Vaccinated Ryan Succop Catches The COVID

August 24th, 2021

Down goes Ryan Succop.

UPDATED 2:10 p.m. – Here we go…

The regular season has yet to kick off and already the Bucs have taken a loss while battling The Sickness.

In his post-practice presser, Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians said vaccinated Bucs kicker Ryan Succop has The Sickness. He will not travel with his team to face lousy Lovie Smith and the spiraling Texans.

Succop kicked a 49 yard field goal on Saturday against Tennessee. His backup is rookie Jose Borregales, the top college kicker in the nation last year.

The Bucs won the war with The Sickness last year. Already this year, it has hit their locker room. In August.

225 Responses to “Vaccinated Ryan Succop Catches The COVID”

  1. The kid Says:

    I’m vaccinated and got it too
    For the most part fortunately, I’ve had worse colds. First day and a half sucked. But now I’m just quarantined for 10 days

  2. ocala Says:

    Thanks China!

  3. Steven007 Says:

    Spiraling Texans, but who’s counting. Will be interesting to see how that Lovie defense does by the end of the year. Suck it up Succop. He should be fine by the Cowboys game. Hopefully he’s the only one.

  4. Medicated Pete Says:

    It’s time to NUKE China. This was the last straw 🔥🔥🔥💥💥💥💣💣💣💣 #FireTheCannons

  5. Brian Says:

    Yup.. WW III Is a brilliant answer.

  6. mark2001 Says:

    So you want to start a war that would kill a large part of China and America’s population, because of virus escaped from the wild, or from study in a Chinese lab? Don’t think so. And BTW…never forget. A large part of the spread of this virus in America is because in the early stages, we wouldn’t even admit it was anything but the flu. It didn’t become a big problem in some minds, until the horse was out of the barn, so to speak.

  7. Buddy Says:

    Joe you were so worried about being funny and petty trying to rip Lovie that you got the team Bucs are playing incorrect. Bucs are playing Texans clown.

  8. Seattle Buc is back in TB Says:

    Was Scott Smith out with COVID? He was having coughing fits on training camp live, then Casey had Ronde and T J Reeves as subs for a few shows.

  9. Medicated Pete Says:

    Ira’s spidey senses might’ve been right on today’s new podcast. I thought he was crazy

  10. PassingThru Says:

    Thermonuclear war would wipe out Covid. Humans and bats too.

  11. BucBrady Says:

    Texans not Titans

  12. Jaymiss Pick6 Again Says:

    Good thing we have the best kicker in college on the roster. NOTHING could ever go wrong with that scenario…I’m looking at you Roberto!

  13. tampabuscsbro Says:


  14. Joe Says:

    Was Scott Smith out with COVID?

    Joe has been getting this on Twitter. Not sure what the sudden fascination with his health is. Pretty sure he was in Canton for a couple of days but just a guess.

    Not that Joe always looks for the guy, but Joe has seen him regularly at training camp practices including yesterday.

  15. Jerry Says:

    Titans head coach Vrabel has tested positive. Someone on the Titans had it and spread it during the joint practice. Would not surprise me if a few more Bucs test positive the next few days.

  16. Biff Barker Says:

    Mark 2001. Please explain how a virus escapes from the wild?

  17. Gofortheface30 Says:

    Mark2001 – if you’re so cute with your little opinion, you’re such a blissfully ignorant soul if you think COVID is chinas only discretion. Covid is the tipping point of a million other things. Communist regimes/terrorists are now laughing at us with weak policy, weak sanctions, weak regime. You better believe they will be more opportunistic than ever, while America is worries about being woke and pronouns. THAT is what’s going to cause WW3. God damn I hate this generation

  18. Bird Says:


    Sharing your politics again
    This is a football site
    And Oh Yah. The new horse is doing a great job 😂

    Talban , china , the middle east and russia are sure proud of him

  19. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    It happens…..with a 90% efficacy…….10% still leaves a whole lot of people vulnerable….but according to my Drs…….if vaccinated & you contract the virus you will not experience severe symptoms…& will survive.

  20. Dew Says:

    Has Brady said if he is vaccinated or not?

  21. BuccaneerButters Says:

    I thought I saw Joe saying Brady was vaxxed. Anyway, I’m interested to see what Jose Borregales can do. I know we signed Succop for 3 years, but he had a less than stellar camp. Could he possibly steal the job? I appreciated Ryan and I’m glad we have him, hope he recovers soon. Just a thought… Also off topic, how long before Joe shuts down the comments this time? Lol

  22. Bucfan81 Says:

    Everything is made in China but somethings you just don’t want from them such as the China Virus.

  23. ocala Says:

    I miss America.

  24. Medicated Pete Says:

    If u read Jenna Laine’s tweet, it sounds like she’s saying TB12 is vaccinated w/o actually saying it

  25. Youngbucs Says:

    It’s well known everyone still gets covid what’s the surprise

  26. QB whisperer Says:

    Yeah, I want to know if Brady is vaccinated. I might have to miss his and my weekly lunch together at the Columbia. Same as Giselle, the three of us meet at Berns once a week also.

  27. webster Says:

    Hey mark stop talking politics because your political beliefs are different from mine. I will not call out the other posters who are talking politics because I agree with their political beliefs says the hypocritical posters who are calling out Mark for talking politics but not the far right faction who are doing the same. smdh

  28. Bojim Says:

    At least if you’re vaccinated, you won’t get very sick.

  29. Dew Says:

    @Bojim sorry but not completely true. 75% of some hospitals have patients that are fully vaccinated. Wouldn’t be in the hospital if not serious.

  30. Rod Munch Says:

    Literally everyone is going to get this, people need to accept that and move on with their lives.

  31. Anonymous Says:

    This is from the CDC. -“Jul 23, 2021 · In the early 1950s, before polio vaccines were available, polio outbreaks caused more than 15,000 cases of paralysis each year. Following introduction of vaccines—specifically, trivalent inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955 and trivalent oral poliovirus vaccine (OPV) in 1963—the number of polio cases fell rapidly to less than 100 in the 1960s and fewer than 10 in the 1970s.”
    My point is, if this is how vaccines are supposed to work (basically preventing people from contracting the sickness after being vaccinated), then why are people who have been vaxed still getting and spreading it? Simple answer, it doesn’t work. And why not? Because it’s a manufactured, not a naturally occurring, disease. China knew this, which is why (when it broke out) they (china) banned travel from Wuhan province to the rest of China. Now ask yourself (if you’re a doubter) why China still allowed international travel out of Wuhan at the same time they were banning domestic travel from Wuhan?

  32. webster Says:

    DEW where are you getting your numbers? On some far right anti vax site? There is no hospital that has 75% of their covid patients that are fully vaccinated. Stop the bs. The ones who are getting seriously and deathly ill are non vaccinated at this point. Thats what makes this all the more dumb.

  33. Youngbucs Says:

    Dew where the proof of that I haven’t seen anything but the opposite. Please share link if it’s conspiracy nonsense don’t waste my time please thx.

  34. Kentucky Buc Says:

    Brady got a blood transfusion from Chuck Norris so he should be fine. Wait.. it was the other way around.

  35. BT Says:

    I would like to thank Joe for not deleting the post from Anonymous. Fair play is hard to find nowadays.

  36. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Titans head coach Vrabel has tested positive, and Succop was seem talking to him, after the game.
    So, why not call it the Vrabel Virus ?

  37. Kyle Says:

    F.$& China

  38. Kyle Says:

    Btw.. buddy is a jack wagon. Lovie is d coordinating ahole..

  39. ocala Says:

    It’s a clown world and we are all living in it.

  40. Dew Says:

    NPR not Conservative

  41. lambchop Says:


    The difference between Polio and the Sickness is that Polio was an epidemic, while the Sickness is a pandemic. An epidemic is where Polio could break out in Philly, but people in Pittsburgh would not get it. A Pandemic is global infection. Also, Polio is transmitted from water or food contaminated with fecal matter. The Sickness is spread by water particles from breathing. So, it’s way more transmissible than Polio.

    And lastly, the vaccines were developed for the original Sickness, not the mutations. The more it transmits, the more it mutates. So, the effectiveness of the vaccines will come down as the Sickness mutates. But, it’s still got properties to build some immunity to where you don’t get severely sick.

    I don’t disagree that this virus was leaked from a lab. Was it an accident or on purpose? Who knows. But, they definitely screwed up cuz China themselves buried a lot of people that have not been accounted for, other than from satellite images of mass graves. But, I’m pretty sure the source of the virus is from a bat as most experts point to that as the source. And, Wuhan has a virology lab where they study bats. Could they have been trying to weaponize it? If they were researching it, they’re pretty stupid. I mean it’s not something anyone can control like holding a grenade. Whatever it may be, someone screwed up and got infected in the process of whatever they were trying to do.

  42. miken Says:

    I don’t understand why we test vacinated people.

  43. Stanglassman Says:

    It will be good to see Borregales kick in a game setting. We’re probably going to keep him on the practice squad. The down side is other teams will see him too. I think they wanted to wanted to keep him on the LD to get him on the PS.

  44. lambchop Says:


    A simple answer, if your claim is true (I can’t bother investigating it) as to why they would ban domestic travel and not international is because they were trying to HIDE the fact that the virus originated from China. Banning international flights would be a dead give away that something is up. But, obviously they would try to contain whatever was going on from inside their borders.

  45. Stanglassman Says:

    Chances are it was the long snapper Brinkley who gave it to Ryan while they were at the indoor dinner.

