Embarrassing
December 29th, 2019
It doesn’t matter how Jameis Winston found his way to 30 interceptions and an NFL record 7 pick-six throws in one season.
It’s just a downright embarrassing predicament for Bucs fans, all part of an embarrassing finish to the season.
And the game is supposed to be all about the fans, right?
That’s how Joe feels right now: embarrassed. It won’t be fun to wear the ol’ Bucs t-shirt in Publix anytime soon after two consecutive home losses that should have been wins.
The Bucs went out and hired allegedly the NFL’s greatest quarterback guru and he couldn’t make the Buccaneers QB better overall.
The two-time NFL Coach of the Year was supposed to educate his team on the nuances of winning close games. He didn’t get it done.
Things are better than they were this time last year. Absolutely. But the embarrassment factor is very similar.
“We stop ourselves all the time,” said little-used Cameron Brate after the game on the Buccaneers Radio Network.
General manager Jason Licht said before the game that Bruce Arians is a joy to watch in action, “Bruce knows what he wants. He knows what he needs. It’s great to work with a guy like that.”
Joe hopes Licht is right, because the Bucs need just the right changes in personnel that can turn almost winners (aka losers) into winners.
Something just feels off with the mentality of this team. All those slow starts and sour finishes. Embarrassing.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Does this play catapult us into contention to draft Tua?
December 29th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Draft a QB. Tired of this roller coaster show. He will never change. It’s been 5 years. Jameis will always turn it over and it’s a shame because the D played pretty well today.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:43 pm
Can’t pay more than $12 million plus incentives for Jameis next year. Let him test the market.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:43 pm
CALLING NPUPPY AND THE GLASSMAN!!! WHATS THE EXCUSE FOR TODAY? Was it the kickers fault? 3 turnovers that lead to 13 points, 7 of them on another pick 6!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KNOW THE EXCUSES FOR THIS WEEK!!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:44 pm
At least Barrett broke the sack record. Shattered it even.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:44 pm
407 wants to draft a rookie because he wants to stop the roller coaster.
That’s it. That’s my whole comment.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
^^^
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
D keeps getting better. Winston is still Winston. We will never ever make the playoffs with this guy. Cut bait now and use the money to strengthen the oline and defense and find a QB.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Joe as far as I know you should be happy….. we will have a better pick!!
Thats what You always say you play Either for the playoffs or the draft.
So put in your Bucs jersey #3 and go to publix and see if you can get a new “entreteiment “ QB
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Truly pathetic.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
If we could only find a consistent kicker…
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
Having Jameis on your team is Embarrassing enough
December 29th, 2019 at 4:45 pm
His very 1st pass as a Buc was pick 6 so if his last as a Buc is a pick 6 that will perfectly bookend his career as a Buc!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
Sameis Jameis…….simple as that
December 29th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
JoetheWinstonApologist will be back with his excuses shortly.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
Draft a q.b. and sign a veteran. Keeping Jameis means we’re just going to waste more years.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
Bruce Arians didn’t throw the overtime pick 6 his 30th interception of the year. that is embarrassing every other metric be damned 30 INTERCEPTIONS CANNOT HAPPEN but the joes will down play it for their guy
December 29th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Come on Guys, Yes, Jameis contributed to this loss greatly. But..he had an accomplice in this one. I mean 3 missed field goals with 2 of them being almost chip shots? Unforgiveable. ATL made all of theirs now didn’t they? My wife predicted the OT score when Jameis went back to throw. She said, Watch them pick him off. Bingo,,winner/Winner chicken Dinner. So in this game it was not all Jameis fault. So before you tie jameis to the Whipping post…Tie down his accomplice double.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
This disaster is just beginning!!! It’s past time to evaluate JW and his talent and potential they have now taken a back seat.
The psychology is now overwhelming and JW will be the most divisive player this franchise has ever seen. Can you imagine how bad it’s going to get after this?
Now factor this possibility….JW and his agent get into a pissssing war with Licht over a new contract. He might as well leave town because if JW holds up the Bucs I’d rather take my chances on ANY QB than JW.
And when you are talking 30 million and what has already been spent…YES JW DOES OWE US ALL. He perhaps can’t help that his decision making sucks…see AZ adventure…and seven pick sixes just this season…or that he doesn’t really see the field well…hence the picks and open targets running unnoticed.
None of that means anything anymore. Right or wrong these last two games have cemented JW’s rep in Tampa.
