The Kind Of Stats That Get People Fired II

November 6th, 2023

Joe can barely believe the stats concerning how Todd Bowles’ defense ole’ed so badly playing matador defense to allow Houston rookie C.J. Stroud to win the game yesterday.

These facts are absolutely horrific to Joe and if Joe didn’t know any better, the Ghosts of Bucs Nightmares Past came back to haunt the franchise — defensive coordinator Mike Smith, cornerbacks Alterraun Verner and Vernon Hargreaves and safeties Sabby the Goat and Chris Conte.

Get a load of what Mike Sando of The Athletic dug up about how Stroud’s 75-yards, 40-seconds touchdown drive to beat the Bucs yesterday.

… Teams in similar situations — needing a touchdown to tie or win, having at least 75 yards to go, having 30-60 seconds left in regulation — lose almost every time. The Texans were in better shape than most, having preserved two timeouts. Still, the odds against them were steep.

Since 2000, teams facing that situation had been 0-74 with fewer than two timeouts and 2-20 otherwise, per TruMedia. Stroud helped Houston claim the third victory from those dire circumstances (teams with less than 30 seconds were 0-130).

That game yesterday wasn’t just about coaching, it wasn’t just players playing poorly. That was a complete and total fundamental breakdown — starting with Bowles and going down to the bottom of the roster.

You cannot tell Joe that the Bucs defense collapsed like a game of Jenga in a Dunedin dive bar because Jamel Dean had a concussion. When did he turn into Mel Blount?

Remember yesterday when Joe wondered if yesterday’s embarrassment was Bowles’ Tennessee-Ready moment or his Capitol Collapse/”You Like That!” game? After reading Sando’s intel, yesterday’s loss was likely closer to Capitol Collapse/”You Like That!” than Tennessee-Ready.

What a gutless defensive effort!

64 Responses to “The Kind Of Stats That Get People Fired II”

  1. Boss Says:

    Team quit on bowls.

    fire him now or risk a lot of injuries.

    guys chasing butterflies tend to get injured.

  2. StormyInFl Says:

    I wish the Glazers would make an exception to the rule and launch Bowles.

  3. Marine Buc Says:

    It’s always darkest before you fire the head coach…

    If this team can’t beat the Texans or Falcons – who can they beat?

  4. LVMYBUCS Says:

    Bowles should have never been the head coach in the first place standing on the sideline looking stupid as if he doesn’t know what’s happening freak idiot. Best talent Bucs have a had in a long time and he blows it.

  5. Mark Says:

    Silver linings, Joe

    – There can be no doubt that coaching is the most significant contributor to the Bucs problem. No matter what happens during the result of the season, this is on Bowles’ record forever, just like the collapse vs. the Rams. No one can be fooled into thinking he will ever coach this team (or any other) to the Super Bowl.

    – There is plenty of time to try out young and untested players during this lost season, and accumulate tape for the next coaching staff.

    – The Panthers messed up and did not pick CJ Stroud (can you imagine having to deal with that guy 2x a year?).

  6. EEK Says:

    is anyone fired yet?

    I think the fans will be asking this everyday until the answer is yes

  7. Derek Says:

    I think the team has quit. Multiple guys not happy with their contracts, and Bowles not being able to relate to the players and being a stingy SOB.

  8. Popcorn Mike Says:

    Boss you’re right, the team quit on Bowles which means he has lost the locker room. 1 post today on this site said 3 of the top receivers Sunday on the Texans team. Then I remember checking the stats for the game and the Texans had 3 receivers over a 100 yards yesterday. The team just didn’t have no energy. It’s just sad and depressing to have to watch another 9 games of this when you’re a true Bucs fan

  9. Boss Says:

    anybody still blaming brady?


    now we have hope!

    Todd will be gone. I would bet, short of a BM injury, that he never puts Trask in. That will be his nail in the coffin. well…the last nail anyway

  10. Joe Says:

    There is plenty of time to try out young and untested players during this lost season, and accumulate tape for the next coaching staff.

