JPP’s Market, One-Year Deals For Ndamukong Suh And Bruce Arians
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Last week at the NFL Scouting Combine, Joe talked Bucs privately with noted former Jets coach and personnel chief Pat Kirwan, the longtime prime time voice of SiriusXM NFL Radio.
Above is an audio excerpt of the chat. Click on it and listen as you prepare for a new edition of the Ira Kaufman Podcast coming later today. The Sage of Tampa Bay sports is fired up.
Kirwan touches on Jason Pierre-Paul’s market value in free agency, along with Ndamukong Suh’s, and he gets into the future of Bucco Bruce Arians. Always insightful, Kirwan is never boring.
March 4th, 2020 at 9:30 am
We need both
March 4th, 2020 at 9:36 am
Willie McGinesr said on NFL network this morning that JPP wasn’t coming back. Does he know something we don’t know, or was he talking out of his ass? I hope he’s wrong.
March 4th, 2020 at 9:36 am
Yes, both are one year contract guys ,along with drafting their replacements
March 4th, 2020 at 9:37 am
*McGinest
March 4th, 2020 at 9:52 am
“A legitimate thrower”? Yeah ok, not the best choice of words IMO. I’m on the fence with Winston, but I am sick of this narrative being spun that everything is one person’s fault. 1. BA is a this “QB whisperer”, yet all his QBs throw a ton of picks. Now 30 is obviously beyond bad no doubt, but there has to be some accountability on both ends here. The run game was brutal and first 10 games defense was even worse. 2. No excuses, Jameis was awful some games and threw way too many INTs, on the other side he played at an MVP level. My question is how does it happen on opening drives? How can’t the QB and self proclaimed amazing coaching staff not stop this from going on? BA by all accounts is a terrific coach, but there needs to be accountability on the staff and play calling at some point. 3. If this is all pondering and leverage on contracts, it has got to the point where both parties might drive the other away and both need each other IMO. Jamies play is too erratic for a long term deal, but for the media to spin he is a back up at best, isn’t accurate. He has never thrown to wide open WRs, always pushing the ball and taking shots down the field. I think he needs to be smarter and make better decisions, and his ball security is beyond awful and head scratching to say the least. On the other side can the offense not evolve and hlpe out, use what works and take out the plays that are a struggle? 4. Playing through a broken thumb and bust up knee and having both starting WRs out and gut that out, knowing it may hurt his long term future in the NFL and with the bucs has to be a tip of the hat. That is the definition of a real team mate, he played so poorly looking back not the best idea. But is that on the player or the team? I think it the same question that brings us to today, both sides can and need to be better. I support the TEAM no matter who the QB is or the coach is, it just feels like they are taking every opportunity to be petty. How is Carson Palmer they only to point out the learning curve of the offense? I am beyond frustrated with the whole situation, the play of Jameis number 1, but the way the offseason has been unfolding is getting to be a joke at this point. I’m not sure how BA and Licht get a free pass in all of this mess.
March 4th, 2020 at 9:55 am
Need to bring them both back.
March 4th, 2020 at 10:03 am
suh matters jpp does not!!!! you hypocrites that trash jameis character yet give one of the dumbest players in nfl history a free pass is hilarious and so dungy the clownesque
March 4th, 2020 at 10:16 am
If you want them to sign early, you have to give them multiple year deals, as a guaranteed 18 mil over 2, is more valuable than a 1 year deal, and more likely to get a player to sign, JPP might need 3 years, as he is younger.
March 4th, 2020 at 10:29 am
@saskbuco
Not all Arians QBs throw a ton of pics
Arians never called plays for manning
Luck threw 18 his only year with Arians
Big Ben’s highest INT total with Arians 15
Palmer had 22 in his first year
30 is insane
The decision making by Winston this year was bad he’s not getting better
March 4th, 2020 at 11:21 am
@#1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain, I agree 30 is insane and there’s no excuses for that. The point I was trying to make, is both parties are at fault in some regard and it seems all the posturing and door number #2 stuff is getting played out. If your moving on say it, if your trying another year then say that. I understand the due diligence, but they have said their mind is made up. Why over play your hand? They would be 80-90% sure if a better viable option has real interest in coming to TB. The QB has to make a lot of deep throws and get hit a lot to play in BA system, either way bucs need a run game to take pressure off of whoever is playing QB.
Not all Arians QBs throw a ton of picks, and only 1 has thrown for over 5000 yards. 30 picks is brutal and unacceptable, but his average before this year is 14. I think both need each other and I’m trying to look at the glass half full I guess, it’s insane to think can play at lights off MVP level, and XFL/3rd stringer the next….
March 4th, 2020 at 11:46 am
Bucs NEED both JPP & Suh. Sign JPP for 3 years at $13 mil apiece ($20 mil guaranteed) and Suh for 2 years at $10 mil with both years guaranteed. It’s NOT about the money for either of them, but we have to show them some respect.
March 4th, 2020 at 11:50 am
The funny thing is the qb doesn’t have to make a lot of deep throws. The large number of Jameis’s picks come from short to mid range throws not deep passes. That’s on the qb not seeing the field. Can’t blame coaches or scheme but then praise him as qb for 5,000 yards…
Arians has a track record of success in the league
Jameis’s track record is turnovers and losing
Gotta trust Arians knows what he’s doing over an “unknown quantity”
March 4th, 2020 at 11:52 am
once JPP restructured his contract, that was the beginning of the end for the bucs imo….
hope im wrong….
GO BUCS!!!!
March 4th, 2020 at 11:57 am
Do everything possible to keep D intact. Would also like to keep Perriman at a resonable price. Great draft for WR. 1st pick OL (lot of really good ones)
March 4th, 2020 at 3:07 pm
Numbers don’t lie. Manning had 100 Ints in his first 5 years and Jameis had 87 Ints. Both QBs coached by BA. So correct me where I’m wrong but some people wanna say to different era’s so what was different about 1998 and 2015? Only thing I can see is that tackling and use of the head was being enforce. 2015 game was made more for the WRs. Thats it folks. Bottom line BA needs to address the issues from the OL, RB, DL, Safety, Kicker, KR,PR,. None of those areas are addressed this offseason we still 4 to 7 win team regardless who the QB is. Lets not forget after the 2016 season we thought we had a defense and that unit regressed so badly. However I’m not saying 2020 that will happen but I just want enough good depth on the DL and Secondary.
March 4th, 2020 at 3:55 pm
Keep them both jpp and suh have to stay along with shaq!!!! BEST DLINE THIS TEAM HAS HAD IN FOREVER!!!! LET NASSIB WALK AND MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!
March 4th, 2020 at 8:35 pm
I would like to know how in the hell we go from comments about JPP, Suh and Arians to talking about Jameis. Damn, get Jameis out of your mines. If Tampa resigns him so freaking what. The Bucs have started to look like a contender and all I want to see is the winning to continue in 2020. I don’t give a damn if the QB is Bradshaw I just want the Bucs to keep winning