelligent young guy and should be able to learn a new system, just like he learned the spread system he was asked to run in college. In fact, I would not be surprised if he is already working with trainers on taking the snap under center and dropping back.

  19. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:


    Trent Dilfer at the Elite 11 camp when Jameis was in High School :

    But back to that game-changing first night. Winston sat on his bed, exhausted, and studied the playbook. When Trent Dilfer, the former Super Bowl-winning quarterback who serves as head coach to Elite 11 participants, made a second round of bed checks, he found Winston engulfed in the pages.

    Dilfer made a note of the time: 1:12 a.m.

    “He manned up,” Dilfer said. “The next day, his eyes were bleeding he was so tired. But he was killing it. He didn’t have to say anything, but his actions told me, ‘Let me show you I’m not just a gifted athlete. I’m a surgeon.’

    “I think the kid’s the real deal. I didn’t know ratings going into this. I could care less about the perception. To me, they were all high school quarterbacks. I don’t care how famous they are. He’s earned my respect. If I’m a college coach, I want that guy.”

    Winston gets it at age 17.

    “He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis. He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it. But he’s got a real presence to him. I’ve been real proud of him.”

  20. Skyline Crew Says:


    Did you ask him about Mariota throwing?

  21. Skyline Crew Says:


    Finally, a person with reasoning. Actually, Mariota was taking snaps from under center in the off season and after practices. So there won’t be a problem with taking snaps from under center.

  22. Skyline Crew Says:

    Stpetebucsfan Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 10:39 am


    I do not support the Wunderlic or IQ tests in general. The SAT was a joke.
    Preach it. Wunderlic means nothing these days. Some of the worst scores have been by players that excelled in the game. Like wise some of the best scores have been by people that have sucked at the game.

  23. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    @ jeagan1999

    Most of these posters are evaluating Mariota on the basis of two games……a huge mistake…..he playing without several of his weapons….
    Thank goodness the Bucs evaluation will include significant study on both QBs entire body of work.
    There are some who claim Mariota is soft…I guess because of that shoulder hit he took late in the OSU game…..He ran for over 2200 yards in his 3year college career….so I suspect he was hit quite a few times….and to my knowledge….he didn’t miss a game.

  24. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Do you understand the term “conflict of interest”. Of course Dilfer is going to tout a kid who attended one of HIS camps, or a camp where he taught and can take credit.

    That doesn’t negate Dilfer’s opinion but it does cast some questions about it.

    If you ask Mark Helfrich about Marcus do you suppose he might rave about HIS player. Or ask one of Mariota’s high school coaches…think you’d get an objective opinion?

    Meanwhile lost in your point is the fact that Dilfer also said..He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it

    That’s akin to he tossed all those first half interceptions but look at his amazing comebacks in the second half.

    Why dig the hole in the first place. Jameis seems to need the challenge. Digging a hole in the NFL is a LOT harder to climb out of. Just saying.

    Again I know you have a real man crush on Jameis. If we draft him I’ll be on board and support that choice. Sadly if we don’t I might be upset simply because I don’t want you to be crushed! 🙂

  25. Skyline Crew Says:

    “On this play against UCLA, Mariota lines up in the pocket on Third-and-7. The defense has three players on the defensive line, with pass-rushing specialist Anthony Barr lined up wide of the offense’s left tackle. When Mariota gets the ball from his center, he drops backwards into the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. At the same time, Barr explodes off the edge and gets past the outside shoulder of Oregon’s left tackle. The left tackle has completely given up on his technique as he tries to recover positioning with his feet facing his own end zone. Without dropping his eyes to the pass rush, Mariota steps up in the pocket so that his left tackle is now in a better position to block Barr. Mariota could continue into the red area and attempt to scramble for the first down, but there are three linebackers in line with the first down marker who would be in position to stop him. Instead he settles in the pocket. Barr immediately begins to push the left tackle backwards into the pocket where Mariota is standing. The left tackle is unable to withstand Barr’s power, so Mariota again neutralizes his rush with his movement in the pocket. Mariota steps backwards and resets his feet to throw the ball down the field. Not once did Mariota take his eyes away from the coverage, but he felt Barr’s presence or saw him in his peripheral vision to avoid him. His agility, balance and awareness couldn’t have been better, but he still had to complete the throw down the field. Mariota has to flight the football over multiple defenders and drop it in a spot where his receiver is waiting for the ball as another defender attacks it from behind. On this throw, he needed to show pinpoint accuracy, control of trajectory and arm strength. He couldn’t have made a more impressive play on a difficult third down. Even while playing in Oregon’s offense, Mariota was still asked to regularly manipulate the pocket while reading the defense. Unlike Jameis Winston, the very talented FSU prospect who will likely compete with Mariota to be the first quarterback taken in 2015, Mariota doesn’t need to overhaul his mechanics.” -Rotoworld

