“Where Was Josh When I Was Young?”

July 27th, 2013

Many Bucs fans struggle to appreciate Josh Freeman, but typically it’s easy for Glory Days Buccaneers to show some love for No. 5

Why?

They remember the quarterbacks — and offenses — that kept those teams from Super Bowls.

“Where was Josh when I was young?” Warren Sapp wondered aloud this week.

Sapp said he dreamed of a team that could go up and down the field like the Bucs did last year. Playing significant time with significant leads, Sapp said, meant he would have “pinned these ears back” regularly.

92 Responses to ““Where Was Josh When I Was Young?””

  1. Couch Fan Says:

    I think Martin, V-Jax and Mike Will had a little (more?) to do with our offense going up and down the field and not just Josh last year. The 3 years prior when 2 of those 3 weren’t here, he just didnt go up and down the field like that now did he?

  2. grif4foozball Says:

    Freeman sucks!

  3. Fritz50 Says:

    So, we had V-Jax & Martin in 2010 ? Had some success that year, as I remember, with Free, and the world’s worst Offensive Co-ordinator, AND the infamous Benn’d around!!

  4. Bucnjim Says:

    Those of us who have been around since the 80′s (or even earlier for some) tend to appreciate Freeman more because we know what BAD really looks like. Last years offense even though inconsistent was one of the most exciting I’ve ever seen from a Buccaneer team. Some of you younger guys would disagree, but I’m telling you as a 25 year season ticket hold; we haven’t had an offense like this in Tampa EVER! It’s always been about the D here so I’m stoked that this team could be good on both sides of the ball.

  5. Fritz50 Says:

    Oh, & I guess V-Jax & Mike were throwing themselves the ball, right?

  6. youpeoplearesodumb Says:

    to all you Free bashers…..be careful what you wish for. The grass is hardly ever greener on the other side.

  7. Couch Fan Says:

    Fritz50 pull your head out of your @ss buddy. Nobody is disrespecting your man crush. But it’s fair to point out that before V-jax and Martin got here. Our offense was nothing. Even in that 2010 year (Freemans only winning year) our offense was garbage. Truth sucks sometimes but that doesnt make it any less true.

    V-Jax and Martin disserve every bit of credit that Freeman gets and then some.

  8. Mean D Says:

    So since fans have experienced truly crappy QBs in the past they should shut up and be satisfied with the mediocre one we have now.

  9. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @Bucnjim
    Well said.

    Fritz50 Says
    “Oh, & I guess V-Jax & Mike were throwing themselves the ball, right?”

    Oh, I guess if that applies not all of those interceptions were Josh’s fault either. After all, more than half of them were bounced off WRs hands.

    See? It applies both ways.

  10. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    From another thread
    Architek Says:
    “BucBonzai, People are over the Freeman bashing.”

    Apparently the above responses contradict that theory.

  11. Chris Says:

    I think many seem to forget that back in saps days there weren’t all these rules put into place against the defense.

  12. Couch Fan Says:

    Just for the record, I was not bashing Freeman Lol. Only giving respect to the others who were heavily involved in our offense last year.

  13. John Says:

    Oh how we forget so fast. Hat is off to Sapp. Maybe a balance on both sides of the ball might help. Second year w/ coach and staff, upgraded secondary, return of some good players, and new start.
    If Freeman is so bad, name a better QB that the Bucs had in the last 15 years.
    There was no one factor or player that caused the Bucs record last year, it was a team result.
    New Year, New Chance.

  14. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Just to be clear, Architek, I wasn’t calling you out above. I was just addressing your statement in a place where there was evidence to the contrary to prove my point.

  15. Couch Fan Says:

    So since fans have experienced truly crappy QBs in the past they should shut up and be satisfied with the mediocre one we have now.

    ————————————————————
    apparently so…

  16. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I’ve been here from the beginning & trust me….we have had a lot worse.
    Spurrier, Testeverde, Dilfer.
    Even Doug Williams & Steve Young didn’t perform that well as Buc…
    and then there is Shaun King…
    “Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 11 or fewer points.”

  17. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Except Freeman isn’t mediocre.