  46. John Says:

    Covid isnt the problem the tests are the problem..

  47. unbelievable Says:

    There will be more guys who test positive, so just prepare yourself fans.

    Hopefully, they have mild cases (one of the benefits of being vaxxed if you do happen to catch it) and are over it quickly, before the season starts…

  48. SB~LV Says:

    Is he sick ?
    Or merely tested positive!
    This whole COVID thing is so blown out of portion!
    99.9% survival rate
    It is so easy to get a positive test and NOT have Covid!

  49. ClodHopper Says:

    This is so stupid. I predict a bunch of *unnecessary* forfeits this year with the stupid way the NFL is handling this.

    I read kids in the UK figured out how to beat the tests. If they put coke in their noses before the tests they will be found positive and then get two weeks off school.

  50. D-Rome Says:

    NFL COVID protocols for vaccinated players are dumb. He should play. This stopped being about saving lives a long time ago.

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    I just got over Covid…. my whole family had it. 2 of us were vaxed too, got it anyways…we’re all going to get it!

    If that’s all the majority get…is a fever for a day and slight cough….I don’t get all the hub bub about wearing masks and getting vaxed.

  52. Buc1987 Says:

    Oh yeah and Buddy is an a-hole.

    I mean really….

  53. Robertg Says:

    @ocala sorry bud but America is never going to be like it was in the 1950’s

  54. SB~LV Says:

    Loser mentally

  55. mark2001 Says:

    Sure Biff…It is easy…just like chronic wasting disease can escape from deer to humans. You kill it…you eat it…you get it.

  56. mark2001 Says:

    Gofor…I served about 50 years ago, cheesecake.

    I didn’t say it was China’s only discretion. America to be strong and smart. With good allies to protect our interests. And don’t wish for WWIII.

    Man..I hate these chickenhawks.

  57. mark2001 Says:

    Webster…I wasn’t talking politics. What did I say was wrong? Just the facts, man. We didn’t even stop those visitors from Europe that brought it to NY first. We waited…and denied. It would go from 10 to 5 to 1 case. Then poof…all gone.
    If you can’t handle that, it is on you.

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    mark2001…I don’t think Medicated Pete was being serious.

    It was Medicated Pete after all…

  59. adam from ny Says:

    are we having kicker issues again?

    at least we got a year off from all the madness at this roster spot in 2020

  60. mark2001 Says:

    Covid isn’t the problem…it is the hospitals that are. Without them, people would stay home and take their chances. And we wouldn’t have those darn hospitals complaining about being over run with patients and over worked. We wouldn’t know what people died from.. And Covid would disappear…poof.

  61. SB~LV Says:

    M2001 hospitals are cashing in from the Feds filling their beds
    This ain’t Covid May 2020

  62. Buc1987 Says:

    SB~LV….yeah in Covid May 2020 there was only 10,000 cases a day in Florida instead of right now with 20,000 cases a day…..

  63. sasquatch Says:

    I’m surprised we haven’t seen some regurgitation of disinformation from @cobra yet.

    Vaccines save lives.

    The virus mutates (thus the Delta variant). The reason it does this is because it has more vulnerable hosts in which it is able to mutate. Get vaccinated, don’t become a reason somebody else dies. This thing isn’t going away until the vast majority are vaccinated.

    US Covid death count currently is 630K… If you don’t get vaccinated, you’re basically saying you’re okay with that number increasing.

    This isn’t political. Help save lives. Help the hospital workers who are absolutely slammed. Help the economy and all the people who have been harmed by the pandemic. Get vaccinated.

    The rest of the world is looking at us thinking this is the dumbest fouecking country in the world because we can all be vaccinated FOR FREE, and half the people resist. So many places can’t get the vaccine so easily and are eager to do so.

    Vaccines save lives. Don’t be an idiot.

  64. mark2001 Says:

    87′. True…Pete is pete. But some seem to act like attacking China, economically if nothing else is the answer. Beat China with great American ideas…technology… standing up for freedom and democracy. I’m all for that. But start an economic war? That is like telling the only grocery store in town, that you won’t pay your bill to spite them. If China cut our credit off tomorrow, or our Chips, our lives would be substantially different.

  65. mark2001 Says:

    SB…They had it pretty good before this. How many people do you think will pay those $100,000 Covid copayment medical bills? And when they don’t, who will incur the cost of those deadbeats not paying? Hospitals and insurance companies, and eventually the government and consumers. Just saying. It is no bed of roses.

  66. Cobraboy Says:

    Hospitals get an extra $30,000 for a covid diagnosis, more in the ICU.

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    I got tested at CVS….how much do they get for a positive test?

  68. sasquatch Says:

    Dear boobs,
    Hospitals get more in order to offset the costs of care caused by the pandemic. They’re not being incentivized to diagnose Covid or send people to ICUs. Jeezus Phoucking Kreiste, this is the dumbest shyte I’ve heard.

  69. mark2001 Says:

    So Cobra ..How many people pay those huge copayments? How many can afford what we can in the way of reserve cash? And if the they don’t pay and the government pays it, the hospitals write it off, Medicare premiums or insurance premiums go up, who really eventually pays it? We unfortunate enough to pay taxes and premiums.

  70. mark2001 Says:

    Who eventually pays sasquatch? Someone has to pick up the tab.

  71. All lives matter Says:

    Some people who were vaccinated have died from covid.

  72. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Bruce Arians: Bucs Have “No Problems Whatsoever” With COVID
    August 23rd, 2021

    What do you expect after running this story yesterday Joe?

  73. PassingThru Says:


    It’s more nuanced than that. The US and Europe (or at least their corporate interests with backing of the WTO) created the People’s Republic of China economic monster. I should know, I’ve done business over there. It isn’t a level playing field, it was never a level playing field, and it will never be a level playing field. They are transactional, they hate the West, and in particular the US, Japan and Great Britain. They’ve stolen and seized intellectual property whenever possible. They might have had some friendly overtures during the Deng years, but it was never their plan to engage in fair trade. And now that we’re in the Xi years we can plainly see them for who they are: not Communists per se, but neo-fascists.

    It’s time to drop the pretense of fair trade that we never designed to be fair. It’s time to stop pretending that Taft-Hartley started the Great Depression (corporate propaganda paid for by grants to academics). It’s time to bring our factories back home and time to restructure our education system to better compete.

  74. PassingThru Says:

    Cobraboy, please stop spreading your BS.

  75. mark2001 Says:

    Go…Look, I’m no military expert.

    I have to say however, that I did implore those I could speak with, not to invade Iraq and then Afghanistan after 9/11. I wanted us to use our formidable intelligence capabilities to find out the perps, and use our special forces and that capability to find and destroy them, while the chickenhawks smelled blood and screamed, and even reasonably thinking people were drawn into the furvert righteous indignation and the need to kick someone’s A immediately. I was concerned about us reacting in anger, and walking into another Vietnam quagmire, with no clear exit strategy. How can you expect people with little history in democratic principles to set up a government and defend it in a short period of time? It was a prime opportunity for Russia and Iran. And not sure we ever really brought all the perps to justice. But anyway. Water under the bridge.

  76. mark2001 Says:

    Passing…not disagreeing with most of that.

    It was cheaper to have goods created there, and shipped here, than paying living wages to American workers and producing the goods here. And the cost to keep our rivers and communities clean. And the increased profits from buying those cheaper goods, and assembling them here, just cemented those great CEO jobs, high dividends, and stock price increases.

    Of course, over time it hurt us and our ability to be independent in so many ways. But like most things, we never think we are the ones that caused the was other companies…other CEO’s. And when the straw breaks the proverbial camels back, everyone runs for cover.

  77. mark2001 Says:

    And if I could add Passing.. American consumers are part of the problem ..buying short term feel good consumables made there, at the cost of their future financial well being, and demanding sometimes excessive wages and benefits, which simply encouraged companies to move that production offshore or elsewhere in America at best. Then have local governments and states compete for their facilities with promises of tax breaks, new infrastructure, and such. Not a pretty picture.

  78. mark2001 Says:

    BTW Passing. Anyone thing the best and brightest from China and elsewhere that attend the best Universities in America, and work for many of the top American Businesses, don’t take what they know or learned back to China for the countries benefit? Sure it is more nuanced. Just saying, you don’t necessarily have to break into a computer to get the best American Schools and Businesses have to offer.

  79. mark2001 Says:

    Anyone thinking…

  80. sasquatch Says:

    mark2001 Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 5:13 pm

    Who eventually pays sasquatch? Someone has to pick up the tab.

    We all do, as it should be… Just like when we go to war, or under a national emergency, we pay collectively. I’d rather spread the cost around than have lives financially destroyed because someone was unlucky enough to be diagnosed with Covid. Just the same as I don’t expect soldiers to pay for their gear. We all pay to protect the greater good. THAT is patriotism, not some phony flag-waving gun-collecting covid-denying crap practiced by some. They luvs them some freedumb.

  81. PassingThru Says:

    It’s cheaper but it involves costs that transcend what you see on a spreadsheet. It involves the closure and removal of factories and the destruction of entire communities. A friend of mine used to be in strategic planning for one of the major auto manufacturers. He told me about entire factories like the kind that stamp auto bodies being bought and shipped over there. You don’t buy that machinery, it takes years and heavy machinery to fabricate. Once that heavy industry leaves, what takes its place?

    Why do you think the American workers have nothing? The service sector jobs do not pay as well. People want answers so they find scapegoats, usually other people that are not the root of the problem. That’s how the Weimar Republic ended. And in America we found or rather created our own demagogue.

