There Should Be No Debate
April 21st, 2020
Joe noticed some people on Twitter are apprehensive about trading a fourth-round pick for future Hall of Fame tight end Rob Gronkowski.
C’mon, people!
Earlier today, the Bucs obtained the previously retired Gronk for a fourth-round pick, No. 139 overall and got back a seventh-rounder from the Belicheats. Some folks even winced about throwing away a fourth-round pick.
Really. Really?
So Joe decided to go through the history of Bucs fourth-round picks this century.
John Howell
Travis Stephens
Austin King
Lance Nimmo
Will Allen
Dan Buenning
Alan Zemaitis
Tanard Jackson
Dre Moore
Sackless Kyle Moore
Stripper pole-swinging, mattress-in-the-yard Mike Williams
Luke Stocker
Will Gholston
Kneeling Akeem Spence
Kwon Alexander
Ryan Smith
Jordan Whitehead
Anthony Nelson
Look at that list. Who is the best? Will Gholston? Kwon Alexander? Tanard Jackson was pretty good but he smoked himself out of the league (allegedly). Mike Williams was pretty good but he basically threw in the towel after he got his second contract and tried to go all rap star.
Are any of those guys listed remotely thought to be a Hall of Fame player? Hell no!
Granted, acquiring Gronk does come with risk. He was retired for a year. He is not in football shape. He is injury-prone.
Still, when he is on the field and healthy, Gronk has Hall of Fame talent and possibly is the best tight end in the game. Even someone like Kwon, himself injury-prone, would be worth trading even up for Gronk.
Anyone suggesting the Bucs got hosed by Bill Belicheat here, well, it simply doesn’t wash with Joe.
April 21st, 2020 at 9:44 pm
It’s the $10M that has me scratching my head. Not the draft pick
April 21st, 2020 at 9:45 pm
Joe you don’t know if Gronk plays 6 games this year. Has not played a full season in years… he ends up in IR which is possible with his injury history and being at a football for over a year… Ill say Belicheat Made over quite well! Y’all act like this guy was in his prime when he retired
April 21st, 2020 at 9:46 pm
I agree Joe
..a fourth for a playmaker that could help get us into the playoffs, what a deal!
April 21st, 2020 at 9:48 pm
These aren’t Buc fans crying, they’re butt hurt Pat fans
April 21st, 2020 at 9:49 pm
Man I swear Joe. Light has been paying Madden GM building and Allstar team. Do you know how much I gotta cheat to get this good of a team on a video game. Big pros to Light. He woke up
April 21st, 2020 at 9:50 pm
Who cares? Another talented player. Not just another talented player, but a LEGEND in the NFL!! What is wrong with Bucs fans? I wish I still lived in Tampa Bay, but I live in NC. Wake up Bucs fans! This year is different. Get on board and support your team!!!!! LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2020 at 9:53 pm
We’ve blown a lot of 1st round picks also Joe! Maybe we can trade this years for Randy Moss or Vince Wilfork! Just because we have a history of blowing draft picks does not justify trading for an injury prone guy that has not played a full season in years… recent history proves he will not be available come play off time
April 21st, 2020 at 9:55 pm
” I finished my cornflakes, put my hoodie on and ended a phonecall with Jason Gump and this afternoon I have a extra 4th round pick I didn’t have before breakfast”
Bellichick
April 21st, 2020 at 9:56 pm
I actually love it and makes less bitter of the situation. I’m actually super excited now.
Who cares what guys get paid. Just win baby!!!
Now get that running back in the first like Taylor if he there get them
Just go with Brady players who he has chemistry with because of limited reps right now.
April 21st, 2020 at 9:56 pm
Licht>Dom and you can’t stand it
April 21st, 2020 at 9:57 pm
@Nfog is that you dressed up like dom>Licht, go kick rocks buddy
RAY JAY IS GOING TO BE SOLD-OUT AGAIN!!!! Once this bs virus is taken care of
April 21st, 2020 at 10:03 pm
Joe clearly cited this in the story.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:03 pm
It puts butte in seats though.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:04 pm
you guys know there is a chance that unfortunately we are playing the season in empty stadiums.
It would suck but it’s better then no football.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:05 pm
And The Sickness chases them away. 🙁
April 21st, 2020 at 10:05 pm
Lamarcus, nice to have you back in the fold.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:07 pm
Gronk knows we cant afford 10 mil. He will restructure for 2 years and go after a ring that doesn’t have Belichick’s name attached to it. He has plenty of money.
