Don’t #BlameJameis

November 4th, 2019

Secondary not fixed.

Funny how people can’t see the forest for the trees.

Joe often spars with internationally popular JoeBucsFan.com columnist Ira Kaufman about America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, during episodes of the “Ira Kaufman Podcast.”

Ira is done with Jameis. Wants to get rid of him mainly because Jameis can’t win games. Joe beats the table that no quarterback could win games with this putrid pass defense, not on its third straight season of scorched earth among Bucs fandom.

Joe also points out — something both former Bucs coach Dirk Koetter and Bucco Bruce Arians have harped on — that Jameis tries to be Superman all the time.

Well, you would too if you felt that you had to (in the words of Barry Switzer) hang half-a-hundred on your opponent each week to win.

It’s like Big XII football.

Joe maintains no quarterback could consistently win with this horrid pass defense. And Greg Auman of TheAthletic brings a fact to the discussion that shows how awfully Jameis is painted into a corner by the miserable pass defense.

What infuriates Joe to no end and also makes him depressed is Jason Pierre-Paul’s return has turned the defense into a ferocious unit in getting after the quarterback. We all know how good the team is against the run. Elite.

And yet still the Bucs cannot stop the pass even though they know it’s coming. It’s is simply outrageous how bad this secondary is.

Yeah, Jameis’ turnovers are a problem. He played fine yesterday. He just had to play perfect to give his team a chance to win and he made one bad goof. One!

Think about that: Your quarterback has to play perfect to have a chance to win. That’s how bad this pass defense is.

It’s truly shameful.

Yeah, earlier this year Bucco Bruce Arians claimed the secondary was “totally fixed.”

What people didn’t know at the time is that Arians meant “neutered.”

But don’t worry. Andy Dalton will make it all better.

102 Responses to “Don’t #BlameJameis”

  1. DooshLaRue Says:

    Nobody wants Dalton here Joe.
    Yes our secondary sucks right now, but Jamies just doesn’t have the consistency it takes to lead this team.

    It’s still time to move on from the Soiled Messiah.

  2. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Blame Jameis for the San Fran, Saints, Titans and Panther losses but not this one.

    The team can’t put it all together. Can’t be this bad drafting and expect improvements

  3. mike Says:

    I thought the D played OK. A few big plays were all Russell, damn he’s good. Dean shouldn’t have been on the field but I guess we had no choice. Not sure why we think the secondary should be good with mostly rookies back there. Plenty of cbs availible this past April and a few before the trade deadline… that’s all on Lict.
    Jameis played good, too bad he has never put together more than a few good games in a row.

  4. Jpayne Says:

    In case you missed it, the fumble was actually knocked (bumped) out of Jameis’s hand by OL.

  5. mike Says:

    Andy Dalton… NO THANKS… We already have a QB that can’t overcome any roster deficiancy. Dalton could be a good qb with a great line, good weapons, a good run game and a really good D, Just like #3. Plus he still wants 20 plus million. You have to be kidding

  6. AwShbucs Says:

    We got murdered on crossing routes and double moves all day long. Dean is no where near as fast as his 40 time and got abused by locket and metcalf.

    The D has a long way to go.. I’d say tank the sean but with Licht making the picks it doesn’t matter anyway.

  7. Casual Observer Says:

    Make America’s Quarterback Great Again!

  8. PhillyBuc Says:

    Can we stop the talk about our Elite run defense? Why would any opponent bother to run when we will generously give up the most passing yards? This team is only a couple of plays away from being 0-8. Please fire Jason today

  9. 813bucboi Says:

    I agree with ira….

    JW has to go…

    The excuses never end with him….lol…

    GO BUCS

  10. BucDan Says:

    Winston played really well yesterday and only hurt by the D. Smith induced fumble. His 20 yard TD scramble that was called back was a thing of beauty. He even threw the ball in the dirt 3 or 4 times when there was nowhere to go (like a true 5th year vet should). I have no qualms with Jameis after that game.

    Holy $&@“ our secondary is absolutely garbage. Every team that we have played during this four-game skid has brutalized us with crossers and drags. DBs are playing on the line, but I haven’t seen one try to put hands on the opposing WRs to throw them off a route or screw with timing. It is astounding to me how we could draft so many DBs in early rounds and NOT ONE shows up on film. Just looks like lots of out of position play going on. Teams are stealing our cookies here.

