You’ve Got To Finish!

April 12th, 2023

Next step, please.

Joe believes this season is make-or-break for Bucs outside linebacker/edge rusher Joe Tryon-Shoyinka. And maybe Joe has been too harsh on the guy?

JTS had the very same number of sacks last year, his second in the NFL, as he did his rookie season. That would be four.

In a statistical breakdown of team needs, handicapper turned stathead Warren Sharp noted JTS actually is pretty decent at generating pressure. The problem is he doesn’t finish the play (as Todd Bowles himself detailed on the Ira Kaufman Podcast).

Joe Tryon-Shoyinka had an inconsistent season as the team’s top pass rusher. While the pressure rate was fine, there was little done off of it.

Tryon-Shoyinka only converted 8.7% of his pressures and 28.6% of quarterback hits into sacks, both well below the league average rates.

The sad thing for JTS is, while he needs to step it up for his career with the Bucs, there’s added pressure because its unknown how or if Bucs sacks king Shaq Barrett can/will rebound from surgery on his blown Achilles.

So without Shaq, it’s up to JTS to deliver. Joe’s not sure he’s up for it.

If he is, great. If not, this could be a long, long season unless Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht somehow finds a quality veteran pass rusher.

41 Responses to “You’ve Got To Finish!”


    Runs around like a chicken minus its head………………

  2. zzbucs Says:

    Excellent athlete….medicocre player so far…..Agree with your make-or-break season phrase Joe……

  3. SB~LV Says:

    No more excuses this year and the defense will get plenty of playing time this year

  4. Dooley Says:

    Gotta get better at playing through your man JTS, not just relying on speed and length to press the pocket. Not to say the speed and length cannot be of use, but pairing that up with proper hand technique and using that reach to win the leverage game would be an upgrade for JTS. Not just for satiating sacklust, but also becoming a more reliable run defender on a defense JTS will be getting the lions share in snaps. Also, we gotta start mentioning Nelly more often, we’ve got a 4-3 DE playing as a 3-4 OLB and dude is just an all around solid player

  5. D-Rok Says:


    Honestly, I have more optimism for production this year from Nelson and Gill. Hopefully JTS and Hall will step up and surprise us all, but I’m not optimistic at this point. Maybe in 2-3 more years for Hall and JTS?

  6. Goatfarmer Says:

    If he had coaching that could actually help him overcome his headless chicken act and improve his technique, he might turn out to be good. It’s clear what his issues are, even Bloweszo mentioned it.

    But alas, he is coached by the masturmind. Regression is the norm, instead of progression.

  7. Jack Clark Says:

    It’s not like Todd Bowels can coach him up to be any better than he was last year ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  8. Bubby Says:

    We need an early viewpoint article on our next head coaching candidates. Probably GMs too.

  9. Mikey Says:

    Wow I didn’t realize Kyle Trask was so big and built. Click on my name and check out the photo of him next to Hainsey.

  10. Fansince76 Says:

    With Shaq’s injury and JTS hasn’t put it all together
    Bucs really do not have a starter at either end spot and we need at least two
    starting quality pass rushers. Hopefully Jason can find some leftover
    free agent capable. And they should draft FOSKEY for the other side.

  11. 5-10 Says:

    This season is going to be a disaster. It’s like everything is completely f’d up.

    Zero chance Bowles is head coach after this season.

  12. Joe Swanson Says:

    If Bowles is such a good defensive coach why did he let Licht pick Tyron then pick Hall?

  13. Steven007 Says:

    Goat, the new linebackers coach, his name alludes me at the moment, has great pedigree and worked wonders with Michah Parsons at Dallas last year. Maybe he can make a positive change with JTS.

  14. Voice of Truth Says:

    They are banking on George Edwards coaching him up and turning him into a quality starter – fingers crossed!!!

