Jordan Whitehead And The Sickness

July 25th, 2021

Cryptic message.

The Sickness and vaccinations seem to be popular yet touchy subjects for NFL players these days.

Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians all but said yesterday he’s had enough of begging players to take the needle and announced he will have the NFL slap any of his non-vaccinated players caught not wearing a mask or breaking COVID protocols some $14,000.

We already know Playoff Lenny said he “can’t” take the needle. And what about hard-hitting safety Jordan Whitehead? He was placed on the COVID list Friday and did not appear to have attended the Bucs’ Super Bowl ring ceremony Thursday night based on his Instagram account.

Last night, Whitehead spoke up on Twitter — since deleted — about vaccines. Well, sort of. You be the judge (see below).

Whitehead said he knows of people who have been vaccinated and still had the COVID. Joe’s not a medical professional but that seems accurate based on research. That doesn’t mean the positive test directly leads to a terrible illness, just means you are largely protected.

What Joe would like to know is if Whitehead was referring to himself or, based on his experience with someone having COVID despite vaccination, Whitehead concluded the vaccine won’t help him?

Whether he tested positive or came in contact with someone who was positive, Whitehead will not be at One Buc Palace this morning practicing as training camp kicks off.

124 Responses to “Jordan Whitehead And The Sickness”

  1. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Respect the players’ choices on whether to take the jab
    Respect the NFL Covid protocols or get fined.
    Stop demonizing choices you don’t agree with.
    This sht ain’t going away anytime soon and NOBODY has all the answers

  2. Seattle Buc is back in TB Says:

    I know 2 ppl who were vaccinated and currently positive.

  3. Defense Rules Says:

    Well-said Alanbucsfan. IMO it’s about respecting individuals’ right-to-choose while also recognizing that choices have consequences & ramifications. COVID is a rapidly-evolving beast, as evidenced by this newer Delta variant, and we as a nation & as individuals can’t be so rigid that we can’t adapt to its’ changing nature.

    I was fortunate enough to be one of the first ones in Hillsborough County to get vaccinated (Pfizer), and CHOSE to because of age (over 65) and potential risk factors. At the time (Jan), those over 65 in Florida who contracted COVID-19 with a severe-enough case to be hospitalized represented over 80% of the COVID deaths in our state. The Pfizer vaccine had just been approved so there was no ‘track record of effectiveness’ yet established, however, its ‘projected’ efficacy was about 95%. After a lot of research, I felt that those odds were better than what I had without the vaccine. Thus far its ‘track record’ seems to bear that out. Not perfect, but no vaccine is IMO.

    Some vaccines have however proven to be so effective that they’re considered to be ‘mandatory’ for school-age kids to attend schools or child-care centers by various states. However, the CDC doesn’t set those requirements. Each state decides which vaccines are required for your child’s enrollment & attendance at a childcare facility or school in that state.

    States also set the rules for what businesses can & can’t require, and the NFL is free to establish their own requirements. Individuals can still decide whether or not to take the vaccine, but again, there are consequences & ramifications associated with those choices. As long as others’ choices don’t adversely impact myself or those who I love then I’ll continue to support their right-to-choose. IF their choices DO in fact adversely impact me or those who I love THEN ‘Houston, we have a problem’.

  4. Marine Buc Says:

    The NFL needs to find a more accurate test…

    “After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.”

  5. Slugglife Says:


    How does one determine whether another persons choice to remain unvaccinated adversely affect you or loved ones? This has become a new tool to segregate society. Now those who choose to take what does amount to an experimental drug entitle themselves to a moral high ground over those who are skeptical of its safety and detrimental effects.

    Perhaps some of us who choose to avoid being pharma guinea pigs have determined that the contradicting statements from the current drug pushers in 2020 creates an issue. This vaccine has been a political football, shanked wide left over and over.

    Now it’s time to shame everybody who doesn’t follow the herd. Vegans want you to stop eating meat because they don’t eat meat. So they shame you. Prius drivers are saving the planet, while you choose to drive a V-8 or diesel truck. So they shame you from their coal fired clown car. Now the vaccinated, who would have refused this injection had November’s results been different, shame you from their moral mountain as selfish, stupid, and radical.

    I respect your decision as you have researched and weighed your risk. That’s freedom. Looks like the NFL is more concerned about its authority being bucked by players determining what is best for their own self interest. Amazingly enough, it seems only certain businesses have the right to determine how to run their own company, who they can refuse service to, and how they treat employees. Many people who claimed they were fighting authoritarianism now find themselves planting their flag on the moral hill of authority.

    That needle has become a weapon. Of compliance.

  6. James Says:

    You have a right to not take the needle and spread your Covid to as many people as you want. The government is getting ridiculous, first you can’t drink and drive now this. If I want to get drunk and drive around, it is my choice. If I want to get Covid and spread it around that is my choice. What about the people I might kill? Hey screw them, my rights come first.

  7. Slugglife Says:

    Choices do have consequences and ramifications, of which it will take years to discover what those C&R are.

    Years from now when your watching a Matlock marathon, commercials for the largest class action suit in world history will be played nonstop as Matlock solves mystery after mystery.

    And just think of all the money we missed out on by not volunteering for human trials of experimental drugs. I’m thinking about going to Law School to get in early on what could be the next class action lotto ticket.

  8. Slugglife Says:

    Way to go James. You just gave my moral authority post credibility. Right on cue.

    If only you’d have spoken up during the AIDS epedemic. Think of how many live could have been saved. Or would imposing restrictions on how people choose to have sex have been too authoritarian for you?

  9. Marine Buc Says:

    I’m glad to see people finally waking up.

    Getting this Covid vaccine does NOT prevent you from catching Covid.

  10. Marine Buc Says:

    The NFL needs to find a more accurate test…

    CDC finally pulling PCR tests as they can’t differentiate between Covid and the Flu…

  11. Slugglife Says:


    Not surprised. There’s no political gain in calling every sickness a COVID case anymore. That ended Jan. 20.

