A Bridge To… Where?

November 4th, 2019

Quarterback forecasting.

Call America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, “The Bridge.”

A bridge to what, Joe isn’t sure.

But that’s what hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionistMike Florio-arguingparrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancinganti-football proliferationouthouse-admiringairline-nappingsteerage-flyingYogi Berra-worshipingurinal picture-takingvideo game-playingTaylor Swift-listeningpickpocket-thwartingBucs-uniform-frowningAllie-LaForce-smittenBig-Ten-Network-hatingpedestrian-bumpingolive oil-lappingpopcorn-munchingcoffee-slurpingfried-chicken-eatingoatmeal-lovingcircle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watchingscone-loathingcollege football-naïvebaseball-box-score-readingNPR-honkfilthy-hotel-stayingfight-instigatingbarista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping social activist Peter King of NBC Sports believes Jameis is. A bridge.

Recently, King stated with authority while appearing with the one and only Chris “Mad Dog” Russo on SiriusXM Mad Dog Radio the Bucs planned to sign Jameis to a two-year contract to buy him more time to work with Bucco Bruce Arians. King said this information was based on a meeting he had with Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht earlier this summer in training camp.

King’s prediction came before Jameis had two horrific games in a row last month.

After yesterday, King hasn’t budged much from his original belief, though King is less sure Jameis returns to Tampa Bay.

King once again claims that Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht will offer Jameis a two-year contract as a bridge, so King writes in his “Football Morning in America’s column on NBCSports.com.

Jameis Winston has gone from an 80-percent sure bet for a second contract with the Bucs to who knows. In his last two games prior to Week 9, Winston turned it over 10 times—and he’s lucky it wasn’t 12, because two of his fumbles were not lost. But then he throws for 335 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions in nearly upsetting Seattle on the road. So like I said, who knows. Coach Bruce Arians has been fiercely defensive of Winston, but that’s what happens when a coach is trying to save a quarterback whose middle name is Potential. I won’t be surprised, barring an efficient second half of the season, if GM Jason Licht pushes the QB decision down the road and offers Winston a bridge deal of a couple of years.

Again, bridge to what? Is King suggesting the Bucs will draft a quarterback next spring and have him sit behind Jameis for two seasons? If that is the case, will Arians even be around here in 2022?

Additionally, the crop of quarterbacks expected in next spring’s draft suddenly does not look like lead-pipe lock bets, as King himself points out.

Tua Tagovailoa (nagging injuries), Justin Herbert (not an alpha-male leader type), Joe Burrow (one-year wonder).

Well, if Herbert is the kind of guy that King suggests, you can scratch him off Licht’s list. He won’t draft him. Licht places a premium on personality and he does not like wallflowers, especially at quarterback.

Tua’s ankle issues are a real concern. If he is getting hurt in college, what makes anyone think he will be durable in the NFL? Marcus Mariota was always dinged up at Oregon and he proved to be a china doll with Tennessee.

Or could King be referencing Jameis as a two-year bridge in order for the Bucs to draft Trevor Lawrence or Justin Fields?

If the Bucs decide to part ways with Jameis and somehow land Lawrence, that tells Joe that Team Glazer made another deal with the devil the same way they plotted a course for Chucky back in 2002.

73 Responses to “A Bridge To… Where?”

  1. Jean Lafitte Says:

    weird Joe ..everybody else is a bust in his weird Joe’s world ..Jameis is the bizzness. 5 years and waiting…………………………………………………….

  2. DB55 Says:

    I hope they get Lawrence just to satisfy the “real fans”.

    If JayMiss ATM’s agents don’t step up and get him out of Tampa then they should refund JayMiss all of his money.

  3. Tye Says:

    one of their best options would be seeing what vet QB that they can bring in to give the bucs a better chance for more than a 5 win season and one who would be a good mentor for any young qb they bring in… Winston would be a horrible mentor (any losing qb wold be)…

    see what happens with Philip Rivers, Nick Foles, someone who has had winning seasons and go from there.. Andy Dalton has had turnover issues so we do not need another JW.. we need to get rid of the one we’ve got.