    Rookie Devin White showed out big in the last two games. Three forced fumbles and has been all over the field (in a positive way)! While we go the second fumble yesterday, once again the refs blew the whistle early to negate a return attempt. Whitehead also played decent but he made me scratch my head and call out to the tv on both major plays to the Seahawks (third string??) TE. To allow that final play in OT without being aware of the coverage that you’re running and give that much free space. Disheartening.

    Final say: is there any depth at WR???? What happened to Justin Watson? Why are we not leveraging Miller’s speed in bubble screens and drag routes? The little man gets bumped once and his speed goes out the window and there is no jump ball dynamic with him, so his route tree is even more limited than what he’s capable of.

    2-6 is rough. I’ll see if I can make it out to Tampa this weekend and help will the team to a W. Hopefully somebody can cover.

  11. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    My question to Todd Bowles would be……why did you opt for Dean instead of Ryan Smith?

    And, no….this wasn’t Jameis’ fault (this time)…..

    We lost the coin toss & that likely lost the game.

    I am starting to believe that Arians is headed toward keeping Jameis…..but Jameis would have to agree to a team-friendly deal.

    I seriously don’t think he would get starter money and start for any other team.

    Teams needing QBs this year….Miami, Cinn, Wash….will have top draft picks.

  12. tmaxcon Says:

    it’s going to be fun to watch jameis succeed outside of the black hole that is tampa bay buccaneer football. Watching the anti jameis haters meltdown non stop is almost as fun as watching optimists get their noses rubbed in dog crap by glazers every year with their false hope and delusions of butterflies and unicorns…. it’s the same old bucs they have been losing games like this since 76…. outside of sapp and grudens glory year this team has never contended consistently so I am very confused by people think that will change…. glazers don’t have to field a winner because they have trained low standard bucfan to feel good about moral victories, accept excuses and losing with a smile….

    this is fun though… once again, I have perfectly predicted another bucs season of failures…. it’s so easy when you use your head instead of meaningless feelings.

  13. Steven007 Says:

    Well I guess we all saw how much better Carlton Davis is than the next guy up. Dean is a rook with zero experience. Unfortunately that led directly to a Bucs loss. Simple as that.

  14. Jeff Says:

    Blame Jason Light for drafting so poorly. Completely clueless

  15. Steven007 Says:

    Tampa, I’d also like to know the reason why you’d opt for Dean over Smith.

  16. Bucsfanman Says:

    “Joe maintains no quarterback could consistently win with this horrid pass defense.”

    Especially an inconsistent, turnover-prone QB at that! Don’t act like he plays this clean all the time.

  17. tmaxcon Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 8:15 am

    I agree with ira….

    JW has to go…

    The excuses never end with him….lol…

    really dude what about the non stop excuses you make for the midget who once again spent all day chasing receivers and looking like an out of place boy playing against men. you might be as big of a hypocrite as that bum dungy the clown with statements like that….

  18. SteveK Says:

    Who is accountable on this team?

    Jameis played well yesterday.

    Licht can’t draft. He continues to pick DBs and they don’t play well. Did we pass on Greedy Williams for some of these jokers?

    When does Jason Licht get held accountable for providing us with an inferior roster?

    So damn tired of watching Licht blow

  19. JP_09 Says:

    Near sighted arguments here. Yes, yesterday was not Jamies’s fault, but as loyal stated those other four games are. I don’t want to here it’s the receivers fault either, you have two of the top 6 receivers in the league so when you decide to throw to Barber, Perriman, Miller and Dare that is the QB’s fault. Like I said if Winston can play the rest of the season like he did yesterday (against a D that has struggled this season) the you can sign him to a one year 15 million dollar contract and bring in another QB for competition

  20. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Joe, this is absolutely NOT an exoneration of America’s Grop…..err, Quarterback. His history is cast in stone, and cannot be overlooked because of one half-assed game. And you KNOW another terd is coming from Winston…you just know it.

  21. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Good. Jameis had a good game. Let’s see what he does next week. Then the next. The only thing he’s consistent with is inconsistency.

  22. John Says:

    If you think the pass rush is ferocious you should stop looking at the stat sheet after the game and actually pay attention to how often there is no pressure on the opposing qb. Them boys are ferocious on paper that’s about it.

