Brady Over Jameis = “2 To 3 Wins”
April 9th, 2020
A big Tom Brady supporter, former teammate and current BSPN analyst Tedy Bruschi jumped into a popular quarterback debate heard from Lakeland to Clearwater Beach and beyond.
What exactly will the Tom Brady addition translate to on the field for the Bucs, with Brady replacing unemployed America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston?
Bruschi joined WEEI radio in Boston recently and twice pegged Brady’s addition meaning 2 to 3 wins to the Bucs’ 7-9 record. Hosts on the show thought Brady was/is worth a lot more, but Bruschi was very clear. The Bucs are now a 9-to-10 win team.
He talked about how he believes the Bucs will be relevant and competitive in December, and the biggest improvement might be Brady’s effect on the Tampa Bay defense.
“The uplifting [as a defensive player], you’re just refreshed that you know the ball’s going to be taken care of,” Bruschi said.
Bruschi added that he’s a little concerned that the Bucs might have trouble building chemistry on offense because of lost time together due to the plague ravaging the nation. He believes Brady will be ready with verbiage and playbook, Bruschi said, but on-field chemistry is a very different animal.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:02 am
Wow Tom Brady the greatest QB of all time is better than Jameis. Who would’ve thought?
April 9th, 2020 at 10:08 am
Tom Brady is a short term upgrade (great) but it’s going to be a whole lot harder than some think to find a QB post Brady that will even come close to the production Jameis had.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:08 am
I would say that the win total would be minimally +3 when you factor in the reduced turnover rate, the expected change in team culture, the return of the
defense for an additional year AND perhaps an upgrade on the oline as well as a
spanking new running back.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:13 am
The Turnover differential alone will get us 3 wins.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:13 am
Agree with Elita. I have a question about running backs in the draft. Most of the top rated ones don’t seem very big. Maybe that’s usual. But since protecting Brady must be our number one priority, I wonder about drafting that FB/RB out of BC. Name of Dillon. He is 250 pounds and I think he would be better able to block those big edge rushers than most any other RB. He also has 4.5 speed. Just asking.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:19 am
Brady definitely not better than Jameis TODAY. Jameis was statistically better than Brady in EVERY category. Check ya sheet. And yeah that included interceptions so what. All this hype about Brady better turn into something. They better fix that offensive line of statue Brady will be down by game 5 and yall will wish you had Jameis back. To those of yall think Jameis is done or unemployed, please stop the hate. Jameis is young rich and talented. He can afford to wait for the “right” opportunity. Even if that means waiting until a “starter” goes down in the regular season, because it will happen. Yall got what most of yall racist ass wanted, he off the ship. But don’t act like that man don’t lead almost EVERY stat for a QB this team has ever had….don’t act like he didn’t give the Bucs a top 5 offense the last 2 years…sheep….Say something! Go Bucs…
April 9th, 2020 at 10:19 am
Everyone should keep in mind when this team was healthy and the defense had jelled this team WITH JAMEIS WINSTON went 5-1 last year.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:27 am
@ Tbbucs3
Who cares about matching the “production” when it didn’t lead to wins?
We have Brady which is amazing and I think he will blow up with the offensive talent we have on the team. We definitely need to beef up the line, but he has so much more to work with than he did in NE the last few years.
Yards are so overrated for judging a QB and I can’t stand when people just say “oh 5k yards…that must be great”. As the game has moved to a passing league and the rules have been changed to favor offense and passing you have to look at yards RELATIVE to what other QBs are doing. If a QB throws for 5k yards and the rest of the league is throwing for 2k that’s one thing, but if the rest of the league is throw 4-4-5k it’s completely different.
Also yards you throw for in in the 1H of games or in close games are very different than yards thrown where you are losing and teams soften up coverage.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:28 am
Ndog, why exactly should we keep that in mind at this point in time? What relevance does it have today?
April 9th, 2020 at 10:28 am
And there is another clear statement about how the rest of the team feels after a turnover, pissed, devastated and over it!
It is crystal clear that was a big part of moving on from JW.
He lost the room!
In BA I Trust!
April 9th, 2020 at 10:29 am
Tom Brady is definitely not better than Jameis TODAY. Aside from all his glory Brady wasn’t that good last year and was carried by a good defense in most games. Jameis beat Brady statistically in almost every category, yes, including interceptions…so what.
2 or 3 more wins??? Yall sure about that??? I tell you what, they better get that offensive line together or Brady will be out by game 5. And yall are gonna wish you had a Jameis Winston back there.If Brady has to play with the same caliber line as Jameis good luck…cause he damn sure can’t move or throw on the run like Jameis. Yall got what most of yall wanted tho. He off the ship. Go Bucs
April 9th, 2020 at 10:30 am
Jameis is no longer a Buccaneer. I know that’s a hard concept to swallow, but you’re gonna have to wrap your lips around it.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:30 am
LOL @ NDOG,
Those 5 wins were against ALL losing record teams – Cardinals, Jaguars, Colts, Falcons, and Lions.
