Mental Breakdowns

October 14th, 2019

Jameis Winston appeared to see a ghost yesterday. Ronald Jones was wide open on this key play but Jameis did not throw the ball.

Bucco Bruce Arians must be pulling out what’s left of his hair this morning.

Yesterday in the throttling inflicted by the Panthers, the Bucs offense found a rhythm late in the second quarter. They were driving and were balanced. And up came 1st-and-10 at the Panthers’ 12 yard line.

Byron Leftwich sent in the call, a very quick screen pass to Ronald Jones, who was to go in motion to the right and empty the backfield. The snap is clean and Jameis Winston, America’s Quarterback, takes his two-step drop and turns to fire to Jones. He was wide open (see photo above, but Jameis sees a ghost and does not release the football.) He pulls down the ball (almost like a pump fake) and then cocks his arm again in Jones’ direction as some offensive linemen already have released to block. And Jameis has the ball taken from him like he was handing out a dollar bill at Mons Venus.

The Bucs recovered the senseless red-zone fumble for a nine-yard loss.

Clearly rattled, Jameis drops back on the next snap, holds the ball for six freakin’ seconds and fumbles, this time a turnover. Ryan Jensen is seen throwing his hands in the air and not walking over to help his quarterback or other teammates up off the turf.

Back-to-back, critical screwups on Jameis. And the Bucs never recovered.

66 Responses to “Mental Breakdowns”

  1. Troy Says:

    He’s covered. Just ask some in these forums. None of this was on Jameis. It was because of everyone else on the team. Give me a freakin break! He got gun shy and choked. It’s that simple. He’s done, and only the naive can’t see it. I know. I know. We’re releasing Brady’s replacement. LMAO!

  2. BoltzBux Says:

    There is nothing more to say!! Pictures are worth 1000 words. Jameis has not progressed.

  3. Syl Says:

    I think if you let it run you will see the guy jump into the throwing lane. That’s after he doesn’t make the throw shown here, as explained in the post.–Joe

  4. EEK Says:

    Winston defenders, what’s your excuse for his up and down play this time?

    When will it end?

    5 wasted years

  5. SchlomieBarmitzvahCircumScissorStein Says:

    The term “Mental Breakdown” when referring to Jameis is all encompassing. In other words, it’s anecdotal any time his name is referenced.

  6. csidedave Says:

    This play is clearly the fault of Byron and Bruce. Why in the world would you call a play that would make America’s QB and Pro Bowler see a ghost. They really should have known better.

  7. Lamarcus Says:

    Guys jumped in his way but one of those sorry lineman let a DT just come in and strip sack. Again, guys jumped in after he didn’t make this throw and brought the ball back up to a throwing position a 2nd time. –Joe The easiest strip sack you’ll ever see

  8. 941bucsfan Says:

    Hey guys, Jameis is who yall thought he was.. Lets address the real elephant(s) in the room. And quite frankly, Koetter is a much better play caller than leftwich, and Todd Bowles is no different from Mike Smith. Our defense is still trash. At the end of the Day Jameis failed us in these 5 years. And we failed Jameis by not giving this kid at the very least a top 15 defense. As long as we have a bottom 3 defense and a below average running game/running backs we will never win anything regardless of who the signal caller is.

  9. ElioT Says:

    Could have been a TD for sure.

    That ball has to come out immediately, Howard has to prevent Keuchly from taking Jones’ head off, Wells gets the block on 54 and then all Jones needs to do is make the corner miss or truck his a** into the end zone.

    Still would prefer a different play call with the three dudes we have over 6’5” plus Godwin the Beast.


  10. Danny Says:

    If he throws that ball, Jones gets crushed by like 3 Panthers defenders. There are no blockers even out there.
    That play was designed to pump to Jones and come back left. C’mon, it’s a quick screen designed to have Jones use his speed to juke someone and pick up 4 or more.–Joe

  11. Lamarcus Says:

    JW will be fine and will bounce back. I can’t say that about the secondary. It’s all bad and worse than last year.

