Yes, It Was A Horse Collar; And It May Have Locked Up The NFC South For Tampa Bay
November 1st, 2021
From the NFL rulebook: No player shall grab the inside collar of the back or the side of the shoulder pads or jersey, or grab the jersey at the name plate or above, and pull the runner toward the ground. This does not apply to a runner who is in the tackle box or to a quarterback who is in the pocket.
The screenshot above is the moment savior linebacker Devin White dragged scrambling Saints QB Jameis Winston to the ground yesterday and, subsequently, Jameis tore up his left knee and didn’t return. Preliminary reports say he blew his ACL and is done for the year.
Ugly injury. An unfortunate result of an unlawful but aggressive-without-malice play by White.
However, it might be the biggest play of the Bucs’ season to date.
Yeah, nobody third-stringer QB Trevor Siemian carved up and beat the Bucs in Jameis’ absence. But does anyone really believe the Saints can succeed long-term with Siemian or even with No. 2 quarterback Taysom Hill, whenever he returns from a concussion.
Jameis isn’t great, but Joe believes the loss of him at least costs the Saints a game remaining on their schedule. And that schedule includes the Bills, Cowboys and Titans, in addition to the Bucs.
Joe’s not cheering a dude’s injury, but Joe appreciates what White’s fire and hunger delivered yesterday in that moment.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:40 pm
Yes it was a horse collar. It looked like White grabbed Winston high on the numbers, but when I reviewed the play later I concluded that it was a horse collar tackle: a horse collar has to be anywhere around the name plate on the jersey to the collar.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:40 pm
Debatable. His hand was next to and slightly below the name plate. Don’t blame White. Blame his superhuman grip strength that allowed him to grip a tight piece of fabric and sling a 240 lb man backwards that had forward momentum… with one hand! He exhibits this crazy grip strength regularly but his is truly special.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:40 pm
fluke injury. loved the play as it happened……as he was carted off. feel bad about the extent of the injury though. If Siemian continues the play he had last night he will keep the starting job.
keep up the aggressive play 45. barely a horsecollar though….he grabbed lower and it looked higher as JW went to the turf.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:42 pm
Can we get a breakdown of the Will Gholston RTP call where he had his helmet knocked off with a guy’s arm in his face and he tapped the QB and didn’t even knock him down? Pretty big play in a game that close.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:43 pm
Did they expand that rule? When it started I thought it was very specific about grabbing the shoulder pads from under the neck and pulling straight down.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:44 pm
I think some folks are confused because the horse collar tackle definition changed about 5 years ago. It used to be a grab around the collar, but the NFL extended it to the name plate area of the jersey.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:45 pm
Can’t one debate that while he had a fist full of nameplate, he didn’t pull him to the ground? He pulled him back and JW awkwardly fell due to that.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:46 pm
Siemian looked poised yesterday. Sean Payton has proven he can win without Drew. I doubt Siemian is much of a drop off from JW. The Saints have a really good defense that will keep them in every game and a coach that knows how to win. Not sure when this team is going to learn to bring their A game EVERY time they play these guys.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:51 pm
Man that sucks! Really wanted Jameis to come to RayJay and take a beating in front of the fans he wasted 5 years of time for. Ugly injury. This loss means a lot less now on the positive side.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:51 pm
100% debatable Joe…. I can’t stand JW….for many reasons, but that doesn’t mean I am happy for his injury…..Because I am not, but this doesn’t stop me to unlike him very much…..I will never forget eating the W after beating us last season…..Never forget…….
The Saints should know they will face us again…….
November 1st, 2021 at 12:52 pm
Thank you Joe for stating it like it is. This loss does not put Saints in the drivers seat, they will be losing some games down the line cause no matter whose at QB for him they have no guarantees of winning.
Bucs have a very favorable stretch down the line.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:54 pm
They should sideline Devin White for his irresponsible, overly aggressive play until Jameis comes back. Would serve him right. Can you imagine the outrage if Demario Davis similarly tackled Brady like that and ended his career? The NFL would change the rules on the spot.
