There Should Be No Debate

April 21st, 2020

Joe noticed some people on Twitter are apprehensive about trading a fourth-round pick for future Hall of Fame tight end Rob Gronkowski.

C’mon, people!

Earlier today, the Bucs obtained the previously retired Gronk for a fourth-round pick, No. 139 overall and got back a seventh-rounder from the Belicheats. Some folks even winced about throwing away a fourth-round pick.

Really. Really?

So Joe decided to go through the history of Bucs fourth-round picks this century.

John Howell
Travis Stephens
Austin King
Lance Nimmo
Will Allen
Dan Buenning
Alan Zemaitis
Tanard Jackson
Dre Moore
Sackless Kyle Moore
Stripper pole-swinging, mattress-in-the-yard Mike Williams
Luke Stocker
Will Gholston
Kneeling Akeem Spence
Kwon Alexander
Ryan Smith
Jordan Whitehead
Anthony Nelson

Look at that list. Who is the best? Will Gholston? Kwon Alexander? Tanard Jackson was pretty good but he smoked himself out of the league (allegedly). Mike Williams was pretty good but he basically threw in the towel after he got his second contract and tried to go all rap star.

Are any of those guys listed remotely thought to be a Hall of Fame player? Hell no!

Granted, acquiring Gronk does come with risk. He was retired for a year. He is not in football shape. He is injury-prone.

Still, when he is on the field and healthy, Gronk has Hall of Fame talent and possibly is the best tight end in the game. Even someone like Kwon, himself injury-prone, would be worth trading even up for Gronk.

Anyone suggesting the Bucs got hosed by Bill Belicheat here, well, it simply doesn’t wash with Joe.

57 Responses to “There Should Be No Debate”

  1. Chuck Says:

    It’s the $10M that has me scratching my head. Not the draft pick

  2. Dom>Licht Says:

    Joe you don’t know if Gronk plays 6 games this year. Has not played a full season in years… he ends up in IR which is possible with his injury history and being at a football for over a year… Ill say Belicheat Made over quite well! Y’all act like this guy was in his prime when he retired

  3. Jean Lafitte Says:

    I agree Joe

    ..a fourth for a playmaker that could help get us into the playoffs, what a deal!

  4. Jean Lafitte Says:

    These aren’t Buc fans crying, they’re butt hurt Pat fans

  5. Josh collins Says:

    Man I swear Joe. Light has been paying Madden GM building and Allstar team. Do you know how much I gotta cheat to get this good of a team on a video game. Big pros to Light. He woke up

  6. Old_Tampa Says:

    Who cares? Another talented player. Not just another talented player, but a LEGEND in the NFL!! What is wrong with Bucs fans? I wish I still lived in Tampa Bay, but I live in NC. Wake up Bucs fans! This year is different. Get on board and support your team!!!!! LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Dom>Licht Says:

    We’ve blown a lot of 1st round picks also Joe! Maybe we can trade this years for Randy Moss or Vince Wilfork! Just because we have a history of blowing draft picks does not justify trading for an injury prone guy that has not played a full season in years… recent history proves he will not be available come play off time

  8. Kobe Faker Says:

    ” I finished my cornflakes, put my hoodie on and ended a phonecall with Jason Gump and this afternoon I have a extra 4th round pick I didn’t have before breakfast”


  9. LaMarcus Says:

    I actually love it and makes less bitter of the situation. I’m actually super excited now.

    Who cares what guys get paid. Just win baby!!!

    Now get that running back in the first like Taylor if he there get them

    Just go with Brady players who he has chemistry with because of limited reps right now.

  10. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Licht>Dom and you can’t stand it

  11. JP09 Says:

    @Nfog is that you dressed up like dom>Licht, go kick rocks buddy

    RAY JAY IS GOING TO BE SOLD-OUT AGAIN!!!! Once this bs virus is taken care of

  12. Joe Says:

    Joe you don’t know if Gronk plays 6 games this year.

    Joe clearly cited this in the story.

  13. Anonymous Says:

    It puts butte in seats though.

  14. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    you guys know there is a chance that unfortunately we are playing the season in empty stadiums.

    It would suck but it’s better then no football.

  15. Joe Says:

    It puts butte in seats though.

    And The Sickness chases them away. 🙁

  16. Steven007 Says:

    Lamarcus, nice to have you back in the fold.

  17. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Gronk knows we cant afford 10 mil. He will restructure for 2 years and go after a ring that doesn’t have Belichick’s name attached to it. He has plenty of money.