    And we would all know the real time death count, but amazingly enough CNN pulled their on screen death toll count graphic, interestingly enough, also on Jan 20. Probably just a coincidence. Couple that with the fact the PCR level for positive tests was always too low.

    Guess the guy who got killed on I-4 after being run over by 4 cars after crashing his motorcycle, and I’m just spitballing here, may not have died from Covid-19.

  12. Defense Rules Says:

    Slugglife … “Looks like the NFL is more concerned about its authority being bucked by players determining what is best for their own self interest.”

    There-in lies the biggest part of the disconnect on this issue IMO. No one has said a word about vegans. No one has said a word about Priuses (kudos on the ‘clown car’ descriptor though). But statements like yours (above) project what YOU believe is the NFL’s intent in creating THEIR policy. And you have no way of knowing whether that’s true or not. That’s pretty much what MISINFORMATION is.

    The NFL is a BUSINESS (a BIG business actually) and in our free enterprise system, they have certain rights & responsibilities. Far as I’m concerned, the NFL hierarchy is trying their best to fulfill their responsibilities via their vaccination policy. Appears to be within their right within our state, so what’s your issue with them exercising THEIR rights?

  13. Slugglife Says:

    Hey Joe- why did you pull my last post?

    No foul language.
    No insults.

    Exactly what was in that post that called for moderation? CNN? Jan.20?
    I just read a comment thread full of insults, personal attacks, and foul language.

    Yet the posts are still up. WTF are the parameters here for flagged and deleted posts. May be time for you to post a PSA for commenters informing us of what is allowed, because you damn sure don’t apply any standard consistently.

  14. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Hell why don’t we just all stop taking vaccines and bring back POLIO , SMALLPOX, RUBELLA, WHOOPING COUGH , and all the other deadly and disfiguring diseases that we have virtually eliminated with vaccines.
    Planning on traveling to a far away continent? Not unless you get your shots before you leave.
    The leader of the free world lied about the seriousness of the sickness and refused to set a good example for everyone by wearing a mask. So now you have a socio political divide on vaccinations that has killed hundreds of thousands unnecessarily.
    You need look no further than the many people that were advocating strongly about not masking and not vaccinating , but lo and behold , they catch the sickness and sit on deaths door and suddenly they say ” I was so wrong and foolish , don’t listen to that crap I said for months-get the shot.
    Life Insurance and Health Insurance companies alike are currently looking at exclusion riders being attached to policies directly eliminating the unvaccinated from coverage. It is simple math folks you will not die from covid if you are vaccinated(1 out of a million nitpickers).

  15. teacherman777 Says:

    Israeli hospitals are filled with people who had the vaccine and now have Covid.

    Israel is the perfect country to study right now.

    They say the vaccine efficacy of Pfizer has dropped to 64%.

    The vaccine doesn’t work.

    Getting anti-bodies does. Sweden went the right way.

    They say 2/3 of India now has anti-bodies.

    We need to exercise more, strengthen our lungs, eat well, take lots of vitamine C, and rock and roll.

    We are all gonna die anyway. We might as well die free. Instead of hiding at home like some puntangs.

    USA! USA!

  16. Slugglife Says:


    Ever seen a tired, worn out, unoriginal justification for coercive and compliant behavior? See post above.

    Perhaps one day people can generate an original thought of their own and not continue to spew repetitive lines they heard from “trusted sources” who in the end, cannot and should not be trusted. Thinking that “trusted sources” have your best interests in mind is a fools folly.

    By the way, if they tell you to go to the Superdome, don’t go to the Superdome. Just sayin.

  17. Slugglife Says:

    That was for you Bucs fan man.

  18. Slugglife Says:

    Drinks up to you Teacherman. 🍺

    Agree 100%.

  19. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    I presume you are referring to the article by By Dr. Tomislav Meštrović . What you conveniently leave out are the FACTS. Those that died were elderly with a PLETHORA of co-morbidities. Easy to make a case when you cherry pick facts and quotes. Israeli hospital care is no match for the care we receive in this country and that also contributes to more morbidity.
    You still cannot dispute the FACT that in this country , of the current deaths from COVID 99.8% are unvaccinated.
    Get another 5 drinks fast Slugg , you will be half way to your morning quota.

  20. Defense Rules Says:

    @teacherman 777 … “Israeli hospitals are filled with people who had the vaccine and now have Covid.”

    THAT’S exactly the type of misinformation I was talking about Teacherman (and Slugglife). Joe doesn’t like it when anyone includes URLs, but if he lets this through, read this article in the Times of Israel that totally disputes what you just wrote:

  21. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Just what part of 90 or 95% don’t people understand….

    Let me spell it out…..if 1 million get the vaccine…then it is possible for 100K to test positive….

    From the beginning, we have been told that it is only 90% effective.

  22. Slugglife Says:

    I think I’ve cracked the code as to why there are so many unvaccinated people- they require you to show ID to get the shot.

    We’ve been told people are too stupid to find a DMV. So when will requiring ID to get the shot be determined as discriminatory and disenfranchising? Surely you can’t expect people to prove who they are to get a shot. Why would that even be important? If it’s so necessary to get a shot, shouldn’t all people, even those without ID be able to do so? Until I’m able to find a DMV to get an ID, I just won’t be able to get that shot.

    This Jim Crow era law must be rescinded to ensure that all people hav me equal and fair access to the vaccine. Until then, you’ll just have to deal with it.

  23. Jeff Says:

    Micro Brain. Covid could ruin his career. Listen to your Dr.’s people.

  24. Jeff Says:

    Slugglife – you’re not that bright. When your in the hospital you can tell us about your perfect choice. And your dead wrong about the Dems not taking the vaccine if Tru m p had cheated his way to victory. That’s a moron’s move. That’s a Tru m per move.

  25. Slugglife Says:

    Nothing wrong with day drinking, I hope that wasn’t meant as an insult.