His very presence has become anathema to a significant portion of the fans. If he adds the perception of greed on top of failure it’s going to get UGLY!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
I have no words.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Jason Licht has to go
I cannot believe the Galzers gave him an extension
What doesn’t feel right is Winston
No teammate can defend him giving away or losing games for this Franchise
December 29th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
JAMEIS WINSTON SUCKS OUT LOUD!
DITCH THAT LOSER!
WE WILL NEVER WIN ANYTHING WITH JAMEIS “PICK 6” WINSTON AT QB!
I AM NOT WORRIED THAT HE GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE. HE ISN’T WINNING ANYTHING. HE SUCKS!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
We need to draft a QB and spend as little money franchising Winston as possible. Far to much talent on this team to let him ruin it
December 29th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
Most of the team played like winners.I feel like getting rid of a kicker and a quarterback and I feel like crap.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:49 pm
GhostofSchiano Says:
December 29th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
This game ends like the first game began….a jameis pick six.
What a season
…….
Ouch!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:49 pm
How’d Tom Brady look today?
December 29th, 2019 at 4:49 pm
Ready for a new QB and kicker and GM.
Cool with just a new QB next year. Can’t pay big money for all the turnovers. Most pick sixes in a season, ever, and the first 30/30 QB!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
It isn’t embarrassing if you fully expect the outcome.
Jameis ” meaningless stats ” Winston America’s QB Mr excrement, 30-30 man is extremely consistent.
Shouldn’t be embarrassed you should be relieved that everything happened the way it should.
And we are keeping Winston
Another year to show everyone that he isn’t consistent.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
Kicker makes one field goal and we win.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
If BA, Tom Moore and Clyde Christianson can’t fix JayMiss, he can’t be fixed.
To “invest” another year at $27 – 30M in this guy is moronic
Time to cut losses and move on from this dumpster fire.
Peace, out.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
That’s the nail for Jameis right there and a fitting end to what could been an awesome season if he could have kept his s*** together. There’s no way in hell Jason Licht can sell to all us Bucs fans that Jameis deserves the 27 mil he would get with a franchise tag the guy just lead the league in Interceptions and it wasn’t even close and it’s the most interceptions in a season in the last 35 years. Jameis has talent I won’t deny that from the kid but at the same time you can’t turn the ball over like that and think your a winner. It’s time to move on and get a fresh face that Arians can groom from the beginning.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
Joe, if you’re pinning your hopes on Jason Licht being right about anything, you’ll continue to be disappointed. The guy’s a total tool. Only people dumber in the organization are the Glazers, and Jameis. Try this monkier Joe, America’s pick six!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
This team is never prepared, not sure how so many are sold on Arians. If he can’t deal with a new q.b. he needs to go.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
There is no way…..absolutely no way you can give JW a long-term contract….
If we can get a decent vet QB……and perhaps draft one with potential in the mid rounds….I’d be OK with that….I’d also be OK with a 1 year non exclusive franchise tag…..I don’t think any team will pay him more than that….
December 29th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
We all knew it was coming. Ugh
December 29th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
Is there a president for a QB literally throwing away wins to get rewarded with a new contract?
7 pick sixes is 49 points for the other teams.
The bucs lost by a combined 63 points in every losing game combined.
His pick sixs are literally nearly all the points they lost by…..
Just think about that. Just removing the pick sixs and doing nothing else this team might be in the playoffs..
You want to give that a contract?
December 29th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
Really Joe?
“The Bucs went out and hired allegedly the NFL’s greatest quarterback guru and he couldn’t make the Buccaneers QB better overall.”
Do you REALLY think that can be coached out of him? Still ??? After having inside access for the last 6 yrs involving Jameis????
You can’t change DNA.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
Jameis “2020 Mvp candidate” Winston.
Episode VI: Return of the Jameis.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
RYAN FITZPATRICK BEAT THE PATRIOTS!!!!!!!
…..and that’s all you need to know
December 29th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Congrats to the founding father of the 30/30 club. I tip my hat to Sameis Jameis! Thanks for making the off season easier to navigate for Buc brass.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
It is amazing though.
You can’t script a more fitting roller coaster of futility for the season.