November 1st, 2021 at 12:56 pm
If the Bucs can’t beat backup Quarterbacks that haven’t played a down in four years then it’s not gonna matter who wins the NFC south down the stretch.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:00 pm
Wasn’t expecting the injury of course, and feel bad for JW. Clearly white didn’t have that intent when he did that. That said, as JW was running early and often I said to myself, as I often do about quarterbacks who run a lot, that his time will come. Certainly didn’t expect it to be that early and in that fashion. Even though that’s a sometimes effective part of his game, he will probably dial it down a bit more when he comes back. On second thought, probably not.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:02 pm
Saints celebrating like they’ve won the Super Bowl. Even JW swinging his crutches.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:04 pm
Bucs beat themselves manchild. The Saints did not beat us. We had over 100 yards in penalties, you’re not winning many games with that many penalties.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:06 pm
What a website of losers. Choke on it.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:08 pm
Ironic that grabbing a player by his hair to tackle is legal , seems that type of tackling could conceivably scalp someone if a player of Devin Whites’ strength exerted full force on a long flowing mane????
November 1st, 2021 at 1:10 pm
I laugh when people freak out about a back up playing well in their first game in. These teams scheme and plan everything for the starters. There’s no tape on the backups to spend any time preparing for. Once D coordinators concentrate on Siemian he will look mortal. Look at Seattle to see what I mean. Watch the Jets the rest of the year after their backup lit up Cindy yesterday. Backups are unknowns which buys them a game or so, then they show why they are second or third string.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:14 pm
Can someone show Devin White the rule on taunting too? Especially when the guy just gained 6 yards on 1st down, a win for the offense any way you slice it.
With all these penalties, you’d think Dan Mullen become a team consultant this season.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:22 pm
Joe chill out I don’t agree with celebrating injuries. With that said this was not a horse collar tackle it’s unfortunate.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:26 pm
So looks like it barely fits by the official definition then. Can’t blame white for trying to make a play and kinda sounds like a stupid rule when you’re trying to chase a guy down grabbing what you can. As another mentioned pulling down by the hair has happened and is legal
November 1st, 2021 at 1:27 pm
For it to be a horse collar you must pull the player to the ground. Winston had already slipped and on his way down. White never threw him to the ground because he never had the leverage to do that. White had his jersey with a loose bent arm and simply held on to him as Winston fell, thus it can not be a horse collar.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Winston got tripped up trying to slide. Look at the photo, White’s arm is loose and bent and Winston is already on his way down. Holding a jersey while a player falls isn’t not “pull(ing) the runner toward the ground”. This is NOT a Horse Collar tackle
November 1st, 2021 at 1:36 pm
@Saintsfan59 Are you still butt hurt over White picking off Brees in the playoffs? Or was it Brady showing Brees how to throw the ball the correct way to his kids after sending him packing into retirement?
November 1st, 2021 at 1:38 pm
Choke on it? Like the Saints choked every year with Drew Brees except for the year they were running bounties on opposing offenses? And you’re upset about Devin White?
Ironic
November 1st, 2021 at 1:51 pm
Anyone celebrating injury to a player is just heartless!
When teams run the QB, they are exposing him to a number of injuries… This just happens to be one of the worst outcomes… Now they have to deal with the consequences…
Makes me wonder if the Saints do move on from Winston, will he ever even get another shot with any team… No one was lining up to sign him when he 1st became available and he really hasn’t played much in 2 years by the time he recovers..
Hopefully the Saints struggle to find a brees replacement for quite some time…
November 1st, 2021 at 1:52 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised when the Saints come to Tampa in December, that game will decide the NFC South.
Didn’t BA say when he was in Arizona that the league should suspend players for illegal hits for the same amount of time that an injured player misses?
November 1st, 2021 at 1:52 pm
the slants basically have 4 seemingly tough games left, and 6 seemingly easier games left…
say they go 2-2 in the tough games…well good for them…
and say they go 4-2 in the easy games…logical thinking…
all without jaboo – their starter…
that leaves them at 11-6…
if things don’t take a turn for the worse, we should be 2-3 games better than that…
we basically have the division on lock on november 1st…in the past it was draft talk time
November 1st, 2021 at 1:55 pm
so jameis was dancing and throwing crutches in the air like he just dont care…
all with a torn acl in a smoked out scene straight out of the wwe…
if that knees was hanging by a thread, the dude just unthreaded it with his john travolta like moves…
what a fool
November 1st, 2021 at 1:56 pm
You’re welcome Joe for the clarification on the horse collar call.