    Perhaps instead of tryin mg to shame your fellow Americans into doing what you want them to do, you could address your elected officials in the federal government to stop letting COVID positive migrants enter the country illegally, then supplying them with transportation to be delivered in various parts of your country.

    But I get it- doing that would take more effort than posting here to spread your fear among those who choose not to be a guinea pig. Once you realize that nothing you post here is changing any minds, you can do something way more productive- like rearrange your sock drawer.

    Without sheep, there wouldn’t be wolves.

  26. Slugglife Says:

    Wow Jeff, such a compelling argument. Do you also write legal briefs?

  27. mark2001 Says:

    Strange age that we live in.. We hear Medical professional advice…scientific data….percentages and statistics. If we don’t understand them, we discount them and instead believe self interest talking heads to feed us information and cast the professionals aside. Live and let die. Maybe this is part of the old adage, survival of the fittest….culling of the population…the gene pool. Nature has its way. Desantis says 95% of the people with the disease are unvaccinated ,..a higher percentage of those in the hospital are unvaccinated. That is pretty simple ..pretty clear. Desantis is not part of some group of big pharma apologists. If you don’t get that.. good luck. Make sure your insurance policy is up to date. And get ready to meet your maker.

  28. Jason Says:

    The Sickness and vaccinations seem to be popular yet touchy subjects for NFL players and JBF commenters these days.

    My thoughts are this. I wanted to wait for version 2.0 of the vaccine. Just like I didn’t rush to get lasik when it first came out. However now that enough other people (aka guinea pigs) have taken the vaccine and we have the data on side effects and the effectiveness, it would seem to me that the odds say take the shot. I’m pretty sure most professional gamblers have gotten vaccinated, they know to play the odds.

  29. Hodad Says:

    Just get the shot.

  30. Slugglife Says:

    Nah. Get as many shots as you want. I don’t really care what you do. You’re a free man. So am I.

  31. Marine Buc Says:

    @ Jason

    I agree. However – Can you tell me what the long term effects of taking these experimental vaccines are?

    No – you can’t.

  32. Aceofaerospace Says:

    There’s a reason why it usually takes years to create a vaccination. First, create one that works. Second, create one that does not have unintended consequences. Countdown to Joe deleting the comments on this article as he did on the Playoff Lenny article: 10, 9, 8…

  33. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Here you go Slugg

    By Jessica Barreto, Action News Jax

    JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — If you’re visiting a state or federally-supported COVID-19 vaccine site in Florida, you will no longer need to show proof of residency to get your shot.

    Instead of showing your license or another document to prove you live in Florida, you will now be asked verbally whether you’re a resident, or whether you’re living here for work.

    You will still need to complete a screening and consent form, and you will still need to show proof of age to comply with FDA emergency-use authorization.

    You can show your birth certificate to prove your age. You stated you would get your vaccine if you did not have to go to the DMV and you dont. So go get your shot.

  34. Wild Bill Says:

    I think everyone has the right to decide their own fate as to get or not get the jab. That would be fine if we each lived in a vacuum and weren’t a risk to others. So if you do get sick there is a broad range of possibilities. Depending on your age and health you may have very mild symptoms and be over it quickly. Or you could be one of the unlucky ones and have a terrible illness leading to a long hospital stay including intubation and death or survive with life long disabilities. And last but far from least, you might pass the disease to your family or loved ones. If you have any. So go ahead tough guy. Be a stubborn individual . Don’t feel like you are part of and responsible for anybody else in your extended group of friends and family.

  35. Jason Says:

    As for the deeper issue of personal liberty vs. public safety might I recommend V for Vendetta for your viewing pleasure. I think the point some people are trying to make is that whatever laws and rules are made concerning the vaccine, set a precedent that can be used to reduce freedom of choice in other areas of life.
    As for disinformation, just remember the wizard’s first and second rule:
    Rule #1: People are stupid. They will believe anything, either because they want it to be true, or they are afraid it might be true.
    Rule #2: Sometimes the most harm can come from trying to do the most good.

  36. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    I have a Guy Fawkes mask and wear it.

  37. Beeej Says:

    Well, if Whitehead DOES have the Covid, he doesn’t need to worry about the shot now

  38. Jason Says:

    @Marine Buc

    True. So for me it becomes a quality of life vs. quantity of life question. While I have no idea what the long-term effects of the vaccine might be, I can’t imagine they will be much worse than the long-term effects of my drinking, smoking, and eating fast food. So for me the short-term benefits of the vaccine outweigh the possible long-term side effects.

  39. SB~LV Says:

    No big deal, the Covid in August 2021 is not the great fear and unknown of Covid spring of 2020.
    99% survival rate
    99% of deaths are old with other health issues
    Whitehead will now have natural immunities in his system.

  40. mark2001 Says:

    For anyone currently an adult….It’s Natures way of telling you, somethings wrong(for those of you that remember music in the 1960’s). And if you can’t figure out it’s best to avoid putting yourself in harms way… then somethings wrong.

  41. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    From CDC

    Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19. That’s because experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19. Even if you have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that you could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 again. Studies have shown that vaccination provides a strong boost in protection in people who have recovered from COVID-19. Learn more about why getting vaccinated is a safer way to build protection than getting infected.

    Imagine knowing that you were going to have sex with an STD infected person and you were given a choice of wearing one condom or two , I would choose two.

  42. Vdocter Says:

    No one knows what the long term effects are from taking any of these vaccines. The sad reality is we will find out the hard way. Im praying that there will be few. There is a risk in both choices. If you are at risk and fear coved take the vaccine. If it works your safe. If you choose not to don’t. Don’t let people shame you one way or another. The vaccine is there for people who think they work.

  43. BucsFanSince1976 Says:


  44. Slugglife Says:

    Go read the Bible. Or enjoy your waterfront property on the lake of fire.

    Aren’t ultimatums cool?