  15. Dooley Says:


    Nelly I like the most, and outside of Barrett is probably our most consistent players off the edge in terms of playing the run and pass. Cam Gill is bouncing back from a lisfranc injury he suffered last preseason, so he should be good to go for OTAs and eventually training camp. I lean more toward the strength of the collection of talent over expecting 1 guy to just be HIM play after play, but 1 name I’m curious to see if he’s brought back is Genard Avery. Dude really stood out coming off the edge and seemed to have a motor on par with Nelson, but with a little more twitch.

  16. BucFanforLife Says:

    I think defensively we’ll be in the middle of the pack if not better. It’s the offense that concerns me more. Our rebuild is underway.

  17. sasquatch Says:

    Jack Clark Says:
    April 12th, 2023 at 12:01 pm

    It’s not like Todd Bowels can coach him up to be any better than he was last year

    His new position coach, George Edwards, is a seasoned NFL coach who helped develop Micah Parsons. So, there’s still hope.

  18. D-Rok Says:

    Good catch, Dooley – I nearly forgot about Avery, and agree, he has potential.

  19. Goatfarmer Says:

    Right, 007, in my gloom I forgot about the dude who coached up Micah Parsons. Thanks for talking me off the ledge.

  20. Kenny Says:

    Too hard? Hes a first round draft pick. Right now, his draft grade is an F. What else could it be?

  21. Crazyhorse54 Says:

    My observation is he takes himself out of the play by going too wide. All the tackle has to do is push him farther away fro the QB. He must develop a move to get inside where he can get a sack.

  22. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Seems he needs some more strenghth or size to go with that speed and also some more moves, wonder if the top DEs have a get together to talk about OL technique, etc as the top TEs in the league and QBs do every Summer, JTS could definitely use help like this or even from Simeon

  23. bucsfan951 Says:

    i aint ready to give up on him yet but this is the season to take a big step forward. i have confidence!

  24. SlyPirate Says:


    Zero football in 2020. Part-time rookie 2021. Full-time starter 2022.

    He’s getting there but not converting into sacks?

    Awesome. Just take the next step and learn how to tackle.

    Y’all remember how he transformed his body from Year 1 to Year 2. He puts in the work. Just give it time.

  25. Buc4evr Says:

    I have been saying it for two years, JTS is not a football player. Great athlete, but not a nfl caliber football player. Good news it that the Bucs will wear the creamsicle uniforms this season, so maybe things will come full circle for the team? Lol.

  26. Rod Munch Says:

    I never trusted him once I found out that he sat out a year because he was afraid of getting a cold.

    With that said, the kid is very raw. He didn’t play a lot of college football, and was only a part time player his rookie year. Last season was his first full-time gig, and while people bash him, he wasn’t awful.

    So basically that just means that he can still improve. Pass rushers take time to develop, and someone as green as he is, can take longer than most. I’m not saying I think that is likely, but it’s possible.

  27. Rod Munch Says:

    Hey guys, a lot of people don’t know that I’m a professional rap artist. But a lot of people DO know I also love football. So I combined my professional ability, with my love, and created this motivational song for JTS. Enjoy.

    Verse 1:
    Listen up, it’s time to make a statement
    Joe Tryon’s here, and he’s gonna be the greatest
    Pass rusher with the power of a hurricane
    He’s got his sights set, on the end zone gain

    Go Joe Tryon, get those sacks
    Bring the heat, and attack
    Tampa Bay’s counting on you
    To be the man, and see it through

    Verse 2:
    From St. Pete to Tampa, and all around
    Joe Tryon’s gonna make the other teams go down
    In Ybor City, he’ll make ’em feel the heat
    From Clearwater Beach to the end zone seat

    Go Joe Tryon, get those sacks
    Bring the heat, and attack
    Tampa Bay’s counting on you
    To be the man, and see it through

    He’s got the skill, he’s got the game
    Tampa Bay’s his home, and he’s here to reign
    He’s gonna bring the noise, and make ’em fear
    Joe Tryon’s here, and he’s ready to steer

    Go Joe Tryon, get those sacks
    Bring the heat, and attack
    Tampa Bay’s counting on you
    To be the man, and see it through

    So Joe Tryon, go make your mark
    From the Raymond James Stadium to the parks
    Tampa Bay’s got your back
    Now go and get those sacks!

