Yesterday, Today And Tomorrow

November 10th, 2014

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A long look at the Bucs yesterday, today, and what to expect tomorrow and beyond.

Joe doesn’t know where to start. Is it the “Den of Depression,” where the Bucs are 14-31 since Chucky was jettisoned?

Is it the five leads in the fourth quarter gagged away this season?

Is it that Josh McCown was brought to tears because this team is so awful?

Is it that the Bucs under Lovie Smith are, per Gerald McCoy, the most undisciplined outfit on which he has played?

Interesting to Joe that there are two first-year head coaches in the NFL whose teams are poised not just for a playoff run, but serious playoff contention. Funny these coaches aren’t bellyaching how it takes so long to learn their systems.

Yet in Tampa Bay, that is the theme of the season. Oh, it will take time, so if the first season is a disaster, it means the players are still learning.

How much of a learning curve did Mark Barron need to impact as he did for the Lambs yesterday? Or is it that Jeff Fisher, a defensive guy himself, knew how to use Barron and didn’t try to force-feed his system onto a guy who may not have the requisite talents for said system? You know, round hole in a square peg?

No matter how to look at this team, no matter what prism you use, it comes up the same. Whether it was player evaluation in free agency or of those already here, or just putting a winning team on the field, Lovie has flat out done a terrible job this year. An “F” grade if there ever was one.

Joe has to go back to Richard Williamson to find an equally bad job.

Use Your Heads!

The penalties were amazing but none more so than Austin Seferian-Jenkins’ using the football as a prop. How could he be so dumb, which helped set up the Dixie Chicks’ winning touchdown drive?

Surely ASJ – who Joe likes a lot – has to know that was a penalty. If he was so overcome by emotion that common sense vanished, then that tells Joe his head isn’t in the game. That goes right back to Lovie. It is called “teaching.”

What Happened To The Run Game?

It sure seemed like Lovie was bound and determined to show the world why he drafted Charles Sims in the third round. You know, as if Lovie himself was saying, “Ha, ha. Look what I found.” The running back from West Virginia had more carries than Bobby Rainey and looked very mediocre.

Why not stick with something that has been worked the past two weeks and feed Rainey the ball? A simple but perhaps inaccurate answer is that Lovie never signed Rainey. He did draft Sims.

No Pass Rush

Joe is tired of typing this and he won’t the rest of the year. The Bucs cannot use a pass rush on a weak offensive line because they do not have a pass rush of any sort.

For the third week in a row, the Bucs had a chance to take advantage of a beat up offensive line, and never could. So Joe is going to quit whining about no pass rush. That’s like whining about the hot model girlfriend you never had. It’s stupid.

What Can The Bucs Do Right?

When Lovie sits with Team Glazer, hopefully to review job performance, if Team Glazer asks Lovie the following question, he honestly wouldn’t be able to answer:

How has the team improved since 2013? Joe cannot think of one damned thing.

NFL Thoughts

Crows: Justin Forsett ran for 112 yards and two touchdowns and the Crows defense harassed Titans rookie Zach Mettenberger all day long.

Chiefs: Wild game for the pride of Kansas City. The Chiefs scored twice in the final 4:36 of the game to rally for a road win over the Bills. Then in the final seconds, the Chiefs had a red-zone stand to win the game.

Lions: The Lions are for real. Matt Stafford’s pass to Theo Reddick in the final seconds sealed the win. Don’t hear first-year coach Jim Caldwell whining how it takes time for his players to learn his system.

Cowboys: Why should it surprise anyone the Cowboys beat the Jags? Tony Romo stayed away from the blondes long enough to toss three touchdown passes.

49ers: Joe is going to have to watch this game on rewind. Game that was nearly won on a Hail Mary went to overtime and was almost lost. Really exciting game.

Jets: Michael Vick outdueled Ben Roethlisberger to lead the formerly hapless Jets to an impressive win. Big Ben, who had 12 touchdowns in his last two games, had but one touchdown pass yesterday but two picks.

Broncos: Payton Manning beats a winless team. Yawn.

Cardinals: Could be a very costly win for the NFL-best Cardinals, losing starting quarterback Carson Palmer for the season with a knee injury, caused by a Mark Barron sack. Yeah, that Mark Barron.

