Todd Bowles And Wins

July 20th, 2023

This is to give all members of the Kyle Trask Cult hope.

Reason, logic and facts do not help these people. Trask, to these people, is Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach and Joe Burrow rolled into one.

The man never does anything wrong. Getting blasted by Oklahoma? It’s the receivers’ fault for quitting on the Gators. Not shining in Bucs practice? It’s because those mean coaches won’t let him practice with the ones. They’re out to get him, you know!

Picks in practice? That’s the rotten plays Byron Leftwich called. Or, of course, the quality of backup receivers. Having a quarterback make others around him better? That’s not Trask’s responsibility, the cultists say. Trask is the most persecuted quarterback this side of, well, Baker Mayfield.

So Joe is here to offer hope to the cult.

If Todd Bowles is safe to return next season, or if Team Glazer has given Bowles assurances he will return as Bucs coach in 2024, Trask just may start.

So is Bowles safe? Frank Schwab of Yahoo! takes a look.

Does Todd Bowles need a winning season?

In Bowles’ first full season as a head coach he went 10-6 with the New York Jets. In four seasons as a head coach since he’s 22-43 with four losing seasons. … The worst moment for Bowles last season might have been when he mismanaged the end of what proved to be an overtime loss at the Cleveland Browns. The Buccaneers turned over a lot of their coaching staff, and usually when that happens it means the head coach is under some pressure the upcoming season. … He should get some leeway given the transition from the Tom Brady era, However, the NFL is an impatient business.

Mr. Schwab, it’s a bit more complex than just “leeway.”

For example, let’s say the Baker Mayfield Project fails. No big deal. Draft a quarterback in April. Simple. Team Glazer likely would be 110 percent behind that strategy. However, do you want Bowles to develop a rookie? His history with first- and second-day drafted rookie quarterbacks is bad, 0-2.

Also, failure in 2023 would be Bowles’ fifth-straight losing season as a head coach. Very, very few coaches survive that. And the less than a handful that did, they didn’t exactly flip their franchises into a consistent Super Bowl contender.

(Hall of Fame Cowboys head coach Tom Landry lost his first five seasons in the NFL  He had a 7-7 record in his sixth season and recorded his first winning record in his seventh season, the same year Super Bowl I was played.)

So if Team Glazer gives Bowles a mulligan for the first season of the post-Tom Brady era, Trask has a real shot to start.

But Bowles knows he needs wins, so there’s no way a QB with only nine pass attempts starts — unless Trask so outplays Mayfield in training camp and in the two controlled scrimmages with the Jets that Bowles cannot take him off the field.

That’s sort of what rookie Russell Wilson did to Matt Flynn with Seattle, despite the Seahawks heavily investing in free agent Flynn.

33 Responses to “Todd Bowles And Wins”

  1. Larrd Says:

    I am much more worried about the head coach position than I am worried about the quarterback position. Has Bowles ever accepted that he blew the Browns game? That he blew the Rams game and a shot at a second Super Bowl?

    If he can’t see, or won’t acknowledge, how will he get better?

  2. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Remember when the Bucs got blasted by the national media for firing Lovie Smith for going 8-24 as head?

    Yeah, for a team like the Bucs who seem to care so much about optics nowadays, firing Bowels is not going to be as easy as removing Gruden from the ROH.

  3. Anonymous Says:

    The league is going down the route of offensive minded HC’s. Defensive minded HC’s do not work anymore and Bowles is going to do terrible this season because he’s a bad head coach it’s as simple as that. The sooner he is fired the better the future of this team will be. He is a losing head coach plain and simple.

  4. HC Grover Says:

    If our opponents can stuff the run it will be a disaster.

  5. BucU Says:

    Bowles must be one arrogant SOB to continue to be HC and defensive coordinator.

  6. Defense Rules Says:

    I’m not sure that any of us … fans or media or coaches … have any idea YET what to expect from the Bucs this year. And yes, that’s offensively, defensively AND Special Teams. There are a multitude of unanswered questions that will only be resolved on the football field.

    Can Dave Canales put together solid game plans, design plays optimized for the talent that we have, and play-call effectively to keep drives moving forward & score points?

    Can Baker Mayfield or Kyle Trask manage this team on the field effectively enough to allow us to compete?

    Can our ‘weapons’ like White, Vaughn, Evans, Godwin, Gage, Otton & others shine in this offense, whatever it ends up looking like?

    Can our OLine recover from its miserable 2022 performance and kick butt in the trenches?

    Can our defense effectively stop the run, improve its pass rush, and return to the Top-10 ranks like it was in 2020 & 2021?

    Can our Special Teams be special for a change?

    And those are just for starters. HOPEFULLY we’ll see progress towards answering the multitude of questions surrounding our Bucs when preseason training camp opens next week.