    You really think Bowles wants to give dudes tryouts for the next coach? LOL No way.

    (Glazers have never removed a coach midseason — and with only 1.5 games behind in NFC South, highly unlikely team will launch Operation Shutdown.)

  11. mat Says:

    It should have been 36 seconds instead of 46 as well. Todd Bowles abysmal clock management when he used a timeout instead of allowing the 10 second runoff increased the Texans’ chances significantly.

    What if Baker Mayfield had taken a sack? That would have taken more than 10s off the clock. There is no excuse for Bowles to make that mistake.

    Plus what is Harold Goodwin being paid for? His running game is bad and as the assistant head coach it is his job to help the HC with clock management.

    Just a poor coaching job all around and that is not making excuses for individual poor play in the secondary,

  12. Mostly Peaceful Trask Fan Says:

    But Joe we got Baker Mayfield and lead in the turnover differential. He had his best game of the season.

    It’s all good brother. Bakey is going to dink and dunk us to the promised land.

  13. unbelievable Says:

    Bowles just isn’t a good head coach.

    Simple as that.

  14. realistic-optimistic Says:

    If a team hasn’t done X for a really long time, or they’ve been horrible at Y for a while, guaranteed they’ll fix it against Bowles.

    It feels like Bowles doesn’t even watch film on his opponents. If he did, his defenders might jump a rout once in a while. Imagine defenders diagnosing a play and beating the receiver to the spot! Instead Bowles’ defenders are 10 yards off, always allow the catch, then HOPE to tackle for a minimal gain. Never anticipating the offense…

  15. Popcorn Mike Says:

    Derek I am not sure it’s much about contract it’s more of players just tied of losing. You saw what players were saying about the Raiders. They were just tied of losing and tied of the BS from the HC.

  16. Old fan Says:

    So starting with the abysmal play calling in the playoffs against the Rams… where even Bruce Arians was furious…Todd Bolwes has now lost 4 games, including the recent one against the Falcons and last one against the Texans by the worst DC calling possible. Why oh why is he head coach and DC … he can’t do either!!!! 4 games where we have 45 seconds left and all he does is blitz… when, when is he going to learn it doesn’t work. Play zone, give up short yardage stop them getting into field goal range, eat up the time. Last weekend was worse ever… blitzed us into giving up a touchdown when all he had to do was stop them going 75yds in 45 secs…

  17. Tbbucs3 Says:

    In terms of firing Bowels midseason, Harold Godwin has experience as interm head coach when Arians was out for covid in 2021 so I’m assuming thats who you go to …..

    Then Kacy Rogers and Larry Foote will manage the defense.

    I really believe theres a good chance Bowles is out the door in 7 days if Will Levis lights you up and a home loss to the Titans. So Bowles better be “Tennessee Ready”

  18. MrWAK Says:

    Funny we aren’t hearing much about the “Gravediggazs” these days!!

  19. Hodad Says:

    Just watched Bowles presser, what a downer. Bowles has had it, he’s shot. Same old we got to play it better, coach it better, simple as that! Wait I’m confusing Bowles with Lovie, hell what’s the difference. Hopefully Bowles will have something more in common with Lovie, Ex Buc head coach.

  20. Tye Says:

    Then FIRE the Mo Fo and let’s get out from his curse!

  21. Aubpierce Says:

    Bowles should resign for the good of the team and work out a monetary deal with the Glazers.

  22. Jack Clark Says:

    “That game yesterday wasn’t just about coaching, it wasn’t just players playing poorly. That was a complete and total fundamental breakdown — starting with Bowles and going down to the bottom of the roster.”

    Hey Joe, does Todd 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 Bowles need to get back to the “fundamentals” of not giving up 70 yards and a touchdown with 40 seconds left to go in the fourth quarter?! 🤡

  23. unbelievable Says:

    Bowles will be the HC for the rest of the season, barring something absolutely insane happening.