Teams with is as little as 3 wins on the entire season and one team (Atlanta) with 7 wins). Others had 5-6 wins… the entire season.
The other team during that stretch, smashed us at home… the Saints. Your boy JAMEIS through for an embarrassing FOUR INTS and we lost by more than 3 scores.
CONTEXT, man… CONTEXT.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:31 am
NDog- the proverbial turd in the punch bowl. Every damn day.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:33 am
Tim Tebow has more post season wins than JW.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:35 am
THE BIG X-FACTOR…
How much more REST will our Defense get now with longer sustained drives and often not turning the ball over to the other team, sometimes early in drives, to make our Defense run right back onto the field again.
REST matters. That’s the other big negative about Jameis and his turnovers. He hurts the Defense by not protecting the ball and keeping our D on the bench to get rest. You just know they probably grew tired of his turnovers and the fact that they had to run right back onto the field so soon — AND often protecting a short field which makes them work ever harder under pressure to not give up points.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:37 am
I would say maybe 4 wins difference.
The other 52 guys also have to do their parts on Sundays
Going from Winston to Brady is like going from liver to prime rib
April 9th, 2020 at 10:38 am
EVERY team will have on-field jelling issues early in the season, not just the local boys…
April 9th, 2020 at 10:38 am
The way it seems to be going right now, Tom will have stats in the 2020 season and the other guy will have none!
April 9th, 2020 at 10:41 am
It’s so laughable how NDOG just can’t see that his “cherry-picked” stats and other things in support of Jameis don’t have major influence on his entire BODY OF WORK over FIVE LONG YEARS in the NFL.
It’s still mind-boggling to me how Ndog can cling to the “Jameis Greatness” narrative in his own mind, yet THE NFL HAS SPOKEN about Jameis. There’s a reason no one has signed him. The entire league has those 5 years of tape on Jameis. Many teams have prepared for him when they played against him over the past 5 years. They KNOW what they’re getting in Jameis. And… THEY PASS. They don’t want him either.
The odds are getting higher and higher that Jameis may have played his last NFL game.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:42 am
Steven007 Says:
April 9th, 2020 at 10:28 am
Ndog, why exactly should we keep that in mind at this point in time? What relevance does it have today?
Well considering everyone is saying we got rid of the worst QB in the league then wouldn’t it stand to reason that if we replaced the worst with the best, when the worst went 5-1, then shouldn’t expect more than a two-three game win improvement with the best?
April 9th, 2020 at 10:45 am
I love how the same people that get pissed when I point out Jameis went 5-1 are the same ones that brag about the defense improving when that was the same stretch. Ivan you are truly are double talking piece of sh!t.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:47 am
And please can someone anyone point anything I have posted about Winston’s “greatness” in this or any tread in recent memory?
Ivan you are a liar and pure garbage.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:48 am
The GOAT is in Tampa and it’s a GREAT thing to be a Bucs fan. Who is the other guy they keep talking about?
April 9th, 2020 at 10:48 am
The Bucs really won 9 games last year if they had a real NFL kicker. No, sometimes your aren’t what the record says you are. So, he is saying the Bucs should have 11-12 wins this year. Yes, that sounds about right and that is what I am predicting as well. They would have won with Jameis as well. The real key last year was the defense FINALLY stepping up. Now if they draft well including a top flight RB and a good right tackle this team will be formidable. I have no doubt in year 2 Jameis would have improved and reduced the interceptions back to his norm of 15 or less. With Jameis I think they would have gone 11-5. While he is the GOAT, he is 42. I think that will equate to one more win than Jameis and I think 12-4 is attainable if he stays healthy.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:51 am
I’m so racist……that I preferred Teddy Bridgewater over Jameis.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:55 am
Has anyone heard if Beckwith the linebacker is done or can he still come back and play?
April 9th, 2020 at 10:55 am
Brady is a boss. I wish Winston the best.
Turnovers matter, hence our QB and why our former QB remains a FA. Turnovers will not be tolerated in that amount of frequency.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:57 am
Ndog,
You make a point. Jameis won some games last year, but his overall play was not good enough. I wish him the best, and am glad we didn’t sign up for a 6th year of inconsistency.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:57 am
Ndog, you do realize your hero is currently unemployed. He went from making 20+M (and hoping for 30M) to making [donut]. You and I both know your answer to me was simple passive aggressiveness poorly disguised as something resembling logic (in which case I would point you towards Ivan’s 10:30 post to do my work for me (thanks, Ivan). I have to say, there’s a weird, almost childish undercurrent of “unfairness” in your JW obsessive missives. Where does this come from? Does this show up in other elements of your life? When your favorite Star Trek character (just a guess) leaves the show do you pepper the Trekkie blogs with charges of “not fair!” And the producers with letters and emails crying over that in which you had no decision? Inquiring minds want to know.