  26. Skyline Crew Says:

    “Being brave enough to locate the receiver is one thing, actually having the talent to make an accurate throw against the momentum of your body weight is another. Mariota perfectly places a very difficult throw to the opposite hashmark roughly 25 yards down the field. It shouldn’t be overlooked that Mariota is a very effective pocket passer, but he is at his most dangerous when he extends plays behind the line of scrimmage to throw rather than scramble. Because of that, his game is most reminiscent of Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger is much bigger and he doesn’t have anywhere near the speed or agility of Mariota, but their overall approaches align relatively well. Having the ability to beat the defense within the structure of the offense from the pocket and the ability to create on extended plays outside of the pocket is very valuable. It means the defense is always being stretched and asked to cover for longer, while the pass rush has a tougher time disrupting the play. One thing many professional quarterbacks struggle with is throwing downfield while moving to the left (right if the quarterback is left handed). Roethlisberger and Russell Wilson of the Seattle Seahawks both excel at throwing the ball down the field when moving left. Roethlisberger relies more on his arm strength than Wilson or Mariota, because Mariota and Wilson are quicker to set their feet beneath them and throw the ball with their shoulders aligned to their intended target.” –Rotoworld

  27. Skyline Crew Says:

    Peter King of believes the Bucs should waste no time and quickly turn in their card with Marcus Mariota’s name on it.

    “The Bucs will have a delegation, led by GM Jason Licht, at the Rose Bowl Thursday to see Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota duel Florida State’s Jameis Winston. I recently asked five GM/personnel types in the NFL about the two players, and it came out the way I thought: 5-0 in favor of Mariota, because of on-field and off-field things, including the fact that Winston, in the words of one team official who is in the market for a quarterback high in the draft, got careless on the field this year and played some undisciplined football. We won’t really know about how high Winston goes, though, until teams do their post-season homework on him.”

  28. gulfcoast Says:

    …..broken record. Echo, echo…. Mariota = No.

  29. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    “Meanwhile lost in your point is the fact that Dilfer also said..He came in a little unprepared, and he admitted it.”

    SPBF…If you read the whole article it says why he was unprepared. He was playing baseball at the time.

    This kid has been raved about through his entire life since he picked up a football. From pee wee to middle school to very near every college in the country wanting him. This is just another chapter. I don’t expect much to change this time around.

  30. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Bucky Brooks scouting Jameis Winston


    At 6-foot-4, 230 pounds, Winston is a nimble athlete with adequate movement skills and agility. Although he is not a dynamic runner on the perimeter, Winston displays enough mobility to execute movement-based passes (bootlegs) and a few select quarterback designed runs to keep defenses honest. Against Florida, he flashed some elusiveness fleeing the pocket under duress, and his ability to buy time with his feet allowed his receivers to work away from coverage down the field.

    Arm Talent

    Winston is a natural passer with outstanding arm talent. The ball jumps off his hand at the release; he is capable of making all of the requisite pro throws with plenty of zip and velocity. Watching him work through the passing tree during warmups, Winston’s tight spirals whizzed through the air and frequently hit the receiver within the strike zone.

    Pocket Poise

    Winston has shown courage and poise within the pocket throughout his career at Florida State; he continues to do so in his second season as a full-time starter. He stands tall in the pocket under duress and repeatedly delivers throws with rushers in close proximity.

    Clutch Factor

    Few evaluators will question Winston’s clutch factor after watching him repeatedly bring the Seminoles back from significant deficits, but scouts are always intrigued by how a blue-chip prospect responds to adversity.

    Watching Winston endure a four-interception performance, I walked away impressed by his unflappable confidence despite his scattershot play. He didn’t hang his head when he walked back to the sideline after his miscues, and he continued to be engaged with his teammates at his lowest moments.