    Cut VH3 today and let Murphy and Dean take their lumps

    Offensive line haters were right it’s bad. I see ghost when I watch the games and I know JW seems them too

  12. ElioT Says:


    You’re right, just rewatched it. I don’t think Howard would have gotten to Keuchly in time and Jones most likely would have been blown up.

    Evans or Godwin had room on the backside slant.


  13. 813bucboi Says:

    Back-to-back, critical screwups on Jameis. And the Bucs never recovered.

    no no no…..

    it wasnt poor winston….it was all VHG….lol….even tho he has no pass rush, he should been able hold any WR he covers catchless because, after all, WRs dont get paid and arent drafted in the first round….lol…

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  14. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The only thing worse, was the sheep that bought into the hype and lies of that it was just a “coaching problem”!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How foolish do they look, now that the truth has been exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Maybe Joe needs to revisit all the lies and BS quotes ole stale biscuit stated that fooled all of those Rube’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. Bird Says:

    Logikal joez is a breath of fresh air

    An objective reporter

    Obsezzed joez is a little obseszed/deranged
    Remember the Pitt game full of belly rubs and 5 post game long hot showers

  16. 813bucboi Says:

    EEK Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 10:08 am
    Winston defenders, what’s your excuse for his up and down play this time?

    sadly, @lamarcus has answered your question….lol…

    the excuse is VHG…….

    JW throws 5INTS(4 his fault) has 2 fumbles(both his fault,1lost), multipule miss throws, holds onto the ball too long, frustrates his olinemen but its all VHG’s fault…….

    all the other CBs on the team hold their man catchless and all 34 points were scored on VHG…..

    VHG’s worst game still isnt as bad as JW’s titan game under lovie, bengals game under dirk or this years panthers game under bruce….lol….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  17. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    This was one of many mental breakdowns for Jameis……he needs to get the ball out quicker…..throw it away if WRs or covered or tuck and run (with both hands on the ball)……
    This is very disturbing because it’s his 5th year and I don’t see improvement….

    Can anyone really claim that Jameis is a better QB now than he was as a rookie?

  18. Deminion Says:

    Blow it up

  19. Onetrickpony Says:

    The good JW might show up the next game and the people will be jumping with joy with a win, and all will be forgiven…….again

  20. Ndog Says:

    It’s clear the witch hunt is in full effect but isn’t the RT on a screen of this nature supposed to be cutting his man so his hands aren’t in the passing lane. It is pretty clear that the defender is right there and that’s why he didn’t throw it. I mean it couldn’t be much clearer as if he throws it it either gets knocked down or picked but of course that also would have been his fault. How blind can you guys be?

  21. DalvinCookRules Says:

    While JW has improved in several facets of his game since his rookie year, he is still who he is. He has not changed his core, and that is just as a guy who cannot process the entire field and frequently gets lazy with his eyes. What has NOT changed about him has been far more important than the mostly cosmetic (and rather trivial) mprovements to his game.

    Compare that to Brady who despite not having some of JWs gifts has mastered much more of what matters: the mental & emotional aspects. He sees the whole field, processes things actually before they happen, and makes (usually) great decisions.

  22. 813bucboi Says:

    Lamarcus Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 10:17 am
    JW will be fine and will bounce back. I can’t say that about the secondary.

    thats BS!!!!!…and hilarious at the same time…..

    folks said that last week when bad JW showed up in new orleans…..

    the secondary wont get better until someone besides shaq decides to provide some pass rush…..get some DE’s that can put pressure on the QB and the secondary will improve…..

    JW wont “bounce back”…..he’s about to get bounced out the league…….

    JW has had games like this with 3 different HC’s…..2 of who are considered “offensive guru’s”……lol….

    JW needs to go….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  23. Alanbucsfan Says:

    There are 2 Bucs on the 13 yard line if you can’t see it, heading over to block Panther pursuit- ROJO might have scored on the play…
    If I’m one of Jameis’ teammates, I’m just playing for another contract because this guy is hopeless.

