Ira Kaufman’s 10 Takeaways From Bucs-Panthers

October 13th, 2019

BY IRA KAUFMAN

There’s a church close to the Buffalo Wild Wings in south Tampa where I watched in dismay as Carolina humbled the Bucs in London Sunday morning.

When the game ended, I watched several Buc fans trudge out the door, seeking the power of prayer.

When 1 o’clock came around and the game was still not over, all of the TV stations in the house automatically switched off from the Bucs-Panthers broadcast to a different network.

You should have heard the cheers.

Can you imagine what went down on that 4,400-mile flight back to Tampa? Bruce Arians may have ordered a few choice beverages to calm his nerves — and his fears. Jameis Winston reviewed all six of his giveaways in his troubled mind and tried to muster the courage to look his teammates in the eye.

The Bucs never gave themselves a chance on a dreary day across the pond as Carolina’s stunning resurrection continued. Add it all up and it’s a 2-4 record before the bye week. You know who needs a bye week more than the players and coaches? Buc fans … the loyal men and women who continue to support a franchise that rarely returns their affection.

Arians is still waiting for this football team to stack ’em up. He turned a 5-11 club on its ear in 2013, his first season in the desert.

He told Buc Nation that this was an easier reclamation project, but the buzzards are circling above One Buc Place.

It’s early in the season and it’s not dark yet, but it’s getting there. Here’s how Gerald McCoy and friends atoned for that Week 2 upset in Charlotte:

* How poorly did Winston play? Even his apologists, and you know who you are, can’t muster up much of a defense. He was sacked 7 times, threw 5 picks and lost one of his 2 fumbles. He rarely looked comfortable in the pocket and he showed no awareness or feel for Carolina’s relentless pass rush. Through the first 6 games, he has been awful twice (don’t forget about Week 1), and not very good in New Orleans. Even an offensive guru like 80-year-old Tom Moore didn’t know what to say to Winston when No. 3 came off the field.

* Three guys sitting with me predicted Winston’s first pass of the day would be directed toward Mike Evans, who was blanked in the Superdome. Bingo, interception. C’mon, Mr. Leftwich, you’ve got to be smarter than that.

* Winston’s first-half passer rating was 11.9 That’s not a passer rating, that’s the temperature in Nova Scotia in January.

* Bobo Wilson got lucky the first time he fumbled a punt. The Bucs recovered that gaffe, but Wilson wasn’t as fortunate the second time around. Watch the tape of that second drop — he never got his body in front of the punt. The Bucs can do better, can’t they?

* Even if you cut the offensive line some slack for missing two starters, the group up front underachieved for the second consecutive week. Even Ali Marpet had his issues and on the season, Winston has been dropped 25 times. The toughness displayed so often in Los Angeles has disappeared, along with the remnants of a credible ground game.

* Shaq Barrett went missing again, in part because opposing offenses have decided to commit additional resources to neutralize No. 58. Carl Nassib responded with his best game of the season, registering a sack and 4 tackles for loss, but Kyle Allen usually had an unobstructed view downfield. He didn’t have as much time as Teddy Bridgewater, but he had ample time to pick on Vernon Hargreaves and company.

* Run defense continues to be a positive, along with the play of Chris Godwin. And once again, the Bucs stymied Christian McCaffrey, who has terrorized four other opponents while garnering early-season consideration for league MVP. McCaffrey scored twice, but he was limited to 57 yards in 26 touches.

* It is galling for Buc fans to witness what has happened since that enchanted evening, when Hargreaves stopped McCaffrey on the goal-line in the final seconds to secure a road victory. The Panthers were 0-2, Cam Newton was hurt and Ron Rivera was in trouble. But here comes Allen, an undrafted free agent who hasn’t been intercepted during Carolina’s 4-game winning streak. Meanwhile, the Bucs have dropped 3-of-4, with all three losses coming against backup quarterbacks.

* The aggressive defensive scheme utilized by Todd Bowles has apparently been figured out. In the past 14 quarters, dating back to the second-half collapse against the Giants, Tampa Bay has allowed 130 points. Who let Mike Smith back into the building?

* Even if the Bucs split in Nashville and Seattle, they would hit the midway mark at 3-5. That’s not acceptable for the Glazers and it’s surely not acceptable for a 2-time Coach of the Year who expected a quick turnaround. This referendum on Winston’s future is tilting sideways. The No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 draft has 10 games remaining to “throw the damn ball away” and stop trying to be Superman.

At the moment, he’s Tampa Bay’s kryptonite.

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217 Responses to “Ira Kaufman’s 10 Takeaways From Bucs-Panthers”

  1. Arealbucsfan Says:

    This is all jus ridiculous. ALL phases failed. Love JW but that was abysmal. Can’t defend him to much, but those 2 backups got manhandled. JW never looked comfortable. Here’s to hoping everybody can come back healthy and prepared after the bye. Plenty of winnable games left.

  2. tmaxcon Says:

    Tom Moore is an Offensive dinosaur not guru and BA’s BS and game day results have proven he is a washed up has been with no hope…. lovie 2.0…. glazers hat tip to you. It takes a lot of skill to be this bad for this long….

  3. thunderchunkyPA Says:

    Sure looks like this could be one and done for BA. How do you bring Licht back if Winston crashes and burns? HV3 is a disaster, and your O line is not good? Sure you have 2 real good W/R’s, but damn, what else? Do you burn it down… again? And if you do, who would take the job to try and build a winner in this quicksand?

  4. The Buc Realist Says:

    Ira Kaufman’s 10 Takeaways?????? What,,, is Ira lined up in the secondary against the inaccurate game manager qb Jay-miss?????????????

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Reality is ….the season is lost!….

  6. Ndog Says:

    Would you be comfortable with getting killed every play, and with no running game, with your #1 WR basically quitting half the time and dropping bombs, and when your TE has stone for hands?

  7. Pete I Says:

    Looks like the Titans have the ability to bench Mariota at least they can see it’s time to move on…well maybe they do. Who knows what the Bucs see?

  8. Anonymous Says:

    Newsflash. This is Winston, and it’s unsat, and if there is anyone thinking after six games that look just like the last five years, get your head examined. Don’t even think about franchise tag because that will kill the salary cap, and no way are they talking to Winston about long term now either. In about 5 weeks, they are playing for “nothing.” After that, what Winston does is worth the same….NOTHING.