    The Glazers don’t fire coaches mid season.

    That said, let’s not stop informing them that we want Bowles gone!

  24. Popcorn Mike Says:

    Unbelievable: that’s the bad part of this mess, we have to watch this 9 more games. I just don’t see much improvement coming

  25. Irish Laughter Says:

    I still think that the Bucs have it in them to overcome this stretch of bad luck. Yes, Bowles is not a good HC. He proved that last year, this year, and with the NYJ. There is a lot of skepticism as to why it didn’t work last year with Brady. Brady didn’t say much publicly after the season was over and he would never cast blame on anyone but himself. Baker can win, but the defense is uninspired. The team needs the HC to be a leader not a best friend who makes excuses for them when they don’t play well. Anyway, I still think the Bucs will turn it around and show what they really can do. Keep the faith and keeping it real in Ireland.

  26. Tbbucs3 Says:

    The Bucs need to
    – Fire Bowles if there’s a home loss to the Titans
    – Stop playing “Country Roads” song at home games
    – Put Gruden back in the ROH

    Stop making this a soft organization that values good PR over winning.

  27. The Beer Whisperer Says:

    The good news: Bucs scored 37 points.
    The bad news: They needed 40.

  28. mark2001 Says:

    It isn’t like Mahomes did this to us, and that would be bad enough. It was a rookie QB on a below average team. Enough said. I think we need a new HC as soon as the season ends to really evaluate this talent and hopefully keep the right guys, ditch the deadwood, and we get a top 5 or 10 pick in every round to rebuild. Otherwise, it will be a long and painful trip back to the dark ages.

  29. Old fan Says:

    Is he just stupid, incompetent or plain clueless…
    no wait a min… he’s all themrre

  30. DS Says:

    That games is Bowles’s Scarlet Letter

  31. BigBucJoe Says:

    Am I the only one not surprised? Has everyone forgotten the Rams playoff game, the Browns last year, the Falcons this year, and the fact that this defense just hasn’t been very good since the Super Bowl?!?!?!

  32. Doc Says:

    No one is calling for the replacement of this G.M. who has the team in salary cap hell and put together this roster. Everyone is blaming Bowles and not the O.C. who for weeks stinks. Wonder why just Bowles ?

  33. BucfaninMi Says:

    Did y’all forget, the Bucs can’t beat back ups and rookies.

  34. BucfaninMi Says:

    If I were the opposing HC, guaranteed victory start the back up. 100% successful

  35. SB~LV Says:

    CJ Stroud showed what a 2023 NFL arm looks like.
    If Trask is not it and Mayfield certainly is not it, well folks we are in the market again for our own franchise QB derby.
    From front office to the lowest team supporting staff this town is due for a complete overhaul.
    Why have we not got our speed WR’s in the mix ???
    Get Tompkins in the defensive backfield on the move and he will take it to the house. He has the best moves on the roster in the open field!

  36. It's Corn Says:

    I feel like Bowles isn’t very good at the head coaching duties, but still loves being a defensive coordinator.

    Rather than let someone else be the DC, he tries to do that, AND be head coach, and does neither one well.

    I think he is way over-rated as a DC, and is not good with HC responsibilities either. But he’s particularly bad when he can’t focus on either exclusively.

    He’s an over-elevated position coach, sadly.

  37. unbelievable Says:

    Doc Says:
    November 6th, 2023 at 4:41 pm
    No one is calling for the replacement of this G.M. who has the team in salary cap hell and put together this roster. Everyone is blaming Bowles and not the O.C. who for weeks stinks. Wonder why just Bowles ?


    Oh Doc, please spare us this BS. The team is in salary cap hell cuz they want all-in on the Brady years, and EVERYONE was behind those moves, which got us a Super Bowl win, and close to another one.