November 1st, 2021 at 1:57 pm
obviously the saints don’t even want him back if they let him dance his knee right out of the socket in front of them…
so new qb in new orleans next year
November 1st, 2021 at 2:07 pm
There are some penalties that have changed the behavior of football players: use of the head on defenseless receivers, better protection of QBs, contact beyond 5 yards. There are some penalties that will NEVER change behavior — they just hurt teams. Extending the horse collar definition to the jersey (even by the nameplate) is one of those. NFL players will always grab whatever they can when desperate. They could make that penalty 30 yards and it wouldn’t matter. It is not improving safety at all. If you are going to play football, you are occasionally going to get yanked down that way.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:08 pm
NOT debatable. And NOT intentional.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:10 pm
@AMI_Chris My point was that White never yanked Winston down. Winston had already tripped and fell on his own. White never had the leverage to pull JW down. White had one foot in the air with all of his momentum going the other direction. If White did not pull him down it does not matter where he grabbed him, so by definition it is not a horse collar.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:12 pm
Saintsfan, Brady deserves that respect and he has taken more hits than Jamais will in his entire career. White had a grasp of his shoulder pad which pulled Jamais down, under the crystal glass QB horse collar rule it is legit. Joe, that’s plagiarism, you didn’t site me on your post I already posted this definition. As far as Gholston definitely hand to the face pulling his helmet off but he blatantly pushed Trevor in the back well after the ball was released. Just another undiscipline move. I wonder if Bucs didn’t win SB last year if BA’s head would be on the chopping block? Next up Nagy.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:15 pm
That’s what happens when you continuously decide to run as a QB injuries bound to happen look at Cam RG3 Dak Bridgewater I could go on and on. Josh Allen, Mahomes, Jackson, watch out
November 1st, 2021 at 2:17 pm
FYI Derrick Henry going into surgery tomorrow
Advantage Saints.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:24 pm
@SaintsFan59 Says:
“….Can you imagine the outrage if Demario Davis similarly tackled Brady like that and ended his career? The NFL would change the rules on the spot…..”
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u r absolutely wrong; they would do that to TB12 and any other QB, Rams did it to Gronk.
if any QB start running like RB, rolling like crazy on the field…. gaining yards, having multiple first down… like JW did yesterday into the FACE of defenders; by the way OVER and OVER…. then you going to get hit, and you DESRVE to get hit.
happen to two QBs yesterday, and the a week before yesterday, and the week before that. DW was trying to stop that joker…..he did NOT try to hurt him. Two different things.
Actually that was the only thing right DW did yesterday, the rest was TERRIBLE.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:26 pm
winstunned takes on a whole new meaning.
sometimes a loss is really a win….especially going into the bye
November 1st, 2021 at 2:39 pm
If the injury to the Saints’ starting QB forces them to try and upgrade the position then that injury may have been the best thing for the Saints. Don’t be surprised if they lob a phone call to Phillip Rivers or try and coax Drew Brees out of retirement. Rivers would be an instant upgrade over Winston.
I didn’t think it was a horse collar but Joe’s quoting of the league rule makes it clear that it was.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:41 pm
Agreed. Being a running QB isn’t really a part of Jay-Miss’ game. All the running he did means that he’s not seeing the many opportunities that are on the field. To that end, nothing has really changed with him as a QB.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:44 pm
Hey saints fan, didn’t we say the same thing to you after the playoffs last year?
November 1st, 2021 at 2:47 pm
Devin White has superhuman grip strength, because when other kids were out hanging with the Homies, he was out breaking Horses!
Do not underestimate Trevor Simian! He was the Denver QB when they won a lot of games, until the entire team fell into disarray.
In fact, I consider him an upgrade from Jameis.
He throws a pretty spiral ball, and is much more accurate/less turnover prone.
He hangs right in the pocket, even in the face of a pass rush, where Winston gets happy feet.
Yesterday, he hit receivers who have barely caught a pass all season.
If he revives the passing game of the Saints, look out!
November 1st, 2021 at 2:56 pm
I thought the horse collar was the actual collar. I did not know you could not just grab the back. What if it was just a jersey up high?
That still makes no sense to me.
So if he was a little closer and was able to get his arm around his neck and yank backwards, that’s legal.
November 1st, 2021 at 2:58 pm
@Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:
“…..If he revives the passing game of the Saints, look out!….”
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look out??? u mean Bucs to look out!!! ??
what more can they do to us; they just beat us, and took our fake mask off. We are just an average team; that is what he showed to the rest of the league.