  18. Amar Says:

    Jeez, you freeman haters make me sick as if we have a chance of having a better quarterback in our disposal. Go jump of a cliff and lemme known if you see a better QB in hell. Lol

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh here we go. Sapp saying exactly what I said a month ago. The Bucs would have went and won the SB in 99 with Freeman as the QB.
    Possibly many SB’s.
    Oh and let me throw this comment I said many times before out there again.This should get everyone riled up again.
    Freeman is a better QB than Brad.

    “You can’t handle the truth”

  20. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh here we go. Sapp saying exactly what I said a month ago. The Bucs would have went and won the SB in 99 with Freeman as the QB.
    Possibly many SB’s.
    Oh and let me throw this comment I said many times before out there again.This should get everyone riled up again.
    Freeman is a better QB than Brad.

  21. Couch Fan Says:

    No super bowls, no division titles, no playoff appearances. Only 1 winning season on record. THAT is mediocre. Whether you want to admit it or not is up to you.

    You can sit here and say its a “team game” all you want but the goal is to win not look pretty on stat sheets… Right now Josh Freeman and his team is mediocre…

    Truth sucks but true none the less.

  22. Couch Fan Says:

    Lmao Nobody is hating. My god you people take anything that you perceive as not kissing Josh’s ass and try to spin it into something negative.. How cute.

    Bottom line is this. Josh has no super bowls, no division titles, no playoff appearances and to date only 1 winning season and a 4000 yard season where on most other teams that wouldn’t even be a record of any sort. THAT is MEDIOCRE.

    Maybe that’ll change this year. Hope so. GO BUCS!

  23. Couch Fan Says:

    Lmao Nobody is hating. My god you people take anything that you perceive as not kissing Josh’s ass and try to spin it into something negative.. How cute.

    Bottom line is this, Josh to date only has 1 winning season and a 4000 yard season where on most other teams that wouldn’t even be a record of any sort. THAT is MEDIOCRE.

    Maybe that’ll change this year. Hope so. GO BUCS!

  24. Buc1987 Says:

    So since fans have experienced truly crappy QBs in the past they should shut up and be satisfied with the mediocre one we have now.

    ^^^^ and we have been…except Freemans not mediocre. Mediocre was Brad Johnson.

  25. Bucfever40 Says:

    Couch, you are a moron son, I think it’s YOUR head that’s so far up YOUR own butt, which is why the grass is brown to you, gtf outta here with that nonsense dude, you have no clue about this team, and especially it’s current QB, last years offense was the best in Buc history, Freeman has more 4th qtr comebacks of them all, he threw most of his picks in a 3 week span, and thus the stigma sticks with fair weather so-called fans like you who seem to think every problem of this team is a result of #5, I sure hope you’re around in mid season to see what your excuse is gonna be, which I already know any success that Freeman has, you’ll attribute to everybody else that he accurately throws the ball to, so it’s likely a waste of time to try and prove to you that by a having a MUCH better defense (where he doesn’t have to bring them from behind every damn game) will equate to more wins, also finally having a QB coach for more than one season will also help Freeman, who is all of just 25yrs old, you have NO idea how bad it CAN be with an inferior QB, so shut up and let the man do his thing, if he stinks up the joint, then I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but I’ve been here since day 1, and am qualified to know that he’s been the best QB we’ve had here (career Buc-NOT Steve Young, who SUCKED here) or even D Williams, who really didn’t have great numbers either. Move on bully!

  26. Solaire of Astora Says:

    So what some of the commenter are saying on this thread is that V-Jax and Mike Will deserve part of the praise for how josh played but none of the blame.

  27. Pete422 Says:

    Imagine if the Sapp defense had this offense? They would have gone 16-0 at some point. Freeman won’t have to take the chances he had to last year. If this is just a good defense the Bucs are playoff bound.

    This SO reminds me of the Jim Kelly years in Buffalo. People loved to hate him because of the INTs. Can’t please everybody.

  28. Pete422 Says:

    Everybody QB needs a supporting cast. Just look at the talent Joe Montana had.

    Plus, if Sapp would have wanted Josh Freeman, then case closed.

  29. Raphael Says:

    Lol @ the freeman haters

    Lol , wonder what Shaun king ( QB who lost NFCC with a futile offense and small hands) thinks about Sapps comments ..