  7. SufferingSince76 Says:

    Would he even be the head coach if for not for BA’s shenanigans (stepping down)?

  8. Boss Says:



    after ruining the GOAT and BA’s offense while making horrible in game calls that cost us games because he plays not to lose rather than playing to win.

    leeway??? GTFO

  9. stpetebucfan Says:

    As usual I agree with D.R. NOBODY really knows how the Bucs will perform and there is a broad range of possibilities from losing to winning.

    Forrest Gump did a great job of describing this season’s Bucs. Actually it was Forrest’s mom who said, “Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re going to get.”

  10. Pickgrin Says:

    “Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re going to get.”

    Until you realize there is a chart on the top of the box showing exactly what you are getting in each slot…..

    I’ll tell you exactly what we are going to get from the 2023 Bucs – in general terms of course

    A good to very good defense (ranked somewhere between 3>12)…

    An improved offense that can run the ball effectively and scores an average of 22-25 ppg…

    An improved yet still very average special teams….

    This adds up to 9 or 10 regular season wins. (8 at worst, 11 at best)

  11. Dooley Says:

    “Until you realize there is a chart on the top of the box showing exactly what you are getting in each slot…..”

    The way I just hollered lol because as a chunky yute back in the day, I ate half a box of chocolate laxatives being a greedy little sh*t and exactly at that moment and ever since the whole “reading is fundamental” thing has been a way of life.

  12. Pickgrin Says:


    No – what was that word?

    Did you say YUTE?

    What is a YUTE?


  13. Dooley Says:


    All my grandparents speak patoi, sue me lol

  14. Tombsen Says:

    I haven’t posted on here in a while bc the constant negativity was annoying….but again why do people suggest Bowles was responsible for the offense sucking so bad last year? You all take one quote that Bowles made (TB also made the same quote) about running the ball more “effectively and efficiently” and made it to wehre Bowles just jacked up the offense. Last years offense lost Marpet, Jensen, Gronk, AB, and Smith was a shell of himself and CG was getting back from blowing out his ACL.

    Bowels was not responsible for that!! BL could not adjust and Bowles was stuck with him. It’s like some posters just want to be illogical all the time and just throw out the everything that happened last season.

  15. chark Says:

    Defense may not be good and that is bowles last saving grace as anything constructive to the organization.

  16. Mostly Peaceful Trask Fan Says:

    We keep hearing about these fabled terrible practices Trask had while running the SCOUT TEAM.

    Yet he had a very good preseason last year. I guess I’m not supposed to believe my lying eyes. Players are saying good things about Trask this off-season. Mike Evans said he’s seen big strides in Trask’s game. Is Evans lying? Players are reporting it looking 50-50 right now in off-season. Trask is making a credible run at the job by all accounts. Are those players lying?

    If Trask is making this a real competition and is giving the immortal God of Moxie a run for his money in OTAs and Mini-Camp he can’t be all that bad can he? After all Moxie almost beat the Chiefs that one time when Mahomes got hurt and didn’t play the second half.

    Joe you’ll get your wish in all likelihood. I mean after all the interviews Baker has given how can you not start the guy? The Bucs will bend to the “conventional wisdom” and give him the ball.

    Then they’ll be 0-4 at the bye and we’ll see Trask.

    I wouldn’t be shocked though if we see some compelling play from Trask this preseason forcing out the rubber stamp.

    Then what?

    Buckle up.

  17. Pickgrin Says:

    Dooley – that’s a direct quote from the movie “My Cousin Vinny”.

    God bless Herman Munster….

  18. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Those early 60’s Cowboys were Texan owned, Texan coached and their best players on offense and defense (Don Meredith and Bob Lilly) were Texans.
    It was a different era.
    Otto Graham QB’d Browns to 10 straight championship games- would anyone compare him to Brady?
    Mayfield and Bowles are under modern day pressure to perform well and they won’t be given many mulligans.

  19. unbelievable Says:

    Holy Hyperbole.

    There’s maybe 1 single delusional poster on this site who has said anything like “Task is Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach and Joe Burrow all rolled into one” lol.

  20. Defense Rules Says:

    StPete … ‘Forrest Gump did a great job of describing this season’s Bucs.’

    Nailed it StPete. Of course the line ‘Run Forrest run’ might also apply. We’ll just have to wait & see I guess.

  21. captivajim Says:

    bowles ia an arrogant SOB person as HC or DC

  22. SlyPirate Says:


    Clue 1:
    Record over the first six years.
    W L
    6 10
    7 9
    7 9
    11 5
    5 11
    5 11

    Any idea? When would you have fired them?

    Clue 2:
    After 5 losing seasons in six years, this coach went on to have 19 consecutive winning seasons.

