Unhealthy Baker Mayfield Is A Neutered QB
November 28th, 2025
How hurt?
It appears Baker Mayfield may start Sunday after all.
At the end of Friday’s practice, Bucs coach Todd Bowles said that the Bucs quarterback, Mayfield, is “trending” toward playing on Sunday, per Scott Smith of Buccaneers.com.
Also, Bowles said of Mayfield, “He moved around perfectly today.”
Doesn’t sound like a guy who’s going to watch the game in street clothes.
Joe has to believe if Mayfield doesn’t start, he’s not suiting up. So that tells Joe, the way Bowles spoke of Mayfield, he will likely start on Sunday.
Now the question is, how much of Mayfield will the Bucs get? In past starts when he has been injured, Mayfield was a shell of his healthy self and very hesitant to run.
A non-running Mayfield is a neutered Mayfield. One of his best weapons is being able to scramble for first downs. Take his running away from him, Mayfield is little more than a stationary quarterback.
And, at times, when Mayfield has played but not been 100 percent, he could barely throw. The New Orleans game earlier this season and the Carolina game to end the 2023 season are perfect examples.
So the Bucs better be able to unleash the run game.
November 28th, 2025 at 1:17 pm
But Why?
Why not rest him so he can get healthy?
Why risk it?
November 28th, 2025 at 1:17 pm
This is just DUMB IMHO Joe
November 28th, 2025 at 1:20 pm
I agree with the Anthem. Should be able to beat the Cardinals with Bridge (over troubled) water.
November 28th, 2025 at 1:27 pm
Because the alternative is Teddy Bridgewater. So your running and passing game are “neutered”
November 28th, 2025 at 1:27 pm
If he knows he can’t scramble, then he needs to start trusting his first and second reads more often. Honestly, I’m not sure why he doesn’t do that more when he is able to scramble. It seems like the majority of the time he gets himself into a situation where he has to scramble because he holds on to the ball too long and starts happy feeting around pocket. IT seemed like earlier in the season he was 5 step – 7 step drop then ball out. Now he is just holding on, maybe because he doesn’t even trust himself?
November 28th, 2025 at 1:28 pm
Mayfield is plenty dangerous just passing if he has all his WRs. He only has to run when nobody is open- which happens a lot with this current crew and double coverage on Egbuka. Soon that will change once Godwin gets up to speed and Evans/McMillan come back. Hopefully Godwin has a great game Sunday which will also improve Egbuka’s prospects.
November 28th, 2025 at 1:37 pm
How about throwing it beyond the sticks….these 4 yard passes aren’t cutting it.
Defenses are ready for them…..when it’s 2nd or 3rd & 6…..throw it 7 yards please.
November 28th, 2025 at 1:39 pm
This is a must win for everyone’s confidence!! Players, coaches, and most of all us FANS!!!!! There is no way Baker could stand on the sidelines and watch, No way!!! We need some momentum, Go Bucs!!!!
November 28th, 2025 at 1:40 pm
We saw it in Cleveland I love baker a ton him being injured and “toughening it out” is not a great idea to win games. Hes already been hot and cold without the injury that will only become more drastic especially without big mike. Then again i have zero confidence in teddy 2 gloves with our team play caller and his inability to scramble so neither situation is ideal
November 28th, 2025 at 1:52 pm
Always rest injured players. If you can’t win without them, you’re team isn’t good enough and deserves to lose. Teams have won superbowls with backup QBs.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:06 pm
Nothing good will come of letting an injured Baker Mayfield start.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:08 pm
He’s starting because peoples jobs depend on it. Todd really needs a good defensive game, with a win. Can’t have a four game slide heading into December football.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:19 pm
Here is an idea; why don’t the Bucs provide adequate pass protection for Baker? He really hasn’t had it all year. Let your QB get the hell beaten out of him and then say he isn’t getting the job done. Brady wouldn’t tolerate shoddy pass protection. Baker covers for his guys all the time. He shouldn’t have too.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:21 pm
If we can’t beat the Cardinals and Aints in consecutive weeks without Baker, we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:29 pm
Yes agree rest him!!. Yes the Bucs are in panic mode but risking further injury or aggravating the injury makes no sense. This to me is a poor coaching decision. Baker of course wants to play. ,However, he is not going to bench himself, we have seen that. However it appears benching him this game is in both Baker’s interest and the team. Sit him down coach!!!