    As for Bowles – he is the HEAD COACH. The buck stops with him.

    When your team is lifeless for 4 weeks in a row, playing sloppy, soft, and undisciplined, it’s a reflection of the head coach. Canales can take a hike with him, they both need to go.

  38. Ultra ClodHopper Says:

    Lol. You just gotta laugh. Pathetic

  39. SlyPirate Says:

    The ineptitude of the coaches is being magnified by the lack of player participation. The team is losing and creating a losing culture. A losing will drive fans away and then they’ll have to work to regain trust.

    The Raiders fired their HC to send a message to the fans that a brighter future is around the corner. The Bucs retaining Bowles are sending a message they will tolerate a horrible product.

  40. Mostly Peaceful Trask Fan Says:

    Listen guise. I know it seems rough right now, but we got Baker Mayfield! He’s better than Tom Brady! We can still go 9-8 and win this division!

    Come on guise!

  41. Old fan Says:

    I just read the above stats… OMG it’s worse than I thought
    “Since 2000, teams facing that situation had been 0-74 with
    Fewer than two timeouts and 2-20 otherwise.”

    The bucs have let 3 teams do it to us since 2000……
    We’re the only ones… Todd Bolwes for DC… he’s the best
    ….at being the worst….

  42. Alanbucsfan Says:

    4 TD’s and a RB FG in 2nd half

  43. Jugheadfla Says:

    Just checking in….Bowels fired yet?

  44. SBucs Says:

    Fired men walking. Clean house starting with Jason Doofus, keep Wirfs, Godwin, Winfield, Camarata, Kancey, a very few others, trade whatever you can. Bring in a real GM and coaching staff. The only problem I see is the Glasers wouldn’t be able to find either a good GM or coaching staff if it hit them on the nose

  45. Bring back the lawn chairs Says:

    Will Levis be prepared to have a career day against tampa this week. Be sure to have your publicist on hand to record all the highlights as there will be so many! Thank me later for the heads up!

  46. Mostly Peaceful Trask Fan Says:

    Come on everyone don’t get down!



    Captain Checkdown will dance in the pocket all the way to victory – 4 yards at a time!

    266 yards? 2 TDs?




  47. gotbbucs Says:

    The only thing saving Bowles is that nationally, nobody cares about the Bucs or Texans. If the Cowboys had shat the bed like that it would be trending on X. The Bucs dropping that deuce barely even registered as a blip on NFL media. CJ Stroud is the story, the Bucs ineptitude was expected and not surprising.

  48. Capt.Tim Says:

    Has Bowles been fired yet?
    Yeah, we know. The defense( and our Offensive stars) all quit on Bowles.
    Thats how players get rid of Coaches they don’t believe in.
    Anyone who watched yesterday knows that.

    Chris Conte was a good Safety. He was just put in bad spots, by a shi**y defensive scheme.

  49. Rod Munch Says:

    That game yesterday wasn’t just about coaching, it wasn’t just players playing poorly. That was a complete and total fundamental breakdown — starting with Bowles and going down to the bottom of the roster.


    First, I put it 100% on coaching. Bowles plays safe at the end, is literally running clock – then the idiot takes a timeout to stop the clock when he just before that play was trying to run the clock. It’s on of the all-time stupid coaching moves. I wouldn’t say that if he wasn’t trying to run the clock before that – but that was Bowles plan, and then when presented with a mild brain teaser a 10-year old could solve, he panicked and made the wrong call. If that doesn’t happen – the Texans flat out do not win.

    But, with that said, it is worth point out that Stroud was on fire and making some amazing throws. Give the kid some credit. Of course he might not have caught on fire had Bowles not just sat back in his soft zone with no pressure the entire second half – until the second to last series, only to go back to a prevent defense on that last series.

    Mindbogglingly stupid decision by this incredibly stupid and inept coaching staff.