  82. mark2001 Says:

    I wish we all did sasquatch. Mostly it is we that pay tax, especially Income tax as we have no VAT or anything like that. That is why I would like to see us go back to the Pre-Reagan rates. Or at least the Reagan rates. But many would call those old Republican rates Socialism.

  83. PassingThru Says:

    And yes mark, we’ve all live in a consumerist state that would have shocked even Thorstein Veblen. What’s curious is that even when people have very little money they simply go to malls and try to find solace in shopping. It has become a form of self-medication.

  84. mark2001 Says:

    Passing.. agree about the cost to communities. I lived in a city that is struggling…worked for a fortune 50 company there. The city hired all sorts of public servants to provide services, from police to fire, to infrastructure to service the company, the workers and growing community. Those public servants now are retiring and have pensions. The city has to raise taxes, that people don’t want to pay, just to pay the pensions. The company has significantly downsized and moved elsewhere. The roads, sewer systems, are old. Downtown decay. Stagnant property values, or lower compared to most of the country. Urban decay. And the city is struggling…cut, cut, cut. Police, Fire, etc. And the company? Doing well elsewhere. Many old cities are like that, unless they are fortunate enough to have a “white knight” business come to town. It is like locusts came, took the best, and left the rest.

  85. SB~LV Says:

    2 great posts passing through!
    For every whatever large scale manufacturing facility, there are COUNTLESS jobs supporting the factory directly and indirectly, the workers need auto repair shops, the workers need groceries, their kids go to schools.
    This country was sold out by both parties over the past 30 years.
    Of course we can afford to manufacture everything we need in our own country, we did so ever since the industrial revolution! There is a symbiotic relationship and balance between labor and management… it was that that created the most prosperous country in the history of man .

  86. SB~LV Says:

    BTW… government paychecks city , county, state and federal are not jobs!

  87. mark2001 Says:

    BTW Passing.. was in Management there.. the locals dream.. the Ivory tower. The private parking deck. Not in upper Management, or involved in relocation decisions and such, though. Thankfully.. in light of the fruits of such a decision. Nothing lasts forever…but sad to see the place you grew up in suffer such a fate. Turn out the lights when the last one leaves.

  88. mark2001 Says:

    Sure they are SB….try functioning in society if no one is doing those “jobs”. Not jobs in private industry. But if you want someone to police your streets and put out your fires, or treat you at a community hospital, you better believe they aren’t jobs. Just tell them when you call them with an emergency that they aren’t jobs and see how that works out for you.

  89. mark2001 Says:

    SB.. you may not want to pay them for doing those jobs, but I’d bet they don’t want to pay you for whatever job you do, either.

  90. sasquatch Says:

    SB~LV Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    BTW… government paychecks city , county, state and federal are not jobs!

    a) not true
    b) really phoeking dumb statement

  91. SOEbuc Says:

    You let people post about using nuclear weapons on this Bucs site? SMH big time.

  92. DBS Says:

    B. He has never been a Firefighter for Hillsborough County for 30 years for sure.

  93. ClodHopper Says:

    Mark and Passing

    That was a great convo. I learned a lot.

  94. Stanglassman Says:

    sasquatch Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 6:02 pm
    SB~LV Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 5:53 pm

    BTW… government paychecks city , county, state and federal are not jobs!

    a) not true
    b) really phoeking dumb statement

    I’d go further Sasquatch and say it maybe the dumbest thing ever written on JBF commit page. I tell soldiers-Thank you for your service. Apparently he tells them-To get a real job.

  95. Erik Hesson - Fine Artist - City of St Pete - Visit for I AM ST PETE Merch Says:

    At least it was a vaccinated player who got it 1st, so hopefully the Bucs won’t end up being blamed/shamed/penalized if it spreads a bit…

  96. Erik Hesson - Fine Artist - City of St Pete - Founder of Says:

    At least it was a vaccinated player who got it 1st, so hopefully the Bucs won’t end up being blamed/shamed/penalized if it spreads a bit…

  97. SOEbuc Says:

    Of course I’m hoping the best of health to Succop, but I’m excited to see Jose. Maybe we can at least get in FG range this week. This might be the worst thing this offseason if we put this rookie on the practice squad to get scooped up and Succop who last year was a great, stable kicker but also likely heading towards the end of his career.

  98. Lets Roll Says:

    You can always spot the shills at a poker table because they are the ones that continue to throw money at dead hands.

    In this case we have a few GOV shill that continue to throw the OFFICAL CONSPIRACY THERORY at a dead argument.

    For those of you reading this thread to this point. Please don’t believe anything the shills are telling you. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH (and I don’t mean turning on your Tell a Vision and tuning into you favorite CHANEL to hear your PROGRAM). Trust me, the only thing worst than being a shill is being BRAINWASHED like the clowns on this blog.

    With vary little INDEPENDANT RESEARCH, you can find what ACTUAL Doctors (Not Mega Billionaire Vax Investor Bill Gates and his partner, GAIN OF FUNCTION Fauchi have to say).

    Its to figure out who the good guys and bad guys are. IGNORANCE is not an excuse when you have all the information you need from THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE at your finger tips.

    And to those of your FORCING your opinion and BELIEFS on others without doing LEGIT RESEARCH. SHAME ON YOU. Your them PROBLEM and NOT the solution.

    You can take you and your UNEDUCATED OPINION and go the F back to Disney Land. You are bullies and shills. You will be the first to go when to going gets tough.

    God Bless you all AND GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

  99. Lets Roll Says:

    Now a simple honest question to all of you pushing your medical beliefs onto everyone else.

    Are you ok with what is happening in Australia AS WE SPEAK?

    Should America follow that example?

    And please don’t tell me you don’t know or that its now true because you have not seen in on your TV-Channel-Program.

  100. Rod Munch Says:

    Again, literally everyone should just accept that fact they WILL get this at some point. That’s how these respiratory viruses work. I have zero issues with the vaccine, everything I’ve seen that is real shows that it greatly reduces the level of sickness and is completely safe (no, the guy on Twitter telling you that it has microchips in it that feed your location to the gov via 5G is not giving you proper info).

    With that said the pro-vax d-bags are they’re the top reason people don’t want to get vaxxed, because they don’t want to be in the pro-vax cult — and it is a cult. Trump got the vax done in record time, he literally saved millions of lives around the world because of that, yet the pro-vax cult would rather people die than give him credit and try to get him onboard to spread encourage vaccines.

    Also, I’m vaxxed and I will never show a vaccine card or take part in vaccine passport. Anyone who wants to mandate THIS vaccine is an anti-American POS. Period. Again, it’s these people who want to push this fascist garbage that are creating all the anti-vax sentiment. I will be fighting along side the anti-vax nutjobs because at least they’re fighting for freedom, unlike the other side.

    If you got the vaccine, like myself, then you do not need to worry about what other people. Period. Mind your own business. Everyone, vaxxed or not, will get this. There has never been a respiratory airborne virus that has been eliminated via a vaccine, and this one isn’t going to be eliminated either. These things become part of the cold/flu cycle, that’s how it’s always worked throughout human history. They constantly mutate, find ways around our defenses, our bodies then respond to the changes – and in very recent years, science can help accelerate that response. But it doesn’t eliminate anything.

    Again, everyone is going to get this. That is life. Get vaxxed if you want, don’t if you don’t want, but leave people the hell alone. What someone else does, when vaccines are available and you can wear as many masks as you want, does not impact you. Also, to the anti-vax nutjobs, just say you don’t want it and leave it at that. Stop with all the BS fake news. The vaccine is not dangerous, there’s is zero evidence of that, and no the VAERS database does now show thousands of people dying from the vaccine, that is 100% not what it shows. I’m on your side in terms of freedom, and you do not need to explain your decision, but please, for the love of God, shut up with the fake news and repeating what some ‘expert’ on twitter said as if it’s real. It’s not. Nothing on the internet is real. Nothing.

  101. BucEmUp Says:

    Lets Roll Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 7:55 pm
    Now a simple honest question to all of you pushing your medical beliefs onto everyone else.

    Are you ok with what is happening in Australia AS WE SPEAK?

    Should America follow that example?

    And please don’t tell me you don’t know or that its now true because you have not seen in on your TV-Channel-Program.

    Nobody believes what is happening in other countires can happen here. Problem is when it does happen here there will be nowhere to run…

  102. mark2001 Says:

    Lets roll…just read update about Australia. What a riveting example. They thought they could just isolate from the rest of the world, live normally and be safe. All under control. Old news. Then Delta arrived. And their population was caught flat footed… living as if Covid never existed… not being vaccinated because they thought they had it beaten.. no need. And now they are caught flat footed with skyrocketing cases and only a few over 25% of the population fully vaccinated, and half the country on lockdown. From almost nothing to a impending disaster in two months. Wow.

  103. Lets Roll Says:


    While your statement is true. I don’t plan on running. So these clowns will likely run to hide behind me and others like me.

    That’s when I will use a TALIBAN TACTIC, human shields are the best! LOL I’m just kidding, I wont mistreat the children.

    Besides, EVERYONE knows now that the Taliban is planning on “building back better”. <– Its gotta be true MSM is saying so.

    In all seriousness, MY BODY MY CHOICE, just cause the SEASONAL FLU has a new name, doesn't mean I will suddenly start taking the Flu Shot. Besides that, like a doctor recently said (ON MSN no less) about a patient that died of COVID, even though he had the Vax, "It could have been worst". Like I guess he could have burst into flames like all the other COVID victims who haven't taken the JAB(83).