November 28th, 2025 at 2:31 pm
Joe … ‘And, at times, when Mayfield has played but not been 100 percent, he could barely throw. The New Orleans game earlier this season and the Carolina game to end the 2023 season are perfect examples. So the Bucs better be able to unleash the run game.’
Yes those 2 games were perfect examples … of what an ineffectivePassing Attack & Rushing Attack looks like, yet we won anyways.
In that 2023 Carolina game (Bucs won 9-0 based on hitting 3 FGs), Baker was 20-of-32 (62.5%) for only 137 yds, 0 TDs & 0 INTs. Our Run Game sucked also, based on 29 rushes for 113 yds (3.9 YPC), 0 TDs. Thankfully our defense showed up that day … Panthers had 9 drives; punted 6 times, had 2 fumbles, and missed 1 FG try.
In that Saints game earlier, Baker was 15-for-24 (62.5% again) for only 152 yds, 0 TDs & 0 INTs. Ironically our Run Game sucked also that game, based on 29 rushes for 88 yds (3.0 YPC), 1 TD. Thankfully our defense showed up that game also … Sains had 11 drives; punted 3 times, out-on-downs twice plus 1 End-of-Game drive, scored 1 FG, and had FOUR turnovers (2 INTs & 2 fumbles).
The Passing Game & the Run Game produced relatively little in both games … 1 TD and 6 FGs total. The Bucs’ DEFENSE was what made the difference. HOPEFULLY the same will hold true this Sunday.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:32 pm
Mistake. Baker will be badly hurt this game.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:36 pm
We’ve experienced a playing-injured Baker and it is not pretty. I love his moxie. idk…maybe Teddy isn’t a great option either. Maybe his showing last week is what he’s showing in practice this week and Baker is the better choice.
Go Bucs?lol
November 28th, 2025 at 2:45 pm
Ariz wins with or without Baker. I know the Bucs –
Even if we pull this out and somehow make playoffs —- we are one and done anyway.
November 28th, 2025 at 2:52 pm
The only thing that was hurt was his ” ego” and the ” injury” avoided the 💩 he was going to hear about for playing like 💩 once again. Funny in 2023, no injury excuse. He ,Godwin, Evans,White, Otton all played 17 games. The defense was 7th or 8th in points allowed,the lowest PPG in about 12-13 years. Yet Baker was 19th in completion % at 64.3. Jordan Love playing in GREEN BAY was 20th@64.2. We were the 20th ranked Offense. Baker was considered a top 15-20 QB. PFF had him at 19. For meaningless volume stats he was like 10-12 and would have been lower if Burrow and Herbert has not missed 30-40% of the season respectively. Kirk Cousins was still very good in 2023 and he missed about half the season. If you exclude W-L and just go off volume stats, Baker had more yards and tds then Lamar that year and Lamar won his Second MVP that year. Shows you how worthless volume stats are. And those 2023 stats were after a HOT 5-1 finish. 5-6 outside the division and 3-5 vs t ams with winning records. And about having new teams/OC SEE SAM DARNOLD the last few years. 3 teams in 3 years and 4 in 5. For the record last year, the Commanders defense gave up MORE points then ours in the regular season and their ROOKIE QB led them to the title game. Their defense gave up over 35 PPG in last year’s playoffs. And Washington had a much inferior roster to ours
November 28th, 2025 at 2:56 pm
I remember 2 years ago you guys were complaining about Canales, saying Godwin was washed and complained about the defense that was 7th or 8th in points allowed and ranked high in turnovers. I get it AlOT of you are OU/Baker fans which is a cult at this point. From blaming everyone BUT him, the million excuses. Fan from the early 90s here since elementary school. This bum isn’t it.