You mean they going to beat us again??? for sure they can, as other teams can, and they will.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:00 pm
He doesn’t really grab at the nameplate though, it’s more right between the nameplate (right after the “N”) and the shoulder pad.
If that guys last name is/was something like Houshmamdzadeh or Tagovailoa, than that’s definitely a penalty, this was/is right on that line to me 😂 is it still a penalty if the guy’s last name is like Ford or Carr….
While I do think the Refs were not all that great this game and it did favor in the Saints direction a be little, it was still mostly Bucs beating Bucs as the reason we lost the game
Either way, time to get Bye Week ready!
November 1st, 2021 at 3:04 pm
Siemian did well, why did Joe think Bucs would win the game? The saints are so much better coached in every aspect of the game. Prediction the NFC south is locked, Saints will beat out Bucs easily and perhaps we may see a wildcard perch–nothing more. Bucs beat the Bucs as usual against the saints. Players like devin white need a class every day on penalties–every player who gets a penalty gets a class. Ridiculous that devin White does not even know the rules.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:06 pm
A Saints player tackled Winfield in the endzone the same way after that int. It wasn’t called then. Dude Grabbed Winfield high on his jersey and pulled him down. In fact the ref’s threw a roughing the passer flag on that play. Even though the QB didn’t even get knocked down. They should change the penalty to “touching the passer”.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:09 pm
Joe says:
But does anyone really believe the Saints can succeed long-term with Siemian or even with No. 2 quarterback Taysom Hill, whenever he returns from a concussion.
are you kidding me!!!!!!!!!!
of course they can and will win especially if they play our team, our defense is so poorly coached that we do not stand a chance against the saints.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:09 pm
If DW’s tackle was a legit penalty, then they need to change the rule again. That was grabbing the back of the jersey- -not the collar, nor should it have been any more risky than any other QB scramble. He’s a runner!!
November 1st, 2021 at 3:10 pm
The year S-i-e-m-i-a-n got benched Chris was 2017 when he had 12 TD’s , but had 14 INTS. Jameis Winston had 3 INTS and 14 TDS when he got injured. Biggest reason Saints passing game was down was the absence of Michael Thomas. Deal more in the facts Chris. and less in your personal likes and dislikes that do not have anything to do with playing the game. Godspeed in your recovery.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:10 pm
Yes some do believe Simien gives them a better chance to win than Winston. Definitely did yesterday. Unfortunate injury for both teams yesterday. Winston was just warming up. He was gona toss some int’s at some point
November 1st, 2021 at 3:11 pm
the second round draft pick of trask keeps coming to mind–wtf was that for? he will never be our starting quarterback we needed a corner even then
November 1st, 2021 at 3:17 pm
BucsfaninOregon,
Agreed!
November 1st, 2021 at 3:21 pm
It was clearly unintentional (the injury) and I thought that it wasn’t a penalty, until I heard the rule.
It’s unfortunate because I wanted to beat the brakes off of the Saints WITH Jameis under center.
As to Devin White, and all other “over-celebrators”, if you tackle a man behind the LOS by all means beat your chest. If you just ran 4 yards to make a tackle and get dragged another yard and a half STHU and walk back to the huddle!
Right now his play does NOT match his mouth. Sorry, love the guy but that taunting penalty really p!ssed me off!
November 1st, 2021 at 3:44 pm
@firethecannons Says:
…. what ever….
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i was about to agree with your posts…. all of them, until you mention Trask as the PROBLEM…. wow
SP just show us that how you can win with 3 string QB….when you have a average team with great HC and great coaching staff.
We have neither; our coaching staff is BELOW average, and as far as HC, we do NOT have one. We have a Monday morning quarterback on that position, (definition: a person who passes judgment on and criticizes something after the event), who came to Florida to have good time, like Lovie S, and brought his gang with him.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:50 pm
After Winston went down with the injury; didn’t anybody noticed Sean Payton smiling?..IMHO, I believe he was probably smiling because the Winston proyect was over. He probably was not happy having Winston as is was more his GM forcing him to. Check the tape.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:55 pm
Against our Bucs apparently. You underestimated that team all week leading up to the game and now doubling down they are worse even though the back is the guy who beat us. Why couldn’t they challenge us for the title when their number one receiver comes back? I get it our secondary was missing but every time we play the saints the o line stinks and the offense plays scared. Defense played out of their minds in the playoffs but this isn’t the same defense which is sad when you bring everyone back
November 1st, 2021 at 3:56 pm
I just love the frame by frame analysis for days afterwards. In real time, it was just two guys trying to make a play.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:57 pm
Anybody else imagine SaintsFan59 with Karen hair?