    Pretty sure the decision is made. Winston is gone after this year.

  9. Duthsty Rhothdes Says:

    Pete… spot on; mariotta & winston will be backups in 2020 somewhere

  10. D-Rome Says:

    I recall many years where Russell Wilson played behind a worse offensive line. Matt Ryan has played behind a worse and gutless offensive line. Many quarterbacks play behind bad offensive lines. That excuse is not good enough for Jay-Miss. There are plays to be made on the field, starting with not passing the ball to the other team and fumbling the ball. I just watched Sam Darnold get sacked. He didn’t fumble the football.

  11. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    TBBF’s Ten Takeaways

    1. Interception #1
    2. Interception #2
    3. Interception #3
    4. Fumble #1
    5 Dropped Pass #1
    6. Interception #4
    7. Fumble #2
    8. Dropped Pass #2
    9 Dropped Pass #3
    10. Interception #5

  12. Bobby Says:

    I’m ready for RG to take over at QB. The Winston experiment is over. We’ll pick high enough to get a decent QB in the draft.

  13. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Sadly, it’s now obvious that 2015 wasn’t the year of the QB as far as Tampa Bay and Tennessee are concerned.

    Of even more concern, 2016 was an even worse draft for Tampa Bay. No one except Jason Licht survived that one. It’s time to fix that too.

    Fire Jason Licht and start over. It’s well past time to pay the Piper, Jason.

  14. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Alex Smith and the Redskins were down multiple linemen when they played us last year. No excuses
    Carolina was down a corner and their starting QB today, no excuses.
    For every “dropped” ball by Mike Evans or OJ Howard, there is an equally dropped INTERCEPTION from a Carolina or Saints DB over these past 2 weeks. No excuses.

    According to the #WinstonDefenseForce, all wINTston needs is an All-Pro offensive line to be healthy for the entire season and he might be fine.

  15. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Winston has such a fragile and weak ego that he needs Blaine Gabbert of all people to be his backup QB, otherwise he knows he is (rightfully) in danger like he was with Fitzpatrick.

    Winston could never survive with Tannenhill as a backup QB.

  16. DB55 Says:

    Per Jenna Laine:

    Jameis Winston just threw his 100th career touchdown — he becomes the only QB to reach 100 passing TDs with the Bucs and one of just five in NFL history to do at age 25 or younger. The others? Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Matthew Stanford and Drew Bledsoe.

  17. JimmyJack Says:

    Holy crap TBBF…….It looked that bad but I didn’t believe it til you actually just said it.

    Does this team have some off-field issues or something? That would explain a lot.

  18. Ndog Says:

    BTW we have allowed 30 plus points in all but 1 game this year. But yeah let’s all just talk about the QB.

  19. WeeManOfScots Says:

    DB55…those QB’s won games and a whole lot of them at that…

  20. WeeManOfScots Says:

    TBBF…YIKES!!!

  21. Destinjohnny Says:

    We play lime our talent level
    I’ve said it so many times on this site that people have to be sick of hearing it
    No talent no wins no matter who the coach is

  22. Ricordo Says:

    BA came out of retirement to fix the QB or the QB position?

  23. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    NDOG: By all means, lets talk about the points allowed in other games.

    49ers: Winston gives the 49ers 14 points because he threw TWO pick sixes. Defense only really allowed 17 points. The #WinstonDefenseForce has now spun the narrative for the forgetful that the defense has been playing bad all year.

  24. thunderchunkyPA Says:

    BA and Licht are going down with the #3 ship. They have made it clear. No matter how bad this gets, he is the guy. He has almost 5 years worth of playing time, and we still need to wait and see? Licht has killed this franchise with one bad draft pick after another. He never had a plan, and it shows. How can a team keep a GM who has failed on so many levels? The QB is one thing, terrible draft picks, one after another, after another has this team in quicksand.

  25. Sydney Says:

    You know sometime in early December Arians, due to “health concerns,” will bow out of this lost-cause clown show.

    He’s not going to want to be part of the next 5-year teardown and rebuild job.

  26. Ndog Says:

    Tampabaybucfan Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
    TBBF’s Ten Takeaways

    1. Interception #1 due to crappy effort by our #1 WR
    2. Interception #2 due to crappy RT play
    3. Interception #3
    4. Fumble #1
    5 Dropped Pass #1 that would have been a 85 yard TD
    6. Interception #4 after another play where our #1 WR did not come back to the ball
    7. Fumble #2
    8. Dropped Pass #2
    9 Dropped Pass #3
    10. Interception #5 where our #1 WR didn’t even bother to turn around.

    There I fixed it for you.

  27. Rayjay1122 Says:

    We never improve because we rarely make splash signings in the free agent market and our premium draft picks are either busts or not used properly.

    Devin White- very small sample size but not good at all so far.
    Vita Vea- Looks like a solid pro when healthy but we will always wonder if Derwin would have helped us more with that pick.

    OJ Howard- Has skills but isn’t used enough and was not a position of need. I judge that a bad pick.

    VHIII- Huge bust……and not in Canton.
    Winston- Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type player. Too inconsistent and not what we hoped for from his draft spot. Heading toward bust designation very soon.

    ME13- Solid but seems to have quit in his intensity. Can’t really blame him, can we?

    And we know the train wreck round 2 has been.

    Great drafts Gump! Maybe you should get a life contract or perhaps just get a life sentence!

  28. DB55 Says:

    Per author jameis1of1:

    If you think Jameis Winston would have a winning TEAM record if he didn’t throw INTs, his team win % in games w/ 0⃣ picks is .480 which points 2 a bad TEAM😱

    Other QBs win% in INT-less games

    Dak = .853
    Goff = .727
    Bridgewater = .714

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Yes…..JFF posters…..just look at it….it looks like you could come up with all sorts of reasons to lose….but when you put it down in black & white…..OOPS, THERE IT IS!!!!

  30. Ndog Says:

    Petty Officer Buc Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:09 pm
    NDOG: By all means, lets talk about the points allowed in other games.

    49ers: Winston gives the 49ers 14 points because he threw TWO pick sixes. Defense only really allowed 17 points. The #WinstonDefenseForce has now spun the narrative for the forgetful that the defense has been playing bad all year.