– 5,000 yard passer
– 18.5 sacks from a Bucs DE/OLB
– Horrific kicking game
– Losing all momentum in the 2nd half with the defense hanging on for dear life
– A 5th Quarter just to get ONE MORE pick-6 on the books
– Another home loss to a s*** team (yeah the Falcons suck)
– 7-9 record
– Several question marks heading into 2020
IT’S A BUCS LIFE INDEED!!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
Maybe the price for Winston went down after this game. I still think we could let Winston walk, trade Evans, move up in the draft for a qb. Hell, after watching Burrows yesterday, I’d trade 3-4 1st rounders for him.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
In the mind of a Bucs fan, president is the same word as precedent. It’s no wonder these idiots want to get rid of a 25 year old QB who just threw for 5,000+ yards and 33 Touchdowns.
Fools! The lot of them!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
‘Jameis Winston America’s Pick 6 Quarterback’
December 29th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
Any reason why my posts are being moderated and disappear?
December 29th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
BA- said “there are no losers in this locker room. He was wrong, there are 2 both Licht draft picks. Wiston and Gay.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
If they resign Perriman and then with Evans and Godwin back trade for David Carr and he will break Winstons td record in his first year in Arians offense.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Very fitting that the Bucs season end on that interception….represents the season as a whole. In a mini interview with Arians in the locker room it sounded as if Jameis will not get a long term contract and quiet possibly even a franchise tag. Of course that’s only my interpretation
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Elliot- my guess- you are telling the truth which is not always welcome here.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Musberger was quoted wrong: He said “Mr. Embarrassment.”
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
At this point, I would welcome Cam Newton and a 3rd round rookie for next season provided he passes a physical… We are a veteran QB and a couple more running backs away from postseason play. A healthy Cam can get us wins where Winston lost us games.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
I dont care if Winston wants to play for free, I dont want him on the field leading my team. He is an embarrassment. He is a mistake prone QB. He’s no better at leading comebacks than he is at keeping a lead and getting 1st downs at the end of a game.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Yeah, I can’t put this all on Jameis, while it is appropriate in it’s ending.
This is what I’m talking about when I say we never get the whole team playing well in the same game.
Run-game- CHECK!
Defense- CHECK!
Offense- MAYBE!
Kicking- FAIL!
In the end, the guy we needed to step up got the ball in his hands. Whether you say we shouldn’t have been there or not, our QB failed in the most important moment of the game.
5,000 yards…..woo-hoo!
30 picks…..ahem!
It’s a Bucs-fan life!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
At this point, I feel you tag Winston for this year and see how it goes. Unless he’s willing to be paid around the 25-28 million per yr. I can’t justify spending over 30 million a yr on him at this point. Theres obvious talent there but the turnovers are extremely concerning.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
I am still laughing I thought the 30 ints 30 tds was safe with a minute to go. Then I thought he might have OT and he did and got his 30 ints on the last play of the year and set a record for most pick sixes since 1950. Sad I really don’t know the answer the qb free agents are not that great and with our draft pick in the middle of the first round who do you pick.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
@BrianBucs
Yes sir, as soon as we won the overtime toss and elected to receive I said a pick six was coming
December 29th, 2019 at 4:56 pm
Do we now own the 12th pick?
December 29th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Man all you cats talking about the Kicker you are right. He shot us in the foot on two FGs and Pinion with a bad hold on the second one.
HOWEVER!!!!
A true Franchise QB forgets about all of that and Wins in OT. Not throws a Pick 6 on his first drive.
The DEFENSE worked HARD !! Flippin HARD for this win.
Nuf said
December 29th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Weather you are a Jameis homer or a Jameis hater, I bet most were thinking a possible pick six on that last drive was likely.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
@SB well said you are 100% correct.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
I called it just before the snap…anyone who has watched Bucs games knew what was about to happen! See what happens when we do get the ball first in OT?!?! We lose no matter what…
December 29th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
Winston is not a winner. Winners do what Rodgers did in Detroit today. Losers do what Winston did in Tampa. It’s really pretty simple.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Did you all boo him on the way to these locker room???
December 29th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
The game was tied. We got the ball first. The franchise QB killed the team. Simple as that.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
You don’t give Jameis more dough. Plus, get over all the Arians worship. He’s sorta stupid. We need O and D linemen in the draft. Bright spot is the defense and our punter–that guy is killer!!