    The thing I havent seen a lot of talk about is the fact Gronk is one or the best blocking TE’s ever. He will improve our run game a lot and if we can get 12 games out of him this year. That would be a steal for a 4th round pick.

  18. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    We now have the option of using OJ as trade bait during the draft or keep him and have 3 good TE’s making about the same as Jimmy Graham got with his new deal lol

  19. Ndog Says:

    My take is we truly just got the greatest of all time at his position today. Now if he is healthy or not we will see. Brady is one of the greatest for sure but Gronk is truly the best if all time. If he is himself this is a great deal.

  20. Joe in Michigan Says:

    Most of these were HIGH (especially Tanard Jackson) 4th Rounders. This was a later, compensation pick…Not that makes that much of a difference for one of the best TE’s the NFL has ever had. Clearly past his prime, there’s an injury risk, but there’s an injury risk with all of the Bucs players. Might as well enjoy the moment, Bucs fans. We’re in the limelight once again!!

  21. Ship Thief Says:




  22. Ship Thief Says:

    In 2 days this list will seem even more solid

  23. Ship Thief Says:


    Not *seem

  24. SteveK Says:

    Jolly about Gronk, can’t beat the price.

  25. tvan101 Says:

    dom>licht your name says it all, go be a poor announcer for nfl network.

  26. LaMarcus Says:

    It’s a 4th round pick. Who cares?? I’ll gamble that any day given situation.

    I’ll do that than draft Ryan Smith or Dre Moore

  27. Ship Thief Says:

    Bucs have never had a roster like this,
    It’s a great time to be a buc!

    Can’t wait for Thursday!

  28. Chris l Says:

    Tell this to the dumbass bassinger. Nothing the Bucs do pleases that guy. Let him be a miserable human being. If he was so smart he would be running a team. Screw him

  29. REDZONE BA Fa Says:

    Best TE ever to play is now a Bucs TE? Reunited w Brady? Super Bowl or BUST!

    Bucs have the BEST offensive talent in NFL to win NOW, baby! No excuses.

    Licht -Get a RB in draft….Watch out NFC South! Expect Payton to draft a boatload of D/CB’s. Matt Rhule has a pass as first year HC. ATL – OUCH! Bye…sorry about your luck.

    Playoffs – here come the BUCS

  30. Ship Thief Says:

    The only thing I’m going to miss is the cheap tickets…

    Much love to the Bucs for turning up the heat!

  31. Bird Says:

    Cool. So they kept their early 4th round pick
    Traded later 4th rounder for Gronk

    Good to hear.

  32. Jerry Jones Says:

    I mean, you don’t even know how Kwon, Whitehead or Nelsons careers are headed(maybe Kwons)so including them isn’t relevant.

    What’s best is that we only had to give up our compensatory, which leaves us even headed into the draft.

  33. SOEbuc Says:

    WWhitehead is a good round four S that could possibly be with the Bucs for awhile.

  34. SB Says:

    Not sure about the acquisition but I am Sure about GO BUCS!!!!!!

  35. Robert James Says:

    its not just gronk for a 4! Gronk is going to eat up cap space plus we now have to give up on oj. I don’t like bc of the injury risk, but i get it… tom wanted it so lets roll. we ain’t trading a 2 for trent williams now for sure.

  36. StonedBuc Says:

    We need a top alpha corner and our team is ready.

  37. Sappattack Says:

    A lot of trash fans… been a Bucs fan since ‘95. It’s been bleak as hell after 2002. You beat up on Licht for failing, hiring two poor head coaches and drafting Jameis. He rights the ship by hiring BA, and BA gives an honest evaluation about Jameis saying he wants to see what’s behind door number two. Door number two happens to be Brady and Gronk (I cant even believe this as I’m writing it!) and you complain?? I’ll never understand this fanbase. Congrats to Mr. Licht for delivering, and BA & the Glazers as well. Cheers to Bucs fan young an old, OG and bandwagon. Let’s go!

  38. REDZONE BA Fa Says:

    Glazers want SB win – NOW! Regardless of short-term costs.

    Win theme history for Glazers repeats….hiring Gruden via future draft costs to overcome the hump, and win the SB paid off. Glazers are doing it again…. via Brady/Gronk.

    Kudos, as all of us as Bucs fans want to win SB, NOW! Sick of losing at home, no playoffs, etc. Want to compete, and be in SB….

    Seems future is NOW…

  39. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The worthless 4th round picks are an indictment of bad gm’s making poor decisions!!!!!!!!! And the sheep just see it as a worthless pick!!!!!!!!!