    No sir I deal in facts, one of those picks vs SF was on Peyton Barber.

  31. DB55 Says:

    Petty

    You can take away the SF game and the def is still giving up 32 ppg at my last count. Slice it and dice it however you want.

  32. Pelbuc61 Says:

    What is galling is the ignorance, arrogance and incompetence of the coach, GM and owners still clinging to some type of delusion that JW will somehow change his ways. In the meantime, Bucs, thanks to numerous holes on the roster year after year, cannot field a competitive team. Every year since Licht has been the GM, the roster is full of mentally and physically weak players and cancers. Bucs need to start the fire sale ASAP starting with the GM.

  33. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    I remember when we won in week 2 against Carolina, and the #WinstonDefenseForce was out in force against the “haters” because it was such a miracle that he went a game without an interception, that they overlooked the fact that he barely had 200 yards passing.

    wINTston is an inconsistent QB who has gotten 2 head coaches fired and will give his third a heart palpation soon.

  34. WeeManOfScots Says:

    Per author jameis1of1:

    That guy or gal is NOT a Bucs fan,has admitted to that..he/she is deadly afraid that if Jameis is a bust, he will lose thousands of dollars..that’s all it is…an investment firm of one person..

    That book on Amazon is atrocious…

    Not a Bucs fan, just afraid of losing all the money he has spent thinking JayMiss would be a Hall of Fame caliber QB…

    And we all know..JayMiss is a bust…

  35. BucsBandit Says:

    DB55,

    It’s a Passing League now more than it has been for those other great QBs. Over the next few years we’ll see many young QBs putting up those kinds of numbers. And so much of Winston’s yardage/TDs have come in garbage time when the game is already out of reach. Most coaches would sit a struggling QB once a game was out of reach but for whatever reason Bucs coaches always let Winston finish the game even if we’re down by 24 points.

  36. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    You could have the 85 Chicago bears defense out there today and they would have given up 30 points because:

    1) Crappy field position due to to multiple turnovers deep in enemy territory
    2) Multiple Three and Outs from Winston

    Just what I want from my Franchise QB!

  37. DB55 Says:

    Ndog

    The first fumble there was a defender in the throwing lane so JW pulled the ball back down and then got hit again. Lmao hilarious bc the kid has zero time to think much less throw.

  38. Tye Says:

    This team would be so much better off without JW… Imagine being on the team playing your best just to watch JW give the ball back again and again and put more on you to overcome his deficiencies… He is holding this team back and wasting good talent with his nonsense…

  39. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Many of Jamyth’s “completions “are poorly placed balls… KISS… Jamyth is a bad NFL QB… BS on comparing is first 100 TDS to other era QBs…

  40. DB55 Says:

    Weeman

    But is the data accurate? That’s all that matters.

  41. BucsBandit Says:

    NDog you’re such a perennial homer. So much so that your defend-Winston-at-all-costs-no-matter-how-bad-he plays is truly incredible.

    I’m starting to think maybe you’re just a professional troll and don’t think Jameis is good at all you post the nonsense you do to get people worked up.

    Sorry, bud, but Jameis Winston sucks as an NFL franchise QB and anyone with a pair of eyes and an IQ over 90 knows it.

  42. D-Rome Says:

    I just found out Mariota was benched. Jay-Miss should be next. Both QBs had great moments but they are not good enough to lead their teams to wins.

  43. DB55 Says:

    This team would get blown out 50-0 every week without JW.

    Only Russell Wilson could play behind the line and at least Wilson’s receivers can catch.

    Brate and Godwin the only ballers on the squad. Mikey Mike get soft, sad to say but I think Djax might have rubbed to much diva juice on him.

  44. WeeManOfScots Says:

    DB55…

    This game requires WINS…pull up the stats on wins vs losses on those aforementioned QBs…

    You can have garbage stats but at the end of the day, how many points does Jaymiss give to the OTHER team??

    This is the league of wins and losses…heck even Chinese Checker tournaments are based on w’s vs L’s…

  45. BucsBandit Says:

    Petty Officer Buc,

    Exactly. What these clowns don’t realize is that our Defense is made 10X worse because Jameis gives opposing teams the ball on a short field. It crushes momentum, doesn’t give our D a chance to rest, and sets them up to fail.

    JAMEIS WINSTON IS THE WORST PLAYER ON OUR DEFENSE.

  46. Waterboy Says:

    Jameis makes so many mistakes by himself that no one else can afford to make a mistake and still have a shot at winning.

  47. DB55 Says:

    Wee

    Let’s make sure we’re on the same page. The quote says that even when JW doesn’t throw any interceptions or has turnovers the Bucs win .480 percent of the time. Less than half their games.

    Meanwhile other QBs with far less than 100 TDs in the nfl win 70%+ when no TOs.

    The point is that Jameis or no Jameis the “TEAM” sucks regardless. Where am I going wrong?

  48. King C Says:

    Where are all the Gerald McCoy haters at
    They went quiet this game for some reason

  49. King C Says:

    If it’s any consolation, Winston is bad but Mariota is even worse

  50. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis was good in college. He stinks in the pros. It happens. Get over it.
    Move on.

  51. Bucofama Says:

    DB55 Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:26 pm
    This team would get blown out 50-0 every week without JW.

    ——————
    Dumbest comment….EVER.
    Given JW’s interceptions and resulting points from those turnovers, I suggest other teams would score LESS without this bozo.

  52. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    This team is just as inconsistent with Fitzpatrick as it is with Winston, except Fitzpatrick could inspire the team in flashes.

    Does anybody think that Fitzpatrick is a franchise QB? Is he worth 30 million? If this team would get blown out 50-0 without wINTston, can we please try? It’s not like we are winning with him. The #WinstonDefenseForce is scared of a backup outplaying the anointed savior from FSU.

  53. Ndog Says:

    BucsBandit Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:26 pm
    Petty Officer Buc,

    Exactly. What these clowns don’t realize is that our Defense is made 10X worse because Jameis gives opposing teams the ball on a short field. It crushes momentum, doesn’t give our D a chance to rest, and sets them up to fail.

    JAMEIS WINSTON IS THE WORST PLAYER ON OUR DEFENSE.