You know what happened when Sapp (by any and every definition a far better player at his position than JW could ever dream of being), one of my all-time favorite Bucs was left to find work and landed with the Raiders? I grimaced for a moment, wished him good luck with the Raiders and then immediately pivoted to hoping McFarland, Miller, whomever it was that replaced him at DT had their best season ever so that my time, which no longer had Warren Sapp as part of it, succeeded. I hardly kept tabs on Sapp afterwards because the Raiders aren’t my team. For me it’s just as simple as that. Obviously this is not the case for you. Which is why I’m truly curious. Why such unending and loving devotion for a player that had 5 long (often excruciating) years to succeed and simply failed at doing so. I have more sorrow for LVD (and his teammates) being the unfortunate beneficiary of a QB that made him return to the field of play approximately 20 more times than he needed to over the course of the season.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:59 am
SteveK,
It’s obvious that you are a racist. When anyone points out turnovers, that’s just the white man spewing racism! Did I get that
right @Jameis #1 Fan Qaeda? Let me know if I missed anything.
April 9th, 2020 at 10:59 am
*my team, not my time
April 9th, 2020 at 11:00 am
Hmm
Two – three more wins Brady being Brady. Two Less losses Brady not being Jameis (picks causing losses). Two more wins if Gay makes the point after’s and field goals he should.
6 more wins 🤔
Let’s see 9+6 = 15 wins!😳
15-1 😳
Then the playoff.😜
April 9th, 2020 at 11:01 am
My last comment is out of context since my previous one that I’m referencing is under moderation.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:06 am
Ivan how come that same context isn’t applied to the defense when people said they better in the second half?
April 9th, 2020 at 11:09 am
Nate you saying you wanted Teddy over Winston so you can’t be racist is like someone saying I can’t be racist because I have a black friend or vice versa I have a white friend.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:10 am
With this trash defense …. I wont put pressure on Brady like that. 9 wins is good for me
April 9th, 2020 at 11:21 am
We lost 6 games by 3 points or less last season. In those games Winston threw 18 interceptions and had several fumbles.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:28 am
REMINDER: Winston is unemployed. That means the hundreds of football experts who get paid to win football games don’t believe Winston would help their team.
Those of you still in the Winston camp are sitting on a deserted island. The last boat left a long time ago.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:46 am
Tbbucs3 Says:
April 9th, 2020 at 10:08 am
Tom Brady is a short term upgrade (great) but it’s going to be a whole lot harder than some think to find a QB post Brady that will even come close to the production Jameis had
Agreed. It will be very hard to replace those 30 picks and 6 fumbles. Most football players learn to protect the ball after their 3rd year of playing for their high school team.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:50 am
With playoff expansion to 14 teams 2 or 3 wins equals playoffs. I personally think maybe 3 or 4 wins.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:51 am
7-9 2019 to 11-5 2020.
April 9th, 2020 at 11:59 am
#1- Teams that win the turnover battle win ~70% of the time.
#2- Our former starter at QB led the NFL in turnovers and leads the league for his career from 2015- present.
#3- In the REGULAR SEASON, Winston’s 30 INTs eclipse that of Brady’s previous FOUR seasons COMBINED.
#4- See NUMBER ONE! 70% of 16 games is 10+ wins (11.2 to be exact!).
April 9th, 2020 at 12:00 pm
Jay will
That’s as dumb a post as I’ve seen considering the nut huggers accuse people of now wanting a black QB. The other poster is basically saying he wanted another black QB.
We all judges JW by the content of his character and his body of work. IDGAF if our next QB is blue. Just want to win the NFC SOUTH. If it’s the WHITE GOAT, I don’t care. If it’s the next black QB that does it I don’t care. Nobody should. You’d have to honestly observe who it is these days that is obsessed with the skin color of their QB or coach. Is it you? Because winning knows no skin color. Nor does losing. Personally I defer to the black Americans who are Buccaneer players. Seems like they’re all happy for the most part.
Is Brady their one white friend?
April 9th, 2020 at 12:04 pm
First all Teddy is saying this because himself and every other Pat’s fan was dying for him to retire a Pat. I understand the personal contact with players on the field doesn’t help at all but 2-3 wins JW vs Tom??? Who knows but that’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.
These idiots know nothing about the Bucs last year? We lost eight games by less than seven points. Our defense pulled a 180. With that info, you think a great GOAT leader with eight picks last year vs. crybaby Jameis 30 picks is going to win 2-3 more games. With two 1,000+ yards WR??? 9-7 or 10-6???
One thing Teddy was right about was is this team and town are freaking hyped on both sides? Especially two great pro bowlers like Mike Evans and LVD. Being great with the Bucs since the beginning and never seeing a hint of the playoffs.
Like I said, we shall see.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:10 pm
“Jameis #1 Fan” says “so what” to Jameis’ turnovers? Are you kidding???
From Football Perspective: “From 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games”.
Check THAT sheet!