December 29th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
damn right its embarrassing I just don’t think the Bucs can stay with Jameis and win in the NFL teams are feasting on Jameis on his bad choices teams come into Bucs games saying they know he’s gonna turn the ball over. the point is its got to be a mental issue 5 years of the same sh.. with no improvement what other choice do the Bucs have but to move on I think they will tag him to get just enough time to develop a draft pick or to make a trade and let that trade get acclimated to the offensive and then I think Arians has and will move on
December 29th, 2019 at 5:03 pm
Sorry, but anyone who thinks that even Ryan Tanahill could have won this game……… The Incredible Circus catch Perriman made in the Endzone was a Prayer throw by JW and only Perrimans athletics made that play. It was a bad decision we got lucky on again. All in All Jameis had a great run game to supporth him. Ronald Jones is currently the number one RB in yards today. The Defense ABSOLUTELY BALLED OUT.
Excuses?
December 29th, 2019 at 5:03 pm
And what was Millen’s statement about the pick? “Jameis was staring down his WR.”
Oooops!
December 29th, 2019 at 5:05 pm
LOL Heargraves gets torched again.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:05 pm
To add insult to injury – we scored 0 in the second half.
Kicking is not the only way to score points!
December 29th, 2019 at 5:06 pm
Lol. If the kicker makes 9 pts. Jameis wouldn’t have the pick 6. If the kicker makes the 9pts no OT
With all the garbage plays from Bucs. Jameis kill it at the end.
The defense didnt stop the falcons in the second half. While the Bucs were celebrating the sack record the falcons were focus and ready.
RB fumble ?
Oline/ O.J. penalties. ?
Bottom line mister SB … take jameis out. The Bucs are still a bad team. Coaching hasn’t cleaned up anything.
SB Says:
December 29th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
Man all you cats talking about the Kicker you are right. He shot us in the foot on two FGs and Pinion with a bad hold on the second one.
HOWEVER!!!!
A true Franchise QB forgets about all of that and Wins in OT. Not throws a Pick 6 on his first drive.
The DEFENSE worked HARD !! Flippin HARD for this win.
Nuf said
December 29th, 2019 at 5:06 pm
HERE COMES THE VAUNTED WINSTON DEFENSE FORCE.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Two face fans are out …. watch out.
Tampabuscsbro Says:
December 29th, 2019 at 5:06 pm
HERE COMES THE VAUNTED WINSTON DEFENSE FORCE.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
For those who want to blame the Kicker and not the QB just remember if Matt Ryan throws the ball a half second sooner the 7 points Fumble is erased and probably another 3 or 7 for Atlanta.
What matters is how does your leader perform over 16 games when it counts the most?
Lets move on, trade up or trade for a Caliber QB. We are loaded with talent on this team
December 29th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
I missed the losing play. Licht playing the butter up the coach admiration extension is laughable. Two peas in a pod.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Not understanding your post Adrnagy
Was it aimed at me ?
December 29th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
SB you said it best. No excuses, no hyperbole, no name calling. Another Winston problem is he might have amnesia after he throws a pick he forgets how and why he threw it in the first place. He doesn’t learn from his mistakes. With this offense and defense we need a qb who will protect the ball, win close games, win from behind and put the team on his back all which Winston can’t do.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Anyone seen my Npuppy? I lost him. He ran away from home! COMING SOON… LOST PUPPY POSTERS.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Thank you David
I have supported him all along. Fervently even. I gave him this yr to win me over just as he had this yr to win the Team/Ownership over. I have not much to say right now. Just flabbergasted.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
Arians IS a great coach. Bowles IS a great defensive coordinator. You simply can not win turning the ball over as much as Winston does. That’s a statistical fact that we see over and over and over. 5 yrs of data is an accurate reflection of what you have in Winston…you drop him back 30+ times…he’s going to give the ball away 2x. 40+ times. Somehow the Bucs will have to keep the defense together AND now find a legit RB to limit Winston’s touches. That’s the only way you reduce his turnovers….less is more.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
Franchise Jameis, draft a QB early. Sigh. Gees I’m flip flopping worse than a democrat.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
LOLOL Aerofaerospace
December 29th, 2019 at 5:14 pm
Jameis is Our Qb, and you so called experts, can’t do anything about it! LMAO!!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 5:16 pm
F@ck off Jamie Apologist yes jamie
December 29th, 2019 at 5:17 pm
If the Bucs sign Jameis to anything I will start organizing a boycott.
The game was a total waste, as far as QBs went. We got to see Jameis at his worst and still don’t have any kind of an evaluation of Griffin in a real game.