November 28th, 2025 at 3:06 pm
Let him rest.
If we lose to Arizona, we’ll have gotten what we deserved.
November 28th, 2025 at 3:07 pm
Folly
November 28th, 2025 at 3:09 pm
I get the signing of Bridgewater to be a VOICE and EYES when breaking down game play with Baker, BUT, he should have been THIRD string and a SOLID vet QB should be #2. IF we throw Teddy out there, nothing good can happen.
November 28th, 2025 at 3:52 pm
the cardinals are a really good team that does not know how to close the deal and win, gotta run the ball eric rhett style 3 yds and a cloud of rayjay dust age keep pounding the rock. seems like every game they start to get the run going then griz abandons it so baker can throw to guys who are not open
November 28th, 2025 at 3:58 pm
Blah! Blah! Blah. Tampa Fans. Baker plays with heart and courage. The MRI showed a sprain. If the doctors say he can go, he goes. Arizona should have beaten Jags. QB completed long pass to the Jags 10 yard line with 35 seconds left, but Zona receiver started celebrating forgetting the team was out of time outs, so they had to settle for a tie in regulation.
November 28th, 2025 at 4:14 pm
You knew Mayfield would play
If he can play, play him. Shoulders up matters. He’s our leader.
Protect him. Play him. Run the ball. Short and intermediate throws probably
November 28th, 2025 at 4:17 pm
If the Bucs had a good back up, maybe this would be dif
November 28th, 2025 at 4:32 pm
Neutered? Baker is not a running quarterback; his running draws attention because he runs successfully in dramatic situations, out of necessity. These examples are, by definition, rare. Nor does he run often enough to say that the threat of the run is what makes his passing effective. He is an excellent throwing quarterback, as his overall stats show. That he has, on a minority occasions, had bad passing days, injured or not, doesn’t prove that his effectiveness depends on his ability to run the ball. On a small issue, I wonder about the Carolina game since it was at the end of the season and the Bucs OC was vying for an HC job with the Panthers. In fact, both of our recent losses in the playoffs involved OC’s auditioning for promotions on other clubs.
November 28th, 2025 at 4:58 pm
Not sure if it’s Baker pushing to play or Teddy B demonstrating (to coaches) he is no longer capable of putting consistent scoring drives together.
I used the correct punctuation.
November 28th, 2025 at 4:59 pm
His legs still work just fine. Just don’t lower your shoulder and try to take a linebacker.
November 28th, 2025 at 5:00 pm
The sprain of the left shoulder and everything tied into the shoulder that makes it function will ABSOLUTELY have an effect on how he can operate his right shoulder especially with explosive movement when throwing the football!
We have watched his throwing ability degraded before the shoulder sprain.
Of course Baker is going to say he can play… but he will not be effective.
He is one play from separating that shoulder or worse.
November 28th, 2025 at 5:07 pm
Baker starts because a loss to the Cards would doom the Toad’s HC position for next year.
Erickson, you spent a lot of time spewing out that drivel- -save it for you wife and kids.
November 28th, 2025 at 5:26 pm
So does Teddy Toothache have another dentist appointment scheduled for Sunday or something?
November 28th, 2025 at 5:28 pm
Start Teddy, make Baker #2. If things are going well, stick with Teddy.
November 28th, 2025 at 5:44 pm
Our offense had better gibe Bake the protection he needs.
Who’s idea was Bridgewater?
November 28th, 2025 at 6:14 pm
Bowles knows he needs Baker to save his job. It really is that plain and simple.
November 28th, 2025 at 6:36 pm
So we deserve to lose if we can’t win without Baker? What kind of idiotic logic is that ? WTF? Really VA ?