  24. Duthsty Rhothdes Says:

    Ndog… witch hunt? October? #3 has had enough octobers of misery in tampa maybe he will shine for the LA chargers in 2 years

  25. Warrenfb12 Says:

    Dumb by jameis…the next play was even worse. That said, the DE was flashing in and we have all seen how that plays out…I’m sure Jameis remembers as well. The play call was dumb as we have run a similar screen a few times in this game and Carolina was sitting on it.

  26. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Joe, you must admit, it is time to permanently shelve the “America’s Quarterback” crap.

  27. Alanbucsfan Says:

    By the way, on the 1st play of game when Jameis throws pick into double coverage, there were 3 other receivers all with single coverage and all open

  28. Cobraboy Says:

    America’s Turnover Machine.

    If Arians can’t fix Winson, can any coach?

    One more game like the last two, and I’m ready to see if Ryan Griffin can be the Buc’s Kyle Allen.

    I do NOT believe Griffin is a bonehead.

  29. Greg Says:

    What does Winston have to do to get benched? So tired of watching him

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    Aw come on Joe, call it like it is. That was a terrible play design. Yes RoJo is wide open … with 2 Panthers ready to tackle him for a loss. There’s no Bucs’ blockers who could get to them before they creamed RoJo. IF that’s a screen pass, it’s a poorly designed (or executed) one, or the Panthers had sniffed it out early. That play was doomed to failure from the start.

    But that picture shows one thing clearly what’s been happening all year. Here we are with a 1st-and-10 from the 12 yd line, with the Bucs driving nicely & only down 17-7 with 2 mins to go in the half. A TD at that point makes it a 17-14 ballgame & the game results might’ve been very different had we finished the half like that. BUT INSTEAD, WE SELF-DESTRUCT. Why a screen pass there? (and a poorly designed /executed one at that). We had FOUR DOWNS to take advantage of some great mismatches (can you imagine 5’11”, 185 lb CB Javien Elliott going against either ME13 or Godwin in the end zone?). Or bringing OJ or Cam onto crossing routes instead of blocking? Even running the ball, with a 1st down possible at the 2-yd line. But instead we have 2 receivers going out left (bunched), our TE blocking, and the ONLY viable outlet for Jameis being RoJo … who’s about to get creamed. Lack of imagination.

  31. Defense Rules Says:

    Ndog … Didn’t see your 10:36 comment earlier, but I agree 100%. Bad call doomed to failure. Unfortunately fumbling twice isn’t the answer to a bad call either.

  32. Bruce Blahak Says:

    WINSTUNNED is Canada’s QB…trade to Winnipeg for a crate of crabs legs….DO YOU PEOPLE NOT SEE HOW THIS MISTAKE PRONE FRAUD…WILL NEVER CHANGE ??!!!!!

  33. Lamarcus Says:

    Go get some secondary help please. If we got a new Qb today I still believe we ain’t winning anything. It’s so bad they are deliberately not thinking and just throwing VH3 directly. We know we can’t cover his own skin so I’m afraid until the secondary gets fixed we are doomed and JW back to playing hero ball so we don’t lose

  34. Jeebs the Honey Bear Says:

    Terrible play call, worse execution. This is what the Bucs do every week. BLOW IT UP!!!

  35. MadMax Says:

    Im done…fkn closed!!!! already looking at our top 5-8 draft pick, Delpit or a QB….wth is wrong with me, why do i do this to myself

  36. MadMax Says:



  37. tnew Says:

    The problem isn’t that he didn’t throw the ball… If he reads the OLB has a good chance to deflect on a lateral (player has good depth and the outside seal, TE needed to win the edge or at least stoned the defender) then great. The problem is he is sitting there pumping on the ball trying to figure out what to do.

    Great, you read the OLB has blown up the play. Don’t force the ball there, accept the consequence follow the Tackle/Guard and take anywhere from a 1 yard loss to a 5 yard gain.