  28. SlyPirate Says:

    Rod Munch … Well done. Drop the mic.

  29. D-Rok Says:

    Good stuff, Rod!! You was a poet and we didn’t even know it. 😉

  30. Red Skeleton Says:

    He needs to learn to tackle. Maybe Schiano can come in and teach him!!!

  31. Rod Munch Says:

    D-Rok – thank you, my parents and teachers always told me I was special.

  32. dmatt Says:

    I’m sorry but I just don’t see this guy stepping up. He’s too soft, too gullible, too weak, and too confused when reacting to a play. Why do we keep bringing in players who lack that killer’s instinct i.e., JTS, JDean, SMB, DDelaney, Zion McCullom, DSmith, CBrate, and Logan Hall all are passive players.

    Yes, I said JDean. He lacks consistency. He’s no Marshon Lattimore.

  33. 🐝no Says:

    Wowza, so much patience and love for a first rounder who hasn’t done diddly in two full seasons of play. 🤔

  34. Joe Says:

    Wowza, so much patience and love for a first rounder who hasn’t done diddly in two full seasons of play. 🤔

    Wait till you read a story Joe already has scheduled for Thursday morning about developing pass rushers. You actually may have some sympathy for JTS.

  35. David Says:

    He can still be very good, plenty of pass rushers don’t develop for a few years, but… He has one serious thing he needs to change, and I’ve been saying it all year-
    His goal seems to be his move, and once he execute his first move he is lost.

    The goal should be to get to the quarterback with the move on a lineman something that needs to be done along the way.
    Might sound stupid but there’s a difference.

  36. Jonny Says:

    JTS’s ability to be explosive off the edge is always lost from mid 3rd qtr onwards. The guy starts out impressive in so many games and goes fully invisible a while after.

  37. Capt.Tim Says:

    Hes weak.
    All rookies come in needing to get stronger,
    But JTS is pitifully weak.
    OTS can push him past the pocket- or just shove him to the ground.
    Most players get alot stronger for year 2.
    Not our guy. Actually looked even less forceful.

  38. doolnutts Says:

    I love Jason Licht don’t get me wrong & the later you picking the draft obviously you get a lesser player or usually. Joe Tryon-Shoyinka I never really expected to be a 10+ sack guy. I obviously hoped and he’s got some intangibles BUT he wasn’t all that productive in college. He had 1 year with 1 sack and another with 8.5. Who here thought he would do better in the NFL than he did in college going against lesser talent?

    Again I think we wanted someone to develop along Shaq or at least take a little pressure off but I don’t know that he was seriously drafted to be our sack master. And of course there is exceptions but again the guy never really produced in college either.

  39. 97 bucBaby Says:

    Boy a bum just like devin

  40. BA’s Red Pen Says:

    • No Confidence
    Looks like Tarzan…. Zero football instincts, seems to be and probably is a nice guy. Nice guys finish last

  41. Big Red Says:

    Imagine if the real fans who were supportive of the team commented on all the “fan sites”. We just have better sh** to do than get on social media. Only the bottom dwellers frequently sign on to vent, rage, and disparage their own team and athletes. Your lives must be sad. If (some) of yall were just more positive and less derogatory, players like Devin White wouldn’t be ready to gtfo of Tampa. Sad thing is, most real fans love Devin’s energy and what he brings to the table.

    It’s just the twittersphere with Twitter fingers that get on here to bash anybody and everybody. The problem with social media is that it made a society where wimps can say and type anything without fear of being punched in the face.

    Go Bucs. If we can establish a running game to set up the pass, we’ll make the playoffs.