November 28th, 2025 at 6:51 pm
When it is 2nd and 3 don’t throw it for 30 yards. This happens every week. When it’s 3rd and 1 don’t hand the ball off 7 yards deep behind the line of scrimmage. Bowles has no fire and neither does this team.
November 28th, 2025 at 6:57 pm
Bucsfanin Oregon: what part was drivel? It’s not AI or anything? I do use pro football reference tho. Anyone can look up anything I state. If you want to be mature and talk about it one day,id be glad to. I did notice you didn’t contest any of the factual info I put.
November 28th, 2025 at 7:01 pm
Bowles is a dope and I’m starting to think the Bucs front office is also! What are we doing…
November 28th, 2025 at 7:30 pm
Bowles is not just a garbage coach he is actively destroying this team. The sooner the man is off Bucs property the sooner the rebuild can begin. Post (freakin’) haste!
I’m not sure the Glazers understand just how deep in s(p)it this football team has fallen. As much as I like the job that Jason Licht has done over the years he has to be held responsible for allowing Bowles to destroy the team. He should have seen this coming. I’m just a fan and I have been calling this out for years. The Glazers allowed Coen to get out the door. Coordinators turn down HC jobs to wait on good opportunities. Every OC that has been offered an outside position has jumped to strike out on their own. That is a bad sign. Coordinators see it, Fans see it.
Show me someone that is critical of Mayfield and I will show you a fool. He is laying himself on the line again. Last year it was Coen and this year it’s been Mayfield. Bowles has hid behind them both to cover his ineptitude.
Secure Coen 2025. Came and went. It can’t happen again. it’s ugly and it is not going to fix itself. Glazers I hope you are preparing for the offseason. It’s coming directly at you..Last year the Glazers listened to the wrong people. Including Ira Kaufman. Big mistake! Whatever the Glazers need to do they better do it fast. The bottom is falling out.
November 28th, 2025 at 8:15 pm
Man, some of you people need to make up your minds. Paying Baker $30 million isn’t worth it, but you also don’t want to risk him getting hurt while you pay him that. I’m sure the lot of you would have told Joe Burrow to sit out the rest of the season.
These are grown men getting paid a lot of money to play a kids game that they love. They want to play. Football players play hurt all the time because they love the game and their teammates.
While you’re at it, why not sit everyone that is dinged up. Sit Wirfs, Godwin, Bucky, Edwards, Dean, Bredeson, Reddick. Save them for what? A postseason that may never happen?
If they are cleared to play, they play. That’s what they are getting paid for and what they want to do. It’s the nature of the sport. I know I don’t want another Antonio Brown who hoped for a hangnail so he could sit!
November 28th, 2025 at 8:23 pm
Baker 14-30 165 Yards 1 TD and 1 INT. Bucs lose.
November 28th, 2025 at 9:10 pm
Todd needs Baker to have a chance of winning. He knows that. Todd isn’t one to sit Baker. Remember all the worthless injuries Bucs players sustained after the games were decided (Goodwin and Baker). More excellent excuses coming Sunday at 4. Especially if Baker re-injured…
November 28th, 2025 at 9:22 pm
“Moved around perfectly” it’s his shoulder, not his legs. 50% of Mayfield gives the Bucs a better chance then Teddy. I don’t understand the signing of Bridgewater, the guy has no arm. Down field throws off the table. If I was the GM, Trask would still be the back-up here.
November 28th, 2025 at 10:24 pm
I Wish Baker was Joe Burrow !!
Results Matter !!
November 28th, 2025 at 10:36 pm
This injury may be a lot different in terms of how it affects his throwing compared to the oblique injury. As far as the running, I think the knee is ok so he should be able to run. He just cannot try to bulldoze linebackers instead of sliding. Running is his best chance to protect himself. Getting crushed in the pocket is where he could aggravate the injury.