April 9th, 2020 at 12:12 pm
Ndog,
With the daily Jameis-Diarrhea that comes out of your mouth of course you’re imply his Greatness. Are you really that stupid not to realize the consistency of your Jameis-Apologizing?
Man, you prove to be DUMBER and dumber with every post.
Our D did play fantastic in many of those games during the 5-1 stretch. Against the Lions & Jags our D gave up a TOTAL of only 3 points (total for both games) in the 1st half of each. Incredible.
How come when it comes to any wins you pretty much only give credit to Jameis??? Anything that’s a major positive for the team you don’t talk about it unless you can credit Jameis somehow. It’s like his 5K passing yards. You rarely mention that you have to have some decent protection in order to throw so many AIR yards and complete that many yards on the season. Yet you don’t ever give the O-Line any credit for that.
You’re a TOTAL HOMER, Ndog. You’ve been SMASHED upside your head by facts, statistics, an actual arguments of reason. You consistently LOSE nearly every discussion and argument on this site in your defense of Jameis or your cry-baby posts now about Brady and it’s “Super Bowl or bust” or it wasn’t worth getting rid of Jameis yadda yadda yadda.
You claim Winston is this amazing player, yet I showed you 100% statistical prove that Ryan Fitzpatrack had a season when pro-rated to 16 games in 2018, would have put up nearly 5K yards and better overall stats and QBR than Jameis with the same Offense and same weapons. Yet from you… CRICKETS. I’ve asked you to explain that one many times and you never address it.
You’re the FLAT EARTHER of Bucs Fans. No matter what stats & actual FACTS people smack you with, you continue down the same defiant path as if your alternative reality of football is so right and everyone else has to be wrong — including NFL GMs, coaches, and executives who do this for a living.
You are… as you love to say others… CLUELESS. Actually, you’re beyond clueless, you’re DELUSIONAL.
JAMEIS GRIEF TOUR: DAY 24. And here you are… still crying… still whining… still posting your negative nonsense. Someone that’s supposed to be a Bucs fan has turned into a little Debbie Downer that only posts NEGATIVE drivel now with every post.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:15 pm
What’s head scratching is the FACT that Jamis actually PAID off. UBER employee so that he ( Winston ) would not be imprisoned for such unacceptable social behavior…
YET he gets married and certain local Tampa sites and Winston apologist seem to allude that he is now a STELLAR person and should get a starting QB job and millions in pay…
So many teams are passing on Winston seemly because they are not blinded and they understand exactly who he actually is…. It would sure be nice at the local media would finally accept the fact that this is not the type person you want to be the face of your franchise and ask yourself would you really want your daughter dating this guy???
April 9th, 2020 at 12:16 pm
When we went 5-1, not one made the playoffs. Then we lost the last 2 because of turnovers, and 4 before 5-1 RUN.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:23 pm
Just one more tid bit…
JW has never come close to being a leader of this team. Every loss with him making turnovers (a lot) you would see him on the field or in post conference looking like a dog crying cus he got yelled at for peeing on the carpet. Opposite Brady runs things.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:34 pm
3 more wins with tom gravy…
and 1 less loss by the kicker…
puts us at 11-5 this year
#RideTheGravyTrain
April 9th, 2020 at 12:35 pm
and the refs giving us one more game…
puts us potentially at 12-4
🙂
the refs usually give or take a game from you every year…
they generally take a game away from the bucs – not any more tho
April 9th, 2020 at 12:36 pm
“ I’m so racist……that I preferred Teddy Bridgewater over Jameis.”
Nate, you’re not racist for that…..your just not good at evaluating quarterbacks.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:40 pm
Production > Interceptions
April 9th, 2020 at 12:40 pm
Wouldn’t we have had 2-3 more wins if our kicker wasn’t missing his field goals?
April 9th, 2020 at 12:42 pm
god it really amazes me how little people in this chat know about football.
Granted Joe himself said that turning the ball over in football = strikeouts in baseball and that seems to be the way a lot of people think. it’s absolutely ridiculous. Yes Winston produced.
How many times did his production put his team up a creek without a padde?
April 9th, 2020 at 12:47 pm
Not a big upgrade considering the projection wins with Brady = 9.
Some would argue we win more. I doubt it. Considering this is new territory and challenge for virgin Brady.
No matter how we slice it , jameis production was massive. We will be here talking about the same stuff in a year or two.
Brady is feeling the pressure to outplay jameis =5000 yards 30td.
Two receivers 1000 yds. Pro bowlers. Cam brate two pro bowl season 16’-17’
Anything less is a failure for Brady.
April 9th, 2020 at 12:51 pm
@tampabucbro
How many times did his production put his team up a creek without a padde?
Ok. How many times the “TEAM” production put jameis up a creek without a paddle?