  4. Stravenite Says:

    Question to Licht when he was appointed

    What was the most important thing you learned from Belicheat in your time at the Pats

    Answer – When you make a mistake with drafting a player don’t
    persevere and move on

    Looks like that lesson was not learned and 5 years later we are
    talking about an extension, everyone wants responsibility but
    those same folks don’t want accountability !

    Do What You Say You Will Do !

  5. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Oh…7 years is the magic number for a 1st overall draft pick….pick and jameis…LOL…Beavis and Butthead laugh….I said Jameis and pick together

  6. Scratchmyhead Says:

    I have never understood why this site has always called him” America’s QB” it’s honestly the biggest joke ever

  7. Buc1987 Says:


    Did you know: Philip Rivers is the ninth-most-winning National Football League quarterback by career wins (120). wikipedia.org

  8. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Here is a cool stat for you JW bashers, one team scored more than 34 points yesterday. This team has major issues and you want to create another one by bringing a scrub QB that is worse than Jameis and wast a top 10 pick on a rookie QB with so many glaring needs on this team. This team is bad, but QB is not our biggest problem. You guys all blame Jameis for turning the ball over but what choice does he have. They can score 34 points and lose anyway. He has to be Superman and play perfect in order for the Bucs to have a chance. You bring Hebert who isn’t that good, or Burrow who is a system QB with a great supporting cast and they will fail miserably in Tampa. A two year deal with Jameis for a moderately priced contract is the perfect alternative. I know you guys are anxious to go back to losing games 24-10 with a game manager like Glennon. If we are going to lose I would prefer 40-34. If we can fix the rest of the team Jameis will thrive like he did yesterday and has so many times in the past. He also will reduce the turnovers if he has a defense could stop someone, anyone!

  9. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Because of JW’s fragile ego and his shattered confidence trying to build a two year bridge will collapse immediately.

    JW let a journeyman’s success combined with his own turnovers ruin his confidence. When your head coach is afraid to bring in competition because you want a starter to feel bullet proof and assured of his starting job it’s pretty extreme for a “star” player. I HATE that for ANY player. No player without enough confidence and self belief is worth it. If he’s afraid of the competition on his own team what does he think about the other teams?

    Having said that…I think JW could yet be a DECENT QB(probably needs a new team and fresh start) but he’ll never be a Russell Wilson, Mahomes, etc. We saw the mental and PHYSICAL difference between Wilson and JW. The quickness and running ability was no newsflash or surprise…but seeing the difference in touch opened my eyes.

    Remember JW had a GOOD game yesterday but it was not in the same league as Wilson.

    So what do you want at QB? Someone like Wilson who could lead you to a SB…or someone like JW who if we built a defense like our SB defense or the Ravens or the Bears SB defenses could manage to win with a defense that covered his turnovers.

    I’m actually kind of open minded there is more than one way to get the job done. Besides I grown to like fellow Vet D.R. and he’s starting to win me over to the old defense wins championships argument. I’ve never really disagreed with that.

    But I have to confess it was fun watching Wilson slice and dice and play like the conductor leading the orchestra. And again I’m an old AFL reject here…I LOVE offense…but I have to concede that ya gotta have defense first.

  10. Dapostman Says:

    Phillip Rivers is a statue that will be pummeled and put out to pasture behind this OL. Plus he will probably cost more than Winston. Improve the OL and the defense and please get a decent 3rd WR that can be counted on.

    When the OL plays good Winston plays good just like all the other good QB’s. QB’s fail when they are under duress constantly.

    I don’t expect the Bucs fan base to figure it out because well it’s the Bucs fan base. There are a lot of Corky’s on the blog.

  11. Buc1987 Says:

    Scratchmyhead…Joe’s explained it numerous times and it has nothing to do with Winston’s skills and everything to do with the national publicity Winston gets everytime he so much as sneezes.

    Jameis does something and it makes the news…..hence America’s QB.

    Get it now? Cause I always have.