This was the abject lesson all of us Jameis distrusters were warning about. This is the sixth game of this season that Jameis directly lost for us. You can’t go anywhere with something like that. Just spinning your wheels.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
Crazy thing is 30 int’s is even a Bucs record. Vinny had 35
December 29th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
All in all the Season is over. The things we as fans should be optimistic about is our Young Secondary. Not one player back there is over 23! Dean is tied for the lead in Passes defended with less than half the snaps of the leader!
Davis is only three passes defended behind him.
Bunting is tied for the lead amongst Rookie CBs with way less snaps than the leader.
LB is Totally shored up.
If we can keep the DL core in tact then we are gonna be looking at a Great D nest yr.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
Actually heavy, there is a chance you’ve seen the last of Winston in a Bucs uniform. He’s not signed for next season so no, he’s not our qb of the future as of yet.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Sorry…….for Bunting I forgot to type ‘in interceptions’
December 29th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Cam Brate should keep his mouth closed. Dude dropped a soft pass last week that ruined us and did nothing to rip that ball down in OT knowing the defender was right there. OJ has been disappointing this year but he has way more of a ceiling than 7 million dollar Brate.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
SIGN MINCHEW!
December 29th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Something about his press conference today he was patting himself on the back. Saying if he cleans up the turnovers he’s going to be the best really? He has had 5 years to prove he’s not America’s Favorite Turnover Machine and this year was even worse. The D have playing better each week that front 4 was nasty. LBs holding there own and CBs showed some growth. Winston has shown he can “ball” but he hasn’t shown any sustainable changes. Every year I need to get better but he never cleans up the most important part the turnovers and bad reads. Beef up that o line add some role players on D and sign a QB that will protect the ball. It’s hard win when so much is spent on one player who isn’t a game changer in the good way.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:24 pm
Aceofaerospace Says:
Franchise Jameis, draft a QB early. Sigh. Gees I’m flip flopping worse than a democrat.
Hahaha. I know. I’ve already flip flopped like 5 times on Jameis. Now, I’m of the mindset to do everything in our power to sign Barrett and Franchise Jameis. I would love to draft a QB also but I just can’t see Arians spending a pick on a QB when it could be someone he will actually utilize.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
Jay-Miss simply does not see the field well enough consistently to lead this team to playoff wins. How fitting the last pass of his rookie contract ended with a pick 6.
December 29th, 2019 at 5:26 pm
Yeah cmurda. Main reason I think we keep JW is Arians doesn’t want to break in a new QB. Lack of ME and CG will allow him to keep JW
December 29th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
LOST PUPPY!!! HAVE YOU SEEN HER?
December 29th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
Craig is going to organize a boycott!
Lmao.
#stillthestupiestfanbase
December 29th, 2019 at 5:45 pm
i have seen enough of sameis jameis
December 29th, 2019 at 5:46 pm
First pass as a Buc = pick 6
Last pass as a Buc = pick 6
Sameis Jameis….
December 29th, 2019 at 5:54 pm
We’ve changed coaches and the supporting cast of players enough times to know Winston isn’t the answer. Sorry to all the FSU fans out there you need to accept it.
December 29th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
Pugs you can’t keep doing the same thing expecting a diff result.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:03 pm
Joe says:
Something just feels off with the mentality of this team. All those slow starts and sour finishes. Embarrassing.
Of course it is embarassing and slow starts are related to pick sixes and interceptions. Yet Joe (Lee) you still want to keep Winston as Bucs QB because he has 5000+ yards on the year. Those yards lead to alot of excitement but not alot wins, our better defense got us a higher win tally than during the Koetter years. The offense is not winning us the games and it is because of Winston’s int’s and our field goal kicker.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
There are moments to be seized in sports competition.
The game is on the line…it’s down to decision time and somebody needs to step up and make some plays.
That somebody is supposed to be the QB. When a QB wins a coin toss to start OT if he is a true Champion his team scores and wins. It is as simple as that. It’s when the game is on the line that the results stand out. Gay’s miss against the Giants was a game coster…it was on the line…it was never on the line when he kicked today…if JW had moved the ball in OT the kicker MAY have redeemed himself with a game winner.
When we won the toss….this was JW’s time to shine or suck there really wasn’t an in between and JW didn’t disappoint with any middle of the road stuff…oh no just end it on a pick six.
Pretty clear verdict on greatness or the lack thereof.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Posey99–I am a FSU alumni and it is thx to Jameis I am a Bucs fan. I am ready for the Bucs to get a new quarterback! I have seen enough! There has to be a better option out there for us than jameis Winston! We cannot afford him and we can’t even get a whiff of the playoffs with this kid.