    Devin White had an amazing first half – and this idiot Bowles gets a 7-point lead, and thinks it’s a 45-point lead and calls off the pressure. Why did this moron do that? Did anyone in the press ask him about it? Did anyone in the press drill him about why Davis continues to sit back in zone defense the entire day when it’s clearly not working? Of course not – not that it matters, because Bowles wouldn’t have any answer anyways.

  50. Jerseybuc Says:

    WOW just WOW. Yep you’re right that’s a bad stat. I honestly still can’t believe what we watched yesterday total joke.

  51. Beej Says:

    We put up 37 points, Baker drives 61 yards at crunch time , (including running for a first on 4th and 2), passes for the go ahead touchdown with less than a minute left, but BAKER is the problem?

  52. Lombardi Lenny Says:

    This team is cancerous.
    The player are all too comfortable with each other.
    The coaches are too comfortable and feel they’re safe.

    It’s time to make an example out of some people and send them packing.
    The front office sucks so bad that they couldn’t even recognize that dumping players for draft picks last week was the right move. Now look at us, we are totally F’d

  53. 74 Bucs Fan Says:

    Baker is not the problem Beej, the problem is that he is not the answer.

  54. Rod Munch Says:

    Beej – Baker’s best game of the season was 250 yards and 2 TDs. That’s the problem.

    Also, Mike had to make an incredible catch to come back and get that underthrown ball – which actually isn’t a problem since that’s what Mike is paid to do. But it’s not like it was some great throw.

    On a day when it was clear the game would be a shootout, the Bucs had to settle for 3 FGs. That’s another huge issue.

    In any case don’t pretend like Mayfield had some amazing day, he didn’t. He had 250 yards, 2 TDs and didn’t turn it over and the Bucs lost. He’s Mike Glennon. And I didn’t like Mike Glennon then, and I don’t like him now.

  55. Darin Says:

    Where you FIRE BOWLES guys been hiding? This is nothing new. He won’t get fired during the season which is why I was screaming it in the off season. Is that a canales floating in the bowles?

  56. Tbbucs3 Says:

    “In any case don’t pretend like Mayfield had some amazing day”

    Lol nearly outdueled the a record setting QB and threw a go ahead TD with a minute left

    Rod and Mostly Peaceful Trask Stan are so triggered they cant blame this loss on Mayfield…..

    So instead they mock a really good stat line of 266 yards 2 TDs and 0 Ints which reflects their lack of knowledge for NFL football.

  57. Beeej Says:

    “That’s the best you’re gonna get in this price range”

  58. orlbucfan Says:

    God, if an alien looked at this blog, they would figure it’s anti-Bucs. How about figuring out how to help the team and no more firing coaches? And out coaching refs like Dungy did and BA pulled off cos of Methusaleh. No ref would mess with the ancient goat even though he had the best supporting cast in Bucs history.

  59. Crickett Baker Says:

    I think under the circumstances that Baker did much better than you seem to think, Rod, but I completely agree with your earlier post. You laid it all out much better than I could have, too.

  60. David Says:

    After watching for two years, the problem is Todd Bowles resorts to a four-man pass rush and zone every single time towards the end of a game and trying to maintain a lead.
    This team sucks at zone (that’s coaching) and has no four-man pass rush. He’s a great DC but he has a couple major flaws.

  61. Buckeyebuckchuck Says:

    Jets scored 2TD in last 2 minutes to clip the Browns last year 31-30 Joe. Doesn’t take the sting out of this one, but weird crap happens.

  62. D-Rok Says:


  63. m Says:

    bowles defense has a history of blowing games late… remember cooper kupp and the rams in the playoffs? the first thing i said after cades touchdown was they left too much time on the clock for that sad defense, they should have taken that ten second run off and run the ball once before scoring leave the texans with 17 seconds instead of 42… they seem close to turning these close losses into wins but they need leaders on defense to hold everyone accountable

  64. m Says:

    you think that would’ve happened to sapp brooks and barber? no way