  45. Bob Says:

    Keep going anti vax morans. Thin the herd, natural selection at its best. Anti science, anti vax = moran. Don’t take the jab, consequences get cut. If you think any players who don’t won’t be cut, well you’re likely an anti vaxing idiot. These are opinions from me geniuses, worth what you paid for them

  46. Marine Buc Says:

    @ bob

    You misspelled the word “moron”.

    Kind of ironic don’t you think?

  47. Merlin Says:

    As soon as you see somebody post, “I know somebody who got the shot and still tested positive for covid” you know there’s no point in debating them because they have no idea how vaccine mediated protection works, and don’t want to learn.

  48. Defense Rules Says:

    Marine Buc … I think Joe includes articles like this as part of a drinking game he created after having too many craft beers. Kinda reminds me of some we used to play at the O’Club bars, but usually not until all those participating were well acquainted with Jim Beam.

  49. Marine Buc Says:

    @ defense

    Hey buddy whats up…

    I agree. LOL

  50. Cobraboy Says:

    I’m sure it’s just a mere coincidence, but the Delta (fka Indian Variant) first appeared around the India/China border at the height of the India/Nepal/China/Tibert conflict.

    As long as China keeps pumping out “variants” they have been working on for years, no vaccine will “stop” covid.

    Thanks, Lord Fauci, for funding Chinese military bio-weapon research. Big Pharma will reward you.

  51. sasquatch Says:

    @cobra bringing the ignorant disinformation again.

  52. 1sparkybuc Says:

    One widow received a $4,000,000.00+ hospital bill after the death of her husband. I may get COVID, but odds are it won’t kill me. I risked the side effects because I love and respect the people around me. It’s not just me I want to protect. I would hope that the people in the Buccaneer organization feel the same way.

  53. mark2001 Says:

    1 sparky…good point you hardly hear mentioned. The cost of hospitalization for covid will likely bankrupt many of the afflicted. Any time in the hospital, particularly the ICU racks up an astronomical cost. But then, when they are facing a mountain of debt, they can go back to the insurance cost to innocent victims of the disease and blood sucking healthcare system tropes.

  54. Cobraboy Says:

    “Disinformation” = “Anything not approved by The Overlords.”

  55. sasquatch Says:

    The vaccines work.

    99.5% of those dying from Covid right now are unvaxxed.

    No one ever said that getting the vaccine gave you 100% protection from getting Covid. No one. Ever.

    Fact is, it’s still reducing sickness and death extremely effectively among those who get it. Those who don’t get it, wave their flag, chant “USA!”, and talk about freedom, are the petri dishes for growing mutant strains. They are putting us all at risk. Anything but patriotic… No concern for the country or fellow citizens, you people are making it all about you and your bogus freedumb… Guess what, freedom also has responsibilities. It’s not all about you. And your mind-numbing anti-vax fake-patriot propagandists like Tucker should be in prison for the damage they’ve done.

  56. sasquatch Says:

    Cobraboy Says:
    July 25th, 2021 at 12:11 pm

    “Disinformation” = “Anything not approved by The Overlords.”

    Disinformation = that which does not accord with empirical truth.

    Disinformation = that which is regurgitated from the ignorant pieholes of morons with fearmongering terms like “Overlords”

  57. Cobraboy Says:

    @Merlin: Maybe, just maybe, many do their own research and statistical analysis, including respected scientists, physicians, and analysts, to come to different conclusions from those pimped by the on-the-bag MSM.

    Please explain why the doctor who invented mRNA technology is begging people to NOT take this EGT until it has been fully researched for long-term effects…

    And note that the goalposts have shifted from “it protects you from covid” to “you won’t get as sick.”

    And since “breakthrough” cases have become so prominent, how “infectious” are those people?

    This flu has become politically weaponized. Since Climate Change hysteria didn’t work for the Globalist’s consolidation of one-world power, maybe the WuFlu will.

    Go read Covid-19: The Great Reset by Klaus Schwab, Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum, Ground Zero for the Globalist cabal. After you read it, then come back to me and show me where I am wrong.

  58. Lets Roll Says:

    All you PRO Vaxxers are LOONY TOON Conspiracy NUT JOBS. You make NO SINCE quoting from your Conspiracy Loon Propaganda MSM Sources.

    There are MILLIONS of people around the world that are speaking up about their personal experiences after taking this mystery vax.

    Can one of you PRO VAX Conspiracy NUT JOBS tell me what is ACTUALLY in the Vax??? I didn’t think so.

    Now go find the independent research from all the doctors that are not on the tit of the Big Pharma Gravy Train. You might be surprised how many DOCTORS are leading the charge against you COVID Conspiracy NUT JOBS.

    Go back to your basements

  59. Cobraboy Says:

    @sasquatch: you prove, once again, some make better serfs than Free Men.

  60. Lets Roll Says:

    LOL, “Natural Selection”. What’s Natural about a vaccine?

    You Pro Vax Conspiracy Theorist are in for a RUDE AWAKENING!!!

  61. sasquatch Says:

    Cobraboy Says:
    July 25th, 2021 at 12:22 pm

    @sasquatch: you prove, once again, some make better serfs than Free Men.

    ^Another thing a disinformation propagandist would say.

  62. Lets Roll Says:

    @Cobraboy, you might of just introduced these PRO Vax Conspiracy Nut Jobs to their Supreme Leader. Not sure telling them about Klaus Schwab was a good thing. These same people are Quoting stuff that Bill Gates has said through his proxy fake Dr. FOULchi

  63. sasquatch Says:

    @Lets Roll-

    99.5% of those dying from Covid right now are unvaxxed.

    Is knowing what’s in every shot necessary? Have you ever had a flu shot? Do you know what’s in them? Do you eat processed food? This is just more fearmongering from the paranoid fake patriot bubble.

  64. Lets Roll Says:

    @sasquatch, takes one to know one is what momma use to say.

    Word to the wise, as we have learned throughout history. You don’t win arguments by accusing someone of the very thing you yourself are doing.

