Sean Payton’s Inaugural Glennon Mob Address
June 23rd, 2014
For those who missed it over the weekend, Joe brought word that Sean Payton served up genuine praise of the 2013 Bucs offense while answering a question about new Saints fullback Erik Lorig fitting in with the New Orleans offense.
Joe has dug up the actual audio — and video — so fans can draw their own conclusions. It’s linked here.
Payton opens explaining that the Saints’ 2013 opponents typically played the Bucs a week or two before the Saints matched up against the same team. So Payton watched a lot of Tampa Bay film while preparing “in the last half of the season.”
“We felt like every time we put their offensive tape on, we saw a quarterback that was getting better,” Payton said, before praising the Bucs’ offensive line and Lorig for their role in an effective running game.
This was just fascinating — that a likely future Hall of Fame head coach so effortlessly and genuinely expressed how impressed he was by the Bucs offense. Either Payton was being forthright, or has a career in politics. Again, check out the video.
What is clear is the Bucs’ brass likes their “quarterback of the future” and was buoyed by the respect Mike Glennon commanded around the NFL this offseason. If there is such a thing, it’s a big preseason ahead for Glennon. Joe believes the better Glennon plays, the better command he shows of Jeff Tedford’s offense, the quicker the potential hook will be for Josh McCown.
Joe’s not predicting McCown’s demise, but the reality is a losing record on Halloween, coupled with a typical Lovie passing attack, could launch the second Glennon era.
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:05 am
So whats worse giving this guy a fair shot and down the road he doesn’t meet expectations… Or trading him/ letting him go to another team where he ends up being a stand out franchise QB.
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:17 am
Worst part is the amount of days until this is actually settled
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:22 am
One of the best, and my personal fave, Q.B.’s in the league, Aaron Rodgers sat for three years before getting his shot in year 4.
No Josh McCown is not Brett Favre, but he’s actually physically in the prime of his career without the same amount of wear and tear that Favre absorbed in his many years of starting.
Sitting behind McCown for another couple of years is not the end of the world for Glennon. Might make the MGM crazy but it MIGHT actually be the best thing for Glennon and the team.
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:31 am
Since Joe chose to rerun, so will I.
Tampabaybucfan Says:
June 22nd, 2014 at 11:51 am
Here we go again with our “Quarterback Controversy” with perhaps Payton stoking it a bit and definately Joe stoking it alot.
There is NO controversy. Mike Glennon is a very young, inexpensive, third round pick who has some NFL starts and it a “potential” starter. He is a very suitable backup to Josh McCown who will mentor him and buy him time.
McCown is our starter. As much as it generates readership and attention….the “Controversy” does not exist!!!
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:35 am
Glennon keeps gaining steam for all of the right reasons.
Glennon earned his spot on the roster as the team’s back up.
I am thrilled to see the leadership from McCown, lord knows Glennon had none of that with Freeman at the helm.
Glennon will only get better, and eventually take over. Personally, I can’t wait to see Glennon light it up. There will be crow served to a lot of Buc Fans, especially the 620Radio Host who is “friends” with Freeman, and therefore can’t speak truthfully and factually about his boy’s demise.
Keep calling Mike Glennon names, make that “Really?” T-Shirt, he is going to surprise a lot of narrow sited “fans”…
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:36 am
What MGM? You mean the dozen or so fans who liked the potential they saw in the rookie QB. Or the fans who insisted MG deserved further consideration by his not shabby play with the surrounding cast of players. The mob is those that wanted him traded as worthless still exists, just muted presently, hoping for his failure and removal from the team.
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:51 am
Dump pass to the SuperBowl
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:58 am
Look, the odds are against the Bucs having an offense that performs like the Eagles did last year. That’s not a knock on Tedford, but just the reality of the offensive line, lack of gelling by the personnel, and the young WR’s digesting the route schemes right away. There’s room for a lot of breakdowns, and we have no reason to believe we’re going to be ‘good’ at scoring points right off the bat.
So if Lovie’s gonna pull McCown over a losing record, the middle of 2014 almost guarantees it will happen then. This schedule is harsh, front loaded and I’m not betting they make it to week 10 with a winning record. I think it would be a mistake though, just going off a record. I’d give McCown the whole season unless he plays poorly. Which he’s not going to do. If we fans are lucky, we’ll get a Jeff Garcia-like performance (in a good year) from McCown, hopefully it will be good enough.
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:02 am
As for Glennon, if he were that good we wouldn’t be talking about him as a backup. Sorry, but I defer to the people who run the show on those decisions. Glennon’s not a bad player – but if they think McCown can do even slightly better, and it results in one or two more victories than Glennon would’ve gotten – I’ll take it.