November 1st, 2021 at 3:59 pm
Hasn’t his happened just about every year to our beloved Bucs? An unknown quarterback has to come into the game and the defense folds like a pair of old socks? The Bucs read their press clippings and believe every word and think, “Hey we got this in the bag!” Time to get over it and move on to the next game, and remember what was famously said, “On any given Sunday, any team can beat any other team..”
**As a side note: I did Tevor Siemian’s highlight video out of Olympia High School. Look it up.
November 1st, 2021 at 3:59 pm
The injury is terrible, and he had a grasp of the shoulder pad and nameplate, but the force was not pulling directly to ground. It was force across his body from back of shoulder area. In no way should that be a penalty, nor should about half of the flags yesterday. Odd that Kevin white got away with opi on his big catch (extended arm) and the defender held Godwin on the final pick (impeded his route at the break point). Both were iffy, but they kept the flags in the pocket when it was good for saints, and let them fly when it was bad for bucs.
November 1st, 2021 at 4:04 pm
Mebbe Trevor never had a good team around him before? NObody thought Ryan Tannehill was a decent QB when he was thrust into a spot start
November 1st, 2021 at 4:05 pm
Hasn’t this happened just about every year to our beloved Bucs? An unknown quarterback has to come into the game and the defense folds like a pair of old socks? The Bucs read their press clippings and believe every word and think, “Hey we got this in the bag!” Time to get over it and move on to the next game, and remember what was famously said, “On any given Sunday, any team can beat any other team..”
**As a side note: I did Tevor Siemian’s highlight video out of Olympia High School. Look it up.
November 1st, 2021 at 4:07 pm
per J-Rome
Winston being Winston sadly
He was going to do something super amazing or just extremely detrimental once he somehow escaped S Barrett sack
I think Winston was heading toward unraveling even before the injury with a few very near misses
Tough loss for the Bucs as we outplayed the Saints for most of the game
Not sure what happened on the Brady play selection prior to the pic-6 also — strange game
November 1st, 2021 at 4:15 pm
The loss of Winston guarantees nothing, Payton is a wiley adversary. I truly expected an overall collapse of the Saints with Drew Brees retirement, but it hasn’t worked out that way, at least not yet. We’ll see, hopefully this will lead to disarray in their offense. As far as their defense, even on a good day we got our hands full.
November 1st, 2021 at 4:36 pm
It’s sucks even when enemy players get hurt, but that was a bullsh!t call and Devin did nothing malicious. Yeah, I know it’s in the rules, but these pansy a$$ rules are ruining the game. It wasn’t just our game either and there were horrible calls in every game that I watched this weekend. Sad.
November 1st, 2021 at 4:42 pm
Wonder if Arians might be singing a different tune than he did 7 years ago?
November 1st, 2021 at 4:43 pm
0nly comment I got is go watch the TJ Watts tackle that got overturned for not being a horse collar and explain to me the difference?
November 1st, 2021 at 4:54 pm
REALITY CHECK:
As an NFL QB, if you regular scramble and use pump fakes, fake pitch motions, and are running in the open field refusing to SLIDE, you WILL eventually take punishment in the NFL.
This is exactly what happened with Winston. He’s out of the season because he made too many risky running plays. He’s not fast enough to elude a potential big hit at that last second.
Devin’s tackle was clearly unintentional, he just grabbed with one arm anything he could to try and bring him down.
November 1st, 2021 at 5:07 pm
Saints 59 fan, cool down. Winston was running around all game. That’s what’s happens to running QB’s. As for Brady he doesn’t run never could. That’s one of the reasons he’s still playing. GO BUCS! Get well Jameis.
November 1st, 2021 at 5:42 pm
Guess brady is no superman after all huh? Knock Jameis out of the game and get beat by a guy who has not been under center for ages. Defensive line let us down. Of course we knew, our secondary was in dire straits. And it stuck out like a sore thumb..glaringly. Get well during the bye Bucs.
November 1st, 2021 at 5:42 pm
@Anonymous
Both were horse collar tackles. The difference was probably due to the refs missing the call due to their angle of observation. It’s football, missed calls are common.