    Oh wait, not sure that is right. Let me see if I can think of some examples. I will get back to you.

    (Although in all you Pro Vax Conspiracy Theorists Nut Jobs case, your just repeating the PROVEN Fake New party line).

  65. sasquatch Says:

    @cobra’s fake news

    What is the Great Reset – and how did it get hijacked by conspiracy theories?

    ht tp s:// www. bbc. com/ news / b logs-trending-57532368

  66. sasquatch Says:

    @Lets Roll –

    Please, get back to me… Next time with something coherent and rational.

  67. Lets Roll Says:

    First off I am not the one fearing ANYTHING. I can prove by simply not taking a Vax that has MORE DEATHs (45,000 GLOABALLY) related to it in 6months than ANY OTHER VAX ever.

    If I saw people ding and getting hurt from eating something within 6months. I would it avoid it too. Even though some would eat it and say its good for you.

    NO Never had a Flu Shot because I knew exactly what was in them. Also, I know exactly what are in these NEW FLU SHOTS. Not interested in having NANO Tech injected into me. And I am not to happy they used our food supply to test it as GMOs, which I do my best to avoid, are just as bad LONG TERM

  68. Lets Roll Says:


    See I knew you where a rule braker. Look at you getting around the JBF rules of not posting links.

    I guess as long as your the one braking the rules its ok right? Actually IDC. Your in the minority now. The old guard of Conspiracy Theorist have been completely vindicated by FACT. “We got it ALL”, The Best is Yet to Come.

    BTW, nothing wrong with being a Conspiracy Theorist; both are a critical part of critical thinking skills. Once you learn to think for yourself, You wont be a Pro Vax Conspiracy Theorist Mocking Bird Nut Job anymore. You might actually become a decent commenter that doesn’t force your opinion and decisions on others.

    To each their own, unless you try to come in my home. For which I will bust your dome.

  69. sasquatch Says:

    If you’re going to throw out the death count due to vaccine, you might wanna provide a source….

    Oh wait, it’s been debunked (what a surprise).

    ht tps: // www. politifact. com/factchecks/2021/jul/22/instagram-posts/no-evidence-45000-deaths-covid-19-vaccines/

    • The claim was part of a lawsuit on behalf of America’s Frontline Doctors, whose members have a history of making unproven and conspiratorial medical claims.

    Took me 5 seconds to find that… I suspect any other claims you might make could be debunked equally quickly. Conspiracy nonsense is what that’s called.

  70. Smashsquatch Says:

    You will never get full compliance for a vaccine, FDA approved or not. Suggesting you could or should is equivalent to living in a utopian fantasyland. I could care less if you choose to wear your seatbelt or not, but if you drive drunk that’s a different story. Choosing not to vaccinate is former not the latter. As for anyone who contracts covid after taking the vaccine, chances are the it protected you from a bad outcome, same as the seatbelt. Does the seatbelt help you avoid the crash?


    BFS1976 says, “ It is simple math folks you will not die from covid if you are vaccinated(1 out of a million nitpickers).”

    [C’mon guys, no links. Joe gets penalized by Google for links in comments. Joe’s getting tired of fishing links out of people’s comments. Pretty soon Joe’s going to start deleting the comments. — Joe]

    And that’s since the delta variant arrived a month or two ago. I applaud your personal decision to get the vaccine, but don’t think for one second it’s going to protect you, or anyone else for that matter, against The Sickness like polio, measles, and smallpox vaccines protect against those diseases.

  72. sasquatch Says:

    If we had enough people vaxxed to reach herd immunity, the virus would go away, it would not have enough hosts to continue multiplying and/or mutating. This is why the pro-vax people want everyone else to take it. We can put this down if people would just listen to real information instead of conspiracy garbage, and just get the foucking vaccine.

  73. mark2001 Says:

    Smash… How do you figure not getting the vaccine doesn’t effect others? Do you self isolate? A drunk person doesn’t effect others if he is in his home isolated…he goes out and can effect others. Just as a person unnecessarily getting Covid because they aren’t vaccinated. After all, children under 12 still aren’t approved for vaccination. And they can get it from you and take it elsewhere.

  74. gp Says:

    History seems to always repeat itself

  75. Cobraboy Says:

    Seems Loyal Comrade sasquatch doesn’t even know who Klaus Schwab is, not to mention read his book. I do understand. The book has big words and few pictures.

    Riddle me this:
    If the tests work, why the 95+% false positives?
    If the masks work, why the 6 feet?
    If 6 feet work, why the masks?
    If all 3 work, why the lock downs?
    If all 4 work, why the vaccines?
    If the vaccine is safe, why no liability for Big Pharma?

    And why are The Overlords ignoring the effectiveness of Ivermectin & HCQ cocktails. They approve Experimental Gene Therapy as an “emergency”, but refuse to allow a cheap, effective, commonly used therapy to be used for both prophylaxis and treatment? Why not?

    Keep in mind one place where covid is not a “pandemic” is tropical sub-Saharan Africa where many, if not most, take Ivermectin weekly to ward off malaria and other tropical parasites. Or so reports a IM doctor friend on Christian medical mission in Cameroon & Sierra Leone.

    IMO, covid is a disease that affects the mentally ill fascist progressives.

    Some enjoy being a faceless drone in the Overlord’s human herd, with submission as a Badge of Compliance.

    America will not survive this division, and The Overlords can easily identify the softly compliant from the future troublemakers (I expect flash-bangs and soiltary confinement any day now as a Non-Compliant Dissident, to the applause of the serfs…). Nuremberg Code? Pffft. Overlords don’t need no Nuremberg Code…

    Maybe Kurt Schlichter is prescient after all: People’s Republic vs. The USA after the Treatyof St. Louis..

  76. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Brainwashed amongst us is strong
    Using Politifact as a source? Who funds Politifact?
    It’s like the same people that fund the research to develop the virus also fund the creation of the cure… liberal fact checks are debunked because of the people that fund those organizations. AKA buying bullets from the enemy. Have a good day.