I’m sick and tired of the concept of ‘development’. This is the new NFL – you’ve either got it or you don’t. And if you’ve got it – nobody argues it. It’s self evident.
If Glennon had whatever it was that makes Andrew Luck tick we’d be talking about how lucky we were to get a backup of such great quality as Josh McCown.
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:12 am
@LouisFriend
Like the Garcia comparison although McCown is more gifted physically than rubber band arm Garcia. Garcia was a gamer though and so I’m not dissing him, just pointing out that he got every last ounce out of his talent.
I’m thinking McCown could pull off the same trick.
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:17 am
Cannon love from Payton is pretty high praise.
McCown should do fine though. My only issue is that he’s not been a starter previously and is unfamiliar with competition waiting on the sidelines.
That’s the real story here Joe.
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:26 am
The MGM will think Sean is being honest and with no agenda but I think different.
Payton was the coach that payed their defensive players to take out opposing players from games. Now with that in mind I believe everything he speaks to the media is planned BS.
What makes sense to me is him wanting to face a 2nd year QB this coming season rather than an experienced one. SMOKESCREEN
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:31 am
@ biff,
McCown started 13 games for the cards in 05. Not that he was any good, but he has started before. Just like he was a starter Oakland as well. I hope he does well but his loses are more then his wins.
June 23rd, 2014 at 11:31 am
Coaches using the media does not stop after the draft….
June 23rd, 2014 at 12:15 pm
I think a lot of people are pinning there hope on a QB that played decent in five games (won 3) against some very mediocre teams.
Old man McCown better play at a high level, or keep looking over his shoulder for the future!
June 23rd, 2014 at 12:25 pm
“likely Hall of Fame head coach?”
Seriously? Based on what? One Super Bowl title, and not much more (well, aside from that year long suspension).
Wow. Just wow.
You might want to look at Payton’s record. –Joe
June 23rd, 2014 at 12:35 pm
Buccfan37 Says:
June 23rd, 2014 at 10:36 am
What MGM? You mean the dozen or so fans who liked the potential they saw in the rookie QB. Or the fans who insisted MG deserved further consideration by his not shabby play with the surrounding cast of players. The mob is those that wanted him traded as worthless still exists, just muted presently, hoping for his failure and removal from the team.
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Very well said! +1
tickrdr
June 23rd, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Whether we like a QB or not doesn’t matter. Coaches are going to play the guy who gives them the best shot of winning. If Glennon were that guy he’d be starting. I don’t think there’s an MGM. I do think there’s a ton of fans sick of losing and willing to trade their souls for a QB that can get us over the hump. I don’t think either guy is good enough to carry the team. Heck, if anyone does they should have their head examined. The coaches don’t either, else why spend a draft stockpiling talent for these guys to work with. Brady and Ben the rapist can get the job done with guys less talented than a six pack of cheap beer – our guys need Marvel superhero receivers. Either way, whatever works is fine with me.
June 23rd, 2014 at 1:01 pm
I think McCown will be a breakout star this year (like many analysts have predicted). Glennon will be a solid starter if and when we need him, but it probably won’t be for 2-3 seasons. #Realitymgmsorry. I think Payton was possibly being genuine, but also possibly smokescreening. Of course a division rival would rather have a 2nd-year QB leading who would be wayyy easier to sack & pressure than McCown will be…
June 23rd, 2014 at 1:06 pm
The_Buc_Realist Says:
June 23rd, 2014 at 12:15 pm
I think a lot of people are pinning there hope on a QB that played decent in five games (won 3) against some very mediocre teams.
Old man McCown better play at a high level, or keep looking over his shoulder for the future!
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Also well said and +1!
McCown started five games but not one against a Top Ten defense for 2013, and GB 25th, Minn 31st, and Dallas 32nd (by Game Stats column at NFL.com) were among the worst defenses in the league. Even by scoring defense rankings, not a single opponent in the Top Ten defenses.
MG8 played against SIX of the Top Ten defenses ranked by Game Stats, and SEVEN of the Top Ten ranked defenses for scoring. Most of those were playoff teams with pretty good offenses as well, yet some expected that he should carry the team against such quality opponents. He certainly may not have “it”, but he certainly played well enough to deserve a chance to see what he’s got!
tickrdr
June 23rd, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Mike Glennon has a cannon, and is the Buccaneer QB of the future. We are very fortunate that Schiano knew Freeman was done and had the forsight to nab Glennon (the best QB of the ’13 class, and 3rd QB taken) in the 3rd round.
We are fortunate that Schiano would not allow Dominick to extend Freeman to a “team friendly long-term deal” like Joe suggested.
Glennon is going to be winning us games before you know it.
June 23rd, 2014 at 2:05 pm
I like the Garcia comparison – its a very good one. The potential for for McCown to perform at that level is very real. I wouldn’t say McCown is going to be All Pro, or anything like that; but its also not impossible. I do think he will be very serviceable for what we need.