Seahawks: Marshawn Lynch throttled the Giants with four touchdowns and a career-best 140 yards.

Packers: The Packers totally wiped the Bears off the map last night. Aaron Rodgers had six touchdown passes in the first half. The Bears are in complete and utter disarray. They became only the second NFL team – and first since 1923 – two give up 50-plus points in consecutive games.

Browns: What a game they had against the Bungles and now there is real, legitimate talk of playoffs in Cleveland. Remember what that was like Bucs fans? Hey, who said it is a bad thing to fire a coach after one year like the Browns did? And for those who say who would replace Lovie Smith if Team Glazer saw fit to make a move, hey, for all you know, Mike Pettine delivered your mail. Just food for thought. Don’t see first-year coach Pettine whining about how it takes time to learn his defense.

Non-NFL Thoughts

1. You want to know why Joe hates kickers? Just go back to the final moments of the Alabama-LSU game. LSU kicker kicks the ball out of bounds and it is a penalty giving Bama the ball at the 40. May not have mattered but it was significant. All the dude had to do was keep the ball in bounds. Part-time players should not make big-time mistakes.

2. Joe read early this season that the SEC West would cannibalize itself. Sure looks like that is what is happening.

3. There is a chance that no SEC West team will make the four-team playoff. Joe doesn’t expect that to happen but can see how it could.

4. No, Ohio State has no business in the playoff. Sure, it was impressive how they boat-raced a decent Michigan State team, but losing to Virginia Tech and going to overtime with Penn State should keep you out of any playoff talk. Enjoy the Orange Bowl.

5. Florida State just doesn’t look impressive. Last year they just destroyed teams. This year it seems they play down to their opponents. That rush defense of theirs scares Joe. Wouldn’t be a shocker if Miami beat them by pounding the ball between the tackles. This, despite Eddie Goldman and occasionally Mario Edwards playing inside. If Florida State didn’t have Jameis Winston, they would be a four-loss team.

6. Impressive, impressive win by Texas A&M. Just when Joe was about to write off Kevin Sumlin as an overrated quarterback coach, the Aggies put the hurt on Auburn. Yes, Auburn gave the game away, but still, impressive by the Aggies.

7. Joe was confident Auburn would pull the game out. Save for last year’s BCS title game, no team had magic pixie dust like Tigers.

8. Joe guesses Oregon was impressive, but Utah? OK. Whatever. Joe was sleeping and missed it.

9. Joe tried to watch some B1G games at noon and that conference has become unwatchable. Kirk Ferentz is stealing money from the good citizens of Iowa, and what the hell happened to Pat Fitzgerald and Northwestern? They are the Northwestern of old. When Minnesota is one of your better teams, you have become a hack league.

10. Man, Baylor put the hurt on Oklahoma. The Sooners sure looked like a team whose coach, Bob Stoops, was about to bolt to Ann Arbor.

23 Responses to “Yesterday, Today And Tomorrow”

  1. phil Says:

    Hopefully the Glazers will take control of their team and fire Lovie and draft Jameis Winston and hire a head coach who know what the hell he is doing & is offensive minded. If we have Jameis throwing passes to Jackson, Evans & ASJ this team will be scoring like a video game which will fill up the stands.

  2. Patrick in VA Says:

    It seems like the Bucs get a celebration penalty every time they get into the end zone. Granted, I realize that they’re as shocked as we are that they made it in but it offers a glimpse in to where the heads of these players are. They are a lot more interested in patting themselves on the back than setting the team up for the win. That’s why we only have one. Everyone is playing for themselves and they’re not doing their part to contribute to the bigger picture. That’s why we’re always seeing blown assignments or players doing more than what they’re supposed to do. They’re trying to play outside the scheme and they’re looking to make it about them.

  3. DallasBuc Says:

    “You know, round hole in a square peg?”
    …or square peg in a round hole?

  4. bucrightoff Says:

    Win next week or I don’t see how they avoid 1-15. Wow that would be crazy. How many people would have thought when Lovie was hired he’d win 75% fewer games than Schiano and Raheem did at their worst? People would have called you crazy or a hater. Not anymore.

  5. Buccfan37 Says:

    Da Bears, could that be the Bucs second win? Nah, they’d find a way to make Chicago look good.

  6. Todd Says:

    If we played oakland could we beat them ?