    Clue 3:
    Both he and Todd Bowles from the Bill Parcells coaching tree.

    Clue 4:
    He coached Tom Brady to 6 Super Bowl victories.

    I’m willing to give Bowles a few years to get his team right.

  23. Boss Says:

    comparing toilet bowl to billicheat LOL that is funny

    Dungy maybe, but Dungy was a good HC. just not a closer. toilet bowl may stack the D and hang in there for a while……but he WILL NEVER take a team to the SB much less develop an offense.

    anyone who loses games like he does for in game calls is not a “winner”. he’s a moron.

    attack dog on the D but a miniature poodle with a peanut brain on the O and game management.

  24. Buc4evr Says:

    Todd Bowles and wins don’t belong in the same sentence.

  25. Jolly Roger Says:

    Bowels was a big reason for BAs and BLs offense being so ugly. He wanted more ball control rather than no risk it no biscut. BL got fired. Bowels did not. He could be a good coach if he let his team play to its strengths instead of trying to force the offense to be what it isn’t. BAs mentality was to make the most of the players strengths. TBs mentality is to look like a deer in the headlights…kinda like DK. DK was way to weak as a coach and in over his head. I see the same thing from Bowels.

  26. Infomeplease Says:

    Anyone who listens to and watches Todd Bowles should know he is not head coach material! The fact that his best record as a head coach was his first as a head coach is a clue. His record went down hill from there!! Even last season, he took a superbowl caliber team and by implementing the ” Todd Bowles ” way of doing things, turned them into losers!

    Those who point out all the excuses for him are mistaken!!!!! He as Head Coach, is totally responsible for how his team performs!! Todd Bowles by making excuses instead of adjustments, single handedly brought about the losing season!

    Every team in the NFL gets injuries!! Some more than others. That’s why the roster has 53 plus a practice squad!!!! Good coaches work around injuries. Scheme around them. Emphasize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses!! You can’t blame Leftwich for the collapse of production! If you can then Bowles, as Head coach, should have gotten rid of him after week 8 or so!!!! If you blame the run game, then Bowles, as head coach, should have sat down with the coaches and made adjustments until something worked!! If you blame TB12, then Bowles, as Head Coach, should have done something! Did you ever see him.talking to his qb during the games?? If you blame the players for slacking off, part of the Head Coach’s job is to relate to the players and find ways to motivate them to be their best! I’ ve heard Todd Bowles say this several times last season..” The players are all professionals, they ll be ready to play ” He truly believes that the players will motivate themselves! Yes some do, It’s his responsibility as head coach, to make sure enough players are motivated to win the game! And especially the guys in key match-ups!! That’s where you win games!!

    Bowles, by not living up to his responsibilities as Head Coach, brought about the losing season!

  27. Currie Rigg Says:

    Currie is not WORRIED, ,BUCS R going to WIN The SOUTH Hands Down Dot MATTER what PEOPLE SAY SOUTH is BUCS TRUSURE 💪💪💪💪

  28. Steelers fan Says:

    1) The buc are not heavly invested in Mayfield 4 million is not even backup money ( I know people say 8 mill but we know Baker will not see 8 mill its 4)

    2) You talk about a few picks in practice who care Baker has LEAD THE LEAGUE IN PICKS SINCE HE CAME INTO THE LEAGUE!

    3) Baker is not on Trask in any way shape or form and thats proven by many years in the league. Even if Trask is what you say he is (all the bad stuff ints etc.) Hes not on Bakers level in the pick department.

  29. Steelers fan Says:

    EDIT: Baker is not on Trasks level

  30. David Says:

    “The man never does anything wrong. Getting blasted by Oklahoma? It’s the receivers’ fault for quitting on the Gators. Not shining in Bucs practice? It’s because those mean coaches won’t let him practice with the ones
    You just showed your dislike for Trask.”
    You missed the sarcasm. –Joe

    The Oklahoma game was just a hollywood bowl game show not a real game for either school or Trask. He played in half of the game with third stringers whom he never played before. Just to show his loyalty to the school which was not a good decision by him to play coming off of SEC Championship game nearly defeating Alabama. He was projected as round one based on that game. He has no reason to play the useless bowl game for him instead of getting ready for draft or possibility of getting hurt.
    Also there not many qb’s in NFL who can make the other players better unless you were Tom B. at his younger age.

    I can’t wait for Trask to become a star and invite you for a crow dinner.

  31. David Says:

    However you are right about Todd B. not wanting to start Trask for his personal reason.

  32. garro Says:


    Same could be said for “you people” (Maybefield lovers) Joe.


    Go Bucs!

  33. Bosch Says:

    Llard summed it up perfectly. Bowles’ lack of accountability renders him incapable of ever becoming a winning head coach. It is apparent that the unbiased sports books understand that.