  12. ancientasbuc Says:

    Or, King doesn’t know what he is talking about? I go with that one. He visited Licht in the summer and made a few guesses and is no doubling down on his guesses without any facts. Same old King.

  13. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    I heard the interview and interpreted it as a “bridge” co tract to a possible larger contract if he proves he’s worthy of a longer larger pay day

  14. Dapostman Says:

    According to the Corky’s on this site we should have drafted Haskins or Danny Dimes instead of White. Yeh they would be great on this team. That was sarcasm for you slow yellow bus riders.

  15. miken Says:

    @Joe… what do you mean in last sentence? Deal w devil with Gruden?

  16. stpetebucsfan Says:

    BTW…there is more to JW’s problems than simple decision making. His small hands surfaced again yesterday…yeah his elbow hit Smith on the way back which probably would have affected the throw but the ball nor JW”s hand was ever touched.

    It’s not the first time dating back to that infamous bowl game and it’s not likely to be the last.

    QBs With Small Hands Struggle In The NFL

    Quarterback W-L
    Colin Kaepernick 25-14
    Teddy Bridgewater 6-6
    Ryan Tannehill 23-25
    Matt Flynn 3-4
    Geno Smith 11-18
    Chad Henne 18-35
    Colt McCoy 7-18
    Blake Bortles 3-10
    Derek Carr 3-13
    Jimmy Clausen 1-10
    Josh Johnson 0-5
    Curtis Painter 0-8
    — ESPN Stats & Information

    Winston has unusually small hands for a quarterback.

    My dad was a bookie so I tend to look at odds…those odds against QB’s with small hands are pretty steep!

    Out of the 61 QBs who’ve started a game since 2006, only 14 have had hands 9 3/8 inches or smaller. Twelve of those quarterbacks have started two or more games, and the results, with one notable exception, are not pretty.

  17. unbelievable Says:

    It’s straight up comedy than anyone thinks an immobile QB like Rivers would somehow do better behind this o-line, with virtually no running game and a sieve of a defense.

    If you’re not replacing Jameis with someone who is even better at scrambling and making something out of nothing, then you are guaranteeing even less wins each season.

    Good luck with that.

  18. BucsBandit Says:


  19. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Even Ronde mentioned yesterday that Jameis has never brought the team back for a meaningful win in the 4th quarter…..

  20. WeeManOfScots Says:

    If Jameis stays on any longer, there will be many fans that will not renew their season tix…

    And never ever again, draft a QB out of FSU…

  21. DBS Says:

    It can be settled easy. Make him an offer He can refuse. If he wants out of the sh!whole known as Tampa he will leave. As long as the Glazers own this team it is going nowhere anyway.

  22. Troy Says:

    I’ve seen enough in 5 years to know that Winston isn’t going to win a thing in Tampa. I’m sorry but he’s too inconsistent of a player. All of the excuses are just that, excuses. He makes too many mistakes. But here’s the thing; I don’t think any QB is winning in Tampa. It’s not because of the O-line. It’s because of the defense. Until that gets corrected, Joe Montana isn’t winning here on a consistent basis. Does that mean I think Winston would win here if the D was better? Nope. He’s lost too many games like the SF and Carolina game for my taste. He’ll have at least 2 more like that before the season is over. SB winning QBs don’t play like that.

  23. SOEbuc Says:

    Not King. Guy’s an idiot. We’re gonna get a rookie QB we have got to protect him and that is not going to happen with this highest paid, average oline. Send Ali and Jensen packing. These guys are far from what they’re getting paid. Gave Donovan Smith $40 million with a lot of guaranteed dough and I threw up in my mouth. Other than those three QBs named, Jacob Eason from Washington is a beast (6’6″ 227 lbs.) that has an accurate rocket in the middle and down town and he’s far from standing half an hour in the pocket like Jameis.

  24. miken Says:

    @dapostman… yep, too late for rivers now but we could of had him gordan and a pick for the Jameis pick… what might have been. There are no good free agent options , you have to draft one

  25. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Troy, I guarantee you he becomes more consistent with a defense that can make a stop. Right now he knows, like we do, that he better score a TD nearly every damn time they get the ball because the defense is going give up points aplenty. Jameis, when he is on his game, can be elite. I will take that ceiling of his vs scrubs like Foles and Keenum. Address the defense with that top 10 pick next year and keep trying to fix that.