April 9th, 2020 at 1:06 pm
Ivan shut ndog down now ndog is posting under adrnagy..lol
April 9th, 2020 at 1:07 pm
Ivan shut ndog down now ndog is posting under adrnagy..lol
April 9th, 2020 at 1:12 pm
Jameis is starting to grow on me… after all, he said its “kudos to me” for being replaced by Brady. Sounds like we’re almost all happy. Kudos all around!
April 9th, 2020 at 1:17 pm
Y’all better hope we improve on oline, special teams, and improvement from Matt Gay. That alone can jepordize those added 2 or 3 wins
April 9th, 2020 at 1:20 pm
Anonymous shut soggy down now ivan is posting under anonymou…lol
April 9th, 2020 at 1:22 pm
Exactly Ardnagy
How many Jameis haters acknowledge the massive failures of the Bucs pass defense over the last 5 years? Not many.
Instead we pat the defense on the back and bake cookies for them when they decided to play well for 1/2 the season when it was already WAY too late. Soft.
Jason Lichts inability to form a competent pass defense has been this teams biggest failure.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:26 pm
You clowns act like Winston giving the ball away like democrats give away money is OK because the secondary is horrific. Here is a news flash… they were both horrible. Because one was horrible doesn’t mean its OK because another was.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:26 pm
Final 4 or bust! Anything less will be a let down and if the Bucs don’t make the playoffs with the GOAT, seems like a stretch since 7 spots get in, then the whole coaching staff including the GM needs to get the AXE! Start over.
It’s all pretty simple.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:27 pm
Folks here think with “one addition “ will solve all. Even kicker.
Brady will be the kickers coach. Gay personal coach.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:28 pm
And by Brady coaching up gay we will have the 2-3 “wins”
April 9th, 2020 at 1:28 pm
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I’m thinking of doing a meet & greet day. Date and location coming up soon where you can get your picture with me and autograph. Same day !
Also we can prep you guys up with some football basics..
Special guest to be announce.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:32 pm
I’m not sure why you put wins in quotes, but then again I’m not quite sure why you continue to bash the Bucs in a Bucs fan board.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:32 pm
No, Joe, interceptions in football don’t equal offensive strikeouts.
Strikeouts offensively may reduce your offensive scoring, but it doesn’t directly give the opposition the opportunity to convert that mistake into points of their own.
Interceptions in football are more in line to your pitcher giving up walks. Free passes that can lead to your opposition scoring runs.
Show me a pitcher with a high walks-to-innings ratio, and I’ll show you a team that loses most days that he pitches.
Even with this comparison, NOTHING in pro sports equates more to losing games than losing the turnover battle in football. NOTHING.
FROM 2007 TO 2016, TEAMS THAT WON THE TURNOVER BATTLE WON 78% OF THEIR GAMES.
To all of you Jameis apologists out there, CHECK THAT SHEET!
April 9th, 2020 at 1:37 pm
FROM 2007 TO 2016, TEAMS THAT WON THE TURNOVER BATTLE WON 78% OF THEIR GAMES.
With that math, theoretically, if you won the turnover battle in all 16 games in a season, you would win 12.48 games per season JUST BY HAVING LESS TURNOVERS THAN YOUR OPPONENT, REGARDLESS OF PASSING YARDS OR TD THROWS.
Good riddance, Winston.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:37 pm
Apparently many like you believe by signing Brady = wins. Just Brady wins games. Leaving the thought of TEAM out the door.
Or jameis equals loses. Not team.
You get it stupi•
SC Bucs Fan Says:
April 9th, 2020 at 1:32 pm
I’m not sure why you put wins in quotes, but then again I’m not quite sure why you continue to bash the Bucs in a Bucs fan board.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
Adrnagy you weak minded fool.So If Brady throws for 4,100 yards and 22td and we win the division then it will be a failure? Cmon man. You think Brady has a fragile mind like you and will have those kind of loser thoughts? The man deserves a little more respect
April 9th, 2020 at 1:39 pm
@You’rekillingme Smalls,
Now do a stat for rushing yards. What is the % of wins where the team with the most rushing yards wins the game.
Thanks
April 9th, 2020 at 1:41 pm
No I believe sticking with Winson = 8-8. I don’t expect Brady to be a savior at this point in his career but Winson was leading us “nowhere” (since you like to use quotes). I’ll give Brady a try over sticking with something we KNOW doesn’t work.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:43 pm
Respect is earn. He hasn’t done nothing in a Bucs uniform. You keep bring Brady’s ( patriots )success to the talk.
Let me remind you -joe Montana ?
April 9th, 2020 at 1:44 pm
You can’t compare apples and oranges.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:53 pm
Hey Pogskin I know what he was saying. I’m saying these National guys don’t watch the Bucs. They were a 9-7 team last if they had a kicker. If they go 9-7 next year and the kicker doesn’t lose two games then i see that as zero improvement. Two or three wins more with Brady should mean 11 or 12 wins. Now if the kicker blows two more games and we go 9-7 I will stand corrected. You really need to follow a bit of sarcasm fwiw.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
Then don’t try to compare Winston to anyone else. He was not on their team or situation. He was only here. So what ever he did only matters here.