  30. Chris Says:

    If freeman were mediocre or half the qb brad Johnson was I’d be pretty comfortable about the qb situation. Idiots like bucfan1987 drool over the physical talents. The big arm athletic qbs. What differs from brad Johnson ? The neck up. Johnson had solid arm strength and wasn’t the athlete f freeman but he was smart and accurate and can dissect and pick defenses apart and move the chains. Also note back in 2002 era, there was no bs 5 yd incidental contact rules nor were the defensive penalties rules that strict. So throwing 22 tds to 9 int not playing a full season looks pretty darn better than what freeman does in today’s nfl.

    Josh just doesn’t have it mentally. People want to say its day two of training camp relax. Well the way he’s performing now is nothing we haven’t seen before. I want to see our defense throw more zone coverage at josh in practices too and see how he responds.

  31. Buc'n Junkie Says:

    The best QB before Johnson and Freeman had to be the feisty Steve Deberg.

  32. Raphael Says:

    @ Chris, how dumb are you exactly ? You realize josh has 8 franchise records ? 2 set last year for yards and tds in a season…

  33. Buc1987 Says:

    @Chris….and Johnson had about 10 more yrs of experience than Freeman, but of course your not that smart enough to figure that out. After 10 more years than Freeman I would hope Johnson would be a little more aware than Freeman. Don’t you think before you type?

  34. Pete422 Says:

    @chris: Talk to people who actually know Freeman & they will say you are wrong about the neck up.

  35. crazy Says:

    Sapp’s point is that a 30 pt offense with a shutdown defense is a pretty unbeatable combination. Without a shutdown defense attention naturally turns to the ups and down of the QB of a high-scoring offense that too often comes up short in last minute game-winning attempts.

  36. Chris Says:

    @Chris….and Johnson had about 10 more yrs of experience than Freeman, but of course your not that smart enough to figure that out. After 10 more years than Freeman I would hope Johnson would be a little more aware than Freeman. Don’t you think before you type?

    Well Johnson was t a buc for 10 years so he broke buc franchise records wen we’ve never had a consistent qb.

    Also if josh had it from the neck up , how come he has 39 INTs and 19 fumbles and about 12 dropped INTs last season? Why does he still throw into dbl and triple coverage? Why does he still sate Down Wrs? Why does e still hold into the ball and not anticipate routes?

  37. Chris Says:

    Correction ^^^. 39 INTs and 19 fumbles combined from 2011 and 2012. And had 12 dropped INTs in 2012. On iPhone so words will be misspelled. Fat fingers.

  38. Tye Says:

    JF just fits in well with all the other past Bucs Qbs…. Not quite good enough to be confident in and not quite bad enough to just let go….

    People bring up Franchise records as if the Bucs ever had some great QB in the past set them to being with…. It’s extremely plausable and in NO way impressive for someone to break a record set by an average talent.

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucs Fans = 50% morons (Chris and gang) and 50% that have a clue.

    Here’s a look a Brad’s stats which you will see early on in his career he did not exactly set the NFL on fire either.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    Brad Johnson stats pay attention to his EARLY days as QB
    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnBr00.htm

  41. Couch Fan Says:

    @BucFever

    Tell me what I have said that isnt true?

    Freeman broke Franchise records last year right? Well on how many other teams would he of broken those same records? not many. Just because he is statistically the best QB of a franchise that has a history of horrible offenses… doesnt make him great. You are the MORON you imply me to be.

    7-9 record last year, 1 winning season out of 4 and only 2 winning seasons in college and the pros in 7 years… guess what that is called? MEDIOCRE.

    You can call me whatever you like and you can continue to follow the rainbows and ride your ponys and make all the excuses you want but you cant dispute the truth.

    And truth is until we start winning meaningful football games…. we, as well as your man crush, is mediocre. Hilarious you are trying to prop up a 6 win a year QB as something more than mediocre.

    Lol but hey it could all change this year now that Freeman has pro bowlers all over the field. He might step up to average and win some games come January.

    I’ll tell you this much. If Freeman doesnt get it done this year and he leaves in Free Agency. There is NOWHERE he can go that will have a better team around him he does right now…. and he wont be any more successful there than he would of been here which again is only 6 wins a year.

    Keep crying for me BucFever. Maybe your man crush will hear you and play better.