  23. Jim Says:

    Uh,..nobody is blaming Jameis for yesterday’s loss. But then a recent post said his people are talking $35 million/year. Anybody going for that? I’m with Ira: Time to start looking at some alternative QB solutions. Well past time…

  24. Hodad Says:

    Can’t blame Jameis for this loss, but we also can’t credit him for many wins the last five years can we Joe? That’s the sad reality, he’s not a winner. Great freshman year in college, good second year until he gave away the championship game that year. Since becoming a pro he’s given away more games then he’s won, that’s a fact Joe. Put’s up a lot of good numbers including most give aways since he’s been in the league, that’s a fact, and a major reason we keep losing.

  25. Wesley Says:

    Blame Licht for our secondary talent.

  26. Deez days Says:

    Joe nobody gives a F*%^ about jameis … Bucs need to keep Evans Godwin Barrett vea and gut the rest of the team … the rest of the players are garbage

  27. Doctor Stroud Says:

    Inconsistent, turnover prone QB who flashes AND a secondary that is not fixed. Both can be true.

  28. tmaxcon Says:

    jameis haters refuse to admit that jameis has never had a decent oline not even a competent oline nor has he ever had a consistent nfl running game… take your doug martin garbage and flush it down the sewer with martin himself…. martin was a worthless punk by time jameis was drafted more concerned with the next party than winning. there is NOT a single offensive lineman on this roster who starts on ANY other team PERIOD… Marpet sucks being the best turd in the toilet does not make him good… he get’s ragged dolled all game long… Tampa failed jameis — jameis did not fail tampa…. licht and the glazers never gave the young man a chance…. all the glamour and bs about weapons for winston and elite receivers and te is all meaningless bull$!T when your oline could not compete against a special Olympics team. at the end of the day the receivers are good not elite and the te are mediocre fragile soft bums and the oline sucks but it’s all on 25 year old jameis that a franchise is garbage year in and year out…. lol bucfan truly the dumbest species of fan…. bucs mastered the art of losing badly and making excuses long before young jameis was born….

  29. Marine Buc Says:

    Winston has one of his best games yesterday. I would like to see him have 9 more good games in a row before I get too excited. History shows Winston likes to throw 4 picks after he has one solid game.

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    Doctor Stroud Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 8:31 am

    Inconsistent, turnover prone QB who flashes AND a secondary that is not fixed. Both can be true.

    this franchise has never been consistent and never will…..

  31. Pete I Says:

    Jameis “meaningless stats” Winston America’s QB played well yesterday.

    He does that. Plays a great game, then an OK game, then a meh game then a horrible game. Like the cycle of the moon!

    That said yesterday added a loss and a turnover to his already luster less career.

    23-39 and how many turnovers? 11 this year alone!

    At some point it doesn’t matter any more what are the causes, the narrative is made.

  32. Danr Says:

    The other qb played perfect. You have to play at least that well to beat him.

  33. Eric Says:

    These people have no clue look at the clown in Chicago he is killing that team and everyone thinks just because you draft a qb high he going to play well wake up this team have 99 problems but you pee wee football hero’s who don’t have a clue!

  34. zzbuc Says:

    Joe, with all due respect…..Its not the the pass defense or the QB….is both. Why one or the other? Is a combination of situations. You also have to add, very poor drafts ( with exceptions),very poor open market decisions (with exceptions)….And there you have the results. Is a combination of things, where the QB the coaching the defense and mainly the GM and owners are responsible for……If we want to turn around things we have to get rid of polarizations…..

  35. ClodHopper Says:

    I’m ready to move on from Jameis, but I don’t blame him yesterday. He played just fine. That don’t mean he’s a good QB. If only he played fine all the time. His only consistency is his inconsistency

  36. D-Rome Says:

    Joe beats the table that no quarterback could win games with this putrid pass defense, not on its third straight season of scorched earth among Bucs fandom.

    Um, not sure if you watched that game yesterday but Seattle also has a putrid pass defense and a sub-par pass rush.

    Russell Wilson finds a way to win football games and he is the reason why that team is 7-2. Wilson doesn’t turn the ball over and the most INTs he’s had in a single season is 11.

  37. Matthew Fifer Says:

    @ Jim

    I saw that BS too. I don’t think Jameis is very smart….if he would take $35M in Peso’s or Yen…..that would be a steal!