  26. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Lol Dapostman I don’t think Miken was able to figure out what you were saying.

  27. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Remember the old “Bridge to nowhere”…..well….this may be another one.

  28. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Joe how about an Excel 5 year chart
    Jamies’s games
    Jameis’s TD’s
    Jamies’s fumbles
    Jameis’s Int’s
    Jameis Sacks
    and any other typical QB stats…
    if it was in a hospital setting they’s pull the plug on the flat line chart

  29. Bucnjim Says:

    The NFL is a business and even though fans are invested financially and emotionally the organization still has checks to write and a cap to balance. This is where the Jameis Winston reality sets in. It was a stretch to keep him even this year at 20 Million. He has hired agents looking in the 35 Million range this is common knowledge. Looking at this years qb ratings through week 9 he falls pretty much where he has through his career in the mid 20’s out of 32. Beating Dalton, Flacco, Murray, Mayfield, Jones, Fitzpatrick, and Mariota. The cool thing about the QBs rating is it uses a lot of stats not just turnovers.

  30. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    The best bang for the cap dollar buck in the NFL is a 1st round QB draft pick

  31. Tye Says:

    ‘If Jameis stays on any longer, there will be many fans that will not renew their season tix’…

    This is the sentiment among a large portion of their fan base.. This team hasn’t been worth the investment of money or time to devote an afternoon to for several years now… Some even say they stopped watching the games until they get a real qb..

  32. gotbbucs Says:

    I know one thing for sure, if the Bucs sign Winston to a two year deal, they probably overpay him by at least $10 million per year more than any other team will give him on the open market.

  33. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Let’s wait and see which great college QB gets charged for sexual misconduct, and draft him !!!

  34. LordCornelius Says:

    It’ll be absolutely insane if Jason Licht get’s to try and start over with a new QB after going through 6 drafts failing to build a competitive team in general and already getting a shot at a franchise QB with a #1 draft pick.

    That’d be a historically unprecedented amount of failure allowed by a franchise to a GM as far as I know.

  35. mike Says:

    @touchdown… we are 22nd in yards given up… kc is 23 and seahawks are 25th… doesn’t seem to bother their qbs. So all of these jameis turnovers are the d’s fault?

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    Exactly what Troy said.

    No QB is going to win with a defense this bad.

  37. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says: Says:

    Maybe this is all part of a devious Glazer scheme to make the move to London less painful for the still remaining fans…

  38. Seemore Bucs Says:

    “And never ever again, draft a QB out of FSU…”

    Yet, and I know he wasn’t drafted by the Bucs, the only QB to win a Super Bowl for this franchise went to what school? I’ll wait a few minutes for you to come up with the answer……………………………………………………………………

    Brad Johnson went to Florida State University. Would still rather have a Noles QB than one from Criminal Gables or Alachua County Abnormal Tech.

  39. DalvinCookRules Says:

    Tua is a poor man’s Marcus Mariota. He is inferior to Mariota in every possible way–slower in reading defenses (locks in 1st or 2nd guy, then if both are covered he runs–Mariota at least went to his 3rd & 4th options), 3 inches shorter (lots of batted passes against the few good defenses he faces), and a hair slower & less agile than Mariota.

  40. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Bridge to nowhere!

  41. Cgmaster27 Says:

    This qb class isnt as good as tge experts were making it out to be. Herbert throws everything behind the line. Like everything, and the book on eason and herbert is they cant consistently hit the long ball, which jameis has vastly improved on this year.
    Fromm is a game manager at best, with that talent he has 8 total tds i bemeieve, thats terrible. Tua has had 2 ankle surgeries in 2 years, not good. The one i really like is Burrow, but he will probably go first at this rate. He is kind of a one year wonder, but i love everything about his game.
    But again, we wont get him so this draft yoi shore up the trenches with wvery single pick. Sign jameis to a 2 year 15 mill a year deal and if he cant work out, you get one of the big fish in 2 years.