    So we gave up 500 passing yards to Jared Goff because of Jameis’s 365 yard 4 TD game? We let a first game rookie carve us up because of Jameis’s 4 first half TDs and 18 point lead?

    Bandit you are about as dumb as a rock but that would be insulting to rocks.

  54. AwShbucs Says:

    I Blame you sage.

    You know by know that you are destined to go 0-for picking Bucs games this season. But your foolish pride prevented you from using your powers for good.

    I jest of course good sir. We stink out loud and that’s not your fault.

  55. DBS Says:

    Why does our #1 receiver have to come back to the ball? Oh that’s right because it’s under thrown again. Another constant. Under or over throw. But it does not matter. Becaue still we have a suck defense.
    #Bucsdefensedoesnotrule!

  56. DB55 Says:

    Jameis has given this team 20+ point leads at the half and they’ve still managed to lose those games.

    Guys the Bucs have less than a .400 lifetime yes LIFETIME winning record. This franchise will suck long after Winston is gone. Not sure why that’s so hard for you to understand.

    Brady scored 4 fantasy football points a few weeks ago 4 and the pats are undefeated.

    Matt Ryan once three 5 ints in a game and the falcons still won.

    No 1 person wins or losses a game unless we’re talking about vh3 or McIceCream lol.

  57. Defense Rules Says:

    Ndog … I’ve tried hard to keep an open mind this year about Jameis, but today threw me over the edge. He was in ‘survival mode’ most of the game it looked like … head bobbing, feet dancing, zero comfort in the pocket. Worst of all though, it didn’t look like he was ‘seeing the field’ … he seemed to have ‘tunnel vision’ far too often. I think that’s what caused at least 2, maybe 3, of his INTs.

    The OLine certainly didn’t help, and neither did his receivers or our RBs. But worst of all IMO, our OC Byron Leftwich seemed to do virtually nothing to help Jameis regain control of the situation. Keeping Miller & Wilson in there was ridiculous, as were those attempts at deep passes. Also had Jameis taking too many 5-7-step drops I thought. Should’ve just let him operate out of a shotgun (since we weren’t running anyways) and throw a bunch of short passes. Interestingly though, Winston was sacked THREE times in the 1st qtr OPERATING IN THE SHOTGUN … duh. That should never happen.

    Jameis is frazzled right now though, and this team is gonna lose any remaining confidence in him if he pulls this act again. Right now I’d rather see what Ryan Griffin can do with this hot mess. My gut feel is ‘Probably Nothing’ but at least that could help put things in perspective.

  58. Ndog Says:

    Ok guys let’s say we cut Jameis today. Now what we about to explode with our dominating running game, our wall like oline and our lock down defense?

    At this point I want Jameis gone so we can get rid of all these idiot fans who have no idea what they are talking about.

    THIS TEAM IS GARBAGE PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Name the last team that couldn’t pass protect, couldn’t run, couldn’t return a punt, couldn’t rush the passer and can’t cover and still win regardless of who is playing QB?

  59. DB55 Says:

    Dbs

    Bc its a comeback route aka a curl route. Lmao omfg you people can’t possibly be this dumb.

  60. DooshLaRue Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 11:37 am
    This might be it folks. Yes this team is horrible but THAT throw cannot happen. At this point you might need to pull him BUT if you do it is over for good here.

  61. Bird Says:

    You know how hard it is to commit 6 turnovers …all by yourself …

    I give him credit there

  62. Buc believer Says:

    Iras 10 take always should be…
    1. The Glazers suck
    2. Jameis sucks
    3.Jason Licht sucks
    4. Bruce Arians sucks
    5.Todd Bowles sucks
    6.Byron Leftwich sucks
    7. The remaining 5 million coaching staff/sports psychologists suck
    8.The offensive line sucks
    9. The secondary sucks
    10. The NFL sucks for giving us this crappy schedule

  63. Bird Says:

    Somebody said earlier

    “It looked like he was playing madden with the joystick upside down “

  64. Ndog Says:

    DBS Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:36 pm
    Why does our #1 receiver have to come back to the ball? Oh that’s right because it’s under thrown again. Another constant. Under or over throw.

    Dude you did not just post the above did you? You should be embarrassed. It was not under thrown it was on a line drive but on those throws you always work back to the ball, dude get a clue.

  65. T REX Says:

    Bottom line is Winston is hot garbage and a loser. Throw him in the trash and start over. Take any of his fanboys with you.

  66. Bobby M. Says:

    By mid season, which is quickly approaching, the Bucs will have made the decision on Winston’s value/future with the organization.

  67. DooshLaRue Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 11:35 am
    Now that was HORRIBLE if his arm wasn’t hit. That was God AWFUL.

  68. DBS Says:

    No it was not db55. That is what you are making it to cover for him. We do know better even if you think we don’t.

  69. DooshLaRue Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 11:37 am
    This might be it folks. Yes this team is horrible but THAT throw cannot happen. At this point you might need to pull him BUT if you do it is over for good here.

  70. DooshLaRue Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 11:35 am
    Now that was HORRIBLE if his arm wasn’t hit. That was God AWFUL.

  71. Ndog Says:

    Bird Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:40 pm
    You know how hard it is to commit 6 turnovers …all by yourself …

    So much so that he didn’t. Only two of those TOs were on him. Now that’s two too many but still on two on him.

    I know your response but those are the FACTS.

  72. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    You gotta give the #WinstonDefenseForce credit. When he throws for 200 yards in week 2, he is the GOAT. When he commits 6 turnovers in week 6, it’s not his fault.

    And here I thought the Scientologists were the biggest cult in town.

  73. DB55 Says:

    Bottom line (although many of you don’t like facts) is that Jameis Winston is the most decorated Quarterback in franchise history and he did it all by the age of 25.

    Most of you were still trying to pass your GED exam at 25.

  74. DBS Says:

    Like I said to you before Ndog. It’s always somebody else.

  75. Ndog Says:

    Thanks Doosh your proving that I am critical of all players. You the man, thanks bro.

  76. University of Seffner Says:

    “Who let Mike Smith back into the building?” LOL

  77. Ndog Says:

    Proof above, via Doosh, that you are wrong yet again DBS.

  78. Bucsfan951 Says:

    I want to be Ndoggys son. I can be a pos and he would defend me all day long.