    Whenever scouts evaluate blue-chip prospects, they attempt to find a “good” and “bad” tape to watch to see a player at his highest and lowest points of his final season. The exercise is done to get a real sense of a player’s strengths and weaknesses to determine their ultimate potential as pros. Watching Winston’s season-long struggles with turnovers and mechanics, I believe he is a talented but flawed prospect who will need time to develop at the next level.

  31. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    SPBF…you were wondering about the interview process???

    Well wonder no more.

    “He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis.

  32. Eric Says:

    For all the Jameis is stupid folks, I am thinking he will score just as high as Marcus on the Wonderlic.

    We shall see.

    How did Phil Sims score so low?

  33. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Oh and he ain’t no dummy either.

    Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston added another post-season honor when he was named to the ACC’s All-Academic team, along with safety Nate Andrews.

    To make the team, athletes must have a 3.0 grade point average for the previous semester and have maintained that on a cumulative basis. Winston, who was offered a scholarship at Stanford when he was being recruited, won the Heisman Trophy and led the Seminoles to the BCS national championship.

  34. Luther Says:

    @87 being unprepared is all that matters to these guys. Playing baseball as the reason is just background noise.

    Taking snaps under center after practice and in the offseason doesn’t mean a hill of beans until you have guys trying to break your hip. I wanted to see him do it in a game. It’s the main reason why I hate the spread thats now infected the college game. I absolutely hate seeing a QB look to the sideline for plays on every single play because they can’t audible protections and other reads.

  35. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Luther…before bickering and whining THEY would do themselves some good if they just googled his name and looked around to find some good points that are being said about this kid at all different levels in his life.

    There are bad points too, but the good far outweighs the bad ones and it’s not even close.

  36. armchairGM Says:

    I think you are reading it wrong Joe, to me I think if you flip it he is taking a swipe at the thought that Winston has baggage you will have to deal with and to him maybe that is more of a scary thing. Why did you not get more specific with him and ask him about football cons?

  37. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ St. Pete
    Very well said and 100% correct.

    @ 87
    It’s still morning. Do you still have your Jameis (The Hunting Ground) Winston jammies on? You know, the ones with the stripes?

    @ Eric The Racist
    Yep, Winston can sling it alright, right to the DB’s

  38. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    “He’s got this infectious personality,” Dilfer said. “A lot of people use the term leadership, but I like guys who are comfortable in their own skin. That’s Jameis.

  39. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ Skyline
    A very well thought out and intellegent posting
    If you throw actual facts and real NFL experts opinions at all of the JaMarcus Winston supporters it only confuses them, sends them and sends them into denial.

  40. Mr. Patrick Says:

    @ St. Pete
    You also have to remember that the NFL “dumbed down” the Wonderlic 2 years ago as the NFLPA found it to be unfair and too difficult for a large ammount of players who consistantly scored in the single digits. Now a 12 year old could ace it

  41. Skyline Crew Says:

    Eric Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 11:19 am

    For all the Jameis is stupid folks, I am thinking he will score just as high as Marcus on the Wonderlic.

    We shall see.

    How did Phil Sims score so low?
    Wonderlic means nothing. I’m not saying Jameis is stupid. I’m saying Wonderlic means nothing when it comes to football.

  42. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    This from the same article I posted about Dilfer.

    “I was lazy,” Winston said. “I didn’t prepare. I had the playbook for two weeks.”

    The nation’s No. 2-rated QB and 15th-best prospect overall out of Hueytown, Ala., Winston had an excuse: He’s been playing baseball all summer. A premier two-sport athlete, he wants to play both in college and rates as an elite prospect for the professional baseball draft next June.

    “If I’m going to find a way to balance it in college,” Winston said, “I’ve got to get it done in a situation like this.”

  43. 87ForJameisNoMariota Says:

    Playing baseball and football while still maintaining a 3.0 or higher is not too shabby.

    He also goes onto say that he likes baseball, but football is his real passion.

  44. Skyline Crew Says:

    Wilson and Kaepernick did that as well.

  45. Celly Says:

    Stpetebucsfan Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 10:35 am

    But Richard Sherman is perhaps the most articulate player in the league today, who repeatedly offers great insight into the league and life.