The thing I havent seen a lot of talk about is the fact Gronk is one or the best blocking TE’s ever. He will improve our run game a lot and if we can get 12 games out of him this year. That would be a steal for a 4th round pick.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:08 pm
We now have the option of using OJ as trade bait during the draft or keep him and have 3 good TE’s making about the same as Jimmy Graham got with his new deal lol
April 21st, 2020 at 10:11 pm
My take is we truly just got the greatest of all time at his position today. Now if he is healthy or not we will see. Brady is one of the greatest for sure but Gronk is truly the best if all time. If he is himself this is a great deal.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:12 pm
Most of these were HIGH (especially Tanard Jackson) 4th Rounders. This was a later, compensation pick…Not that makes that much of a difference for one of the best TE’s the NFL has ever had. Clearly past his prime, there’s an injury risk, but there’s an injury risk with all of the Bucs players. Might as well enjoy the moment, Bucs fans. We’re in the limelight once again!!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:15 pm
Brady
Evans
Godwin
Gronkowski
Howard
Brate
Rojo
Barrett
Vea
Jpp
Suh
David
White
!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:17 pm
In 2 days this list will seem even more solid
April 21st, 2020 at 10:20 pm
*Be
Not *seem
April 21st, 2020 at 10:21 pm
Jolly about Gronk, can’t beat the price.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:21 pm
dom>licht your name says it all, go be a poor announcer for nfl network.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:23 pm
It’s a 4th round pick. Who cares?? I’ll gamble that any day given situation.
I’ll do that than draft Ryan Smith or Dre Moore
April 21st, 2020 at 10:25 pm
Bucs have never had a roster like this,
It’s a great time to be a buc!
Can’t wait for Thursday!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:26 pm
Tell this to the dumbass bassinger. Nothing the Bucs do pleases that guy. Let him be a miserable human being. If he was so smart he would be running a team. Screw him
April 21st, 2020 at 10:28 pm
Best TE ever to play is now a Bucs TE? Reunited w Brady? Super Bowl or BUST!
Bucs have the BEST offensive talent in NFL to win NOW, baby! No excuses.
Licht -Get a RB in draft….Watch out NFC South! Expect Payton to draft a boatload of D/CB’s. Matt Rhule has a pass as first year HC. ATL – OUCH! Bye…sorry about your luck.
Playoffs – here come the BUCS
April 21st, 2020 at 10:28 pm
The only thing I’m going to miss is the cheap tickets…
Much love to the Bucs for turning up the heat!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:31 pm
Cool. So they kept their early 4th round pick
Traded later 4th rounder for Gronk
Good to hear.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:37 pm
I mean, you don’t even know how Kwon, Whitehead or Nelsons careers are headed(maybe Kwons)so including them isn’t relevant.
What’s best is that we only had to give up our compensatory, which leaves us even headed into the draft.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:38 pm
WWhitehead is a good round four S that could possibly be with the Bucs for awhile.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:38 pm
Not sure about the acquisition but I am Sure about GO BUCS!!!!!!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:40 pm
its not just gronk for a 4! Gronk is going to eat up cap space plus we now have to give up on oj. I don’t like bc of the injury risk, but i get it… tom wanted it so lets roll. we ain’t trading a 2 for trent williams now for sure.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:47 pm
We need a top alpha corner and our team is ready.
April 21st, 2020 at 10:47 pm
A lot of trash fans… been a Bucs fan since ‘95. It’s been bleak as hell after 2002. You beat up on Licht for failing, hiring two poor head coaches and drafting Jameis. He rights the ship by hiring BA, and BA gives an honest evaluation about Jameis saying he wants to see what’s behind door number two. Door number two happens to be Brady and Gronk (I cant even believe this as I’m writing it!) and you complain?? I’ll never understand this fanbase. Congrats to Mr. Licht for delivering, and BA & the Glazers as well. Cheers to Bucs fan young an old, OG and bandwagon. Let’s go!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:50 pm
Glazers want SB win – NOW! Regardless of short-term costs.
Win theme history for Glazers repeats….hiring Gruden via future draft costs to overcome the hump, and win the SB paid off. Glazers are doing it again…. via Brady/Gronk.
Kudos, as all of us as Bucs fans want to win SB, NOW! Sick of losing at home, no playoffs, etc. Want to compete, and be in SB….
Seems future is NOW…
April 21st, 2020 at 10:51 pm
The worthless 4th round picks are an indictment of bad gm’s making poor decisions!!!!!!!!! And the sheep just see it as a worthless pick!!!!!!!!!
Enjoy it now sheep, their will be a price to pay!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!