    Enjoy it now sheep, their will be a price to pay!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!

  40. DVSONE15 Says:

    People forget that Gronk was the primary target in NE. We don’t need him to have the same production he had in NE, just a fraction and a red zone target. We have Evans and Godwin to take that pressure and double teams off of him. On top of that, as of right now, we have 2 other TE’s that can relieve him. This was a comp 4th rd pick that we used, not too sure what people are complaining about.

  41. SOEbuc Says:

    Brought him in for one year to teach OJ how to become a pro bowl TE. Very good depth.

    GM SOEbuc: Of course trades will change things, but this is just all situations I like Rounds 1-7.

    1. Trade back in the first for RT Isaiah Wilson.
    2. RB Taylor/Dobbins and S Dugger in the second.
    3. DT
    4. Trade back into fourth for another pick. OLB and OG/C
    5. QB Anthony Gordon is a perfect fit to sit under Tom for two years.
    6. WR Devin Duverney
    7. CB

  42. Dapostman Says:

    Gronk is Brady’s security blanket. It’s a huge move because these two know each other so well.

    Final 4 or bust!

  43. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    Latest mock, I liked what I saw when got on the clock!

    14: R1P14
    45: R2P13
    76: R3P12
    117: R4P11
    161: R5P15
    194: R6P15
    230: R7P16

  44. REDZONE BA Fa Says:

    Licht can complete the FA trifecta by getting Jadaveon who wants to win, now! Sick D….then draft RB and a speed WR….

  45. Ricky Says:

    So who do you pick for fantasy?

  46. Dak Robb Says:

    Wow a bunch of lame “Grown Men” in this group. People are really saying they are worried about the Bucs paying $10m for Gronk. You would think this franchise has won multiple Super Bowls and have had Hall of Fame offensive players in its history. When was the last time we made the playoffs? The pessimism here is laughable. We have a tantalizing offense and a Defense that was just forming a bond during the second half of its FIRST year in this scheme. A lot of you dudes should be wearing panties. I look forward to atleast 10-12 wins this year. We have a huge target on our backs and I love it. Go Bucs #stpetebucsfan #727piratesquad

  47. ©MadMax Says:

    We got him?! Hot Dammit boy!!! Im hungover as fk, just waking up…..Holy sh!t!!!

  48. ©MadMax Says:

    For a 4th? You fkn kidding right?! Dammstraight up GREAT fkn deal Mr Licht! My man doing work….yall haters on Mr. Licht need to shut your dmn mouth! Wow!

  49. REDZONE BA Fa Says:

    If Gronk can slam-dunk in end zone – 10X in a Bucs uni —woohooo. Spells success!

  50. SOEbuc Says:

    Platinum in the red zone:)!!!

  51. adam from ny Says:

    Gronk is:


    he has a connection with gronk…

    they speak the same language before getting on the field…

    it’s a good move…

    the 4th will be gotten back for howard…

    but the goal is to get a 3rd for howard…

    ideally, you steal a 2nd for howard…but probably not happening

  52. firethecannons Says:

    it is all about filling the seats at RayJay won’t be empty now–I would say the 4th rd pick was worth it in Glazer’s eyes

  53. Rod Munch Says:

    It’s a typical loser mentality issue – the type of person that wins $1000 playing a scratch off lottery ticket and use that $1000 to buy 1000 more lottery tickets.

  54. ©MadMax Says:

    Brady: “This weather is much nicer down here”

    Gronk: “Yeah Bro, a lot nicer, and the chics wearing so little”

    Brady: “Yeah man, remember those touchdowns I threw to you in the playoffs?”

    Gronk: “Of course I do bro”

    Brady: “Get your mind off of hot chics for now….we’re here to win a Superbowl again and have a limited time frame to do it in”

    Gronk: “Yeah I know, but did you see hoohaas on that blonde just now, dammit boy”

    Brady: “SMDH, boy you are something, I’ll give you that”

    Gronk: “Thats right…ok lets do this….time to win another ring”

    …..and the rest is history 🙂

  55. PANAMA1638 Says:

    Are you kidding me?? How is this not a good trade? Gronk hasn’t played a full season in years and he is still that productive. His last season was better than anything OJ has done to this point plus he is now the best blocking TE on the roster as well.

  56. Mord Says:

    Stroud’s article says the deal was for *both* of the 4th round picks.

    Is that .. so? Not what the article says. Perhaps it was corrected.–Joe

  57. TOM Says:

    Gronk should re do his contract less money but incentives.