  77. gp Says:

    Keep in mind one place where covid is not a “pandemic” is tropical sub-Saharan Africa

    I was going to point to Nigeria for much the same reasons

  78. Lets Roll Says:

    Serious questions.

    What happened to the FLU Shots? Why is the COVID Shot taking its place?

    If a Flu Vax is being replaced by a COVID Vax. Has the COVID Virus also replaced the Flu Virus?

    Also, how can we get natural immunity by taking an Unnatural vaccine. Thus is the idea of “heard immunity” via a vax not just absolute stupidity showing itself absolutely?

    Wonder how mankind survived prior to wide spread alchemy, oops I mean medicine running the show?

    Is this why the alchemist aka witches got burned at the stake back in the day? They are mostly a band of traitors to mankind from the history books right?

  79. sasquatch Says:


    This is why @cobra can’t be taken seriously. 🤣🤣🤣

  80. Jeagan1999 Says:

    What’s happened in society? If this was 1917 and the Spanish Flu was killing thousands, and an effective vaccine was discovered and mass-produced, would 1/3 of the population refuse to take it? I doubt it.

    My only guess is that distrust of government and partisan politics, driven by a 24/7/365 “us vs. them” news cycle, have weaponized this into a deadly pissing contest that has already claimed hundreds of thousands of lives and left many more people with health side effects that will be felt for the remainder of their lives.


  81. Lets Roll Says:

    Why did you take down my last post JOE???

    All I did was ask real questions that we all need to ask.

    Here is another one. What is happening in Cape Cod, Mass.

  82. Slugglife Says:

    Sasquatch- you’re not taken seriously either my man. You posted a link for politifact bro! No self respecting man would use politifact as a source. And you keep using “propaganda.” Baa! 🐑

    And Cobra is correct- this manufactured, man made crisis is the catalyst for the Great Reset. Notice how you can immediately find an article that defends the Great Reset. Why is that? Perhaps the author is part of the game. You can’t be this dumb. Well maybe you can- we just elected a Corpse in Chief that can’t put together a coherent sentence who immediately caused higher fuel and food prices. Now why did he do that? You guessed it sheeple- the Great Reset. Where you’ll own nothing and you’ll like it!

    Compliant serfs are funny to watch. Like the old time jesters, dancing for their masters and entertaining the elites.

  83. Lets Roll Says:

    LOL, I haven’t seen any dead bodies on the street. So the Spanish Flu comparison is bogus. Not even close to a legit independent thought.

    I am ok living with whatever side effects my body develops naturally. I am not ok living with the side effects that can, have and will develop from an experimental cocktail being labeled as safe. One that was developed by companies and people that are only in it for the money with stated goals of world depopulation. Bill Gates is not a doctor or pharmacist.

    TURN OFF THE MSfakeN CONSPIRACY THERORSIT PROPAGANDA NETWORKS. For the Love of God, find other ways to get informed.

  84. Cobraboy Says:

    @gp: Nigeria, yep. Aren’t they sorta kinda sub-Saharan? Wherever Ivermectin & HCQ use is common, covid is not so much.

    @Lets Roll: yep. Cape Cod, one of the most EGT’d places on the planet, a location just infested with progs. And their EGT “breakthrough” rate? Pretty massive, off the charts…

    Just sayin’…

    @sasquatch: The Overlords are pleased with your defense. As a reward for your public expression of fealty, report to The People’s Collective Cooperative and Worker’s Union Hall to queue for a voucher for an extra ration of Free Cheese. You earned it in this thread…

  85. Slugglife Says:


    Are you assuming that those lost lives were all due to Covid-19? (They weren’t.)

    A good portion of those were counted as COVID-19 deaths for political and monetary gain. And to influence an election. Graves aren’t sacred, their the dance floors of the elite.

    Some people have natural immunity. Some people are worse off after they get the vaccine. Why is that? Well every human has a different physiological makeup. We are not all the same. I don’t have a peanut allergy. I used to be allergic to penicillin. I have no seasonal allergies and I don’t take any type of pharmaceuticals, not even aspirin for a late Bucs game hangover. Other people can’t eat peanuts, take all kinds of medications, and blow snot and spit everywhere when it’s oak pollen season.

    Different outcomes for every human body. You can die with the shot. You can die without it. But make no mistake- you’re gonna die.

  86. Slugglife Says:

    Yeah, Sasquatch definitely put in work today as did these other sheeple. The high and mighty who got their shot, then drive home from a bar while using their cellphone to book an hour with Ybors finest, then go home to the wifey and kids.

    Those are the guys who want you to be more like them. Real role models those guys are.

  87. sasquatch Says:

    The so-called free thinkers out here are hilarious. Dystopian narratives, conspiracy theories, and claiming to be free men to the rest of the serfs. Fantasyland. All concocted with a bottle of lube and c0ck in hand. Fuggin’ jagoffs… Not a reasonable or accurate representation from any of you. Sluff, cobra… Is this part of the Q network?

  88. sasquatch Says:

    If you don’t like that politifact debunked the outlandish claim, please provide credible evidence that 45,000 have died of the Covid vaccine.

    • The claim was part of a lawsuit on behalf of America’s Frontline Doctors, whose members have a history of making unproven and conspiratorial medical claims.

    I’ve heard of zero deaths from the vaccine… Whatever the numbers are, based on the # of shots given, I’d guess it’s probably something on the scale of 1/1000 of 1% … And 600K+ have died from the virus. Foueking figure it out.

  89. Lets Roll Says:

    LMAO, @sasquatch

    You must be one of these new AI’s that derive all of their info from a source data base that has been linked to your brain to make you unaware of your stupidity. Probably has something to do with the NANO Tech that was in the mRNA vax that you allegedly got. I say allegedly cause cowards like you typically force unsuspecting people into doing things you yourself are to scared to do yourself. OR you yourself are aware of these issues and have made your bed.