    If he is going to be on this team next year, it has to be for 1 year at a low cost. If he gets big money/multiple years, my continued support of this team will be over until he’s gone. I don’t care if the team somehow became good. I don’t like Winston one bit, I’ll tolerate his inconsistency for no more than 24 more games.

    Ideally though, he’s gone after this year.

  38. Capt. Tim Says:

    Some of you dont get it

    Russell Wilson’s defense was pretty bad today. They gave up 34 points!
    So Wilson scored 41- with far less offensive weapons than Jameis.

    A good QB overcomes problems. Bad QB’s use them as excuses to lose.
    If Mike Evans wasn’t an unstoppable player- with an incredibly large target area, Jameis’ completion rate would be about half of what it is.
    Mike Evans has made a career out of bailing out inaccurate, bad QBs.
    First Johnny Mansel, Now Jameis
    Imagine what he would do with a good QB

  39. geno711 Says:

    I am ready to move on from Jameis but not because of yesterday.
    He played well.
    Remember though that Seattle DB’s gave up 460 yards the week before the Atlanta’s backup quarterback.

    Matt Schaub and Jameis Winston had essentially the same passer rating against Seattle 109.6 v 111.6.

    Seattle probably every bit as bad at stopping the pass as the Buc’s. The only reason they do not give up as many passing yards per game is that it is easier to run against Seattle.

  40. HomerSimpsonRocks Says:

    Literally there are headlines today reassuring people (reassuring the team and Jameis?) that in last nights’ loss “Jameis played well”. A venerable beat writer even said “Jameis went toe-to-toe” with Wilson”. Um. Wilson had 5 TDS and zero picks. Winston had 2 TDS and a fumble “BUT IT WASNT HIS FAILT!” The defenders yell. That isn’t “toe-to-toe” Winston has had the longest leash, the most excuses made for him and is still what’s he’s been for 5 years: inconsistent and unreliable, prone to stupid decisions in and off the field. Enough already. I hope the owners and Licht have the sense to move on from this experiment in the off season, but I have a feeling they won’t.

  41. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    Score of games this week:
    * SF 28 vs ARI 25
    * HOU 26 vs JAX 3
    * CAR 30 vs TEN 20
    * PIT 26 vs IND 24
    * PHI 22 vs CHI 14
    * MIA 26 vs NYJ 18
    * KC 26 vs MINN 23
    * BUF 24 vs WAS 9
    * OAK 31 vs DET 24
    * LAC 26 vs GB 11
    * DEN 24 vs CLE 19
    * BAL 37 vs NE 20

    See a trend? There are two. The most points scored by a losing team was 25. Even the bad secondary of Chucky’s Raiders only allowed a decent DET team to score 24. On top of that, the 34 points the Bucs scored was second most this week and, as already pointed out, would have won every game.

    But of course, lets #BlameJameis. No, its not the HORRID talent evaluation and personnel decisions by Licht/BA. This team is just plain BAD; not mediocre and playing bad as someone suggested. JUST PLAIN BAD

  42. SB Says:

    WHY is there no article yet on how many yards and points Jamal Dean gave up?
    Oh you are probably still counting them up.
    I pretty much lost all faith in Bowles for not replacing him

  43. SteelStudBuc Says:

    So many of u guys crying… the tears flow win or lose
    Dalton, Jameis, Fitzpatrick, Glennon, Freeman…. doesn’t matter… still crying all day every day whhaaaaaaa big babies

  44. geno711 Says:

    I am ready to dare us to get a better qb than Jameis Winston.
    Why not.

    To D-Rome – I agree and by the way, Seattle offensive line is no better than the Buc’s either.

  45. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Nope not “blaming Jameis”…however this is the NFL and he is a 5th year QB and single handily missed enough throws to have had a poor game…even though he looked better than he has….QB is still a major issue with these loses…we’ll know by the end of the season

  46. geno711 Says:

    @SB – Dean looks lost sometime but remember last year there were plenty of fans ready to give up on Vita Vea and Rojo.

    I am glad the Bucs are giving up on MJ Stewart but no way on Dean. I see some good in that kid. He actually had 3 or 4 PD yesterday too.