November 28th, 2025 at 10:59 pm
Must win game for Tampa, that is why he is starting. The news about Baker starting has gotten out too: moneyline and point spread moved in Tampa’s direction today. I want the Bucs to win like most of the posters here except for the trolls but this is just people on a national level looking at the Bucs with 6 wins and Zona with 3, putting coin on the Bucs and moving the line. If Bowles goes “Mike Smith” on D as I suspect he will and the special teams give AZ great field position, like I think they will. Zona could jump out to a big lead and our O panics, gets away from the run and goes one-dimensional with the pass, things could get ugly quickly. As I said before, I want the Bucs to win but given the fact that we can safely say Bowles’ ceiling is 10 wins and one playoff win (if the Bucs get a wounded duck in the wildcard) the perhaps losing out can force the Glazers to do a reset, but will they? ****ing Bowles is treated by local media like he is a winning coach with a pedigree like Don Shula but look at the numbers he is 0.500 coach at best.
November 28th, 2025 at 11:19 pm
Why is Jeff always the idiot?
November 28th, 2025 at 11:22 pm
Bowles is desperate for a win, so he’ll make bad decisions here and play an injured Baker. If he has any sense, he’d sit him for two weeks. Prediction: Baker gets injured even more and stays gimpy and ineffective for longer.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:40 am
So it sounds like Baker can move around perfectly. What if he gets re-injured to another part of the body? Cardinals are going to go after him. Baker should rest it up another week or two.
November 29th, 2025 at 6:40 am
I commented soon after the last game that if there was ANY chance Baker could play, they were going to trot him out there lest the world see how idiotic Todd’s decision to jettison KT in favor of TB (w Licht going along with it). And here we are. Why make that move if you’re going to not play the “veteran” backup in this circumstance against a lesser opponent? It’s because TB is that bad. Yet another reason Todd sucks and shouldn’t be allowed to torpedo this team any longer.
November 29th, 2025 at 8:36 am
Crazy macho crap. Coach lets this guy do whatever he wants. He’s only good at 100%!!! We lose when he plays hurt!!!
November 29th, 2025 at 8:48 am
Erickson Cobb Carrier. Can you answer which QB in the NFL has the second most TD passes since the beginning of 2023? How about which NFL QB has the third most passing yards since the beginning of 2023? You are best described as a whiny little kid and I don’t believe there’s a serious fan on this site who puts any stock in anything you say ECC. Baker has proven for 3 years that he’s the man in Tampa. Whatever it takes he’ll be leading the charge to do.
November 29th, 2025 at 2:16 pm
It’s a mild sprain- not even the slightest tear. It’s probably close to 100% healed by now if he didn’t sleep on it. It’s not gonna get worse unless he dives on it. Which would be highly stupid since he can slide.
November 29th, 2025 at 2:19 pm
Also we get rid of Bowles we are heading right into another lost decade.
November 29th, 2025 at 3:26 pm
Kenton Smith: you do know VOLUME stats are not a barometer to determine ANY player and especially a QB. That’s elementary. And fyi, there are A LOT of BUCS (not Baker) fans who don’t think he’s the guy to get us to a SB. Last year Geno Smith was 4th in passing yards and I think he might have even missed a game. So even with all your VOLUME stats NOBODY has Baker as a top 5 QB. Ppl have him in the 12-15 range at best.