April 9th, 2020 at 1:57 pm
Ardnagy Montana, in his first year, led the Chiefs to the division title, first one in 22 years. Second year won 2 playoff games before getting knocked out in the third one. Third year led them to 13 wins, franchise record.
Just do a little research and you won’t look so stupid.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:06 pm
So … joe win Sb with the chiefs?
Joe 16td 9 int lol.
So again. You folks think it’s one person winning. Or losing. Chiefs won those years not because of joe. Do you know Marcus Allen ?
I bet you was not born yet.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:07 pm
Race Card
Lol I’m a black man.
And I was ready for Jameis to go I had seen enough. Does he have talent yes but that can only take you so far. We see it in all sports wasted talent. No coach can help Jameis reach his full potential he has to do and it starts with simple decision making period. Up until this point he is a bum to me. Get another opportunity maybe it final clicks for him. Prove me wrong Jameis
April 9th, 2020 at 2:09 pm
Adrnagy, bringing up Joe Montana without knowing what Montana did for the Chiefs organization is some classic dunce sh*t! 😂
April 9th, 2020 at 2:09 pm
TampaTown Says:
“Wouldn’t we have had 2-3 more wins if our kicker wasn’t missing his field goals?”
I hope Brady can kick too!
April 9th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
I bet you was not born yet. “ardnagy”
And I bet you was missing English class. Keep making all the excuses you want buddy. Your guy is gone. Keep crying like a little girl.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:11 pm
Shut up about kickers and oline and coaching every fan base cry’s about the same things the Bucs are no different Winston has not shown improvement with his decisions since we drafted him that’s a fact you can argue it
April 9th, 2020 at 2:11 pm
You would not want to bet me because you would lose.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:12 pm
Smalls,
Ints are like errors- a mistake and costs you games.
Strikeouts are like incompletions, both coming up empty when taking a swing at it.
I agree with you that Joe does not objectively look st turnovers when they pertain to Jameis’ yards and points. More turnovers than touchdowns. It’s as simple as that.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:14 pm
Adrnagy,
If Brady did what shoe did with the Chiefs it would be a success because Winston’s turnovers were holding us back.
Wake up and smell the turnovers!
April 9th, 2020 at 2:14 pm
Oh and 80% of the team is black….so I only root for 20% of the team.
Said no one.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:15 pm
Sc Bucs , bird. Sb this one is for you guys.
t’s so sexy if a person speaks a foreign language, instead of knowing he can never do it and become racist.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:18 pm
Chris k
Joe didn’t do it all for the chiefs. 2yrs ? 11-5 and 9-7.
Don’t forget.
Marty
Derrick Thomas
Marcus Allen
Neil Smith.
Don’t talk like one joe person did everything. Which won’t happen. It didn’t happen and won’t happen and it will not happen with us.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:19 pm
Stevek
What you mean by shoes ? You mean joe..
April 9th, 2020 at 2:20 pm
JAMEIS GRIEF TOUR: DAY 24
Still attending: Ndog, Adrnagy, Dapostman, LaMarcus
ADRNAGY, even if Brady doesn’t lead to more wins, then it was *still* the best decision for the team to make Jameis walk the plank. Far better to bring in a young QB prospect that will be playing 4-5 years on a rookie deal, leaving tons of salary cap room to upgrade other areas of the team, rather than paying a Turnover Machine, inconsistent QB one of the highest salaries in the league (which 5+ year QBs command if they are to be resigned.)
Cutting ties with Jameis is a WIN-WIN for the Bucs and their future. You and clowns like Ndog just can’t see it.
NO MATTER WHAT, THE BUCS ALREADY WON BY FIRING JAMEIS OUT OF THE CANNONS IN THE NORTH ENDZONE AND OUT OF TAMPA! Good Riddance!
April 9th, 2020 at 2:28 pm
Joe had 1994 16td -9int and 1993 13td 7int. Wow big TD/int ratio.
Marcus Allen 1994 12td.
The chiefs before joe were 10-6. Not a big deal. Marty was a beast of coach.
Marty. Defense. Allen. Help more the chiefs than Montana. Bono made it happen the following year if I’m not mistaken 13-3 record. 21td 10int. I remember chiefs had a beast of a tackle too.
Same situation here with us. Brady will not do nothing.
April 9th, 2020 at 2:32 pm
Adrnagy/Tmax….. We know the Chiefs had other good players. I SAID what he did for the Chiefs/Organization… You understand Bucs tickets sales are through the roof right? You understand the hottest Jersey being sold right now is a Tom Brady Bucs Jersey right? You understand OUR BUCS (you’re either in or out) are getting national attention every single day now right? Tom Brady without even stepping on the field has already changed the way OUR BUCS (you in or out?) are perceived by EVERY FOOTBALL KNOWLEDGEABLE person in the country! Do you not understand how valuable that is? Now,if you would like to go back to half empty stadiums and listening to jokes about how OUR QB should of won the Defensive PLAYER of the year award, then by all means, keep being a total dunce on this subject!