  79. DooshLaRue Says:

    ndog

    Hey buddy, rough day for a Nuthugger I’m sure.
    I furnished you above with two things, other than JWs testes, that I know you crave.

    Facts
    Assinine redundancy

    Enjoy little fella…. and keep on fighting!

    Anybody heard from the Muncher?

  80. DB55 Says:

    DBs

    Search Jenna Lane on Twitter. Her first post breaks down the play for you brother. I’ll post the link separately in case you don’t know how to search twitter.

  81. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Being the most decorated Bucs QB is like being the tallest guy at a dwarf convention.

    #WinstonDefenseForce needs better talking points. Contact your FSU alumni Boosters for further instructions.

  82. StonedBuc Says:

    Has jamies ever WON a game for us? Like he had to come back from 2 or 3 tds back and lead drives?

  83. DB55 Says:

    DBs

    Just click on the link below. Okay buddy, let me know if you need help.

    https://twitter.com/jennalaineespn/status/1183483991908855809?s=21

  84. Ndog Says:

    I know you all hate when I blame everyone who is responsible not just one player. I know accountability sucks but that’s life.

  85. Ndog Says:

    Stoned did you actually watch the Rams game?

  86. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Not sure what Justin Watson did to get in the doghouse but he was active and can’t be as bad as BooBoo or Scotty Miller.

  87. DB55 Says:

    Stoned.

    Are we counting games where the kicker made or missed game winning FGs bc he’s had a lot of those. Lol

  88. A Train Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 7:13 pm

    No sir I deal in facts, one of those picks vs SF was on Peyton Barber.

    According to Dave Moore (retired NFL TE) on Bucs radio, Winston had no business throwing that ball out there in that situation, that was also on Winston.

    Retired NFL player and NFL radio Announcer > Ndog (Winston sycophant)

  89. BucsBandit Says:

    NDog,

    I didn’t say Jameis was the sole reason our Defense has sucked in many games, I’m saying he makes them worse.

    Are you honestly telling me that a QB that turns the ball over and puts the D in in a bad position isn’t making them worse? AND… Those guys on D fly around and get tired. They need to be able to rest as much as possible to play their best. Are you trying to tell me that a QB that can consistently sustain drives to keep his Defense off the field isn’t helping the D by giving them more rest?

    C’mon, man, your Winston-homer takes are bordering on the absurd now.

    Do you think the Raiders were better off finally dumping Russell even though their entire team was trash? Or what about the Dolphins today benching Rosen? Or the Titans benching Mariota? Or ANY NFL team moving on from a QB that’s playing badly even if the team is bad too?

    Your “logic” is that the QB position can’t possibly be independently analyzed by itself. Yes, that’s your take!

    At what point DO YOU realize that a QB isn’t cutting it? In your eyes it seems like Winston deserves a 20-year contract no matter how badly he plays. That we need to just stick with him.

  90. ElioT Says:

    DB55,

    Dude I believe you’re an educated fan but you’re outta line claiming “Diva Juice” rubbing off on Evans.

    He’s one of the best WRs in the game with the least attitude. He very rarely dances or show boats like these modern divas and usually always seems very humble in any interview. No trouble off the field and had set records (while not touching the ball every down like a QB).

    Meanwhile you can’t seem to accept any criticism on Jameis for anything.

    Seems like Jameis can do no wrong in your eyes unless he has a complete and healthy all pro offensive line, back field and reviving corps.

  91. DB55 Says:

    Petty

    So you agree that the team and franchise as a whole has always sucked and there not much a young QB can do to win games for this pathetic franchise and fan base with little to no help. That’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day. Congrats

  92. BucsBandit Says:

    DB55,

    Jameis Winston isn’t the most decorated QB in Bucs history. There’s no bigger “decoration” than the LOMBARDI TROPHY that Brad Johnson got for us.

    So many other Bucs QB have more WINS and winning seasons and also playoff wins than Winston.

  93. Bucsfanman Says:

    Blah, blaah, blaaaaah! You know who runs out excuses? That’s right, LOSERS!

    The QB couldn’t quarterback, the WRs/TEs couldn’t catch (stop with OJ already!), blockers couldn’t block, runners couldn’t run, returners couldn’t return, DL couldn’t pressure, DBs couldn’t cover, coaches couldn’t coach, and the GM should be fired today.
    Other than that though, we looked pretty good!
    Oh yeah, but wait, excuses…………

  94. DB55 Says:

    Elliot

    No you’re right it breaks my heart to say it bc mike used to be a rn a real g but lately he’s been playing like McIceCream.

    He actually did the DJax impersonation at the rams game dancing at the end zone before scoring, member that?

    Week 1 and week 2 was all but but jaymiss can’t hit anybody in stride yet Godwin seems to have no trouble catching jaymiss passes mike though not so much. Am I wrong?

    But what actually bothers me most is it seems like mike been throwing shade at JW recently so if you’re going to pout son you need to catch the ball when it hits your hands. I count 3 big plays in 2 weeks he’s dropped and I’m not counting today’s int. Mike needs to check himself before he riggity wrecks himself. Kidding but not really.

  95. AwShbucs Says:

    Ndog is spot on with his analysis. Mike Evan’s was out of it today and let Jameis down big time on 3 huge plays that would have completely changed the game. He was hit while throwing on one pick, cant put that on him. The 2nd fumble and the pick to Kuechly were squarely on Jameis tho.

    OJ played like garbage all game save 1 catch. And the Oline was a mess pretty much the whole game giving up quick pressures all day as the right side was abused. Dont know why we couldnt have flipped Ali to Rg for 1 week to give us at least a little bit of balance across the line.

    And the running game wasnt there. Despite all of this, Jameis was still making Nfl throws when given any amount of time to throw and as always did a fantastic job of being evasive and avoiding sacks to make plays down the field. And he had us in the game all the way up until the the end. Didnt show a lick of quit.

    I honestly just felt bad for Jameis today…

  96. Bucsfanman Says:

    To touch on OJ Howard for a minute, does anyone else feel like we have way too high expectations for this guy? He is dropping passes he shouldn’t. Just sayin’! Maybe it’s why he’s not getting looks?