November 1st, 2021 at 6:28 pm
Best play White made all year
November 1st, 2021 at 6:36 pm
IMO the Bucs should institute A weekly Rules Class. Teaching the rules and how to play by the book and avoid these costly penalty yards.
November 1st, 2021 at 6:38 pm
White may not have even known this rule.
November 1st, 2021 at 6:51 pm
Stupid. Just go ahead and hand out flags and stop all contact.
NFL…National Flag League!
Eliminate the refs since it is only getting worst.
What about the missed holding calls like with Goldston.
November 1st, 2021 at 7:12 pm
@Beej
Trevor Siemian had the 2016 Broncos behind them. They were the defending Super Bowl champs and had one of the best WR units in the NFL. He still couldn’t complete 60% of his passes and only threw 18 TDs that season, which was by far his best. At his best season he was really just a so-so QB, and after that he stumbled into a deep hole.
November 1st, 2021 at 7:21 pm
The Gholston penalty was ticky tac but still a stupid act. What I don’t get is why it wasn’t off setting, how do they think his helmet came off if the olineman didn’t rip it off. You know Brady won’t sleep until the next game, that guy is blaming himself for the entire loss.
November 1st, 2021 at 7:29 pm
Lets not forget 45 was the biggest reason the Bucs smoked the Saints when it mattered in the playoffs 🤔
November 1st, 2021 at 7:31 pm
Doesn’t matter who the Saints QB was, the defense failed miserably. Hopefully Bowles figures out how the contain Payton’s game plan in December.
As far as Winston, he didn’t play smart as usual and this time got himself hurt. He has a history of doing stupid things and paid the price. I don’t wish injury on any player but after 5 years of his crap here, I simply don’t care about him anymore.
November 1st, 2021 at 7:33 pm
Too bad Jameis was injured. When game got close he would of choked. We would of won. We were all ready to take a shot of JD every time Jameis threw a pic 6 or an interception. Back in the old days we would do that and made it easier to deal with Jameis as our starting QB.
November 1st, 2021 at 7:34 pm
saintsfan59 bye
November 1st, 2021 at 9:20 pm
I felt nothing seeing Jamies hurting I don’t even feel bad
November 1st, 2021 at 9:28 pm
I ALSO FELT ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
PLUS THE REFS HELPED THEM MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE
ON THAT SAME DRIVE THE REFS GAVE THEM 45 plus yards of free personal foul yards..after we picked off SEAman they called roughing the passer
13 penalties… technically we still won..1st place and took out a entire team for the rest of the year..SO THE AINTS GET A MEANINGLESS WIN… WHILE WE WILL WIN THE DIVISION AND WIN THE WAR
November 1st, 2021 at 11:31 pm
Just because some idiot says a man in a dress is a woman, doesn’t actually make them a woman. Literally everyone knows what a man is, and what a woman is.
Just because some idiot says that was a horse collar, doesn’t actually make it a horsecollar. Literally everyone knows what a horse collar is, and is not, and that was not a horse collar, no matter how they try to rewrite the rules to say it was.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:26 am
Don’t let facts get in the way of you posting crap Rod.
Look up the NFL rules regarding horse collar tackles, which were revised about 5 years ago. Then let us know why it wasn’t a horse collar tackle.
Was White’s hand on the name plate? Yes
Did White violently jerk Winston down by the name plate portion of the jersey? Yes
That’s a horse collar tackle.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:53 am
i gotta tell ya…
when simien came in the league with the broncos he looked good…
at the time they had 2 quarterbacks, both young and both played well…i can’t remember the other guys name…
both of them looked like they could lead the franchise and the team was doing fairly well…
then it all imploded and both qb’s went down the tubes as well as the team…
in actuality, elway prolly was a great player who just isn’t a good gm…
anyway, jameis is prolly out for good now in nawleans…
simien is actually in quite a sweet spot right now – he can literally grab the bull by the horns and never look back, depending on how he plays…
he might not have the skill set jaboo has, but i’m pretty sure payton is going to feel more comfortable opening up the offense with him…
let’s see how it goes…
#PaytonDoesntWantJaboo #NoOneWantsJaboo
#EspeciallyAfterAnotherOneOfHisLockerRoomDances
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:53 am
jameis belongs on the jags,,,i swear…he does…the jags 🙂
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:56 am
jameis will be sporting a “Jacksonville Quagmires” jersey next season 🙂
November 2nd, 2021 at 2:40 am
PassingThru – So you’re literally just making my point. Because some idiot says something is a horse collar, doesn’t make a horse collar.