  42. PRBucFan Says:

    Be thankful you had Brad and that you even won one Super Bowl..

    Smh lol

  43. Buc1987 Says:

    I wonder how Chris knows Brad Johnson was mentally smarter than Freeman in Brad’s 4th season as a NFL QB.

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    When I hold up that 15 foot banner at the Aug 8th pre-season game that reads WE BELIEVE IN JOSH. Guess what? I’m not only going to be speaking for myself, but for the haters as well. So take that!

  45. PRBucFan Says:

    Be thankful you at least had Brad and that you even won a Super Bowl..

    I love you 99 but come on now lol.

  46. Couch Fan Says:

    @Buc1987

    Lol go for it. Whatever produces wins at the end of the day is fine with me.

  47. Tiny Tim Says:

    How many of you idiots know that only 6 QB’s threw more TD’s than Freeman last year? How many of you idiots don’t understand that it takes 53 men to have a winning record and not just one? How many of you idiots understand that it takes 53 men to make the playoffs? Making the playoffs does not mean your QB is good or even average (see Jets with Sanchez) and not making the playoffs does not mean your QB is mediocre.

    This is a team game. The bucs have not been good enough to make the playoffs as a team since Free has been here. How many of you are idiots and do not know it? That will explain the idiotic statements I am reading.

  48. Couch Fan Says:

    How many of you idiots are going to keep making lame excuses for Freeman’s up and down play? True this is a team game but Freeman hasent played consistently well enough to win period.

    Next up!

  49. The 300's Says:

    How can this be? He had Shaun King, one of three quarterbacks to lead their team to the NFC Championship…….

    Sapp is absolutely correct. Even on Freeman’s worst day that defense would have made it work! Those guys CLOSED OUT GAMES!!!! That’s what I miss. Even if the offense went 3 and out you knew the opposing team’s offense was not going to score.

  50. Couch Fan Says:

    That year, he broke Tampa Bay team records for passing yards with 3,406, completions with 340, and attempts with 540. In his 2002-2003 season he led the Buccaneers to their first ever Super Bowl championship and earned his 2nd Pro Bowl appearance. He was helped in the Super Bowl by a defense that scored 21 of their 48 points. That year Johnson also became the first ever Bucs QB to lead the NFC in passer rating at 92.9, and set new team records for touchdowns with 22, completion percentage at 62.3, consecutive passes without an interception with 187, and lowest interception percentage with 1.3%. He was NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice again against Minnesota and Atlanta.
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    Wow Seems Brad Johnson broke some records of his own along with helping the bucs to a super bowl. How come some of you arent declaring Brad the best QB in Bucs history?

    Yet you want to lift up a 6 win QB? Lmao…

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    @PRBucFan…I don’t think Sapp was knocking Brad at all. I think he was refering to Dilfer and King.

  52. chris Says:

    When I hold up that 15 foot banner at the Aug 8th pre-season game that reads WE BELIEVE IN JOSH. Guess what? I’m not only going to be speaking for myself, but for the haters as well. So take that!

    Congrats bucfan1987. It’s an Aug. 8 preseason game where Josh will play defenses that will not disguise coverages nor throw in blitz packages. Yet he somehow still struggles against those?

    Dude, you call me a moron. However, everything I’ve seen, is seen by non-buc homers and 99.9 percent of analysis out there. Even the respected NFL scouts and analysis will tell you the same thing. Sapp, as much respect I have for him, does not have any background of breaking down QB play.

    I’ve played the position. You act like i’m an idiot or something. I may not have the exact same speed of competition of division 1 or even high div. 2 schools, but it’s very telling that you can tell when a QB doesn;’t have it.

    Read my previous post: Explain to me Josh’s tunnel vision? 39INTS, 19 fumbles, in 2 years combined? That’s sanchez esque. Explain his 12 dropped INTs in 2012. Explain him throwing balls into heavy traffic (aka double and triple coverage). Explain to me his holding onto the ball too long. Explain to me his lack of anticipation. Explain to me his underthrowing and overthrowing wide open wrs? Explain to me his struggles in big games when needed most? Explain to me, at 6-4 and when we needed him, he played his worst football?