April 21st, 2020 at 10:54 pm
People forget that Gronk was the primary target in NE. We don’t need him to have the same production he had in NE, just a fraction and a red zone target. We have Evans and Godwin to take that pressure and double teams off of him. On top of that, as of right now, we have 2 other TE’s that can relieve him. This was a comp 4th rd pick that we used, not too sure what people are complaining about.
April 21st, 2020 at 11:09 pm
Brought him in for one year to teach OJ how to become a pro bowl TE. Very good depth.
GM SOEbuc: Of course trades will change things, but this is just all situations I like Rounds 1-7.
1. Trade back in the first for RT Isaiah Wilson.
2. RB Taylor/Dobbins and S Dugger in the second.
3. DT
4. Trade back into fourth for another pick. OLB and OG/C
5. QB Anthony Gordon is a perfect fit to sit under Tom for two years.
6. WR Devin Duverney
7. CB
April 21st, 2020 at 11:16 pm
Gronk is Brady’s security blanket. It’s a huge move because these two know each other so well.
Final 4 or bust!
April 21st, 2020 at 11:34 pm
Latest mock, I liked what I saw when got on the clock!
14: R1P14
DL JAVON KINLAW
SOUTH CAROLINA
45: R2P13
RB D’ANDRE SWIFT
GEORGIA
76: R3P12
S ASHTYN DAVIS
CALIFORNIA
117: R4P11
G BEN BARTCH
ST. JOHNS
161: R5P15
OT YASIR DURANT
MISSOURI
194: R6P15
CB LAMAR JACKSON
NEBRASKA
230: R7P16
EDGE NICK COE
AUBURN
April 21st, 2020 at 11:40 pm
Licht can complete the FA trifecta by getting Jadaveon who wants to win, now! Sick D….then draft RB and a speed WR….
April 21st, 2020 at 11:45 pm
So who do you pick for fantasy?
April 21st, 2020 at 11:49 pm
Wow a bunch of lame “Grown Men” in this group. People are really saying they are worried about the Bucs paying $10m for Gronk. You would think this franchise has won multiple Super Bowls and have had Hall of Fame offensive players in its history. When was the last time we made the playoffs? The pessimism here is laughable. We have a tantalizing offense and a Defense that was just forming a bond during the second half of its FIRST year in this scheme. A lot of you dudes should be wearing panties. I look forward to atleast 10-12 wins this year. We have a huge target on our backs and I love it. Go Bucs #stpetebucsfan #727piratesquad
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:08 am
We got him?! Hot Dammit boy!!! Im hungover as fk, just waking up…..Holy sh!t!!!
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:13 am
For a 4th? You fkn kidding right?! Dammstraight up GREAT fkn deal Mr Licht! My man doing work….yall haters on Mr. Licht need to shut your dmn mouth! Wow!
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:22 am
If Gronk can slam-dunk in end zone – 10X in a Bucs uni —woohooo. Spells success!
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:29 am
Platinum in the red zone:)!!!
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:35 am
Gronk is:
#BradyComfortFood
he has a connection with gronk…
they speak the same language before getting on the field…
it’s a good move…
the 4th will be gotten back for howard…
but the goal is to get a 3rd for howard…
ideally, you steal a 2nd for howard…but probably not happening
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:38 am
it is all about filling the seats at RayJay won’t be empty now–I would say the 4th rd pick was worth it in Glazer’s eyes
April 22nd, 2020 at 12:53 am
It’s a typical loser mentality issue – the type of person that wins $1000 playing a scratch off lottery ticket and use that $1000 to buy 1000 more lottery tickets.
April 22nd, 2020 at 1:00 am
Brady: “This weather is much nicer down here”
Gronk: “Yeah Bro, a lot nicer, and the chics wearing so little”
Brady: “Yeah man, remember those touchdowns I threw to you in the playoffs?”
Gronk: “Of course I do bro”
Brady: “Get your mind off of hot chics for now….we’re here to win a Superbowl again and have a limited time frame to do it in”
Gronk: “Yeah I know, but did you see hoohaas on that blonde just now, dammit boy”
Brady: “SMDH, boy you are something, I’ll give you that”
Gronk: “Thats right…ok lets do this….time to win another ring”
…..and the rest is history 🙂
April 22nd, 2020 at 5:48 am
Are you kidding me?? How is this not a good trade? Gronk hasn’t played a full season in years and he is still that productive. His last season was better than anything OJ has done to this point plus he is now the best blocking TE on the roster as well.
April 22nd, 2020 at 5:57 am
Stroud’s article says the deal was for *both* of the 4th round picks.
Is that .. so? Not what the article says. Perhaps it was corrected.–Joe
April 22nd, 2020 at 10:40 am
Gronk should re do his contract less money but incentives.