    So yeah, same is true of not taking it. It could be worst if I get injected with something that I have no idea what it will do to me. Like I could end up like the 50 THOUSAND PLUS KNOWN people to date who are pursuing a class action Law Suit against the GOV (because big Pharma is protected from medical malpractice) for adverse effects from the JAB. Which will no doubt be paid out using our tax dollars.

    Experimental Drugs on an unsuspecting population has case law that can be used. In fact, The Nuremberg Code is the law set based on these cases.

    Here is the thing though, the Natsies lost than and they will lose again.

    Battle lines are being drawn FOR SURE

  104. mark2001 Says:

    Thanks Letsroll and BucEm. What a crystal clear example of what America would have likely been had we followed the alternative truth/Live free or die/ anti-vax crowd. Thank God enough of us actually listen to real news and did what the real experts have told us about this disease. And pray we don’t see a deadlier mutation.

  105. Lets Roll Says:


    So what you are saying is you support the government going around rounding up people and hauling them off to God knows where.

    You sir are my new hero. At least you speak what you believe. Hal Hitler!!!

    Tell me, if you can still get COVID even after being Shot up with??? IDK can you please enlighten everyone on what is in the VAX. Maybe that will ease our troubled minds.

    Anyways, so if you can still get the flu after the flu shot. WHY on EARTH would that mean its ok to round up people and arrest them for NOT HAVING THE SHOT?

    Please sir enlighten us with the FAX of why the JAB is so important. And don’t tell me it will make dying of the Sickness better

  106. Lets Roll Says:

    Im not anti vax. I have all of my PROVEN Vaccinations.

    Attacking me verses actually debating me just tells me you are swine and thus I will not cast any more pearl towards you.

    HOWEVER, I will tell you to stop misleading people with you FALSE NARRATIVES.

    Your either a Shill or SEVERLY BRAINWASHED. I will pray for the later.

    You know nothing of which you speak. You will be accountable to God, if not the end of a traitors rope first.

  107. mark2001 Says:

    The nation is reeling because of a public health disaster. So they require lockdowns. Hardly a political roundup and shipping to “who knows where”.

    I’ve told people what was in the vax. All you have to do is read a little.
    It isn’t experimental…been in development over 20 years. Do a little research. And now it is fully approved for adults. Your arguments are old news.

    It isn’t the flu. Again…2019 time warp? Sounds like Donnie in January of 2019. He has changed his tune.

    You get sick, but rarely die if you are fully immunized…where as if you are unvaccinated the chances of serious illness and death are much greater.

    And regarding the Taliban… Donnie’s boy Pompeo did that deal. So you must not like no one anymore.

  108. Lets Roll Says:


    My medical record is NONEYA MARK.

    If you want to carry papers depicting your health for everyone to see that is your business and I could careless if you have AIDS or whatever else you may have contracted though your own ignorance over the years.

    The fact is, you, just like the Government have NO RIGHT telling people what they MUST DO with their own bodies. AND IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT ME OVER THAT. MAY GOD HELP YOU mark


    Mark 2001, some minds in the White House thought the China virus was serious enough to shut down all travel from China by January 23rd(?), 2020, while jackasses in the opposing party gave him grief for it saying it was an overreaction. Even Dr. Doom himself, Anthony Fauci, was telling people not to wear masks a month later, so you might want to think about that before implying blame one way or another.

  110. Lets Roll Says:

    No more pearls for you mark. Enjoy playing with the house money while you have it friend.

    You appear Brain washed to the hilt. Good luck out there, you will always be welcomed in my camp.

  111. mark2001 Says:

    You have no pearls to cast. Just bogus fake news you absorbed from some dark recess of the internet or cable TV.

    And the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. That being the case, yours seem to account for little.

    And you don’t think you will be accountable to God for all the little ones you infect and those that die because of you and those like minded who refuse to believe we have a real pandemic and you need to act to protect yourself and others from a disease that is sweeping the world? I pray God will have mercy….you know not what you do.

  112. mark2001 Says:

    China was a stunt at that time. It first came here from Europe…too late to stop it from China. And when it got here, he downplayed it like it was the flu and disappeared, rather than calling it what it was and attacking it head on. Trump what the president and he goofed up while the virus spread in the early days…the best days when we had a chance to slow it down, with his denial.

  113. BradyBucs Says:

    Oh and the actual data shows that if you’re under 60 years of old, even unvaxxed, the chances of death are about 0.02%. But those figures are misleading as they often contained cases with other co-morbidities such as if someone had heart disease or even cancer and then died while having Covid.


    BTW, Mark 2001, not vaccinated but I likely had China virus February 2020 after my wife did contract it in January 2020 per our family doctor. Like most people who have or will get it, I had very minor cold symptoms that went away after a week. Of course, both my wife ad I are under 70 with no underlying serious health issues, so that would put us with most of the over 99%+ in our demographic who have gotten it and recovered.

  115. mark2001 Says:

    They stopped China travel…but it first arrived from Europe to New York. Certainly you remember Trumps denial about the severity of the virus. He said it was the flu and a political hoax. Remember? In those critical days, when we had a chance to slow it down, he was in denial.

  116. BradyBucs Says:

    I’m vaxxed but the data out of Israel, most vaccinated nation in the world, proves that vaccines are only about 30% effective against the Delta variant.

  117. mark2001 Says: an approaching 700.000 American lives are cut short. Glad to hear their early deaths mean so little to you, and you are taking it so well. Obviously none of your family members, I’d imagine.

  118. Lets Roll Says:


  119. BradyBucs Says:

    New study out today proves the cloth masks that 95% of people are wearing do NOT work to stop the spread of Covid. They’ll stop about 10-12% of airborne germs. You can Google for the study yourself.

  120. mark2001 Says:

    But the rate of death and serious injury in Israel is about 9 times higher for the unvaccinated as I remember. You don’t think that is significant?

  121. mark2001 Says:

    Don’t wear cloth masks. Wear KN95 and Honeywell N95. So Check that out.

  122. Cobraboy Says:

    PassingThru Says:

    Cobraboy, please stop spreading your BS.

    I stand by every statement I make online.

    I am not a prog who talks out of my Pelosi.

    My niece is the CFO of a clinic in the Myrtle Beach area. Tell HER that clinic does not get more $$$ from Medicare/Medicaid for a covid diagnosis and ICU therapies.

    If you shut off the additional reimbursement and dropped the PCR test cycles from 40+ to 24, this scamdemic vanishes.

    Anybody else read the Pfizer documents for the “awarded” FDA approval?

    Anybody recall the drug Rezulin?

    Anybody else aware thas Pfizer statestheir EGT is only 95% effective for seven days (a test for who read the Pfizer documents.)

    Anybody else aware that NO long-term studies for their EGT have been done? Not one? But but but they promise they would, fingers crossed, trust us.

    Anybody else understand while the Pfizer EGT showed 95% effectiveness in the first seven days…that the NO vaccine group also showed a…drum roll, please…95% effectiveness against covid?

    Anybody else aware that Big Pharma funds 75% of the FDA?

    Anybody else besides me give a crap about truth and facts? Or is the prevailing political narrative from the reallyreallyreally kool kids suffice?

    Some day the ignorant millenials an their dumba$$ communist parents will learn that while crumudgeons may be onery and stubborn, they are often more right than wrong.

    FWIW: I had covid. I don’t need the galldang jab.

  123. Bird Says:


    Dude shut the f up man
    You have single handedly ruined this site with 24/7 politics

    Go back in the archives and look up how many articles you write every time covid comes up. How many did you write above. What 20-30
    Nobody cares about what degrees you have or your son is a scientist
    Nobody cares

    The head of the cdc went on wolf blitzer or whatever his name is and said the vaccine cannot stop transmission or stop from getting it. The vaccinated are spreading it too Look how many people have gotten it on this site and are fully vaccinated. The most vaccd countries in the world are getting spikes.

    Get over yourself. Such a little B
    Please just go somewhere else

  124. Lets Roll Says:

    Although the SPIKE Protean in the VAX is REAL and IS the Signature Protean of AIDS.

    So I would have to say that getting a Spike Protean injectate into me is a bit dangerous to my immune system.

    Just saying. NOT FAKE NEWS. Gain of Function is an ABSOLUTE FACT.

  125. Oxycodoms Says:

    Just ask an icu nurse or dr the percentage of people that aren’t vaccinated who get admitted

  126. Lets Roll Says:

    Last one for you Mark

    Your an ABSOLUTE IDIOT if you think I would cause a child to suffer. Thats why when I see that children ARE NOT AT RISK of the sickness I fight FOR THEM TO NOT BE FORCE VACINATED.

    You are a SHILL and I wish Joe would BAN your deceiving despicable ass

  127. Lets Roll Says:

    Actually Mark, one more question. What are the numbers for Flu Death pre COVID vs Post COVID?

    I have been DIEING to know.

  128. mark2001 Says:

    Have some P100’s I could use if I was only concerned only about myself, or a new variant was more deadly, with the canisters and such I use with Chemicals…organic vapors and such. But no need to over react. Also have N95 Cool Flows…but only use them for woodworking hobby, because they won’t protect others at all. I’m a humanitarian.

  129. mark2001 Says:

    Look it up. But I know it is only about 15,000 at most. Some say as little as 3000 nationally. You want to compare that to Covid deaths?

  130. mark2001 Says:

    Read the Tampa Bay Times…more and more kids are contracting it and ending up in the hospital. So I suggest you get that Vaccine, for your love of children if nothing else.