Get this, the word ‘collar’ is in horse collar. Why is that?
Anywho, I’m guessing what really triggered you is saying that nice lady you meet in the men’s rooms at an interstate rest stop isn’t really a lady.
November 2nd, 2021 at 5:08 am
When it happens to Brady, remember all of these comments about how great it is to end someone’s season.
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:01 am
Most of you would be screaming a different tone had that been Tom Brady. The NFL rule definition declares this play to be a horse collar takle although I don’t believe DW intentionally tried to hurt JW or is a dirty player. Prayers for JW for a successful recovery.
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:43 am
Rod Munch Lol!!!!!!!
needless to say Devin White < Micah Parsons and many others
very disappointed–he is a captain who gets a huge penalty for taunting! and gets away with it–he should be benched by Arians. Useless! Lawn chair would work better than many of our defensive players. That or just field 10 players and let him sit–he is that useless when he has 3 personal penalties! No player on the field is better than having him getting repetetive penalties out there.
November 2nd, 2021 at 7:59 am
So Rod, your hangup is that you refuse to understand the rules governing the NFL penalties? Willful ignorance of the rule isn’t a defense.
November 2nd, 2021 at 10:21 am
Locked up the NFC south? Hahahaha, thats the funniest statement i have ever heard. In case you didnt wanna watch the rest rest of the game from Sunday. Tampa lost. And Trevor Semian looked pretty good for a qb who has not taken a snap with the first team offense ever!!! Wow, hahahahaha. The NFC belongs to the Saints still.
November 2nd, 2021 at 11:36 am
What’s next? Does the NFL become the NFFL – National Flag Football League? Good Lord, let the grown up men play like grown up men!
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:05 pm
Yall are all sick, ugly honkies.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:15 pm
The rules are making it impossible to play a proper game. Can’t hit them to high, can’t hit them to low, cant grab them when they are in front of you. It’s just ridiculous. Like someone said, might as well just give them flags and take out tackling altogether. Thanks Roger.
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:15 pm
My friends! We should have had our division wrapped up with a showcase Win yesterday! Tom only throws those pics when he is trying to do to much. He only tries to do to much when he knows there’s a problem! The problem is that our much vaulted defense stinks. Bonehead penalties cost that game. The comment My boy Tom made to the Mannings was about our defense. Had to be because all I seen Sunday in New Orleans was a bunch of superstar dogs CHASING CARS!
November 2nd, 2021 at 1:47 pm
Any player who commits an illegal hit that results in a season ending injury, should be suspended for the same amount of games the injured player misses. That will stop illegal hits from ever happening.
November 2nd, 2021 at 6:07 pm
I hope that fake punk Winston career is over myself!! That’s what I always hated about him is how fake he was!! And of course his inaccuracy!!
November 2nd, 2021 at 10:23 pm
NOLA loves Jameis. He will get another shot. Bucs fans should be worried.
November 2nd, 2021 at 11:34 pm
Just remember guys that the saints beat themselves in the playoffs last year. If it was not for cooks fumble and brees’ two INT, the outcome would be a whole lot different. Y’all gonna lose to us at least one more time this season because the saints D’ makes Brady show his age and now that we have a QB that has the ability to push the ball down field…(I.e. anyone but Brees) you guys are beat.
November 3rd, 2021 at 2:51 am
If that horse collar happened to crybaby Brady, that player would be suspended.
November 3rd, 2021 at 3:55 am
It may be against the rules but it’s not a horsecollar anymore than it’s a face mask.
November 3rd, 2021 at 9:38 am
What a shame. Goes around comes around. Protect our QB team. Go BUCCANEERS.
November 3rd, 2021 at 3:24 pm
OH LET’S JUST PLAY FLAG FOOTBALL. SO MANY RULES AND A BUNCH OF IGNORANT ZEBRAS REFFING THAT HAVE NO EDUCATION. IVE SEEN TO MANY CALLS NOT CALLED AND ZEBRA WAS RIGHT THERE TO SEE IT BUT THEY HAVE TO HUDDLE UP WITH 5 OTHER ZEBRAS FOR HALF HOUR TO SEE WHAT PENALTY TO CALL.