  97. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    I’ve claimed all day that the team sucks with or without wINTston. My point is what more do you need to see from wINTston? He isn’t the “X” factor that can overcome a bad pass defense like Patrick Mahomes did in 2018. He is at the end of a 5 year contract and is due some serious money. It’s time to move on from wINTston and see if our backup has anything special like is seems HALF OF THE REST OF THE NFL does.

    But I am taking any other QB rookie or veteran for way cheaper next year and improving the offensive line with the saved cap space versus hoping wINTston clicks in year 6, then year 7, then year 8.

  98. rrsrq Says:

    Jameis is who Jameis is. I get when you throw into coverage, us usually our receivers do not get much separation, ball may get intercepted. But he throws the ball to some defenses , like the one to Luke K (by the way nice move by Dare to score), like the one to the Giants LB and so on and on and on, too many unforced INTs. The fumbles, just get rid of the ball, how long does it take to learn the basics

  99. Anglican Says:

    A QB with a .383 win avera over 4 1/4 seasons has no reason to be in the nfl

  100. rrsrq Says:

    The Bucs could take a page from the Panthers, feed ROJO, he should be up to 20 touches per game, Godwin 10-15 targets, ME 7-10 targets, Peyton Barber, when we are up by 20 with 5 minutes remaining, OJ and Brate, might need them to block and red zone

  101. DB55 Says:

    Rrarq

    I’m guessing more than the 2 secs he gets to throw the ball but wtfdik

  102. Bird Says:

    Dbs5

    You commented on 100 tds. You are right. Good job . Give the man credit

    Don’t forget 87 turnovers too
    68 INTs and 19 lost fumbles
    Most turnovers since in nfl
    Leads nfl again this year with 10 already

    But let me guess ..I know .. let’s not count the turnovers

    And glad to see you turn on mike Evans. Classic

  103. DB55 Says:

    You guys seriously underestimate what pressure, hits and sacks do to a qb. Any QBs. Every single qb to ever play the game except Russell Wilson.

  104. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    The #WinstonDefenseForce would have you focus on Mike Evans dropping balls today but would caution you to ignore the multiple INT’s last week against the saints that were negated by penalties and the dropped INTs by the Giants, Saints, Kwon Alexander, and Panthers today.

  105. Rayjay1122 Says:

    DB55 says WTFDIK…….answer= Absolutely nothing!

  106. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    What do you call a QB who has 5 picks & a fumble & a QBR of 10.1?

    Joe calls him “America’s Quarterback”

    I’ve been a supporter of JW but it’s finally time to stop the BS…….

  107. ElioT Says:

    DB,

    Yes, I remember the Evan’s dance into the end zone in LA, it’s not my style but when you see what most of these kids are doing these days just for a first down, I think Mike deserved that moment. We can’t expect them all to just hand the ball to the ref and adjust their jock like Alstott.

    He’s caught plenty of TDs when the Bucs we’re behind and politely flips the ball to the ref and runs back to the sidelines or huddle.

    If anything I would say Evans is the kind of dude that no matter how much bank he’s making or how many stats he’s put up, he is not happy being part of a sh*t show like this team. He’s in his prime and it’s being wasted by this team.

    There’s probably some frustrations between him and Jameis too. It happens.

    I’m not a Jameis-basher but Evans has proved more in his time than Winston has and there are 31 other QBs that would absolutely love to have Evans out wide.

  108. DB55 Says:

    Bird

    I said he holds every record. All of them.

    And yea even mike said it himself he needs to play better. Ever Michael Irvin said Mike quit on more than one pass including the deep bomb so yea he reminds me of Djax what can I say? It sucks I hate it but it’s facts.

    As for JW turnovers the second fumble the one he lost is 100% on him. Everything else is due to pressure, hits and receivers f’n up.

  109. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    LOL DB55 you’re one of those incessant FSU homers that would be loving Winston still if he coughed up the ball 12 times a game.

    THE JAMEIS WINSTON DEFENSE FORCE CONTINUES TO BE OUT STOMPING OUT DISSENTERS IN THE RANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WE THE ACTUAL FANS KNOW THE TRUTH THAT WINSTON IS DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  110. DB55 Says:

    Elliot

    I luv me some ME I was just pointing out how he’s been reminding me of Djax lately as to your point. But yea we’re on the same page Mike is a beast he just needs to play like it. I mean if Godwin can go out there and sacrifice himself every play why not everybody else.

  111. Bird Says:

    I hear yah. Evans did not have a good game

    He still caught 12 tds from mike glennon and McCown.

  112. Ndog Says:

    I’m done with you guys I have more important things to think about. Like if I want to still pay for this crap after going to all but one game for the last 26 years.

  113. DB55 Says:

    Actually haven’t watched an FSU game all year or last year for that matter. But whatever floats your boat guy.

  114. BucsBandit Says:

    LOL @ You Winston-Clowns now turning against Mike Evans, the greatest WR the Bucs have ever had and a most-likely Hall Of Famer.

  115. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We have a WHOLE lot more to worry about than Mike Evans……sure, he is human and misses here and there but he makes Godwin a much better target and is a beast to cover…..
    Do I need to make a list of players that aren’t performing?

  116. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    LOL

    IMAGINE TURNING ON MIKE

    He wasn’t great but so many things were bad it’s hard to pin it on him.

  117. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Maybe the #WinstonDefenseForce thinks we should cut Mike Evans for Kelvin Benjamin? Now there was a receiver who had Chemistry with Pro Bowler Jamies Winston. Not like these bums like DeSean Jackson and Mike Evans.

  118. DB55 Says:

    The videos are all out there for you to view. Even the int by Luke was due to pressure. JW doesn’t need an all-pro oline although that would help him and the run game for sure. He just needs a line that gives him more than 2 secs to throw especially when it takes him 2.46 secs to release the pass. Simple as that.

    What’s ironic is that this is all Lovie’s fault bc in his infinite wisdom he decided that his first course of action should be to blow up the oline and replace guys like Penn with Anthony Collins. JW just has ptsd from 4 years of being beat to chit.

    And yea Fitz gave you hope especially when he got blown out by the Steelers, bears, redskins and any other team he faced that had tape on him. Smh you guys are funny.

  119. DB55 Says:

    What has MeJax been up to lately?