  131. Lets Roll Says:

    Mark your a Tool. You need some serious help girl. Assuming your a girl that identifies as a guy because you are a true b!tch when it comes to talking about defending MANKIND.

    Leave this conversation to the men and TRUE WOMEN who fight for your rights to be such a vagg.

  132. mark2001 Says:

    Sure Let’s.. you sure sound like a Christian and a righteous man.

  133. mark2001 Says:

    Aids? Wow. Fake. But that is one you had to dig pretty deep for.

  134. Lets Roll Says:

    15 thousand died of the FLU post COVID when the FLE accounted for more than 100 thousand pre COVID.

    So FINALLY we agree on something. COVID is a killer, It killed the FLU.

    THANK YOU MARK and Good Night

  135. mark2001 Says:

    I served my country about 50 years ago, as a man. You sound like a chickenhawk, as we used to call guys like DT and his likeminded kind.

  136. mark2001 Says:

    It didn’t kill the Flu… I suspect more isolation and mask wearing actually reduced the flu spreading. But even subtracting 15000 from about 700,000 deaths isn’t a very logical reason to conclude anything positive. Even using your strange logic, that is still 685 thousand more deaths of Americans than would have died otherwise.

  137. mark2001 Says:

    Flu was never 100,000 a year. Some years approaching 60.000. But never 100,000 even in the worst years of this century.

  138. mark2001 Says:

    Lets Roll…Running back to his fake news refuge, I suspect.

  139. Cobraboy Says:

    Walensky in March 2021: Vaxxxines work! Kick butt!

    Walensky in August 2021: Vaxxxines? Maybe not so much, and in fact some might get worse.

  140. Cobraboy Says:

    Sorry, Loyal Comrade Mark, but the PCR was used to determine “deaths” in the vast, vast majority of patients post mortem to get to that alleged 700,000.

    The mathematical problem with that (that the fear porn acolytes fap over) is the PCR at 40+ cycles—the test standard—delivers 90-95% false positives.

    So what happens with the numbers when one multiplies 700,000 by .1 non-false positives? Huh?

    And what happens if the PCR is cycled at 24 cycles?

    Are you also aware that the FDA recently told clinicians to s#!tcan the PCR by end of September because of faulty reliability problems? And return unused tests to the manufacturer?

    Additionally, are you aware the inventor of the PCR stated emphatically that it should NEVER be used as a diagnostic tool?

  141. Reddington Neck Shores Says:

    Quick!!! Resign Michael Clayton! Doesn’t matter if he’s vaxxd or not the dude cant catch anything!

  142. Cobraboy Says:

    @ Loyal Comrade Mark: then it should be easy peasy to show 700,000 excess deaths in the US, right?

  143. Reddington Neck Shores Says:

    Oh and cobra boy is a fake scientist so pay no mind. Just knows a few buzz words. Also now an expert on Afghanistan too on his other posts

  144. Cobraboy Says:

    Fauci killed 70,000 with AZT. How many will he kill with the EGT?

  145. Lets Roll Says:

    HAHA, look Comrade Mark has a fellow Brown coat @Reddington Neck Shores

  146. Cobraboy Says:

    Seems 100% of the 26 people on that Carnival Cruise Line ship that tested positive—and one died—were vaxxxinated.

    But but but…how can that be?

  147. Lets Roll Says:

    Bottom Line is simple. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH PEOPLE.

    NOTHING IS FOR CERTIAN. Thus when you find uncertainties, dont be so certain you know EVERYTHING.

    FOLLOW THE SCIENCE. note: Science Changes ALL THE TIME. You might want to Follow Jesus Instead.

  148. Cobraboy Says:

    Well, Loyal Comrade Reddington, then it should be easy to prove me wrong.

    Go ahead. Shoot your load.

    Seems you have a problem with someone who doesn’t just lay down and take what some gubmint polyester-wearing puke says.

    And someone who chooses to do actual research, and not parrot the Overlord talking points…much less believe them.

    I stand by 100% of my statements.

  149. Lets Roll Says:

    Cobraboy, Fake News.

    You are not allowed to tell people what is happening without being told you dont know what is happening.

    I mean after all, Weapons of Mass Destruction actually do exist in Iraq and Barak Hussain Obama… I what was the leader of Iraqs name? Whatever, don’t mater. They have weapons of Mass Destruction. So give up your freedoms and let us violate your children in the airports… I mean Patriot Act is better than the constitution cause it accounts for WEAPONS OF MASS DISTRUTION… DUH!!!

  150. Cobraboy Says:

    The good news is according to the Bank of America statisticians, the “delta” variant peaked two weeks ago and is in decline.

  151. Cobraboy Says:

    @Let’s Roll: as I often say, Some make better serfs than Free Men.

    The greatest achievement of modern scientists is that they have become as corrupt as politicians.

    Besides: Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same…

  152. Lets Roll Says:

    Cobraboy, didnt you hear, it could have been much worst for the one that died if he hadn’t had the vax.

    Gezzz, guess this shot keeps you from DIEing Harder? Wait what…. Gerr, its so hare to figure out what is true and what is not.

    How about all the adverse affects. H1N1 vax got shut down after like 15 adverse affects. This Vax has over 50k REPORTED adverse affects.

    Do what you want to your own body and leave the rest of us alone. Im for real when I say these people taking the needle are like addicts when they suggest how good it feels to shoot up.

    I hope they are not forever gone too though. That would be sad.

  153. Lets Roll Says:

    For the record Cobraboy, that was deep. Almost went over my head. Almost missed the Gorge Orwell Reference.

    I tip my cap to you sir/mam. I owe you a beer. Gonna have to find a watch party to meet up at.

  154. Lets Roll Says:

    The totalitarian government of Oceania is constantly at war with one of the other two totalitarian superpowers that dominate the world: Eurasia and Eastasia. The objective is not to win the war, but to maintain a constant state of war in order to keep its citizens under control. When it is at war with Eastasia, the government declares that it has always been at war with Eastasia, that its people are an eternally hated enemy that must be destroyed. When the sides change, the same thing is said about Eurasia. It is considered every patriotic citizen’s duty to believe both statements are true.

  155. Bush's Coke Spoon Says:

    Lets Roll Says:
    “No more pearls for you mark. Enjoy playing with the house money while you have it friend.”

    Mark is definitely a shill. Company man.

    “It is easier to deceive someone, than to convince them that they have been deceived.”

    But he tries entirely too hard to just be brainwashed. He is a deceiver.

  156. Lets Roll Says:

    Just to bring this full circle. Dam you Ryan for not kick the sickness, if only you would have gotten the Vax.

    Much Love to all you fellow patrons of the world. I expect the worst but hope, pray and PREPARE for the BEST.

  157. Lets Roll Says:

    Bush’s Coke Spoon,

    Well said friend. Thank You for that!!!

    And to all, I apologize for letting a SHILL get me fired up. I just couldn’t sit back and let my fellow fans and family hear only one side of this argument. Even though it is a DEAD ARGUMENT.

    And KUDOS to Cobraboy, you got me covered in spades and I love you for it.

    @Joe, if you want to run COVID related article and let WE THE PEOPLE hash it out. I believe YOU WILL WIN IN THE END.

    SO THANK YOU JOEBUCSFAN for the platform UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES to talk it out with everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  158. Joe Says:

    SO THANK YOU JOEBUCSFAN for the platform UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES to talk it out with everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You are welcome. Joe embraces diversity of thought.

  159. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Unfortunately, COVID (Delta) is spreading like wildfire. The only real solution is not something that is remotely reasonable, especially in the US.

    But, worth considering is this: If we had all done as directed (worldwide I mean), would the virus have survived long enough to mutate to this degree? It’s a question worth pondering.

    Personally, I’m more concerned with the next big virus. Because, clearly, people are to stubborn to do what it takes to beat it.

  160. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    mark2001, thank you for your service.

    I myself have never officially served. So I honor you.

    As to China…it is what it is. While there are plenty of things we can hold against China, I don’t personally believe this is one of them. I don’t buy into conspiracy theories, so I do not believe it was created in a lab.

    Much more likely, this was the result of something in nature, much like Ebola is.

    Regardless, China got it first. It;s easy to blame them for letting it spread, but considering how it hides it’s presence before showing symptoms, can we really blame them for it getting out? I don’t.

    Rather than point fingers, I’d prefer to focus on things we can deal with now.

  161. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Cobraboy, it is not a scam. That much I can tell you from personal experience.

    As to clinics getting money? If they administer tests, they deserve to be paid. You expect health workers to do their jobs for free?

    This thing is spreading so badly because people do not take it seriously…and argue all you want, but the proof is publicly out there…and blatantly obvious.

    Again though…I speak from personal experience.

  162. BradyBucs Says:


    You stated how the flu usually accounts for 60,000 deaths a year.

    Now show us the average deaths per from heart disease and then show how those numbers changed in 2019.

  163. NativeSonX Says:

    Rod Munch Says:
    August 24th, 2021 at 8:35 pm
    “There has never been a respiratory airborne virus that has been eliminated via a vaccine, and this one isn’t going to be eliminated either.”

    Truly I’m not picking a fight with you, I just find that statement, factually problematic. Maybe you haven’t heard of smallpox? “Human-to-human transmission of variola virus occurs by inhalation of large, virus-containing airborne droplets of saliva from an infected person.” A predominantly respiratory-transmitted disease that had a mortality rate of 30% (meaning 3 of every 10 people who contracted it died), was eradicated in 1980. The last known outbreak in the US was in 1949. Since 1900, smallpox has been estimated to have killed 300 million people. If the world didn’t work together (by choice or by mandate) to put an end to smallpox, we would still be seeing regular outbreaks across the globe, decimating the unvaccinated among us.