  42. Capt. Tim Says:

    Why not resign Winston?
    Hes proven he can continue the fine Buc tradition of cellar dweller.
    And why would a team want fans, anyway?
    We just need Refs that dont have daughters.

    Would rather bridge with Andy Dalton. Of course- he’d probably screw up and get us in the playoffs!
    Russell Wilson. Equally bad defense. Less offensive weapons. Worse offensive line.
    May well end up in the SuperBowl
    If we get lucky- meybe 5-11

  43. Anonymous Says:

    What? King doesn’t know what he’s talking about. “Jameis Winston has gone from an 80-percent sure bet for a second contract with the Bucs to who knows.”

    He was never 80% sure bet at all. By the time the first 5 games were played, the decision was that Winston is NOT the QB going forward. That was already the belief as it was, but BA had to play this one out a bit. He’s not doing so well. 2-3 started smelling strongly like not offering Winston a contract.

    Bridge? Here are the factors. Winston’s price will come down a lot already that he he’s been more of the same inconsistent turnover machine and they are 2-6. We all know that. What do some people think he’s worth? Maybe $12M a year as a bridge. The Bucs? That’s the max. Will they draft a QB? Absolutely. But the main point here is every week the Bucs lose, and every week the attendance gets worse with 5 homes games left, with every turnover and bonehead regressing (he will turn in at least two or three more poor games), Winston’s value and any thought of (even) a short contract diminishes. Will Winston walk if offered $12M. Maybe so. And that’s what many fans would hope, But he will not be allowed to stand in the way of rebuilding. And the Glazers know how he’s been way to polarizing and has disppointed them with all the trust and risk they put into him.

  44. Anonymous Says:

    How mamu total points have the opposition scored this year off of Winston turnovers? And don’t give me “only those that were his fault” garbage. How many times did Winston put the team on his back in the 4th quarter and go down and win games this year? How many times did Jameis take his team to the Red Zone and come away without TDs? How many times did he give it up? The bottom line is Winston is a loser on a losing team. He’s on third third head coach and looks the same every year. He’s aguably gotten worse. No one cares about the stats. The QB, DBs, RB, and OL, in that order, need to completely retooled. At least half of the guys there now need to go. Except for Winston: he 100% needs to go.

  45. DooshLaRue Says:

    mike Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
    @touchdown… we are 22nd in yards given up… kc is 23 and seahawks are 25th… doesn’t seem to bother their qbs. So all of these jameis turnovers are the d’s fault?

    JW Nuthuggers hate this kind of sh!t!

  46. BucsBandit Says:


    When all you Jameis-Homers tout his accomplishments so far (while always leaving out his turnovers and lack of winning)…

    Don’t forget to mention in his stats that he had THREE GAMES where he threw for ZERO YARDS. That matters for a career.

  47. Pewter power Says:

    Winston has a big time agent so he probably won’t sign a 2 yr contract. It’ll be more than that but a couple years guaranteed, if they are smart it would be signing him to a contract that makes him easy to trade away. But bucs are always in a position of weakness when it comes to signing players which is why so many below average players are getting above market value.

  48. Defense Rules Says:

    The idea of using Jameis as a ‘bridge’ isn’t really all that far-fetched IMO IF he has a decent second half of this season. Offer him a 2-3 contract at say $12-$15 mil per year, with only 1-year guaranteed. Whether he accepts or not, sign a quality, veteran QB to challenge for the starting QB role.

    I agree that potential 2021 QBs in the draft look better than 2020 picks. Our problem right now is that we’ve got a bunch of NEEDS that will be best filled via high draft picks moneywise … OLinemen (plural), DLinemen (plural), RB & WR especially. We’ve also got a bunch of good players who we should re-sign: JPP, Suh, Barrett to name but a few (it’d be nice to keep their experience on the team while their replacements are being trained up?). Our problem is we don’t have enough draft picks to fill those NEEDS via the draft, and we really don’t have enough money to buy our way out of the problem with FAs.