    It doesn’t matter whether he is making the correct read, the issue is he is unsure whether he is making the correct read and trying to make that decision on the film. I can take mistakes, I can’t tolerate tentative. Tentative leads to games like yesterday, not poor reads. I don’t know that this can be fixed. Winston previously could have horrific plays/halves and bounce back. I was/am totally fine with this approach. Go ahead make the boneheaded play, but just commit to it and whether it works or not then accept the consequences. Understand by being decisive you will make some crazy mistakes, but you can also be great if you have the talent. ALL OF YOU who want him to quit making the boneheaded plays, this is what you get. Tentative play. This isn’t reckless play, this is much worse.. This is fear. Fear that I think will only be cured by a change of venue, or career.

  38. D-Rome Says:

    Jay-Miss was a disaster yesterday (no surprise) but it was my impression that on this play he was trying to freeze the defenders. In the picture above the three defenders know for sure where the ball was going. Still, you need to run the play the way it’s designed in this situation because, as you already stated, the linemen started to released their blocks.

    This is year five, folks. Can’t blame the O-Line or coaches on that gaffe.

  39. james west Says:

    only christ himself can resurrect winstons career, he’s more than digressed, he’s never developed, three head coaches, three OC’s, different schemes, different verbage, to many assistants and mentors, man he was drafted number one in 2015, and behold 4 years into it and waa la, this is as good as it’s going to get

  40. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Unbelievable some of these comments…
    Without Winston’s screwups, Panthers score 20 or less and Bucs win by 2 td’s.

  41. Slugglife Says:

    I’m going to die from alcohol poisoning watching this team.

  42. soggy Says:

    just numb to it all, same old stuff year in and year out, yesterday’s game did not even phase me much and that never usually happens, hoping for the best but whatever… go get em bucs.. ya…whatever..

  43. Ricky Says:

    Which QB are we drafting next year?

  44. tnew Says:

    My other issue is… Ok you don’t like the play call vs formation… which was MY READ at the time.. call timeout. You have two, at the 12 with two mins on the clock. No problems… Time Out, play the next down. While I’m on this, riddle me this, Why tell the entire defense, “Don’t worry about a run here” by going empty backfield? If your gonna do that at least drop Winston back to shot gun where there is a better angle created to make that throw and Jones can catch the ball moving forward????

    Someone PLEASE help me on that.

  45. 813bucboi Says:

    Lamarcus Says:
    October 14th, 2019 at 11:03 am
    Go get some secondary help please.

    that wont stop BAD JW from showing up!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!

  46. Buccernutter Says:

    vanilla paycalling and terrible ol play is making it that much harder for jameis. imagine if we had last year’s offense with this year’s defense? I’d say we would be 4-2

    Leftwich is not nearly as good as I thought. Neither is bruce for not demanding more Offensive linemen in the offseason.

    Jameis looked like trash but yet again the team around him did not help at all. That dropped pass by evans would have changed the game.

    Dammit there are so many issues again. Why the **** wont this curse end?

  47. Danny Says:

    A screen play usually involves someone blocking in front the player catching the screen pass. In this case there are 0 players blocking in front of him.


    If he throws that ball, Jones gets crushed by like 3 Panthers defenders. There are no blockers even out there. That play was designed to pump to Jones and come back left. C’mon, it’s a quick screen designed to have Jones use his speed to juke someone and pick up 4 or more.–Joe

  48. Bucsfanman Says:

    Looking at the picture:
    So, a QB walks up to the line with a screen called. The side to the screen has defenders up in the box while the other side has defenders playing 5 yds and safeties deep, 10 yds off. The two WRs are both open up top. A slant to the inside gets no less than 4 yds. The trailing WR gets the ball and has the slot blocking. Either way it’s PLUS yardage.
    Shouldn’t that be recognizable to a seasoned QB? 1 RB vs. 3 defenders short OR, 2 WRs with 1 defender short?
    So, a 5th year QB walks up to the line……
    Next play’s even worse!