    Humanity as a whole thought it best to end the terror of smallpox. So we know a global scale vaccination program can work to eliminate disease or at least contain its worst consequences. I don’t see why we all can do the same to tame SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19 viral origin. Doing anything less will cost humanity more lives, treasure and limit additional freedoms we have already taken for granted. Let Darwin’s Law spare the prepared among us, and cull the unrepentant flocks of those who choose the inflexibility of zealous “personal choice” as the end-all-be-all Gospel, instead of rallying for increased cooperation to end this existential threat to us all. Propagate, mutate, adapt, infect ad infinitum, a simple but elegant killing machine whose future becomes more endemic as we fail our common responsibility to uphold the social contract. After all, this virus has proven no man’s an island.

    Lastly, why do some fans of this TEAM sport think promoting unfettered rugged individualism and self-interest (everyone else be damned) is compatible, with a well-crafted game plan that relies on the precise execution of the team collective, working in unison to achieve their common goal of winning. You may have the right to freelance and to gamble, but it will cost your team the game eventually. Stick to the game plan, don’t play hero ball. That’s why coaches coach, and players execute. I guess that’s why we are fans after all, we cheer, criticize, second guess, but never good enough to be the one’s executing and making the plays that matter.

    BTW the moniker, “The Sickness” was never cute and it trivializes the historic impact this disease will leave on humanity and the countless number of lives that will be lost in its wake. Six degrees of COVID-nation gets smaller by the day, and may eventually take away someone you truly care about. Karma sucks like that. But who am I to tell you this, because this virus hasn’t finished it’s conversation with us all quite yet.

  164. mark2001 Says:

    Brady..heart disease isn’t a communicable disease. What next? How many people die in wars and auto accidents?

  165. mark2001 Says:

    I think Cobra and Lets Roll have found a like minded friend. Or maybe they are twins? But in any case, glad to see they have connected. Hearts and Flowers.

  166. mark2001 Says:

    Maybe an outdoor spring wedding is in the offing? They can break vaccine syringes to seal their marriage.

  167. mark2001 Says:

    Bush can hook them up for the wacko drugs for their wedding reception.

  168. mark2001 Says:

    You guys lost..the argument is over. Humanity, Intelligence, Science, and Medicine prevailed. But if it makes you feel better to throw up on the board with all your fake protestations and lies from the deep recesses of the internet, your prerogative. You are like a deer fatally wounded during hunting season. You run a half a mile before dropping over. It is over, but the deer just doesn’t know it. It is their instinct to run…yours to blather fake information…until you/ theydrop over.

  169. Cobraboy Says:

    @BB: Covid is real. It’s just not this monster pandemic the left wants to use for political purposes.

    I had covid, and it was a bad flu. I have lost more friends to the shot than to the disease.

  170. mark2001 Says:

    OK.. I’ll leave these guys to their love fest. Reminds me of a song “Love..exciting and new…come aboard. If your vaccinated….”
    But to shows how twisted you can become, they would interpret what is going on in Australia as some big government effort to “take them away”. Rather, it is a picture of what America would have been, were it not for the fact that we had self imposed “lockdowns” and lifestyle “restrictions” that many of us followed, and following the medical suggestions and business mask requirements and got vaccines to slow down the spread of the disease. But their misinformation masters have so captured them, that they can’t see the big picture anymore. Pretty pathetic.

  171. Cobraboy Says:

    We’ve gone from “two weeks to flatten the curve” to “Show me your papers.”

    And totalitarian progs swoon and cheer.

    Todays unvaxxxed are 1938’s Juden.

  172. Cobraboy Says:

    @NativeSonX: smallpox is not a coronavirus.

    Massive difference.

    This EGT is not a “vaccine” at all. It is genetic instructions for the body to actually PRODUCE parts of live virus…that spread throughout the body, attach itself to capillaries and by friction and penetration destroy blood cells, and in almost every case causing platelet response: blood clots.

    The smallpox vaccine is an actual vaccine: small particles of inert virus to train the B- and T-cells to identify, attack and destroy.

    Some Loyal Comrade said mRNA has been around for twenty years. True. But this same LC failed to mention that every attempt at a coronavirus “vaxxxine” has failed spectacularly, and some even killed the host.

    LC’s should listen to what the inventor of mRNA technology states clearly about the current mRNA EGT’s.

    This vaxxxine is no different. In fact, today in Israel it is reported that a new “variant” is emerging…from the vaxxxed.

    This is a bad vaxxxine that is creating more problems than it solves…and we have absolutely NO IDEA what the long-term implications may be.

    Once you get this EGT there is no ungetting it.

    It’s like a bad tattoo, but with blood clots.

    These clots are WHY are so susceptible to harming diabetics.
    Another LC said “clinics should be paid to treat patients,” a statement of extreme ignorance. Of course they should. Every man should be paid for their labor. But that is NOT what is happening. Clinics are being paid a BONUS beyond standard ICD codes with a “covid” diagnosis, above and beyond regular treatment.

    Additionally, my niece (CFO of a clinic in Myrtle Beach) confirmed that doctors in the clinic get cash bonuses from BC/BS if 60% of their patient base get The Jab; depending on specialty with peds the lowest, the individual annual bonus for vaxxx compliance is as high as $40,000, and the clinic overall also gets a bonus.

    Don’t tell me there is no personal financial incentive for docs to push the EGT.

  173. Cobraboy Says:

    @LC Mark: I thought you were going to leave, period.

    No self control?

  174. BerrickDrooks Says:

    man that sucks! now he only has a 99% chance of living, OH GOD.

  175. Buccfan37 Says:

    To me it is blatantly obvious that covid is a US sponsored creation. Big Pharma has immunity from all negative outcomes, that is all the proof one needs to identify the responsible culprit. Over populate the Earth and this is the result.

  176. Bird Says:


    So search south nevada health department covid deaths…52 % were fully vaccinated. You think this is being covered fairly around the country ?

    40% of people in hospitals in UK are fully vaccinated. If you are in hospital i would think they have serious symptoms

    Leader of cdc clearly said vaccine does not stop transmission or stop you from getting it. But yah. Lets treat the people who dont trust the jab like the scarlet ltr. Keeping getting your booster shot every few months or year

    That is your body. Your choice . So cool with me
    Good day

  177. BradyBucs Says:


    My point about deaths per from heart disease is that the CDC numbers for that disease listed as cause of death (average deaths per year from prior years) now have those numbers significantly being report LOWER in their death data. Many of those cases have shifted to be included as “Covid” causing deaths instead.

    So the reported deaths from Covid is misleading due to the way they’re combining any co-morbidity at death as ‘Covid’ death if Covid antibodies are present.

    These aren’t people “dying early” from those other diseases, it’s simply following the same average per year per capita deaths and see many of them have been ‘shifted’ over to be counted as if they’re Covid-responsible deaths. So this clouds the true mortality rate of Covid itself.

  178. sasquatch Says:

    The original vaccines were not designed for the delta variant, which has lowered the efficacy significantly. This is still not a good reason to not get vaccinated. And we have someone claiming to know people who have died from the vaccine? Really? I call BS. Everyone that I keep in touch with is vaccinated. Nobody had anything worse than a couple days of flu-like symptoms. I had no symptoms from the 2nd shot. No one I personally know has told me horror stories of anyone getting severely ill or dying within their network of friends, family, and acquaintances.

    The answer isn’t to avoid vaccines because they’re imperfect. It’s to continue to evolve the vaccine to treat variants and get it into arms at as high a rate as possible to minimize the continuing impact of the pandemic.

    If you’re going to claim the vaccines are unsafe and there’s some kind of coverup, please cite a credible source for your information.

  179. BradyBucs Says:


    But there’s ZERO proof of what you’re saying in terms of Australia, etc.

    You seem to misunderstand one of the most elements of all virology and the history of it. When there’s a virus, like Covid, that has an overall mortality rate that’s like 0.02% and much that data is skewed due to stating a death with other co-morbidities is due to “Covid.”… There’s another important factor…


    Scientists estimate that 10X-12X the number of people in the US have had Covid compared to the reported Case Numbers — because millions were asymptomatic and had no reason to go get tested or to go to a doctor.

    The US was already reaching Herd Immunity for the primary strain of Covid-19 (before the Delta variant). This had very little to do with vaccinations. Look at the chart trends by date. The case numbers were already falling on a consistent downward trend even before all the vaccinations started.

  180. sasquatch Says:

    Buccfan37 Says:
    August 25th, 2021 at 10:00 am

    To me it is blatantly obvious that covid is a US sponsored creation. Big Pharma has immunity from all negative outcomes, that is all the proof one needs to identify the responsible culprit. Over populate the Earth and this is the result.

    Adjust tin-foil hat. Yeah, and Orangeman won the election, democrats eat babies, climate change is a hoax, and Q is a prophet. Jeezus. 🙄🙄🙄

  181. mark2001 Says: point is that, at the very least the Covid contributed to their early demise of those identified as such. There is no definitive proof to reasonably believe otherwise.

    And if you lose a loved one, one year, five years, ten years, twenty years earlier than they would have died, it is a tragedy. Ask the people that have lost loved ones.