April 9th, 2020 at 3:02 pm
Adrnagy says “Brady will not do nothing.”
Nice double-negative, jackwagon. Learn the basic rules of grammar.
April 9th, 2020 at 3:29 pm
Brady will be the next joe Montana.
And it’s looking more like it. Season postponed. Brady 45 yrs old.
April 9th, 2020 at 3:33 pm
Ivan you do nothing but lie over and over again. Cause you are a lier!!!!
I like debating and have no problem with those on the other side of an argument but you are liar and make up things which is flat wrong. I have no time for some who doesn’t respect themselves enough to tell the truth on a freaking sports fan blog.
April 9th, 2020 at 3:35 pm
Ivan the dingleberry.look At yourself In the mirror first. Go back and read your long paragraph and correct your own grammar mistakes. Then you can criticize others.
You’re boring. You turn to criticism because your don’t know nothing of football. Very sad.
April 9th, 2020 at 3:54 pm
Adrnagy just called someone ELSE out for grammar.
Hmmm.
April 9th, 2020 at 4:01 pm
Man this if fun watching Ndog1of1 type on his burner the same time he is typing on his own account.
April 9th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
Adam in ny
“the refs usually give or take a game from you every year…
they generally take a game away from the bucs – not any more tho”
Tell me about it. You see that call in the 1999 NFC Championship?
April 9th, 2020 at 4:35 pm
This guy Ardrnagry or whatever the hell that is, said Brady feels the pressure to outperform Jameis. And throw for more yards.
The guy has more rings than this entire franchise has division titles. Pressure? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
April 9th, 2020 at 4:44 pm
Joe, how do I ignore the worthless Winston posters.
It’s a new team and QB and these gutless punks are still whining.
PLEASE LEAVE JERKS!
April 9th, 2020 at 4:48 pm
Adrnagy Says:
April 9th, 2020 at 12:47 pm
Not a big upgrade considering the projection wins with Brady = 9.
Some would argue we win more. I doubt it. Considering this is new territory and challenge for virgin Brady.
No matter how we slice it , jameis production was massive. We will be here talking about the same stuff in a year or two.
Brady is feeling the pressure to outplay jameis =5000 yards 30td.
Two receivers 1000 yds. Pro bowlers. Cam brate two pro bowl season 16’-17’
Anything less is a failure for Brady.
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This garbage is what I am talking about. These Winston lovers are freaking loser dirtbags. NOT true Buc fans. Just leftover fsu trash.
Brady is the GOAT. Period.
April 9th, 2020 at 5:02 pm
You guys don’t know what actual bad quarterbacking looks like.
All you know is what throwing a lot of Interceptions looks like.
Look around the league, there are plenty of QBs who struggle to move the ball and score points against NFL defenses. I’d rather have have a QB like Jameis who throws a bunch of Ints but scores a bunch of points like Jameis does than one who throws 0 ints but can’t move the football.
Some of you guys actually wanted Bridgewater HAHA. The dude mustered up 12 and 13 points last year with the Saints but all you uneducated anti Jameis just look at Wins and Losses! Guess what? Goodluck trying to score 12 points with the pass defense Jameis had throughout his career!!
April 9th, 2020 at 5:04 pm
T REX
You might need Winston/FSU therapy sessions.
April 9th, 2020 at 5:12 pm
T-Rex Mama says T-Rex so angry because he has all those teeth but has no toothbrush..
April 9th, 2020 at 5:16 pm
Sorry T-Rex miss read your post, my bad
April 9th, 2020 at 5:40 pm
Just a rested defense will be worth 2-3 more games. Seeing how our ex-QB actively tried to give away six, we could add a couple, since that won’t happen again.
I would venture 4-5 above last season, but the schedule will be tougher this season, so 3-4. That means a 10 or 11 win season.
April 9th, 2020 at 5:59 pm
Jameis #1 Fan and NDog have something in common and I think all of you know what it is!! They are both IDIOTS
April 9th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
Jameis#1fan Brady threw a 3 to 1 td to interception ratio so if he had thrown the 33 tds Jameis threw it means he would have thrown 11 picks making it 22 less picks thrown. Fewer pick6s as well. The 1st game of the season was lost due to 2 pick6s and the last one, even though given away by the defense was lost on a pick6. Many score killing picks as well as picks giving almost a guaranteed 3 points also would’ve been avoided.
Being a Jameis fan is one thing but being outright blind to facts and common sense is simply ridiculous! All those stats got him nothing but new nicknames and the unemployment line!