    Bottom line is simple. Your railing against yourself when you rail against Conspiracy Theorists. You will loose in the end.

    Cause here IN AMERICA, we the people are the Power that be.

  90. Lets Roll Says:

    Here is a simple question for you SASy

    What did Bill Gates mean when he said during a TED talk, “if we do a really great job with vaccines, we can reduce the worlds population by 10-15%”.

    With him having said that. WHY WOULD ANY SELF THINKING HUMAN take a vax paid for and produced by Bill Freaking Gates?

    Answer those two questions and tell us who you really are you fake news loony toon conspiracy theorist

  91. sasquatch Says:

    You’re quite delusional… I’m not dispensing any conspiracy theory. You have yet to utter a single fact… and refuse to offer evidence of all these alleged vaccine deaths. It’s typical.

    You probably actually believe there’s some sort of nefarious big-brothery purpose behind the vaccines… Tracking devices? Nano-tech that allows mind control? Yeah, okay boob.

  92. sasquatch Says:

    and you probably believe orangeman won the election too… fouecking lunatic.

  93. Lets Roll Says:

    is that your answer to my question about Bill Gate. LOL. Thanks for showing us who you really are. You fake AI bot.

    Why would I want to start another debate with you to justify your utter nonsense. Besides, you can’t win a debate related to election integrity audits that are happening and proving just how BIG the Orangeman won by.

    Joe B is the most popular president ever… You cant say that without realizing how stupid you are. That is of course unless you are a fake news loony toons conspiracy theorist

  94. Lets Roll Says:

    In court, as a defendant. All I have to do is prove reasonable doubt to win my case.

    For all you Fake News Pro Vax Loony Toon Conspiracy Theorist.

    There is a mountain of evidence that proves reasonable doubt as to why WE THE PEOPLE that are not on board with the vax are free to think so. You are the ones attacking us. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    If you want proof of our claims, you first have to provide proof of your claims. If your proofs are verifiable lies from proven traitors and propaganda sources. Than I don’t have to provide ANY sources. Just have to point to the fact your sources are not credible in the court of law.

  95. sasquatch Says:

    HAHAHAHAHAHA… Fraudits.

    You are a fouecking dimwit if you believe that crap. Jeezus, what a knob.

    Goodbye… You and your ilk are making this country the laughingstock of the world. Carry on, run along, put on that tin foil hat…

    Newsflash — the fraudits are being conducted by partisans with allegiance to Orangeman. Other fact: All claims of fraud were debunked and laughed out of every court in the land. You are living in a delusional alternate reality. Programmed by Orangeman. A cult member by every definition of the term.

  96. Lets Roll Says:

    I knew we would get to the real you.

    Good Day Sir.

  97. Jeagan1999 Says:

    Slugglife…it was the same during the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic. Of the 17-50 million estimated deaths, millions of those were not actually due to the influenza itself…but by bacterial infections caused by unsanitary conditions, lack of medical resources, and related complications. There were no modern hospitals or ICU’s back then…not to mention availability of oxygen, proper ventilation, antibiotics, steroids to help breathing, fever reducers, etc….all things we have now to help combat COVID-19…and yet millions worldwide still have died from it. The fact that we have all these modern treatments and medical resources now has probably already saved millions more from dying.

  98. Merlin Says:

    Joe, if you have any sense of decency you will delete this entire thread. The amount of proven disinformation being spewed by the idiots here is unethical.

  99. Lets Roll Says:

    Why delete a debate. Its good for everyone. Try canceling yourself before canceling others.

  100. sasquatch Says:

    Lets Roll Says:
    July 25th, 2021 at 5:51 pm

    In court, as a defendant. All I have to do is prove reasonable doubt to win my case.

    If you say 45,000 have died from Covid vaccines, you need to provide credible evidence. You have not, because it does not exist. Jeezus, what a tool.

  101. Lets Roll Says:


    But just for fun and to let you know how destroyed your Conspiracy Theory is.

    You are my source now. HOW you ask?

    Using provable false information to make an argument to accuse others does not require me or anyone for that matter to disprove your accusations. WHY because your point is being made using provable bad information from bad sources.

    I don’t have to prove it because its beyond reproach.

    And if you think Doctors blowing the whistle world wide about COVID and the Vax are less reputable than the MSfakeNews. Again, your a Loony Toon Fake News Conspiracy Theorists.

    Any again, GOOD DAY SIR. Go find some other team and community to troll with your disinformation.

  102. Slugglife Says:

    Progressive tactics 101.

    Label everything a conspiracy theory because it makes your opponents seem unreasonable. When their concerns are finally proven true, it doesn’t matter because the sociopolitical needle has already been moved and people have short memories.

    Sasquatch, you’re a useful idiot. DT45 was right all along about China, the Virus, the B idens, and the conspiracy to commit election fraud.

    Makes you wonder, if progressive thought and theory is so great, why can’t they defend it, debate it, and win hearts and minds? Because it’s an indefensible position that depends on fear, misinformation, and propaganda. Oh, and violence.

    Whenever you see conspiracy theory mentioned, just know you’re right over the target.

  103. Slugglife Says:

    Just reread- so foul language, no personal attacks, no insults.

    Moderation again. I’m starting to think Joe flags my posts so he doesn’t miss anything I say. I’m honored Joe. Thanks.

  104. Slugglife Says:

    Typical- you make statements of accusation, it’s up to everybody to prove you wrong.

    Sasquatch is Adam Schaffer.

  105. sasquatch Says:

    You provided information and refuse to back it up. There is no credible documentation of your assertion.

    That is the definition of disinformation.

  106. Slugglife Says:

    I apologize to Adam Schaffer.

    Sasquatch is Adam Schiff. Schiffsquatch.

  107. sasquatch Says:

    I ask people who make claims to back them up. You did not.

    I have not made any claims that are not widely available from credible medical and public health sources.