  7. DaMayan Says:

    Seriously though, why is Koenen still punting for us?

  8. Harry Says:

    @bucrightoff Says:
    “…How many people would have thought when Lovie was hired he’d win 75% fewer games than Schiano and Raheem did at their worst?…”

    I am just dumbfounded by what is going on. I really don’t get it at all.

    But I do see a dangerous pattern with Lovie. He is incredibly stubborn in his decisions. When a fan can legitimately question coaching choices, something is very wrong. The fact that he did not feel the need to replace Tedford with someone with experience, as Joe points out – Sims over Rainey, McCown over MG8, Mike Jenkins AND Lenard Johnson over Banks, this years Oline over last years (I think they are worse, but they are certainly NOT better), that Lovie held on to the notion that the LG spot was fine until he gave away the farm to get an aging-past his prime Mankins, any punt returner over Patterson (MIN is currently ranked 5th), maybe worst of all, his stubbornness for running his defense when he clearly either does not have the players for it, OR he can’t teach it!!!

    It is sad to see what is happening to the Bucs. I so love this team.

  9. MTM Says:

    The fan base in Tampa is shrinking little by little after every lose. I watched 5 minutes of the game and was 100% sure the Bucs would lose. This team is gutless!!

  10. NewTampaChris Says:

    The other 3 NFC South teams have ten wins total. 4 of those 10 are against the Bucs.

  11. Fort Myers Dave Says:

    Marcus Arroyo
    Cornerbacks; born February 20 1961, San Francisco, Calif. Quarterback, San Jose State 1998, 2000-02. Defensive back, San Diego Chargers 1983-92. College coach: Prairie View A&M 2004, San Jose State 2005-08, Wyoming 2009-10, Cal 2011-12, Southern Mississippi 2013. Pro coach: Joined Buccaneers in 2014.

    Man our acting OC is older than I first guessed…. Dude is older than a lot of us who have been with the team since ’76….

  12. NewTampaChris Says:


    Your birthdate is likely off by 20 years. He would not have been playing QB in college when he was 37.

  13. bucs4lyfe Says:

    Hopefully now everyone shuts up about doug martin and about bobby rainey being such a good running back. so stupid people talking that nonsense like the o line has nothing to do with the running back, when josh mccown leads the team in rushing yea your offensive line is the problem not your running backs…..lovie smith is the worst coach ive ever seen up close, its hard to believe he makes me wish we had raheem morris back

  14. Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:

    We sucked Yesterday, We suck Today, and We will suck Tomorrow.

  15. BucFanInArkansas Says:

    Arroyo was born January 23, 1980. Now I’m kind of intrigued as to who owns the “other” resume that got mashed up with Arroyo’s. Chargers DB from ’82 – ’93?

  16. williejes Says:

    How many plays have our Safties made this year in the passing game. I can’t remember any. Who is the coach for the safties? Lovie’s son. Team Glazier should go to Lovie and tell him to Fire his son and also the special teams coach to shake up this team. They are just bad.

  17. Soggy Says:

    our winning season is that we did not go 0-16

  18. Buccfan37 Says:

    At least the Bucs have 3 out the last 7 games against the NFC North, their old stomping grounds. Uh, not really, maybe the Bears, they look fairly dismal.

  19. Bear the Bucs Says:

    Dumb leading the dumber. Move on; no geniuses here.

  20. Aubpierce Says:

    The team is a complete reflection of their head coach.A team and head coach lacking in common sense with little chance of improvement.

  21. Tomcin Says:

    Maybe the Glazers could reinstate Schiano & fire Dovie since they’re paying him anyway.

  22. buccanAy Says:

    As an Oklahoma alum…..please Big Game Boob, bolt for Michigan, and become their overhyped, overrated BOOB of a coach. I was at OU when Billy Sims, Kenny King,Selmon’s bros, and dare I say Bozworth, were some BAD BOYZ, and would NEVER, EVER lose like the Boob’s Sooners do. Go away BOOB, and don’t let door hit you…..kudos Joe, astute observation.

  23. biggun Says:

    This is like an episode of the twilight zone… we’re back in the same spot as 2009 wit Rah-Rah a 3-13 season. Wait we might not be able to do that good this year and we’ve got 10+ year HC smh… smh….smh