  49. stpetebucsfan Says:

    If you say something often enough people begin to believe it…even when it’s incorrect…and sometimes even when it’s absurd..oops sliding into politics..sorry.

    I’ve read repeatedly on this board how bad our OL is..this thread is very representative. I’ve read how bad our OL is and how that is why JW has bad games that I started to believe it…even though my eyes saw JW in clean pockets…not always..what QB does get clean pockets every play.

    But how about a fact that blew my mind surfing for FACTS earlier. Our OL is ranked 6th in the NFL by the NFL. Can you believe that? Not if you believe many of our JBF posters.

    In fairness to Joe he HAS tried to address this on more than one occasion. Here are the facts to back Joe up…


  50. Oneilbucs Says:

    Man yesterday was a example of what this team is. Say what you want but the offense put up 34 points and we still lost . How many times did Jamies help this team take late leads in games and the defense or the kicking game let us down??? Until you guys realize that it takes a team to win games. Our defense sucks and I told all you stupid fantasy football people that if you can’t stop anybody from scoring you are going to lose. If you can’t run the ball you are going to lose regardless who the quarterback is. Now Jamies have not been perfect and I can agree with some of the turnovers just like any other quarterback all turnovers are not there fault . How many interceptions Jamies have thrown when the ball bounces off the wr hands and it happens to every quarterback in the NFL. Defense wins championships until you guys learn that you will be disappointed no matter who the team is.

  51. ElioT Says:

    Jason Licht can **** a fat one!

    This team is on the verge of complete collapse with no hope in sight.

    It doesn’t matter if Winston starts shooting stars out of him bum, the Bucs are in for a world of hurt.

    It’s a Bucs life, and we’re all living in it.

  52. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Bucs fans felt Vinny would always be bad and he ended up becoming a halfway decent QB for the Jets.

    At the time Steve Young left, fans waved goodbye, thinking we at least got something for the guy who had done little.

    You never know, Jameis could mature over the next couple years. Honestly, if he consistently cut back the bonehead stuff, he would probably be considered a top 10 QB.

  53. BigMacAttack Says:

    Jameis is worth about $10 mil a season on his best day. Only a fool will pay him $20 mil plus. Jason Licht is that fool and will let his defensive line go elsewhere. This team is a total train wreck and the conductor drinks on the job

  54. ElBajito43 Says:

    Just like I called the missed field goal in the chat yesterday
    I hope to be here when this happens so I can say

    Nothing will happen to remove Winston or “Trash” Licht without a revolution.

    We need fan organized picketing outside One Buc. But most of you guys will type “Fire LICHT “ and let him ruin everyone’s Sundays over and over……

    But won’t join the “FIRE JASON LICHT” FB GROUP

    Let alone show up to a protest. Get used to this cuz it’s here to stay WINSTY BABY and Daddy daycare with Papa BWUCY BWuce and Uncle “Trash” Licht the Fat Pool jumper.

  55. stpetebucsfan Says:


    “Honestly, if he consistently cut back the bonehead stuff, he would probably be considered a top 10 QB.”

    I used to feel that way and if he had a copy of the Bucs/Bears/Ravens SB defenses he could win and that would also probably pad his stats enough to be top ten….but…

    yesterday was an eye opener for me. Not because JW played poorly but because he played as well as I’ve seen perhaps save the Rams game. Still it was so CLEAR that there is a significant gulf between the talent of Wilson and JW. Wilson is a FAR better passer…a far more gifted athlete when he runs…far more poised and calm than JW. It is what it is. JW is NOT the Messiah we were sold. However like you I believe on the “right” team he could succeed but I don’t see him going far into the playoffs because again he’ll run into a Wilson or Mahomes or Brady…Rodgers…Minshew…ok the last one was a joke I think.

  56. Lamarcus Says:

    Bridge to what?

    A bust

    Ayers -spence. Bust
    Grimes-vh3. Bust
    Conte-Evans. Bust
    Djx-Godwin. Worked out

    More than likely it won’t worked and probably JW turns into a star……for another team just because it’s a Bucs life

  57. Architek79 Says:

    Once upon a time Winston and Mariota were once considered can’t miss prospects, see what I just did there?