  47. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Seahawks #47 pick Marquis Blair (safety) was taken 8 picks after Bunting…Jason Lite

  48. Tye Says:

    The Bucs would just be FAR better without JW…
    The best, most recent example is the Panthers game… 1st play of the game, no real pressure from the defense, not frustrated from previous plays or recent sales (1st play of the game), W throws right to the defender… Later on in the game he fumbles but luckily gets it back justo fumble it away the very next play… If that was just 1 game then ok but it is common with him ever 2-4 games… NO team needs that…

    The game yesterday went well which he usually does very few games a year.. He is NOT consistent enough to be a starts for anyone… Since he only plays well a few games a year, that shows he could make a decent QB if only counted on a few times a year..

    If they resign him, i would not be shocked if the stadium only saw about 2000-4000 fans if that going forward… 5 years of putting up with his low level production is more than enough…

    I wouldn’t be shocked if RJ is about empty this weekend if they start JW or the stadium see a large number spike at attendance if the trot out someone else at QB… Many fans have expressed they stay away because of JW and his losing ways!

  49. rosadog Says:

    Let’s be honest! The Perriman TD should have been a pick in the end zone!
    Lucky bounce on a throw with 3 defenders around!
    He played well enough to win in a loss and got lucky enough to not be blamed!

    If that’s a pick what is the narrative today?

  50. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    I was a big Jameis fan now I am not simply because of what he won’t stop doing and that’s keep trying to make big plays when there’s nothing there. But still the Bucs could’ve won a lot more games if the defense could just stop teams from moving freely down the field especially at the end of games

  51. Robert Says:

    JW is now an EX Buccaneer. #itsanewdayintampabay

  52. Joe Says:

    Joe nobody gives a F*%^ about jameis

    ROTFLMAO!

  53. Bucsalltheway Says:

    Not just the secondary we had good/bad play from dean and a costly penalty from devin white. Devin white summed up is a great instinct guy playing the run and a liability in coverage

  54. Bucsalltheway Says:

    Or how about Todd Bowles a former db who cant raise the play of his shabby corners…head scratcher there. We’re missing that Patrick Peterson player who shuts down a side.

  55. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Fireeeee Licht! Human General Mashed Potato Brained Bunghole. Fireeeee Licht! He sucks! Bad Bad bad bad bad!bad! He’s terrible!

  56. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Raise Your hand if u hate Jameis… if you raised ur hand ur a hot chocolate donut dipping pencil pushing dim witted dodo bird!

  57. Tye Says:

    @Robert
    ‘JW is now an EX Buccaneer. ‘

    You should be mindful at that sort of comment… You may cause massive drinking to start really early this Morning…
    Most fans celebrating the news and the few of his followers for being wrong about him! LoL

  58. Allbuccedup Says:

    BA don’t blame Jameis for the fumble it was the balls fault it got slippery.

  59. tmaxcon Says:

    Tye Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 8:57 am

    The Bucs would just be FAR better without JW…

    if it’s that simple why have the sucked for 2 decades plus without jameis

  60. tmaxcon Says:

    jameis haters are the same rednecks who wanted to be the bottom in the famous deliverance scene… good ole boys!!!!

  61. Matthew Fifer Says:

    @Jameis Almighty

    I’d rather be a hot chocolate donut dipping pencil pushing dim witted dodo bird than an idiot who still thinks Jameis Winston is the answer to this teams problems. As bad as our secondary is, he’s far worse.

    Let’s keep in mind, the whole offseason leading up to the start of the year, we kept hearing from BA that our secondary looked incredible. They were creating lots of takeaways from Jameis. If he can’t beat this secondary into submission day in and out in practice….how can you think he is not the problem?

  62. Troy Says:

    It’s not about blaming Jameis every week. If you can’t see he’s Jackyl & Hyde, you’re blind. Get it through your head – Jameis is a problem. But only one of many on this team. For people saying that we’re rushing the passer effectively since JPP got back, you’re dreaming. Wilson had time on lots of plays. Too much time in fact. Add that to an inexperienced, poor secondary, and you give up 41 points.

    Every year Jameis stays at QB for this team is two lost years of progression for the franchise at this point. That being said, this team needs to address the trenches in every draft with a new GM who actually knows what talent looks like.

    Having Winston is like having Dalton, just a younger version of him. People need to stop the debate. He cannot bring this franchise to the promised land.

  63. Simeon Says:

    Joe, why don’t you break out the points our d has given up off Jamies many turnovers. Yeasterday 7, but other games more.