  120. Bucofama Says:

    Gotta love this comment from an article by Gabe Fernandez at Deadspin:

    “You really have to applaud Winston for his commitment to sucking this hard at his job, especially when you consider that his traditional competition in the turnover race, Blake Bortles, has been relegated to the bench full-time. It’s that kind of dedication to his craft that truly separates him from the rest.”

  121. BucsFan76 Says:

    Comedy how people are trying to justify 6 turnovers by 1 player.

  122. TeethingBrat Says:

    Notice how the media overlords, a.k.a. NFL owners whi own the media, won’t allow reporters to criticize the true fault of the players such as Winston

  123. JimmyJack Says:

    When’s all said and done you can almost always find some type of rhym or reason to make a excuse for a mistake.

    If some fans want to search for that excuse they will always find something. That’s their perogitive.

    Then when the dust settles we are left with what Bird said ……The most turnovers in the league. Again this year Winston has risen to the top yet again.

    Maybe Winston does actually turn it around but there is no real evidence to suggest he can. He had a chance to redeem himself today and he showed he was incapable…..just like he always has. This is a repeated pattern that hasn’t changed in five years and thinking it will now is baseless. We all like certain guys and we all like certain players but when they just aren’t good enough there always comes a point in time we must admitt they just were never good enough.

    It’s coming to that time for Winston here. I been one of his biggest fans and it’s hard to admitt but the guy just aren’t good enough. Excuse this singular game all you want but we all know deep down this is not a single game problem. It’s been 5 full years. Honestly this freaking hurts. But it’s coming to the point where we gotta move beyond. Sucks but it happens every day in sports.

  124. Tbbucs3 Says:

    So Devin Bush looks a whole lot better than Devin White, night and day

  125. mark2001 Says:

    Jameis said this…
    “No, I’ve had a lot of bad games, but hopefully I’ll play more good games than bad games.”

    So I’m off the Jameis bandwagon, officially. Any QB that thinks this isn’t a franchise QB. The reality is that a real franchise QB can’t have more than one or two games like the two bad ones he has already had this year, in an entire season. Hopefully more good ones than bad ones is about an 8-8 team leading QB.

  126. BucsBandit Says:

    DB55,

    You do realize that ALL QBs get pressured right? There’s no OL in the league that keeps the rush from getting through. It’s the NFL. But you do get hit more the longer you hold the ball, and that’s one of Winston’s biggest problems.

    So how come Winston can complete 30+ passes and have 400 yards yet somehow the OL isn’t blocking for him???

    C’mon, man, Winston has plenty of opportunities to make things happen and fails to do it.

  127. T REX Says:

    Look at the Winston fan boys crying in every thread. WAAAAHHHHHH.

    Buncha lil fsu punks. We don’t need you. We sure as Hellll don’t need Winston who basically has a 1:1 TD to turnover ratio. That is the definition of suck. Our defense doesn’t make him turn it over faster than pancakes at IHOP.

    Stop whining and go play with your Winston blow up dolls. I’m tired of Winston and his corky like fanboys stinking up the joint. PUNKS!

  128. DB55 Says:

    What comical is having 4 years to build an oline and troting Earl wartford and Wells out there. Or Dotson and Caleb cannotblock. That’s comical but if you can do better please do.

    10 years and 1 winning season? 11 years no playoffs. Go ahead trade, bench, cut Jameis. He can do better elsewhere either nfl or mlb.

    You guys can go back to your pick up trucks constructions jobs although I’m positive some of youz own landscaping businesses. Remember don’t drink and drive or meth and drive considering the audience. Lmao

  129. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    This isn’t the first time in the history of the world a college QB hasn’t lived up to expectations.

    Matt Leinart, Vince Young, Sam Bradford, Mark Sanchez. All supposed to be great Franchise QB’s. The teams learn to move on and usually the QB’s don’t find success with other teams. Some guys just aren’t cut out for the pros for whatever reason. Life goes on.

  130. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    The #WinstonDefenseForce is now resorting to ad hominem attacks against strawmen opponents in their minds.

  131. BucsBandit Says:

    JimmyJack,

    HOW DARE YOU!

    How dare you turn on the mighty Jameis Winston! He’s the QB of our team and if you don’t support him you’re not a real Bucs fan!

    (Sound familiar?)

  132. mark2001 Says:

    DB55…

    Does this sound like the mentality of a franchise QB to you? One that can lead you to the playoffs and SB?

    “No, I’ve had a lot of bad games, but hopefully I’ll play more good games than bad games.”

    Come on man…I’ve been rooting for him… But this kind of thinking from a QB sounds like a second or third string QB.. Not a franchise QB. What in the world would possess him to say such a thing? It is mind blowing.

  133. Ndog Says:

    Let’s just stop arguing. It doesn’t matter, let’s just say Jameis plays perfect we will still lose cause we can’t stop anyone so what difference does it make. We suck period end of story, that should piss us all off. Frankly I’m just tired of it all. Every coach we get sucks, almost every draft we pick is wrong, just everything SUCKS!!!!!

  134. JimmyJack Says:

    No DB55…….it’s not at all that simple. If it were this would not be a 5 year problem.

    We have all witnessed this guy for 5 full seasons and tryed to disect and make sense of all of it. It’s not getting better and it’s never gotten better in the entire time. This is a repeated patern of bad inconsistent QB play. Dissecting game film from a few bad play today will get us nowhere.

    No matter what excuse you wanna make you can look at straight evidence of purely inexcusable plays today. It has been this way for a entire half decade.

    Hey hope for a miracle comback this year all you want. I will join you. But do realize it is unlikely. It’s in your best interest……oh wait your a new york fan aren’t you? So you don’t even care.convienent

  135. DB55 Says:

    Mark

    PTSD bro that’s all I have.

  136. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    The #WinstonDefenseForce is slowly losing their minds and is now frothing with racism in support of wINTston

  137. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Next year Winston will be a backup on a division foe.

  138. DB55 Says:

    It’s funny bc when you guys post racist stuff it’s cool see Pittshore but when it gets thrown back at you it’s a problem. Welcome to the south.

  139. Ndog Says:

    I’ve said it before if Jameis goes after this year he will go to the Patriots and from there we all know what will happen.

  140. JimmyJack Says:

    Bandit I support the team above all. And I will continue to support Winston and hope he can get it together.

    That’s it. Very simple. If he gonna stay as my QB then he is who I will need to lead my team to victory.