    Bucfan 1987, I’m calling you out. Please explain to me with hard details and don’t come at me with “but the secondary stunk” or “Josh will show everyone up this year” without details.

    I;’m not a buc nor freeman hater. But I;’m not a “nut hugger” either.

  53. Couch Fan Says:

    That year, he broke Tampa Bay team records for passing yards with 3,406, completions with 340, and attempts with 540. In his 2002-2003 season he led the Buccaneers to their first ever Super Bowl championship and earned his 2nd Pro Bowl appearance. He was helped in the Super Bowl by a defense that scored 21 of their 48 points. That year Johnson also became the first ever Bucs QB to lead the NFC in passer rating at 92.9, and set new team records for touchdowns with 22, completion percentage at 62.3, consecutive passes without an interception with 187, and lowest interception percentage with 1.3%. He was NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice again against Minnesota and Atlanta.
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    It seems Brad Johnson broke some Tampa Bay records of his own, along with helping his team win the super bowl. (I know I know, his stats are soo good because of the defense!) But yet some of you “idiots” are declaring Josh as the best Bucs QB ever with his 6 wins a year average and no play off appearances.

  54. Couch Fan Says:

    That year, he broke Tampa Bay team records for passing yards with 3,406, completions with 340, and attempts with 540. In his 2002-2003 season he led the Buccaneers to their first ever Super Bowl championship and earned his 2nd Pro Bowl appearance. He was helped in the Super Bowl by a defense that scored 21 of their 48 points. That year Johnson also became the first ever Bucs QB to lead the NFC in passer rating at 92.9, and set new team records for touchdowns with 22, completion percentage at 62.3, consecutive passes without an interception with 187, and lowest interception percentage with 1.3%. He was NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice again against Minnesota and Atlanta.
    ————————————————————-

    Seems to me that Brad Johnson Broke those same records Freeman did with half the offense. But yet your declaring Josh, a 6 wins a year QB to be the best bucs QB ever? Laughable.

    Let me guess, Brad’s numbers look so good only because of the defense right? Lol

    Im not hating on Freeman because he has the talent to be better than BJ, no doubt about that. But so far he hasent done anything for any else to call someone names for disputing the fact he hasent done anything yet.

  55. Tiny Tim Says:

    But Josh has played well enough for the bucs to have made the playoffs evident by his numbers in 2010 and 2012. Sanchez numbers never have come close but Sanchez’s teams were better. You sir need a new argument and fast.

    Oh yea………..Next Up!

  56. Buc1987 Says:

    …..and in no way was I bashing Brad either. I’m a Brad Johnson fan and BTW I used to have to defend him as well back in the days of AOL football chat. Back when people would say he would never win a SB for us. They were wrong then and you all are wrong now. Same thing different decade.

  57. Couch Fan Says:

    I can’t seem to post it on here but Brad Johnson broke team records our super bowl year to. Look it up. Thats not denying our defense was the main factor in our super bowl last year, but the stats show Brad Johnson was very good that year. How come all of you are acting like he was garbage and pretending Freeman, a 6 wins a year QB, is so much better when Freeman has done nothing in this league yet?

    I’m not hating on Freeman, he absolutely has the talent to be better than BJ. I’m just trying to figure out how some of you are lofting this mediocre QB up while trying to bash our super bowl qb.

  58. Couch Fan Says:

    Numbers mean nothing. Stafford has better numbers and the same amount of success (except a playoff appearance). So according to your theory, Stafford is better than Freeman cuz his numbers say so right?

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    The 2 most misunderstood bloggers on here are Couch Fan and SteveK. I know where both you guys are coming from when it comes to Freeman. I know the difference between hatred and just wanting the team to win. Or wanting Freeman to do better, because if he does it will only make the TEAM better. I rarely ever criticize the 2 of you, but some love to jump all over you. Just letting ya know I get it, and I don’t put you guys in the moron category.

  60. chris Says:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9510979/bill-barnwell-breaks-josh-freeman-chances-having-bounce-back-year

  61. Buc1987 Says:

    @Chris I guess Schiano has not figured it out yet that Freeman doesn’t have that “it” factor yet. So maybe you should apply for his job.

  62. Couch Fan Says:

    Good to know Buc1987, im not a hater of anything Bucs. Just tired of the losing and excuses. I do believe this year will be different, how much different will depend on Freeman which is why I criticize him so much.