  64. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    I’m reconsidering my views on America’s Grop….errr, Quarterback. Let’s give him 5 more years to get it together. That oughta do it…right?

  65. tmaxcon Says:

    Troy

    take winston away bubba and the bucs have still never ever ever competed consistently so again stop focusing on a symptom and look at the disease big picture the entire organization is a failure and always has been…. the disease is the glazers… . history proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt….

  66. tmaxcon Says:

    lost years of progression…

    freaking drama queen…. lol… this team has been a joke since sapp left… lol…. you drama queens need to audition elsewhere it’s laughable…

  67. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Bucs aren’t going to sign Dalton- that’s as dumb as Broncos signing Flacco.
    Let’s see how the last 8 games go… If they play like Sunday every game, 6-2 is possible

  68. Dapostman Says:

    How did Aaron Rodgers do yesterday Buc fans? His OL was under siege every time I tuned in. J Bosa and Ingram were in the backfield a lot.

    To the Buc fans who’s parents are brother and sister I’ll explain it to you. If your OL plays a good game Jameis Winston will play a good game. If the OL is a sieve then Jameis Winston and the Bucs offense will struggle just like every QB in the NFL.

    Thanks for the entertainment Corky’s.

  69. QUE589 Says:

    It’s a losing culture and Bruce Arians has conformed to it and is continuing it with the excuses.

  70. tmaxcon Says:

    Morgus the Magnificent Says

    You love to mention groping….. Why dont you grab a lap dance at mons and release some of that tension before going back to church. You will feel better. Ask for chastity or angel

  71. Bucsfanman Says:

    As crazy as it sounds, tmax is 100% correct! This ORGANIZATION has been failing its fans long before Jameis and will continue to do so as long as the Glazers own this franchise.
    Connect the dots. Bad leadership, bad team. A shame!

  72. Coburn Says:

    2 main issues with this team… Secondary and Jameis. Not one or the other. He played well yesterday but is too inconsistent.

  73. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston played good yesterday, but not great. True Franchise QB ‘s find ways to win close games like yesterday – Wilson did, Winston didn’t.
    Also, this Seattle defense had already been torched several times this year by QB’s such as Matt Schaub. They have very little pass rush and play mostly bend but don’t break soft zone coverage so QB’s get good stats against them.
    So despite the loss, the Jameis Winston PR campaign by Arians and the Bucs forges on.

  74. stpetebucsfan Says:

    JW has put his off field problems behind him for several years now so at least he has that albatross off his neck and I’m sincerely happy for him. He seems to have turned his life around and is a nice story of redemption….OFF the field.

    On the field….you guys can tell me who said this…Bear Bryant was a great coach because he could his eleven and beat your eleven and then take your eleven and beat his eleven.

    That’s what we saw sooo CLEARLY yesterday. JW played well…Wilson played great. If you simply switched QB’s and replayed that game which team do you think would win.

    If we had swapped QB’s yesterday which team would have won?

    Wilson is exceptional. JW was touted by Joe and others as having a ceiling that is exceptional! I no longer believe that.
    JW’s ceiling would be a decent NFL QB. Build the right team around him and he could win.

    Problem is there is no way to build a team strong enough and still pay JW 20-30 million at this point. And IMHO while I like JW now personally…I believe he has a great attitude…works hard…is respected by teammates and coaches….but he’s just not worth all that money.

    Russell Wilson just scored the largest contract for QB. Is he worth it? There are only half dozen or so QB’s who would have won that game for Seattle yesterday so yeah he’s worth it.

    Is JW? Not until he can start winning games like yesterday.

  75. [email protected] Says:

    Smith hit Jaboo

  76. Craig Says:

    Jameis played a good first half yesterday. The second half was shaky with inaccurate passes and that dropped ball. Maybe that is why the defense was gassed, he took the air out of the team with it.

    I’ll continue to blame Jameis because he can’t play a whole good game. Playing a good first half might work if the defense is solid, not seven wasted draft pick thrown on the field like pick up sticks. One problem with Jameis is that the half he usually plays well is the second, after he put us in a hole.

    Jameis has been a slow starter forever and that will never change.

  77. BucsBandit Says:

    You think the team sucks now? Try signing Winston to a cap-crushing extension.

    I love how Jameis plays one good game and suddenly his 4+ years of garbage play is overlooked.