    You people apparently have a misunderstanding of what disinformation is.

  108. Slugglife Says:

    Your claim of disinformation is a conspiracy theory. You’re a nut. Take off your tinfoil hat. Lefties need psychological help. It’s probably the vaccine that drove you nutty. More reason not to take it.

    Exhibit 1- Schiffsquatch.

  109. Slugglife Says:

    Name of credible medical or public health source that isn’t a lying, cheating, grudging, corrupt group of progressives.

    I’ll wait, Schiffsquatch.

  110. sasquatch Says:

    This entire thread is evidence of the depravity of the right-wing… no ethics, no allegiance to fact, only believing fake information from blatantly political organizations… and then accusing reasonable people of being serfs or whatever. Your entire “movement” is garbage. You’ve made this country a fouecking joke.

  111. Slugglife Says:

    Schiffsquatch has spoken!!!

  112. Slugglife Says:

    We’re embarrassed that you’re an American, Schiffsquatch.

  113. gp Says:

    HEAR HEAR!!!

  114. Slugglife Says:

    This guy who can’t figure out which bathroom to use of which gender he is just accused us of depravity and being science deniers. Brilliant!

    Stay sciencey my friend. XX. 🐑

  115. Slugglife Says:

    Now take multiple L’s. Hug your wife and put your kids to bed and go find Ybors finest. Then come home and brush your teeth before you go to bed.

    It’s the least you can do since you’ve been vaccinated.

  116. SB Says:

    Bob Says:
    July 25th, 2021 at 10:14 am
    Keep going anti vax morans. Thin the herd, natural selection at its best. Anti science, anti vax = moran. Don’t take the jab, consequences get cut. If you think any players who don’t won’t be cut, well you’re likely an anti vaxing idiot. These are opinions from me geniuses, worth what you paid for them


    After reading the Entire thread you are the “Special Individual” that I wanted to respond to.
    Do you get tired of watching TV and getting these Tiring commercials on Medical Lawsuits????????
    ONE after the Other!
    Got a Hernia? Get this Mesh!……..We will just cut your groin open and install this safe stuff in your body. “DON”T WORRY we are Professionals!!!
    If you have Heart Disease Take THIS Pill
    -30 second disclaimer on side effects-
    Are you Mentally Ill and suffering from Depression?
    We have this new drug called —
    -45 second disclaimer on side effects-

    Wow I mean just wow!
    Do you even realize how much better a world this place was 50 years ago when that stuff wasn’t available? I think not

  117. SB Says:

    Truth be told not ONE Pro Vaxer I have ever met can tell me what they took in their arm.
    They just blindly trusted. I won’t say that the vax hasn’t temporarily at least helped people. But I am not blind
    I will watch and see what happens. I have already had it and have natural immunities. I have zero health issues and am in great shape.
    As of now there are too many possible side effects for me or my family to take it.

  118. Merlin Says:

    It’s not debate if you’re making everything up. Debate is using provable facts and basing an argument on them. You are continuously making up stats about vaccine deaths and 95% false positive rates. It is impossible to debate somebody who lies and then ignores your rebuttal when you dispute the lie

  119. gp Says:

    Do some research on Nigeria, Population, land mass, healthcare system, total deaths due to covid.
    Try to figure out why there is such a great disparity.

    THEN, come back and discuss who has been lying to who, and why.

    I’m not going to give you any facts that you will just dismiss as hearsay.
    Do some reading AND thinking for yourself.

  120. Merlin Says:

    I work in a virology lab, design vaccines and study vaccine efficacy. My job literally demands that I know more than you about this.

  121. Merlin Says:

    There are four serology studies from last summer in Congo, Kenya, Malawi and Zambia. In each of these they determined the population infectivity of the countries was between 4 and 10%, with rates tilting higher in the cities and lower in rural areas. This is in stark contrast to the population covid PCR positive testing rate which is commonly viewed on the Johns Hopkins site. In each case the authors declare that the infectivity rate in the majority of Africa is under reported by as much as a thousandfold because they do not have the capacity to run the test. In most of the countries the capacity was built up at their national influenza center, but the bulk of the hospitals and public health offices do not have the ability to run PCR either due to lack of equipment, lack of funding or lack of reagents. You can’t detect and you can’t report what you don’t look for.
    To date Nigeria has run barely over 2 million total tests in a country with 200 million people. Almost all of those tests were run in Lagos.The majority of the hospitals there do not test for covid at all. Postmortem studies have found as many as 16 to 20% of total hospital deaths were in covid positive patients, but not reported to the public health lab and not added to the covid fatality rate because they were not tested at or before the time of death.

    All of this information is publicly available but you have to be willing to read the primary scientific literature. If you choose to get your news from the examiner or pundit, then I am sorry, but you are not going to get an informed data set. You will end up with a report Nigeria only has a .0013% covid positive rate and it’s simply not true

  122. gp Says:

    That explanation sounds true and you sound like you know what you’re talking about.
    I would like to point out that third world countries have a tendency to over report such things for the sympathy angle. If, as you say, they only had 2 million tests to run,they would have saved them for the people with intense symptoms and would thus have a higher percentage of positives.

    They’ll never get the help they need by under reporting.

    Sorry, not enough time to discuss further, gotta go to work.

  123. Merlin Says:

    It would make sense for them to save the short supply for critical care diagnosis. In reality, even though the bulk have been donated to the country they still end up going to test negative or minor symptom affluent people who pay a reported $143 US Dollars on average for the test. I guess superficially you can back this path of action by saying the diagnosis wouldn’t change the treatment in critical cases? It’s not like they’re going to have monoclonal antibody therapy.
    They have no option but to under report because a large number of the places still record on paper with no digital interface. Even pre-covid the estimates in many African countries were only one in 10 deaths get properly reported per year. This is also linked to there often being no requirement to do so.

  124. Merlin Says:

    $143 is not average, sorry. Up to $143