November 29th, 2025 at 3:43 pm
ECC, look at QB leaders in tds and yards from 2023 season to now. Geno Smith is nowhere to be found. It’s a list of HOF QBs except for Baker. Look up that list ECC and then see if you don’t feel like a dumba$$.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:06 pm
Volume stats are the barometer EEC. You are eat up with it dude.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:09 pm
Kenton: I know the list because you guys say it all the time. Baker is almost 3rd in attempts. AlOT of better QBs have been Injured the last 3 years and your a dumber a$$. Without looking Im sure Geno had 4300 plus last year and id bet money Geno Smith has more passing yards then Lamar Jackson. Last year Geno Smith threw for WAY more yards then Josh Allen. Volume stats are a poor indicator. I don’t know, some teams that back into the playoffs sit their starter for the last game. When your actually WINNING games and comfortably, your not playing from behind” chaos” ball. It’s common sense.If Baker and the Bucs were better, his stats would have been less idiot. How many games have we seen over these 3 years where Baker had under 50 yards at half and 100 yards going into the 4th and finished with a misleading stat line..A good chunk of the 2023 season Sam Howell was leading the leauge in passing yards. Since we just going off numbers, Quick ….How many 300 yard games does Jacoby Brissett have this year and how many does Baker have? Get back to me on that one
November 29th, 2025 at 4:11 pm
Dumb people are too stupid to realize they are dumba$$es.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:14 pm
Well, there’s always that other stat about QBs who somehow make it to the playoffs. You know, the one that has Baker Mayfield as the QB with the all-time best passer rating in the postseason. Clearly not a “volume stat”.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:21 pm
I wonder if some people here realize that a major reason that a team plays from behind is that their defense is giving up way too many points.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:25 pm
Einstein Scott Mack. Yes. The 2-3 wildcard win with a whooping 2 wildcard wins over a decade career. Let’s talk about it. 2020 in Cleveland…..his team had the ball back with 4 minutes left down by 5. He threw 3 straight incompletions. His team never got the ball back and lost 22-17. His last possession he threw 3 straight incompletions. Clearly you don’t have the NFL package. 2023, as usual trailing majority of the game and getting whooped, when the other team plays prevent when the game is all but decided, Baker turns to his chaos ball like he still in college.Last drive, down by 8 he throws a pick.Season over. Last year . At home against a ROOKIE QB with a defense even worse then Tampa, he fumbled on the teams last drive and they kicked a game winning FG. Yeah, that’s not exactly Captain Clutch. Detroit was better and they were never really in the game. But that Cleveland one they should have won. The Washington game should have been a win.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:31 pm
Scotty Mack….please stop with that 💩. In 2023 the defense was 7th or 8th in lowest PPG allowed. Come on man. That was the lowest PPG totals allowed in about 15 years. And they ranked high in turnovers. Last year the Commanders defense gave up MORE points then ours in the regular season and their rookie QB LED them to the title game. And in the playoffs the Commanders allowed OVER 35 PPG and still got to the title game. But I know,I’m a idiot. Deflect,deflect, deflect.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:36 pm
Actually, McMillan fumbled the ball but the fumble is always given to the QB when the RB/WR cannot hang onto the handoff. Watch the tape. McMillan was clearly in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
You did nothing to refute the best QB rating in the postseason. It is a fact.
Here are some more facts for you …
Only 6 teams have given up more points than the Bucs this season. The Bucs are the only team in the bottom 13 with a winning record.
Over the last 3 games, only one team has given up more points than the Bucs. That team … the Arizona Cardinals.