    The point is that this disease is a serious health situation. And with Delta, and possibly more dangerous variants only a mutation away, it is critical that we do all we can to protect ourselves and fellow citizens. Some are…I think I am. And some aren’t…and may not realize it until they carry out a loved one, or leave a loved one with a mountain of medical bills and little else. Best for everyone to try to pull together for the protection of our fellow American citizens.

  182. mark2001 Says:

    And Brady…the scientists said all around we needed a 70 or 80 percent number to reach herd immunity with the old Covid. In some places we did.. in many, not even close. With this new Delta, some are saying we may never reach “herd immunity”. That means a yearly vaccine or whatever. Hate to see that. But the virus is a living thing, at war with us. And some just want to surrender.

  183. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Wow, over 50 posts from Markie and the boyz from frantically trying to control the narrative.

    I smell panic!

    Vaxxed players and coaches sick.

    Older media personnel sick and dying.

    Jerry Jones over playing his hand, raising on a busted flush.

    Saints giving tickets away on MNF.

    I smell panic, Markie.

  184. mark2001 Says:

    No panic Ghost. Just trying to deal with issues some may have, to assuage any fears, because of the dark internet horse pucky that some of you guys are dishing out. America won with full approval of the vaccine for adults. And it will eventually be as required as other fully approved vaccines are. America will be great and healthy again.

  185. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    Dr Malone: Pfizer still Under EUA and Waiver. Comirnaty is Fully Approved, Not Currently Available.

    Pfizer got FDA approval for a Vax that does not exist and will never exist because it will have no liability shield. They simply negotiated a theoretical process for future approval.

    The Main Stream Media and Sloppy Joe are lying to you. Comirnaty does not actually exist anywhere on this planet.

  186. mark2001 Says:

    Irrational Ghost…cutting and pasting the bull spit he get from the dark recesses of the Web. No truth in most all of it. What a bizarre character.

  187. Cobraboy Says:


    According to the Southern Nevada Health District (Las Vegas) stats for the week of 8/11-8/19, 52% of covid deaths were fully vaxxxed, and 23% of those were in the over-65 y.o. crowd (vs.90+% of covid deaths overall.)

    But, safe and effective, nothing to see here, move along, wear a mask and comply with garden gnome dictates lest The Overlords further restrict your freedoms.

    (Oh, a second stat group announces “delta” is declining rapidly.)

  188. PassingThru Says:

    I’m pro-vaccination, but unfortunately I’m not going to change anyone’s mind with a single post or a series of posts. We’ve all chosen sides and the positions are intransigent. Let’s hope it works out best for everyone singularly as well as for our friends, families, communities and the economy as a whole.

  189. Lets Roll Says:

    Well one MAJOR take away from all of this buffonory being spewed by the AIs is we now know for certain who the new JBF TROLLS are.

    Nothing and I MEAN NOTHING is worst than trying to talk to a KNOW IT ALLs who KNOW NOTHING but what they have been lead to believe through YEARS of “Social Engineering”.

    These type of people are scary because they will lead you to water and have you test it to see if you die before drinking it themselves. That or they will pick a fight and run when the bullets start to fly.

    The word for them is COWARDS. However one must ask in order to be fair and balanced.

    Are they, Actual Idiots or Artificial Intelligence. You Decide.

    Time to shut this down folks. ONLY Losers claim victory after the winners have shat all over them and left the game. This entire thread was dedicated to letting the Shills and Brainwashed expose themselves over a DEAD ARGUMENT.

  190. mark2001 Says:

    You mean the Southern district that says this?
    Today, the Southern Nevada Health District is reporting 257,961 cases of COVID-19 in Clark County, an increase of 740 cases since yesterday. The Health District is also reporting an additional three deaths, bringing the total to 4,483. The community’s COVID-19 7-day test positivity rate is also on the rise, and these factors serve as a reminder for the public that the pandemic is not over. It is important to continue to take steps to protect themselves and others, including getting fully vaccinated and getting tested.

    Hmmm…sounds like they think Vaccination is pretty important. Weak Cobra…very weak.

  191. mark2001 Says:

    Glad we have the entire dark web crew back. No problem…They look like deer running after the fatal encounter with the hunter, having already lost, just waiting to drop over. They just haven’t figured it out yet.

  192. mark2001 Says:

    And Let…we are already Vaxxed. We drank the proverbial water, and doing fine.
    Did you cut and paste your post from last year?

  193. mark2001 Says:

    More Children Are Hospitalized With Covid-19, and Doctors Fear It Will Get Worse

    Wall Street Journal…Aug. 22.

    Let…you said you would protect the little children. So are you ready to join me and get vaccinated and masked up? I mean, if you really mean what you said about loving and protecting them.

  194. Cobraboy Says:

    @LC Mark: your Aussie Loyal Comrade Overlord has stated that even if there is no covid and the population is 80% xvaxxxed, there will never be going back to the prior “normal,” that masks, mandate and emergency orders will continue, with the military as enforcement.


    Of course, such proclamations is EXACTLY what Klaus Schwab said should happen in his recent book: Covid-19: The Great Reset.

    And the global Loyal Comrades swoon as The Internationale plays in the background.

    Maybe this will be the next sequel, Coming to America 3: The Great Reset…

  195. Cobraboy Says:

    “For the chiiiirrrrreeennn”

    Where have we heard that before?

  196. Cobraboy Says:

    @LC Mark: deaths, 8/11-18, not cases.

    Cases don’t mean jackPelosi with a 90-95% incidence of false positives.

  197. Lets Roll Says:

    No Mark you jumped off a bridge you didnt drink the water.


    It is about to get nasty in here. The Circus has ended and this clown needs STFU with his twisted FAKE NEWS lies about individual choice and personal PERSONAL Heath advice.

    Its no longer a rational argument. Its a straight up Agenda being pushed to pick a fight. This dunce is likely a news anchor practicing his talking points.

    Real people can’t discus what they have discovered on they’re own without being spit at.

    SHUT IT DOWN JOE or I will force your hand or be banned. One way or another everyone needs to shut up now and just walk away.

  198. mark2001 Says:

    Cobra….They aren’t 80% immunized.. as of 7 pm Aug. 23, only a little over 29% percent had even had their second vaccine. Please…I used to respect the fact that you have some truth mixed amongst the absurdity. But seems the last days, you have been reduced to only the absurd. And something so easy to verify. Very pathetic.

  199. mark2001 Says:

    And yeah Cobra…you were wrong in saying kids don’t get affected or seriously ill just a few days ago. It does happen…more and more often. Seems like you are on a losing streak.

  200. Cobraboy Says:

    “Dark recesses of the internet” = “Not the accepted prog narrative, therefore it must be cancelled.”

  201. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:


    “Are they, Actual Idiots or Artificial Intelligence. You Decide.”

    Markie, Stephie, unbelievable and passingthrough are “Disinformation artists” that work for which is 100% funded by Johnson & Johnson Pharmaceutical

  202. mark2001 Says:

    You dismissed the point that Las Vegas still fully believes in vaccines….where as you aren’t providing good data.
    Since June 1, breakthrough cases have accounted for 11 percent of COVID-related hospitalizations, he said. It is unclear how many of the hospitalizations were in COVID-positive patients with other conditions, such as heart attack or stroke. Deaths in fully vaccinated people accounted for 13 percent of COVID-related fatalities.
    As of July 29, 71 percent of hospitalized breakthrough cases were in people 65 and older, and 82 percent had underlying health conditions, such as diabetes, high blood pressure or chronic lung or heart disease, according to data posted by the district on its website.

  203. mark2001 Says:

    You lost boys….man up and admit it. No one really believes anything you glean from the dark recesses of the web. Are you boys ready to drop over like the deer yet?

  204. mark2001 Says:

    And for anyone still reading but for the lost boys, just look at their sources of their information. Just cut, and paste their data in a search engine. Crackpot websites that even an eighth grade kid would find too ridiculous to use in a class report. Sad cases.

  205. mark2001 Says:

    You guys are actually getting pretty boring.

  206. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    “You lost boys….man up and admit it.”

    Scroll up and count how many times Markie posted 4 or 5 consecutive posts forgetting to change characters desperate to control the narrative.

    I smell panic.

  207. mark2001 Says:

    The WHO is begging us not to get boosters and send all our vaccines to far flung places all over the world, because they want it so badly. People so desperately want and need it. Yet here we have Bozo’s that refuse it for some bizarre misguided reason, when even Trump and Biden have taken it, their congressmen, and almost everyone else is a position of power. Yet they think it is some Satanic conspiracy to destroy their genes or whatever. As if their genes are more precious than anyone else. Go figure.

  208. Cobraboy Says:

    @LC Mark: I never said the Aussies were 80% vaxxed. I stated their leader stated that EVEN IF 80% were xvaxxed, They get The Great Reset.

    Sharpen your reading skilz, boy.

    And I NEVER said kids aren’t affected. Kids get sick all the time, it’s part of developing an immune system.

    They just don’t die in any numbers that warrant hysteria.

    Hell, parents, as I type, are hosting “covid parties” for their spawn, just like our neighborhood parents hosted chickenpox, mumps, and measles parties when I was a kid.

    I never had CP, rubella, or mumps vaccines because I caught the real McCoy at parties and became immune. I never got the whooping cough vaccine…just because, I suppose, never knew why. Mom CB knew best.

    We did get the Sabin polio sugar cube in 1961.

    FACT: less than .5 of 1% of all covid infections become “serious,” and an even smaller number in the under-20 crowd.

    Your hysteria is better placed on lightning strikes.