    Ryan Fitzpatrick has had made amazing games better than the one Jameis has yesterday, yet there’s a reason no team is trying to give him $30M/year. It will be the same with Jameis unless we’re dumb enough to pay him.

  78. Sharthappens Says:

    Another game we win if JW is not the starter. Another turnover = points for the other team. Game would have never gone to OT. Russel Wilson 22 TDS and one pick for the season.

  79. Matthew Fifer Says:

    @BucsBandit

    That’s why I’m concerned Bandit. We (you, me & the fanbase) no better. The people running the show at 1Buc….do not. Right now I’m still believing there is about a 75% chance we resign him to big money. I will worry endlessly about that news until the day he’s released.

  80. Sharthappens Says:

    I was at the dolphins game yesterday afternoon and hung our with Channing Crowder for a few. I asked him about JW and he said all you need to do is spook him early in the game and he will fold. He did say that a new team and fresh start would serve him well.

  81. Sharthappens Says:

    ^^^he also went on the state that the a Bucs D may only have 3-4 players return tot he roster next season.

  82. Dapostman Says:

    What you offspring of brother and sister don’t get is Jameis Winston played the great Russell Wilson to a draw. Yes WDS simpletons. Even with a worse defense than Russell Wilson carries around. The game was a draw. So you morons who keep stating Wilson found a way to win just don’t get it. You are so biased that you are now FAKE NEWS or maybe your unusual number of chromosomes are out of whack.

    I guess you Corky’s could blame Winston for not winning the coin toss but that’s it.

    Repeat after me, Winston with a worse defense played Russell Wilson to a draw.

    34-34. The Bucs defense LOST this game because they couldn’t even hold the Seahawks to a FG try.

  83. lambchop Says:

    @John,

    The “boys” are not getting crazy stats and that’s because they are creating chaos with the QBs pocket. Smart QBs get rid of the ball early when the pocket is crumbling. If we had a good secondary, you’d see a lot more turnovers because of the pass rush. They are forcing QBs to get rid of the ball before taking a sack, but our sieve of a secondary makes it look like our pass pressure is having little effect.

  84. Ndog Says:

    D-Rome Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 8:42 am
    Joe beats the table that no quarterback could win games with this putrid pass defense, not on its third straight season of scorched earth among Bucs fandom.

    Um, not sure if you watched that game yesterday but Seattle also has a putrid pass defense and a sub-par pass rush.

    Russell Wilson finds a way to win football games and he is the reason why that team is 7-2. Wilson doesn’t turn the ball over and the most INTs he’s had in a single season is 11.

    So we are just going to ignore that Seattle rushes for 132 yards a game while we rush for under 100?

    No that has zero impact right?

  85. Upthecreekwithoutapaddle Says:

    Not a Jameis apologist but I agree with you 100 % Joe.
    True he makes some mistakes but he’s always pressing.
    I don’t think there’s a QB in the league that has more to overcome every game because of poor secondary play..And it’s been like that for three out of five years.
    Get him some help ,oline,cb,do and then complain about him if they don’t win.
    I say franchise Jameis next year after he gets some help through the draft.Just don’t let J.L pick the draft picks SMH

  86. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    Where’s Ndog? His homie played his best game for the Bucs. I can’t believe that on two threads on this site only one other person noticed that Jameis’ fumble late in the game was NOT his fault. The OL to his left clipped Jamis’ right arm, changed it’s inclination to straight up, and the fumble takes place immediately.

    Jmon300 spotted it also. Didn’t anybody else notice it? I replayed it several times. For once Jameis was not at fault.

  87. unbelievable Says:

    That tweet is pretty damning…

  88. unbelievable Says:

    @Oregonbucsfan-

    I was trying to tell people the same thing in the game thread. They told me I was an idiot and that I needed to go back and rewind it.

    Well sure enough, the replay showed D. Smith knocking into his elbow right as he was bringing the ball back.

    Haters gonna hate and act like idiots though, as usual.

  89. Donnie wish we were better Buc fan Says:

    “Blame Licht for our secondary talent.” – Ding ding ding we have a winner!

    Blame him for the entire shatty roster!

    6 DBs in the past 2 years, all in top rounds and maybe one of them would be good enough to start for another team!

    Oh and now our draft picks are needed to fix the O-Line, RB, possibly JW replacement and oh yeah, again we need DBs!
    I don’t think none of us really understand how bad this team is really put together. JW can be a winning QB but on a good team that plays defense and protects the pocket longer than 2sec.