I have to wonder who in the world these Baker haters out there think the Bucs could have or could have had at QB that would be blowing Baker out of the water, keeping in mind where the Bucs have been picking in the draft the last five seasons. Baker was clearly the best free agent QB when the Bucs nabbed him and there has been no better one since then.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:38 pm
Kenton Smith: guess who is #1 in the NFL since 2022 in passing yards and tds: Jared Goff. Guess who #1 in BOTH categories since 2023: Jared Goff. So, that must mean he’s the best QB in the leauge? I mean he’s way better then Baker but come on man. He did lead his team to a 15 win regular season in a all time great division and the year before he LED his team to the title game. I looked up that since 2022, Geno Smith has way more passing yards then Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow. He also has more passing TDs then Jalen Hurts. Actually, despite rarely playing a full season, Geno has been one of the most productive QBs in the NFL the past 4 years. See how stupid that sounds. Any, literally ANY experienced 30 something QB will put up stats if they play 17 games and throw 35 times a game. Flacco would throw for 4500 yards. Even Brissett would get 4000 with no problem. With 17 games, that’s only 235 yards a game in this pass happy NFL. You guys have to raise the bar. But I guess the Glazers will make a move at GM,HC and QB when it all caves in.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:42 pm
Scotty….lucky for Chiefs,Ravens and Eagles fan tour not a GM for their team. In 2019 Carson Wentz was 26. Went 9-7 and won the weak NFC east. He went over 4000 yards and he had 27td and 7 int. Philly did not have ONE wide out go over 500 yards. The leading rusher had 800 yards. He had just signed an130M contract. They drafted Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round 3 months after the season. If you were the GM of the Chiefs you would still e trotting out Alex Smith trying to improve the defense. You all want a pro bowl tightens and every other position but just trot out a journey at QB. The games most critical position.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:48 pm
Scotty: I love how you gloss over the 2023 defense and the Commanders defense in 2024. You are part of the Baker cult. If Baker played in just about ANY other division he would be winning 6 games a year. Even Green Bay moved up a few spots to take Jordan love when Rogers was 36. And sorry but 2020-2022 Rogers is 10x the QB Baker could ever dream of being. The ideal time to take a QB is before you go 3-14 and forced to or pressured to reach for one. It’s unlikely you will have the #1 pick when a Andrew Luck or Burrow is available. This is as good as it gets with him. I’m tired of watching it. This the ceiling. I know we don’t live in ” it’s” but imagine had Atlanta packaged up to take Maye in 2024 instead of taking Penix at 8 or 9. That would have been it for a decade starting in 2025. You have to look at it like a arms race.
November 29th, 2025 at 4:50 pm
Erickson Cobb Carrier … in other words, you cannot name a QB that the Bucs could have gotten that is better than Baker.
November 29th, 2025 at 5:03 pm
Unlike you and other Baker zealots,I’m man enough to admit when I’m wrong and or someone else is right. I basically think he’s about the best the team could have got. I think Geno winning 9 games in the NFC West certainly could have been winning the NFC South but I would take Baker dye to the fact he is 4 years younger. Now, I do think Darnold is the best QB to switch teams in the last few years but it’s like Minnesota discovered him on accident. No way they could have planned on him putting up those numbers and Winning 14 games last year. I do thinkl the bigger, 2 year younger DArnold has supplanted Baker as the 3rd best QB from the 2018 draft. But realistically, there was no QB available in free agency or they the draft who was better. And id bet cash money Trask would NOT have put up the numbers or had the same (limited) success. Now my question for you…..does that prevent you from at least ” trying” to get one of those dudes? Just because he was the best or close to option doesn’t mean he is devoid of criticism like anyone else?
November 29th, 2025 at 9:40 pm
Criticism is easy. What is your plan to improve the QB position? What are you going to give up for whatever QB you think is available and you are 100% positive is better than Baker?
Who are the dozen QBs in the league that you KNOW are better than Baker? What have they ever done to prove that? How in the world are you going to pry them from their current teams?
Plenty of Superbowls have been won with less than stellar QBs. Of course, those have been won by teams with major league kick-ass defenses. If you want to know what the real problem is with the team, it’s the defense, not the quarterback. Every QB looks better when he gets better field position and the ball a few more times per game because the team’s got a great defense. Pretty much all of Tom Brady’s Superbowl winning teams were ones that had great defenses.
And yes, Baker had a great defense his first year when he was new to the team, learning yet another new offensive scheme with a rookie signal caller who was not very great at it. Canales was very similar to Grizzard now except Grizzard has been handicapped in a major way with major losses to the wide receiver room and offensive line – something Canales did not have to deal with at all.