  63. Couch Fan Says:

    Wow just seen all the double posts Lmao. I didnt mean to do that, but it wasnt posting it for me. I just now see them showing up.

  64. Buc1987 Says:

    For the record Jesus Christ could give me a bad analysis on Freeman and I would still not listen to him. So keep throwing out all the “experts” analysis you can at me and everyone else. It’s meaningless to me just like them and you for that matter.

  65. Tiny Tim Says:

    What do you mean stats mean nothing, but turn around and talk about how many ints freeman threw or records etc.? Stats do mean something, but they do not tell the whole story. Stafford being better than freeman is not the argument. If you think stafford is better than Freeman, so be it. My argument again (because it is obvious you missed it) is that Freeman has had at least two years where he played well enough to have made the playoffs. The team was not good enough. Qb’s with less productive years as freeman have made the playoffs. To blame that on Freeman is totally unfair. Got it? Probably not.

  66. chris Says:

    I’m not a buc hater either. Ive been a die hard buc fan as long as I can remember. I’m just giving my hard-fact honest analysis because the team around the QB seems to be the strongest in the division. That’s one everyone will have a hard time arguing, but there not wrong when questioning Josh Freeman.

    Look, I hope the day comes bucfan1987 can come back here and tell me I’m wrong about Josh, WHEN WE SEE IT! I hope I eat dirt on my analysis bc that means Josh turned into that Franchise QB we all want him to be. But from what we’ve seen and are still seeing, No I do not believe that right now. That does not make me a hater. I’m supporting facts , something that 1987 has yet to do.

  67. Tiny Tim Says:

    Couch says:

    Good to know Buc1987, im not a hater of anything Bucs. Just tired of the losing and excuses. I do believe this year will be different, how much different will depend on Freeman which is why I criticize him so much.

    So you rather criticize freeman for this upcoming year without him even taking a snap in 2013? If you believe this year will be different, wouldn’t it be best to just sit back and watch how the season unfolds before condemning Free? I get it, you speak first before seeing the truth unfold. You are the type to accuse someone of stealing without knowing or seeing them still. Not a smart way to live IMO, but everybody has their way I guess. If you like it…………

  68. Couch Fan Says:

    Tim you are talking about someone else. I have never showed any such stats about Ints or TDs or anything like that. I stick to what I see. It’s ok though everybody else talks about stats, to me though stats are unimportant because the same stats can used for multiple purposes depending on your point of view. I just stick to the eye ball test.

  69. Couch Fan Says:

    So you rather criticize freeman for this upcoming year without him even taking a snap in 2013? If you believe this year will be different, wouldn’t it be best to just sit back and watch how the season unfolds before condemning Free?

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    Lol what are you talking about? I have not condemned Free to anything.
    The article isimplying that Freeman would of been of so much help to them back in there day. I simply pointed out there was more to the offense than Just Freeman.

    Got your panties bundled up to tight?

  70. Walter Says:

    Bottom line Freeman is better than Brad Johnson. Freeman produces and plays on a shit team. (Not anymore though hopefully the secondary will be good this year)

    Brad Johnson managed games on a dominant defensive team that used to have the motto “Give us 14 points and we’ll win the game.”

    Put Freeman on that squad from 1995-2003, we win at least 2-3 Superbowls, and if you don’t think Freeman can lead an offense to 14-20pts a game with that D, you’re stupid.

    All of you guys:

    Stevek
    Couch Fan
    Robert
    Free’s a Boob
    Etc.

    I know why you guys don’t like Freeman. It’s not because you think he’s a bad QB, it’s because he hasn’t put the team on his back, he hasn’t been that force that Raheem tried to sell to us when he was coach. And we were promised a lot, it was “all about 5.”

    Well, sorry, but he’s NOT a quarterback like Brady, Manning, Bree’s, or Rodgers, he will not put up those numbers, 5,000 yards, 40-45 tds, etc.

    But he can sure as hell put points on the board, and he can move this team up and down the field.

    Still, he has bad games, HORRIBLE games, where you can’t even be 100% sure if that’s really Josh Freeman out there. Last year he had his slump at a terrible time for sure, that timing makes the problem stick out, so people want to point to that and blame the QB, which once again, is totally understandable.