@Louis Friend Says:
“…I don’t think either guy is good enough to carry the team. Heck, if anyone does they should have their head examined. …Ben the rapist… …our guys need Marvel superhero receivers…”
1) Totally agree Louis. But I do wish for a long term answer at QB and that can only come thru the draft
2) “Ben the rapist” – I LOVE that – I hate that dirtbag
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:01 pm
He said the same kinds of things about Josh Freeman a few years back comparing him to Cam Newton.
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:09 pm
The potential for for McCown to perform at that level is very real.
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Based on what exactly?
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:16 pm
A great QB can make an above average coach look great. A lousy QB can make a great coach look below average. And an offensive line that won’t block can make everybody look like crap.
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:20 pm
Of course Payton is going to say this.the more we start glennon the more likely were headed for a top 5 pick. Why not keep us down in the bottom of the cellar. If lovie takes Sean Payton s advice the saints will be laughing all the way to the division title again.
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:43 pm
Experience is where the Garcia and McCown comparisons should stop. Sorry, but Jeff “fair catch” Garcia didn’t have anything left in his already mediocre arm by the time he got here. I lost count of how many times Galloway had to call fair catches for his air ball passes. Josh has an arm still.
June 23rd, 2014 at 3:53 pm
beserker
“Dump pass to the SuperBowl”
I’ll take that route!
I really don’t care how our team gets to the Super Bowl….Just get there!
June 23rd, 2014 at 4:46 pm
The MGM needs to stop sniffing glennons jock strap. It’s killing their brain cells.
June 23rd, 2014 at 6:00 pm
@ Buc89
“The MGM needs to stop sniffing glennons jock strap. It’s killing their brain cells.”
Possibly, but anyone who is convinced McCown is going to not only start but light it up this year based on a 5 game sample last year has obviously killed just as many brain cells as the MGM. I am glad the Bucs went out and got McCown, but the reality is based on his career body of work he’s more apt to be a poor man’s Ryan Fitzpatrick or Kevin Zolb 2.0 than the second coming of Rich Gannon during his Oakland years.
June 23rd, 2014 at 6:20 pm
@ T.O.T.L.
Knowledgeable NFL analysts predict that McCown will be a breakout star this year. Not just based on the 5-game sample, but based on his overall momentum & the fact that it seems like he’s hit a turning point in his career in regards to awareness, reading defenses, preparation, leadership & ability. McCown could possibly take this ridiculously talented team all the way.
June 23rd, 2014 at 6:23 pm
How you extrapolated all that negativity about Glennon from Payton saying, “quarterback that was getting better” is beyond me. Haters just keep on hatin’
June 23rd, 2014 at 6:48 pm
@Couch Fan Says:
“The potential for for McCown to perform at that level is very real.
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Based on what exactly?”
Of course its just my opinion Couch. And to make sure u understand my point, I am not saying McCown is going to be Manning or B_rady (unlike the comparisons made for The Cannon by others, sorry, I could not help it). I am saying he might duplicate the resurgence Garcia had late in his career. McCown had some good talent around him last year and performed well. The 5 games he had last year was plenty for DCs to find something to shut him down with and they failed. So, I think he has a good shot to be pretty decent
June 23rd, 2014 at 7:03 pm
@Harry
Jeff Garcia took 3 different teams to the playoffs,
Jeff Garcia played 16 in a season several times.
Jeff Garcia was selected to the pro-bowl 4 times
McCown has ????????? nothing
I do hope that Old Man McCown has something that he has never seen in the NFL, and that is “Success”
June 23rd, 2014 at 7:36 pm
-Harry Says:
June 23rd, 2014 at 6:48 pm
“So, I think he has a good shot to be pretty decent.”
Both QBs have a shot at being pretty decent. MG8 is going to be firing the cannon.
June 23rd, 2014 at 7:52 pm
Anyone who ‘believes’ that Coach Payton is saying nice things, about Glennon, so that Lovie will start him, and the Saints can win the division… is a complete maroon (hat tip to Warner Bros). Coach Payton ‘may’ be saying nice things just to be… nice. He may even mean it. IT’S IRRELEVANT. Lovie is NOT watching Payton’s interviews in order to know how to best coach the Bucs.
June 24th, 2014 at 2:31 am
How long will this “QB of the future” last? Lol 😉
June 24th, 2014 at 2:35 am
Payton can sing all the praises of him he wants, just so happens McCown is receiving all the praise from the coaches who matter lol.
June 25th, 2014 at 10:58 am
Buc89 Said:
“The MGM needs to stop sniffing glennons jock strap. It’s killing their brain cells.”
Naw. Lost all mine during the 60’s.
What’ your excuse?