  58. DB55 Says:


    Interestingly enough the link you posted shows the 31st and 32nd ranked Olines allow the least amount of hits on their QBs.

    Oakland (#31) has allowed 16 QB hits vs the 58 hits the Bucs oline have allowed and Josh Jacobs is breaking Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson’s rookie records.

    I’m wondering if the rankings are inverted bc NYJ (2), MIA (3) and ARZ (4) have like 5 wins between them.

  59. DB55 Says:

    DooshLaRue Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 6:42 pm
    mike Says:
    November 4th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
    @touchdown… we are 22nd in yards given up… kc is 23 and seahawks are 25th… doesn’t seem to bother their qbs. So all of these jameis turnovers are the d’s fault?

    JW Nuthuggers hate this kind of sh!t
    Ok I’ll bite. KC gives up 22 ppg and they win with or without Mahomes. It’s called a system offense see Alex Smith.

    Seattle gives up 25 ppg.

    Bucs give up 31.5 ppg, second only to MIA at 32 ppg.

    If the Bucs held opponents to 25 ppg they’d be 5-3 right now. At 22 ppg they’d be 6-2.

    And I’d account for points on turnovers but even if you took away the 3 points scored off the fumble the def still gave up 37 points.

    Now can we name one QB/team in the league who avg’s 33 ppg? Bc that what it takes to win in TB.

  60. Nate Says:

    The devil wasnt Gruden he helped get us a superbowl…the deal was ALL those pics n the devil was AL DAVIS

  61. DB55 Says:

    Last fun FACT and I’ll leave you alone.

    Philly has the second worst TO differential at -14 vs TB at -16.

    Philly is at worst tied for 1st place in the division at 5-4.

    Philly defense gives up an avg of 24 ppg.

    Which again would put the Bucs at 5-4

  62. lambchop Says:


    No QB will win with this defense is obvious. We just have to improve every position that isn’t playing at a level we expect for their draft position.

    Jameis Winston got away with another ill advised throw that could have been picked off but bounced into Perriman’s hands in the endzone. The defender got in and got his hands on that ball around Mike Evans.

    Jameis is good for a few possible game changing plays for the other team.

  63. DB55 Says:

    Oh by the way nfl touchdown leaders:

    Wilson 22
    Stafford 19
    Watson 18
    Rodgers 17
    Winston 16

    Yup top 5 scoring/TD QB and he’s number 7 in yards.

  64. Jeffbuc Says:

    The bridge is called the skyway. And that is what every buc fan wants to jump off of. I thought it was Jameis. But it is t I will keep it real. I hate all the stupid turnovers and thing sometimes we messed up but I have came to a realization that it isn’t Jameis it is the bucs. How do we every year no matter the coach no matter the players seem like we are outcoached and out manned every game. Our secondary is horrible and I bet we have spent the most draft capital the last 4 years on secondary. So it tells me it has to be the person drafting the players that is the downfall of this team. You can’t draft this many sorry I know you players are people and not just football players. But dumb football players new coach new defensive coordinator and yet they say the same thing the players aren’t doing what they are coached. Vernon heargraves should not waste another down starting for us. A person should never ask to be be downgraded at there job. Yet he did I don’t want to be a starting corner please downgrade me to a nickel corner. Who would ever say that. I’m not cut out for management please just send me back to a cubicle. We have a 1st round 4 2nd round corners and missed on all 5. Have a 2nd 3rd and 5th round safety missed in all of those. As we I mean Jason. There is one common denominator with are players and that is Jason. Any of the 32 teams would have been right drafting Evans other than that he is garbage at drafting players. Noah Spence Roberto Aguayo Justin Evans those are high second round picks supposed to be difference makers day one starters. Two are not on are team and the other I wouldn’t know was if it wasn’t for a website with a roster. A fan should never feel like he could build a better roster than your gm. If they do you know your team sucks. Heck joe could have drafted Johnny but his other picks would have made up for it. Oh yeah other second round pick Jones just in week 9 season over is now are starting running back. That’s why we are a 2-6 team. Good teams would have said Jones is more dynamic let’s call plays to help him get his elite athleticism in space he is are starter we will make it happen and set him up to succeed. Bad teams say let’s start fullback speed barber he will gain 3 yards a carry and fall forward. Only the bucs draft offensive. Weapons in the second round and don’t play them until 24 games into there career. If you can’t tell I am lobbying for the bucs gm Job in 5 years I promise to draft small school offensive linema 2 rounds to early. And I promise to take 5th round grade cornerbacks before 1st round grade cornerbacks who fell In The draft. Also I will draft a kicker but I promise a kicker will be very important for us. More so than the horrible punt and kick return average we have had in Jason’s tenure.