  49. Jeffbuc Says:

    You guys saying that wasn’t a screen pass and ndog saying the tackle didn’t seal his man. Don’t know much about football I see. Because clearly that is not a tackle blocking him that is Cameron Brate blocking him. So if you look at the picture closely you can see the right guard and tackle saturating to run to the two defenders there to tackle Rojo. So it is designed for Rojo to come inside of the blocks then use his speed to get back to the outside and try to outrun the defenders to the pylon. But you Jameis homers are blind and justsee two
    Defenders there and not the whole play. So go back and look where the right tackle and guard are looking and running to. Perfect screen was about to be executed everyone was doing there job except one person. The ball was never thrown so it’s easy to see who didn’t do there part of the play

  50. LordCornelius Says:

    Winston sucked yesterday. I won’t defend it. He looked scared / timid.

    I’ve said it before but every season he has like 2 games like this that literally make up 1/2 his turnovers for the entire year. He hasn’t been able to stop doing it and already has 2 performances in 6 weeks.

    Not good enough man. And I’ve been a homer defending him for years.

  51. unbelievable Says:

    813 sucking on vh3s jockstrap real hard hard today.

    How’s it taste?

  52. Negative Nancy Says:

    let’s start calling him Winston instead of the familiar Jameis. He’s done nothing to earn that intimacy, and he’s closer to a pack of cigarettes anyway.

    And it speaks volumes to have an o lineman care so little for his qb…

  53. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Let Bowles interview with the Redskins…today

  54. Pewter power Says:

    Maybe rojo would have gotten two yards. It’s not like it’s very hard to dissect our offense which is part of the reason people cant get open

  55. Mike30#1bucfan Says:


  56. Rosadog Says:

    All 11 Panther defenders are in frame. 2 are rushing inside. If all Blocks executed Rojo has to beat one man for a TD!

    Throw has to be on time!

    Winston is standing just inside the 15 yd line.

    Rojo is standing just outside the 15 yd line.

    Nearest defender is being blocked at the 14yd line.

    If you can’t make that throw… it’s a 7 yd throw with the nearest defender 6 ft away!

    Pictures don’t lie!

  57. Buccernutter Says:

    I just gotta completely disagree with thsi post as well. Luke is breaking already as well as the defender at the bottom of the screen

    I feel like that’s a TFL if executed.

  58. Frank Says:

    And for some freaking reason, you continue to make up reasons for his sorry ass

  59. ITS ABOUT TIME !! Says:

    you gotta ask yourself is jw any better than he was in college…. NO HE IS WORSE !! WHY?? BECAUSE …. COACHES TOOK HIS SCRAMBLING OUT OF THE PICTURE HE NOT REALLY ALLOWED TO SCRAMBLE….. he is now exposed for what he is poor decision making , plain and simple … when he could scramble it would mask his poor decisions because he could painfully gets some yards running ….. asking him to be a pure pocket passer its not in him……..

  60. Sleepy903 Says:

    Im glad players watch film and not 1 still shot to determine what went wrong.

  61. Buddhaboy Says:

    Jameis is just a bad person, he is a DYICK

  62. 813bucboi Says:

    @unbelievable has JW’s dyck up his @$$ again…..

    getty up cowboy….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  63. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Greg says- ” What does Winston have to do to get benched.”

    Send him to Publix to pick up some crab legs Via an uber, while eating a rare W.

    Ryan Griffin….make peter and lois proud!

    For stewie

  64. BucsFan727 Says:

    No spit I seen White make a play last Sunday. Finally about funky time. Now make one every qaurter. There is going to be a few QBs coming out next year. It would be wise to draft one in the first.

  65. jjbucfan Says:

    What you guys are missing here is look at DS76, LOL. He is in a double team with Ali and is about to step on Jameis in a 1 step drop. Someone coming off the corner- DS 76 isn’t even looking. At least 3 Panther defenders waiting to tackle 27 the second he catches it (if he catches it). Crappy play design, very gimmicky just go at them!!

  66. Bucs96 Says:

    I’ve been in Jameis corner…

    I can’t defend last Sundays game, it’s taken me till Friday to come read & try to recover. He’s was VERY bad & no excuses b/c it was mostly on him.

    I’ll say the one thing I see Jameis having a problem w/ is teams that don’t blitz. The ones that rush 4 he has always struggled w/. He’s not patient enough to take the underneath routes for 10+ play drives.