    My point is, Freeman has the ability to lead a very potent offense, and may now POSSIBLY have a respectable defense to hold onto leads, plus I believe he has quality coaching now with Schiano at the helm and Sully at his side, and he’s under contract for this season, why not see if year 2 he can REALLY show us how much he can produce. Freeman hasn’t played sooooo poorly that he deserves the boot, anyone who thinks he has is simply not looking at the big picture.

  71. Tiny Tim Says:

    Lol what are you talking about? I have not condemned Free to anything.
    The article isimplying that Freeman would of been of so much help to them back in there day. I simply pointed out there was more to the offense than Just Freeman.

    It was more to the offense for Montana, Young, Aikman, Big Ben, Both Mannings, Brees etc. The list goes on. No Freeman supporter is giving Freeman all of the credit, but all of you Freeman skeptics and bashers blame him for not making the playoffs. You can’t have it both ways. My original point stands. IT TAKES A TEAM!!!!! A team like Montana, Young, Aikman, Big Ben, Both Mannings, and Brees etc. had. Case closed

  72. Tiny Tim Says:

    Tim you are talking about someone else. I have never showed any such stats about Ints or TDs or anything like that. I stick to what I see. It’s ok though everybody else talks about stats, to me though stats are unimportant because the same stats can used for multiple purposes depending on your point of view. I just stick to the eye ball test.

    Excuse me, you did not talk about a 7-9 record? Is that not a stat? 7-9 does not tell the whole story as it relates to Josh. He played well enough for the bucs to have won more than 7 games, but yet you attributed the 7-9 record to his inconsistencies and lack of playoff appearance? Do you not remember that?

  73. Jbskiff Says:

    @ Fritz & 1987. Even a broken clock is right two times a day. I knew there could not be a thread about Freeman unless someone would say(with teary eyes) ” he’s only 25 years old ” . [many of us had gone to war and was back home by then]. AND his only 3 bad games or so came right after his pretty boy photo shoot. Bet he will leave off the moon walking this year. Freeman needs to have his head in the game. A little less partying might be his margin of success this year.

  74. chris Says:

    When we talk about stats, yes, some are decieving. For example, Josh did throw 27 TD passes in 2012. But in weeks 6 thrrough 11, he had 16 of those 27. He struggled weeks 1-4 as well.,

    The final stretch, he was down right awful. Probably worse than weeks 1-4, albeit that Dallas game was atrotious along with the first 2 and 1/2 qtrs against Washington where he looked like a lost puppy looking for scraps.

    TOs, not converting on 3rd downs, even Josh himself pointed out these two stats because being bad in both categories does not help out your defense.

  75. Tiny Tim Says:

    @ Chris:

    So all of the TO, INT’s and 3 and outs are Josh’s fault? I mean when a WR tipped a ball instead of catching it resulting in a INT was Josh’s fault? What about when the WR runs the incorrect route resulting in a INT? Or when the OL gets a holding penalty on 2nd 6 after Josh hooks up with VJax on a 19 yrd gain negating the good play resulting in a 2nd and 16 which ultimately leads to a three and out is Josh’s fault?

    When Josh admits to not converting third downs or being better on third downs etc, he is talking about the team as a whole. Yes, Josh made mistakes, but to not point out the mistakes of the other 10 guys are ludicrous. And too many of you do that far too much.

  76. PRBucFan Says:

    “That year, he broke Tampa Bay team records for passing yards with 3,406, completions with 340, and attempts with 540. In his 2002-2003 season he led the Buccaneers to their first ever Super Bowl championship and earned his 2nd Pro Bowl appearance. He was helped in the Super Bowl by a defense that scored 21 of their 48 points. That year Johnson also became the first ever Bucs QB to lead the NFC in passer rating at 92.9, and set new team records for touchdowns with 22, completion percentage at 62.3, consecutive passes without an interception with 187, and lowest interception percentage with 1.3%. He was NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice again against Minnesota and Atlanta.”

    Amazing post, people love to hate on Brad and our in our SuperBowl season he played a pivotal role as well.