  65. Dapostman Says:

    @St Pete,

    The OL is ranked 6th? I bet they weren’t the 6th best vs the Saints or the Panthers. They may have been decent the first 4 weeks when the Bucs could have been 3-1 but in weeks 5 & 6 they were atrocious and in week 7 they directly contributed to 2 major TO’s. They played much better in week 8 against Seattle. Consequently Winstons 2 worst games were in weeks 5 & 6. It’s not that hard to figure out if the OL plays well the offense moves.

  66. Dapostman Says:

    BTW St Pete,

    The way I read that link was the Bucs OL were the 6th worst at giving up sacks with 30.

  67. Anthony Lash Says:

    Do you guys realize this team in 8 games has scored 230 points. That’s more than any team in the history of the bucs. You guys doing all this crying about Winston, he’s not the main problem. There’s no need to change him anymore than two years ago the colts needed to change luck. What they did was they drafted well for the oline and got a few have game changers on defense (we need secondary specifically.) We need to stop talking about Winston the guys fine. This is a team game, you win and lose as a team. He’s not the problem with this team. He’s had his issue but he’s not the problem. If the guy didn’t feel like he’s was going to be raped every time he dropped back he might just play like he played on Sunday every week.

  68. BucsBandit Says:

    Anthony Lash,


    Winston is fine? Really? A big reason why we’re 2-6 after having scored 230 points is because of Winston’s turnover issues.

    Stop blaming the O-Line. Our pass protection last season ranked in the upper half of the NFL and Winston still SUCKED.

    No more excuses for Winston. He’s gotta go.

  69. BucsBandit Says:


    ENOUGH with the B.S. selective stats to try and excuse Winton’s piss poor play.

    We all know many of his TDs and yards are when the game is already out of reach due to HIS play earlier in the game when things mattered the most. His 16 TDs should be more like 12 during crunch time.


  70. DooshLaRue Says:


    Are you adding in all the pick-6s to help inflate your “facts”?

  71. Jmarkbuc Says:

    JW is a chicken and egg scenario going forward..

    He can’t win without a much better team around him, and we can’t build a better team while paying him $30m a year.

    Add to that, the guy just isn’t that good, that should tip the scale toward JW being gone.

  72. RustyRhinos Says:

    Hey TouchDownTampaBay Jamise is very consistent at turnovers. When our Defense does get a punt and our QB has another three and out who is that on? The defense? Or the player who is supposed to be a great QB and raise the play of those around him. Like we were told here on these very pages from those who write all of this. “Great QB make their teammates better players just by lightning up under center.” This is why we did not keep Glennon remember? He didn’t raise the play of those around him. Yet America’s Turnover Machine just keeps telling us loss after loss after loss. ” I need to just get better” when does this player think that should happen? You know when everything clicks and he has no more dumb turnovers. Seasons two, three, four, no. Season five, no. When will that happen? Should we wait and hope it will? Or see what he has done in his first five seasons 100+TD’S and nearly 100 turnovers. Okay 96 so far and we still have games to go this season. When will our QB learn his craft? Seasons six, seven, eight? Time to, Move on.

  73. MadMax Says:

    Burrow with our #3 or 4 pick….if not, hated his last game but still like Eason of we can get him after trading down to the teens. Still need a RT and a RB! Mekhi Becton and Zack Moss!