    This guy is wasting away our draft picks

  90. Ndog Says:

    BTW we have the 4th highest scoring average offense in the NFL AND the 2nd highest scoring average defense (most allowed) in the NFL but yeah I know I know the QB is why we don’t win games.

    My goodness reading these comments just reinforces how many truly CLUELESS people we have in this world.

  91. Buc1987 Says:

    Jameis lost me in London.

    Fumbles once…then recovers.

    Next down.

    Fumbles again…doesn’t recover.

    Thee end. I’ve HAD it with him.

    I don’t care how good or bad he plays the rest of the way.

  92. Buc1987 Says:

    A song for Ndog….

    “My head is saying fool forget him
    My heart is saying don’t let go
    Hold on to the end, that’s what I intend to do
    I’m hopelessly devoted to Jameis!

    Hopelessly Devoted to You – Olivia Newton-John

    Bwhahahahahaha

  93. Bucsfanman Says:

    ’87- A ‘Grease’ reference?! You are aging yourself bro!

  94. Reach87 Says:

    Funny. So many moronic posts about the QB its hilarious. Babies who think if they cry enough the problem will be solved. No clue about the game/team you claim to be a fan of. Go Bucs

  95. Nick2 Says:

    Joe what happened to draft a good edge rusher and that helps your secondary??

  96. Troy Says:

    Tmax – we agree 100%. The Glazers are not winners. Winners would not tolerate this.

  97. Sharthappens Says:

    NDog; I love you ignorant stats. Here is one for you: we are 2-6 this year. Our organization is not smart enough to lose out for the rest of the season and gain the first or second pick in the draft. Therefore, we will win 4 to 5 games and picking fifth or sixth in next years draft. This will push us out from drafting a true franchise quarterback, on the cheap. To that end, they will probably resign JW to a three-year contract that will strap us from my free agency perspective. This is the poorest run organization in all of sports

  98. July Joe Says:

    Did Ira Kaufman ever “play” football?

    If so, someone please check him for CTE …

  99. unbelievable Says:

    So 87 went from telling EVERYONE that we would win a superbowl with Jameis within 3 years (bank on it, he said), to being done with him after 2 horrible games?

    Why are you done now? He’s had at 1 – 2 awful games every single season?

  100. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    I’ve stopped posting on this site because of the buffoons up here. I know longer support JW anymore either he simply isn’t the answer. He has been consistently inconsistent and his inaccuracy comes from being a baseball pitcher for so many years. This game was not lost by him. It should have been won by him. His two tds negated by penalties cost us 4 points. Yet clowns up here overlook them but these same losers bring up what could have been with the tipped td shouldn’t have been thrown ignore the fact Evans’s was wide open when Jameis finally saw him the LB made a great play. Jameis played well enough to win, 34 points should be enough to win any game. You clowns refuse till admit he helped win the game with less than a few minutes left and the defense just couldn’t get that stop. No excuses needed in this game.

  101. Buc1987 Says:

    unbelievable….of course I underestimated just how BAD the Bucs really are….

    Jameis isn’t the main problem (that’s the pass defense)but he has real problems not giving the ball to the other team. Not a very good trait to have. I thought by now he would have corrected this issue with fumbles, but he can’t and won’t.

    I really don’t think another QB is the answer though as long as pass d is this bad.

  102. stpetebucsfan Says:

    “Repeat after me, Winston with a worse defense played Russell Wilson to a draw.”

    Why do you want us to repeat an untruth? Google is your friend.

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2019&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

    According to the NFL the Bucs have the 23rd ranked defense while the Seahawks are ranked two spots WORSE at 25th.
    The Seattle DB’s are as bad as ours.

    Why can’t you JW lovers just see the truth?
    Russell Wilson is currently sitting at a whisker beneath a freaking 70% completion rate while tossing for more than 2500 yards in a half season…but IMHO his most amazing stat of all…
    22 TD’s and just ONE int.

    Even NDOG wouldn’t try to tell me that JW will eventually complete even 20 TD’s with just one int.

    I like JW…he could become a decent NFL QB who just desperately needs a league leading defense to get deep into the playoffs. Wilson opened my eyes yesterday to the huge talent differential. He has touch, poise, and he can run. And he’s a true leader not a loud rah rah guy.