November 29th, 2025 at 11:03 pm
So he needs a good defense, Oline, back, receivers and a healthy team+ cohesion? So tell me he’s limited without telling me he’s limited..The whole Brad Johnson/Trent Dilfer/Young Tom Brady argument as to why you don’t need a very good to great QB is dated. That was a different time..The worse QBs to win a SB in the last 20 years are Flacco,Eli, Russell Wilson and the Wentz/Foles duo of 2017. Flacco was very good and a had a historic postseason-Baltimore defense was NOT very good in 2012- especially the playoffs. Russell could be a HOF QB, Eli might as well. Very close with those 2 and that was almost 15 years ago. The last 10-12 years it’s been ALL hof QBs. The last bad QB was a washed up Peyton in 2015. That’s over a decade ago. When Wentz went down he was in his second year and the front runner for MVP Foles was about 28 and a former playoff/pro bowl QB. As far as who to draft? I don’t know,I’m not a scout. But probowl/MVP/hof QBs will be drafted……all in the same place. The draft is not a magical place only a few clubs have access to. I’m not Mel Kiper. I wasn’t familiar with Pat Mahomes or Jayden Daniels going into their final college season. I didn’t know Joe Burrow had elite traits. Sounds like you want to settle and expect a guy in his 30 s with 100+ starts to be someone he’s not. And the new team/ HC thing is weak. Sam Darnold is winning the last 2 years in the best division+ putting up stats+ driving prolific offenses. He’s been on more teams then Baker. Your NUTS if you want to pay Baker 40M/45M. Good God what a disaster. If they don’t extend him this off season,2026 will be his last year here.. Man he gets AlOT of excuses. Can you tell me what do you disagree with me on? Burrow, Allen, Lamar and certainly Mahomes have the cliche, pedigree to be given the benefit of the doubt. They are all hall of famers and all younger then Baker..Their teams are going to ride with them at least 3-5 more seasons atca minimum, regardless. Baker doesn’t have that luxury. He is very limited. Sounds to me like you want to keep him here until it all caves in and clean house.
November 29th, 2025 at 11:41 pm
I’ve seen some psychos on this thing but never a moronic psycho like Cobb. I’m talkin moronic
November 29th, 2025 at 11:45 pm
I like how the little child ECC brings up the fact Baker isn’t top 5 AFTER a season like we have had while after 6 games Baker was the #1 QB in the league. Nice try buffoon but not even close to a cigar.
November 29th, 2025 at 11:47 pm
Oh yes and AFTER Baker has played hurt for 5 games. Not a chance in he11 corn Cobb
November 29th, 2025 at 11:50 pm
“Than Baker” Cobb not “Then Baker. How can anyone take you serious when you aren’t smart enough to conquer your own language? Come on!!!
November 30th, 2025 at 12:21 am
No no and bucblind: I’m not offended because I know 2 things, your not Bucs fans and your not successful in life. No way would you be content with a ” hand me down, journeyman” QB. And at what point was Baker the best QB in the leauge???? So I guess he’s been hurt 7/8 years. No weapons,everyone hurt….the only thing Baker leads the leauge in is excuses every year. Funny this year,3-0 vs losing teams, 3-5 vs winning teams ….as per usual. Last 3 games team has averaged nearly 150 yards on the ground and over 5 per carry but Baker ” has no help”. He hurt,everyone hurt, blah,blah,blah. Bet he has a big game tomorrow against Arizona. How convenient. Its sad how much you all support a mediocre QB/product. At what point this year was he on the level with Maye, Stafford,Goff or even Dak?
November 30th, 2025 at 12:26 am
Name calling on the internet….cool. That’s really tough. Well it’s more BUCS fans then you want to admit that are questioning Baker and or think he is limited. Do you think it’s just 5 or 6 guys all over these forums,facebook and YouTube talking 💩 about Baker? No it’s not lol. The numbers and stats are being talked about. AlOT of ppl will be unhappy with anything less than a NFC title game THIS YEAR.