April 9th, 2020 at 7:18 pm
Ndog does you should keep in mind minus that stretch where jameis and the Bucs were 5-1. Jameis and the Bucs the rest of the year we’re 2-8. So if you look at every QBs there going to have good stretches. The great ones ha e season long stretches. You know start 4-2 then 3-2 then when it matters go 5-1 to finish the season 12-4. You can look at josh freeman and find a 5-1 stretch. It’s the whole 5 years quit cherry picking. Of course he is going to have stretches of being great. But you and everyone else knows he had stretches of being should be benched awful. It’s like a pitcher he can have a 5-1 stretch and have a 2.3 era. But in his other 15 starts if he is 3-12 with a 5.58 era he isn’t going to be your playoff starter. He is going to be your bullpen long relief guy.
April 9th, 2020 at 7:58 pm
Well considering Gay single handedly lost to games, that means Winston was more like 9-7 last year, and if you take away the screwjob with the refs in Tennessee, he was 10-6. So Brady should have us 12-4.
I’ll take it.
April 9th, 2020 at 8:03 pm
“Marine Buc Says:
April 9th, 2020 at 11:21 am
We lost 6 games by 3 points or less last season. In those games Winston threw 18 interceptions and had several fumbles.”
MIC DROP
April 9th, 2020 at 8:15 pm
Can I ask a simple question?
Does anybody really care about stats in 2020? Yep but only ONE….W’s and L’s.
As the man said you are what your RECORD says you are.
5 years 28-42 must speak pretty loudly to the other NFL teams.
April 9th, 2020 at 8:17 pm
Another question.
If our kicker, whomever he might be…misses 4 attempts and Brady puts up zero points in the second half will we blame the kicker.
Better still if the game ends up tied are we going to blame the kicker or Brady if he opens OT with a pick six?
Just askin’.
April 9th, 2020 at 9:17 pm
stpetebucsfan – Hey stupid, if the kicker misses 3 FGs in a game you lose by 3 points, you going to blame the kicker? How about if the kicker misses a chipshot to the end the game, is that on the kicker?
Be less boring old man.
April 9th, 2020 at 9:21 pm
Stop feeding the trolls
April 9th, 2020 at 9:57 pm
I dont know why you guys keep trying to make this a thing where your either Team Brady or Team Winston.
I think most Winston fans understand that Brady is the better QB. Thats not even a question. Lets not act like your making a hot take when you say Brady > Winston.
My FA QB List was in this order
1. Tom Brady
2. Jameis Winston
3. Philip Rivers
4. Andy Dalton
5. Joe Flacco
6. The ball boy at Bucs games who throws a great spiral, shoutout to him.
7. Teddy Bridgewater.
Goodluck with scoring 15 points a game Panthers!
April 9th, 2020 at 10:19 pm
Saw a funny comment on another major website with a jameis story.
We should have kept jameis as a trick package QB. Put him in the game and the defense would think are next play was an interception and then fool them and run the ball.
April 10th, 2020 at 5:47 am
Just sitting here drinking my coffee, watching a rerun of the Pats & Rams from 2 years ago.
While watching, I’m thinking about the ridiculousness of this ongoing, completely pointless debate over Jameis. We are such sad fans to think of statistics in terms of success. Watching this, watching Brady specifically, just reminds me of how little this region knows WINNING football.
Oh, and in case anyone forgot, Tom Brady is a Buccaneer now. Jameis Winston is not. So please, by all means lets continue kicking this dead horse!
Everything we have talked about previously still applies. Brady is not a magic elixir! We still need a ground game and we need OL improvement. Defensively, we need to build and continue improving. And kicking has always been the bane of Bucs fans existence. These are the ingredients of championship TEAMS. We’ve improved and bolstered several areas and need to continue. Brady is just one piece.
Winning is what this game is about.
April 10th, 2020 at 10:15 am
The bucs have a top 5 defense. Even with the 30 ints. But Winston was not a leader who can fire up both sides like Brady. When you win it Sparks a team. As for the 2 son owners they got Brady for cheap with a bonus of putting people in the seats. For Brady if he delivers you can be sure he will be the greatest QB in NFL history, which is why he chose the bucs.
April 10th, 2020 at 10:53 am
“The bucs have a top 5 defense”
Did you mean offense?
Cause statistically in many categories last season, the Yucs had a bottom 5 defense.
April 10th, 2020 at 10:59 am
People still choosing to ignore how dreadful the Bucs pass defense was for an entire half of a season!! Blows my mind how ignorant some Bucs fans are.
I don’t think any reasonable football person actually thinks the Bucs had a top 15 defense even.
The only people who think we had a good defense are hard core anti Jameis people.
Get out of here with that nonsense.
April 10th, 2020 at 11:29 am
5 long painful years of 1 quarterback who consistently made bad decisions not to mention that same quarterback led in turnovers. What positive has he done in buc nation?? Nothing but bring sexual predator problems with him from college just to continue in N.F.L.. Now we are legitimate contenders for the crown. Hooray to higher ups for making changes. Jameis Winston fans can get together and come up with a go-fund- me page for that unemployed loser.