  77. PRBucFan Says:

    “That year, he broke Tampa Bay team records for passing yards with 3,406, completions with 340, and attempts with 540. In his 2002-2003 season he led the Buccaneers to their first ever Super Bowl championship and earned his 2nd Pro Bowl appearance. He was helped in the Super Bowl by a defense that scored 21 of their 48 points. That year Johnson also became the first ever Bucs QB to lead the NFC in passer rating at 92.9, and set new team records for touchdowns with 22, completion percentage at 62.3, consecutive passes without an interception with 187, and lowest interception percentage with 1.3%. He was NFC Offensive Player of the Week twice again against Minnesota and Atlanta.”

    Amazing post, people love to hate on Brad or extremely underrate him and our in our championship season he played a pivotal role as well.

  78. PRBucFan Says:

    Last year the team was shit?

    Lol the things people say

    P.S. Since my post wont show up, i’ll just say the post about Brad’s impact on our SuperBowl team and his accomplishments that year was amazing. Thanks, tired of people undervaluing him.

  79. PRBucFan Says:

    This filter sucks joe lol

    Hard to get a post up now a days

  80. PRBucFan Says:

    Last year the team was crap?

    Wow the things people say

    P.S. Since my post wont show up, i’ll just say the post about Johnson’s impact on our championship team and his accomplishments that year was amazing. Thanks, tired of people undervaluing him.

  81. Couch Fan Says:

    Lmao this guy just wants to argue.

    thats ok. First off the 7-9 is a record, not a stat. But if you want it to be a stat thats fine because that Stat is the only stat that matters in football.

    Now does all the blame fall on him? Of course not. But his up and down play did have a hand in that mediocre career record. Which makes him, as I’ve been saying, mediocre.

    What has he done that qualifies him as anything other than mediocre so far in his career?

  82. Buc1987 Says:

    LOL I love all these tiffs

  83. Buc1987 Says:

    If Freeman looks like crap in the Jets game I’ll be in here saying he does. I don’t make any excuses for him now, and I won’t start this season either. I’ll also try REAL hard not to gloat if he does good either. I know we all want the same thing and that’s a playoff berth.

  84. Free's A Boob Says:

    When Sapp was young Freeman was riding the short bus to school

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    I also think once we go to N.E. and smack Brady in the teeth and come out 3-0 to start the season. Buc fans will calm down about Freeman.

  86. SteveK Says:

    Freeman, Freeman, and Freeman.

    Can he, will he do it this year?

    Is the offense potent or impotent? #5 better take the little blue pill.

  87. Jbskiff Says:

    @1987. As Ronny used to say, “there you go again”. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. So much for you not defending the little 25 year old. You and his dad who also posts on this site should realize, if he plays well, (good ball placement , smart decisions, consistency, not blaming others, not afraid to run, etc) he will have praise for that; if not he will have hell to pay!

  88. Jbskiff Says:

    Why will the posts not show up?

  89. Chris Says:

    Buc1987 Says:
    July 27th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
    I also think once we go to N.E. and smack Brady in the teeth and come out 3-0 to start the season. Buc fans will calm down about Freeman.

    Hope you’re right but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Jets are week 1 and we’ve seen extremely bad josh against bad teams.

  90. Free's A Boob Says:

    Smack Brady in the teeth? Are you on smack?

  91. Tiny Tim Says:

    No need to continue to argue with someone who thinks that 7-9 is not a stat but only a record. News flash, it may be call a record, but it is still a stat genius. Obviously you have not taking a statistic class or a math class for that matter. And as I pointed out, if your team sucks, it does not matter how the QB performs (see drew Brees). His team as a whole sucked and therefore he did not make the playoffs. It does not mean Brees did not play well enough to be in the playoffs last year. You need a team to make the playoffs. Some just will not get it. Obviously the genius Couch is one of them.

  92. Tiny Tim Says:

    FYI…..even more so why your argument is futile because the “record” is indicutive of the entire team’s performance and not only Josh. You show me where the team has had a top 28 finish in defense and I will agree Josh may have been a problem. Show me where the offense has had many weapons before this past season and I will say Josh is the problem. The first year Josh has weapons, the team jumps to #9 in total offense. The defense? #31. Special teams as it relates to kick returns and punt returns? Ask Joe about that. IT takes a team genius.

 
 

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