    What you need, Loyal Comrade, is a full all-risk, pain-free bubble. Seems you’re afraid of your own shadow and are overjoyed with totalitarian actions taken against those unwashed heathens who won’t drink the Kool Aid. Yeah, I know, Deplorables and Orange Man Bad. Heard it all before. :rolleyes:

    I ride a motorcycle 20 miles every day to my home construction site, all in third-world traffic, and without any 911 emergency services. I stand a higher risk of dying in a moto wreck than covid, and the risk of dying in a moto accident is tiny beyond belief, stat-wise. Some of us just need fear pron to get off, I suppose, so by all means enjoy yourself.

  209. mark2001 Says:

    Ghost…the court jester of the Dark web. Like I said…the deer doesn’t know it is all over.

  210. Cobraboy Says:

    @ LC Mark: no, “Las Vegas” does NOT believe in vaxxxines. The progressive communist Overlords of the local gubmint do. Like all Loyal Comrade tyrants do.

  211. mark2001 Says:

    Poor Cobra…left to blather, reduced to bizarre name calling and twisted facts.

    Again, notice that Australia is going full bore with the vaccinations because they know it saves multiple lives and industries.

    I have said I don’t know, with the virulence of the Delta, that we may never reach herd immunity… in this thread I think. And perhaps he is just PO’ed that for so long his populace thought like you did and are now paying a heavy price.

    And we may be looking at yearly vaccines. But that doesn’t make them bad or ineffective. It means we are in a battle with a living foe, changing and becoming more difficult.

  212. mark2001 Says:

    You only believe what your dark web thought overlords tell you. Cobra. Very sad.

  213. mark2001 Says:

    Sorry Lost Boys.. fun to see you twist in the wind and run like that fatally wooded deer I mentioned earlier. But don’t worry about being consumed by some hunter or anything horrible. They would pay a huge price. I suspect you guys have chronic wasting disease already.

  214. Lets Roll Says:


    Your nothing more than a pathetic race batter but even worst.

    EVERY LAST one of your talking point is has be trashed through and through. Yet here you are still claiming victory over something that should not be talked about so lightly and ignorantly the way that you have.

    Your references to they and he and MSM are all dead give aways to the fact that you are a dead man walking. A ZOMBIE and skin suit for EVIL.

    Im sorry your buddy Jeffery hung himself and that grandpapie Bush spilled all the bean to save his soul before he was put down.

    I feel like if I ever saw you in person I would be able to identify you on one of Hunter laptop videos or one of HRCs videos. I have seen it all and I don’t need you or anyone telling me that my eyes are lying to me.

    Additionally mark. Identifying yourself as someone who would rather round up healthy men and women and send them to ISOLATION CAMPS while shooting up theyre unprotected children with experimental drugs means you are in fact a sick PEDO, child abuser and flat out puck that I will have no problem putting down when the time comes. Assuming you cowards will even fight. Most likely you will jump of a cliff rather than face what and WHO is coming.

    I will say this to anyone who is on Marks side. If and that is a BIG IF there still is any that believe all of this sick sick garbage that is flowing from that evil entity calling itself mark.

    You will be held accountable just the same as it. Only difference is it knows what will become of it and the suffering it faces. Time is almost out for it and it is trying desperately to extend its stay among our FREEDOM Loving God Fearing Family Center PERFECT Creation.

  215. Cobraboy Says:

    LCMark should read the Oxford study done in Viet Nam about healthcare workers just pre-printed in The Lancet.


    Findings: Between 11th–25th June 2021 (week 7–8 after dose 2), 69 healthcare workers were tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. 62 participated in the clinical study. 49 were (pre)symptomatic with one requiring oxygen supplementation. All recovered uneventfully. 23 complete-genome sequences were obtained. They all belonged to the Delta variant, and were phylogenetically distinct from the contemporary Delta variant sequences obtained from community transmission cases, suggestive of ongoing transmission between the workers. Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced neutralizing antibody levels and viral loads or the development of symptoms.

    These are vaxxxed workers. THEY are creating and spreading “delta”, not the unwashed unvaxxed.

    I’d like to know what garden gnome Fauci is proposing to keep the unvaxxed from being infected by the vaxxxed…

  216. Dlavid Says:

    Goodness……..! Football anyone..?

  217. GMC hater Says:

    Succop is a good kicker. Better than that gay guy we had before him.

  218. Bring back Jameis j/k Says:

    Wow this thread… hahahaha I now understand why Joe usually blocks the discussion.

  219. mark2001 Says:

    No surprise Cobra…that is why Boosters are in the works. About 90% of the serious and dying are unvaccinated. That is the unescapable fact of the matter. If we didn’t achieve hurd immunity on the original virus and it lasted longer we knew it would mutate. That is what Faucci warned of . Come on man…you are smart enough to know the score. Delta is better at infecting and possibly killing…and most of the later are unvaccinated. And as long as we surrender and refuse to use every weapon in our arsenal, the better the chance for an even more communicable and deadly strain.

  220. mark2001 Says:

    C…Id imagine in your prime, you wouldn’t go out to play the most important game of your life, where your career was on the line, with both hands tied behind your back. This situation is a health care battle. The virus is a living thing, that changes its’ tactics. One we can lose. Or one that even if we win, the damage will be so great, that it is a hollow victory.

  221. mark2001 Says:

    I never thought I’d say it…but someone actually sounds far more cracked then Ghost. Congratulations Lets….

  222. Rod Munch Says:

    NativeSonX – Fair enough on your criticism, I have no issues with reasonable disagreements. Smallpox, however, is not a respiratory disease. It is spread via airborne droplets, for sure, but it’s not a respiratory disease. Also, if COVID had a 30% rate of death, I’d be with you on vaccine mandates, however it doesn’t. COVID has a 0.18% rate of death (or a 99.82% survival rate).

    You can vax yourself (and I did) against this. You can also wear 5 masks if they you think they work (all evidence i’ve seen show masks reduce the spread by about 20-30% – nowhere close to what pro-maskers claim). If you’re vaxxed, if you wear 10 masks, the chances of you getting a serious illness is zero. Your health is up to you.

    As for teams, I agree, I can’t stand it. Trump got this done, he’s said people should get the vaccine – yet you leftist don’t want him promoting the vaccine because Biden wants to take credit for something he literally had nothing to do with. If you want to kill the teams, it means get rid of all the political hacks, like Fauci, and give credit to the person who pushed this through like people like Fauci were saying it might take years to get done. So start there, credit Trump, credit him for getting this done so quickly, credit him for encouraging people to get the vaccine, and stop insulting and antagonizing people. Obviously, I’m talking in generalities, not to you personally.

    The vaccine is an amazing product produced by American capitalism, it was done in record time because a president said cut the red tape and get the government out of the way. Thanks to that millions of people will live who would have died. Instead of that message, it’s threats and demonization. One way would work to get more people to take the shot — the other way is pure ‘papers please’ fascism.

  223. sasquatch Says:

    ump got this done, he’s said people should get the vaccine – yet you leftist don’t want him promoting the vaccine because Biden wants to take credit for something he literally had nothing to do with.

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Wow, Jeezus Kreiste that’s phoeking dumb.

    Wow. A warped interpretation of reality. He’s had months to advise people to get the vaccine and kept quiet because he was afraid of delusional fanbase. And then when he did, his crowd of drooling boobs actually booed him at a rally the other night.

    This has nothing to do with leftists. It has to do with delusional disinformed Orangeman cult members.

  224. BradyBucs Says:


    You have to admit that there’s still so much that no one fully understands about Covid, Delta, etc. Fauci and the CDC have changed their minds so many times. Why isn’t the CDC no longer tracking all infections/hospitalization data for vaccinated people that get breakthrough cases? You don’t think it seems a little fishy that, unlike Israel, UK, and others, we’re not tracking that data and making it public?

    BTW, in case you missed it my posts above, I’m vaxxed. I held off for many months as I was terrified of side effects (which could still happen) on an experimental vaccine rushed to market. Despite the years of research on mRNA vaccines, they were NOT yet widely in clinical use until now.

    I also think MASKS don’t work. A new study confirms it. Even an N95 masks only controls about 45% of germs, but this virus is spread in many ways that aren’t airborne. If the US gov’t wants to supply all citizens with expensive N95 masks, I’ll probably wear one. But outside of that, those cloth masks everyone wears doesn’t do much at all.

    I DO think at this point people should go get the vaccine, but only if they choose to do so and feel the risk is worth it to them. If they don’t wish to get it I fully support their right to refuse it. It’s a very sensitive issue and if you can’t honestly empathize with those that don’t want to have it put into their bodies, then you need to talk to more people to actually try and understand why and not just use political talking points.

  225. mark2001 Says:

    Brady..glad you are vaxxed. I know masks aren’t as effective as they claim…small cracks around your face, even with my N95, can let some air in and out without going through the mask. Still, I do all I can.

    Getting the vax IS the best strategy. Like I said, this Covid Delta is relentless, and we need to use every weapon at our disposal. And if it counters, mutates, and we have to make changes, we as a society are smart enough to do so. I believe we can do anything in America. And frankly, once the kids are safe, and we all can be vaxxed or not if we choose, I’d say, let people take their chances. At that point, just pay your hospital bill, make sure you have a good life insurance policy for your family, and if you feel badly, don’t go out.

    From a business perspective, I’d require my employees to be vaxxed…. For my protection, for their fellow employees, for their customers. For their families, friends, and associates. But each business will make that decision. And I hope the unvaxxed respect the fact that the company has a right to make those decisions…and we should respect their rights.