    I see the point you you’re trying to make, but this is a bad example.

    Sherman was a communication major in college, so its very likely that his oratory skills came from the multiple classes he took at Stanford.

  46. OB Says:

    There are two kinds of smarts, just smarts and smarts under fire. When I ran air traffic control systems, I received a graduate trainee that, at that time was the only one ever to have scored !00% on the written tests to get their FAA ATC card but they have to be train in controlling planes. This kid could not keep two wheelbarrows apart because he could not think fast enough to apply what he knew, so he never became a controller.

    I don’t know who is smarter under fire between Winston and Mariota, but the Buc’s GM and coaches that are paid millions should and we can only hope that they pick the one that is best under fire.

    From what I have seen it is Mariota and give him our receivers and backs with an offensive line and some training, watch out world.

  47. Chris Says:

    That offense scheme has mariota all over it

  48. carlstoe Says:

    Mariota ran a pro style in high school. Helfrich has said it was his throwing that made him scout him in Hawaii!

  49. McBuc Says:

    It’s amazing how some people’s comments are longer than the article they are commenting on…

  50. McBuc Says:

    OB, I think you are mistaken. Under fire in the championship game Mariota did not win… Winston however was under pressure most of the year. And had many come back victories. I’m not saying one over the other, but to say Mariota is better under fire is just not correct. Ohio State show the world how to beat that offense by pressuring the quarterback. Of course Nebraska showed that Wayback win against the gators… Not sure why everyone forgot that

  51. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    “I see the point you you’re trying to make, but this is a bad example.

    Sherman was a communication major in college, so its very likely that his oratory skills came from the multiple classes he took at Stanford.”

    I and see your point as well. I was a broadcasting major myself. I’ve been around some very articulate guys. But Sherman is more than simply articulate.
    He has critical thinking skills. It’s truly hard to teach that. And I confess when he had his screaming tirade originally I was turned off and wanted to dismiss.

    I’m not a real racist so I never went the “thug” route but I did consider him a loudmouthed braggart. After seeing Sherman interviewed by a number of people including some serious journalists asking probing serious questions I now realize my big mistake.

    I think Richard was just under the influence of a drug, a legal and natural drug called adrenaline. The more I thought about what it takes to overcome your bodies natural aversion to throwing your body into situations that could destroy it the more I realized Richard was just on an incredible adrenaline high.

    Because I love cerebral athletes Richard Sherman has become my favorite player. I’m a bit old school and do not care for smack that much, but Richard is clearly a wonderfully intelligent guy who is out there getting crazy and having some real fun!

  52. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Typo body’s not bodies. LOL

  53. loggedontosay Says:

    Stpetebucsfan Says:
    January 30th, 2015 at 9:42 am
    I’m 67 and remember the pervasive racism that kept black qb’s from getting their chance. People used to say they were not “smart” enough. Obviously that has now been exposed as absurd.

    It appears that you were born an idiot and you will die an idiot. What a Shame!

  54. lurker Says:

    spbf wtf?

    you cannot judge intellect based upon enunciation…smh

  55. bk Says:

    It sounds like a cold dish of reality was served to the 20000 page view reporter. It doesnt sound likeu asked about throwing so you didnt get that response.

    Welcome to the big leagues rook.

  56. BoJim Says:


    So you’re saying that people from Alabama are stupid? Or just the black ones? You’re forgiven. I’ve heard that as a small child you, were kicked in the head by a butterfly. Ya Nob.

  57. FortMyersDave Says:

    A lot of people think Winston is a total idiot simply because he has had a few scrapes with the law. Think back to when we posters were in college; a lot of us who had high GPAs and good SAT scores did stupid things on Friday and Saturday night followed by late night grub at the Fowler Steak and Shake, Krystal or Waffle House. The kid is not an idiot, he is just a kid and he is gonna make mistakes. To be a good NFL qb you do not have to be a saint, look at the Mannings and Big Ben for example. Peyton was not exactly a choir boy at the Big Orange but probably because of his last name the media kind of left him alone and squished all those rumors about him when he was the Vols star qb… That being said, Winston could turn into a total thug or he could become the best qb in to entoer the NFL since Andy Luck; that is really up to him, not us. If he plays his cards right and stays out of trouble for the next few months I am guessing that the Bucs or Titans will take a chance on the boy….