  141. DB55 Says:

    Ndog

    He can go to the jets and win more game than in this pathetic town.

    Look at the rays, zero attendance all year then they make the playoffs and the roaches come out of nowhere to “support” their team.

  142. tgregs Says:

    They could have avoided this debacle last year by voiding Lame Ass’es contract..like they did with Muscle Hamster. Instead they decieded to further ruin this pathetic franchise by paying Freeman the 2nd a salary no NFL team, no matter how crazy, would take, Forget any trade talk. Jame Ass is our albatross for the year

    Sorry for the big words DB55 I can dummy down if you need

  143. T REX Says:

    DB55 – You’re a racist. Plain and simple. We’ll leave it at that and you have shown your true colors. Karma is on the way. SMDH. I hope the hate in your heart goes away someday. You have no place on this board. Hopefully, Joe can read this and agree.

  144. tgregs Says:

    NDog
    Really? The Patriots would take someone this stupid! That’s laughable

  145. Jean Lafitte Says:

    They scored 20 points out of 37 on short fields and after a turnover. Take away those short field turnovers and they scored 17. Stop throwing cover for JW. He hurts the team more than he helps. Let’s not forget that he touches the ball on every single play. The ball and game goes through him. When he stinks we usually stink, and this game, he stunk. Bad Jameis

  146. JimmyJack Says:

    DB55….Why are you worried about Tampa Bay fan support.

    Simple question. Are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

  147. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Daily reminder DB55 is a northeast transplant probably a yankee fan with an identity crisis that seems to be losing his mind over Jameis winston not being able to throw a football consistently

  148. DB55 Says:

    The Bucs won 2 games (barely). 1 where cam was hurt and the other took a 55 point effort. GD 55 point effort. 55 points. Which part of that is hard to comprehend? It took 55 points to win a game 55.

  149. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Can’t we all just get along?

  150. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Ppl love to hate on FSU players but Jason Licht just picked the wrong ones. Dalvin and Derwin James we’re both available but Jason Licht took BoBo and Aguayo.

    I even told Jason Licht to his face (politely) to draft Dalvin Cook at a Clemson Alabama tailgate (true story) and he didn’t listen and he was dead wrong.

    #FireLicht.

  151. JimmyJack Says:

    Jean well stayed…….But there is no reason to truely argue it no more. Our QB has been a porblem here for 5 years now. Those who aren’t yet convinced likely never will be. Though it is still possible he gives us an epic run of football. Anything’s possible……..Just let the nugglers keep defending him until the inevitable ocurrs. Or a miracle.

  152. Ndog Says:

    tgregs Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 9:01 pm
    NDog
    Really? The Patriots would take someone this stupid! That’s laughable

    I’ve heard that about Talib and Blount as well and how’d that turn out?

  153. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Can we at least agree to this:

    Winston had a bad game…..as did Evans…..as did our defense…..as did our Oline…..poor coaching….etc.

    The only player who was perfect was Matt Gay…..who would have thunk it?

  154. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Can we just ban all FSU Homers from this website that seem to think if this team drafted all FSU players it would be the powerhouse of the NFC.

  155. DB55 Says:

    Daily reminder DB55 is a northeast transplant probably a yankee fan with an identity crisis that seems to be losing his mind over Jameis winston not being able to throw a football consistently
    —————-
    Pretty much. I grew up watching real teams play real football. Belicheat continues this tradition.

    I just can’t deal with stupid people who think they know but don’t know chit. Case in point the other day I’m having a discussion with this guy and he’s saying Winston holds the ball too long, he’s adamant about it. So I pull up nextgen stats showing Winston improving from week 1, 3.02 secs to week 4 2.48 secs and he says yea well he doesn’t win enough.

    Pick a subject and prove your point. These dummies keep moving the target. Like Winston didn’t put the team in a position to beat the giants.

    Just one example but yea I just can’t stand stupid people man call it a character flaw.

  156. Ndog Says:

    Yeah let’s talk about that the horrible coaching. How many times can we run a blitz and never get home when we clearly can’t cover? Also we have to backups playing in the oline yet we run long developing routes all day and ONE screen vs a very good pass rush team. What the heck is their deal.

  157. DB55 Says:

    Tbbucs

    That’s bc they’re all “thugs”. #code

    Welcome to the south. Lol

  158. JimmyJack Says:

    Tamoabuscbro…….More accurately DB55 has been narrowed down to being a new york fan……Maybe a transplant but also just as likely you who has been primarily Flo Grown that was raised by yankees improperly…….I personally know quite a few “yankee” fans that never called that city their home off the teet.

    Just haven’t been able to confirm if ol DB is a jet or giant fan…..Based on his fear of revealing my guess is jet fan.

  159. Tbbucs3 Says:

    The funny part is is that most of your arguing right now wouldn’t be this hostile in real life. Most people are pretty civil in real life especially at sporting events but it’s online where real toxic behavior comes out.

    Never have witnessed an actual heated Jameis argument at a Bucs game or any where else in the real world. Has any one else??

  160. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Man imagine openly admitting to being a patriots fan while trying to get your team to keep a bad QB you seem to be convinced is an all pro that it’s not his fault he had one of the worst games by an NFL QB in the modern era.

  161. Ndog Says:

    Again what’s the deal with people caring about where our players went to school?

  162. Jean Lafitte Says:

    They should strive to score 55 points every game but they don’t. With the way the rules are slanted in favor of the passing game today, teams are easily putting up 30 points a game. We don’t.

    Jameis will put up garbage time yards and scores when the game is already pretty much decided.

  163. Tbbucs3 Says:

    If people acted like they did on JoeBucsFan at Raymond James Stadium it would be chaos lol

  164. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Don’t ask me Ndog so many people seem 100% convinced if we drafted all FSU players we would have solved all the problems with this team.

  165. Ndog Says:

    Jean when you can’t block you can’t score. That pretty much sums it up.

  166. BucsBandit Says:

    DB55,

    For what it’s worth, you and I don’t agree on much when it comes to talking about Winston, but I have love for you and everyone else that’s a Buc fan regardless of their race. If ignorant people on this site are posting racist remarks sometimes you just have to take the high road and not return fire in my humble opinion or you end looking ignorant as well. Just my two cents.

    We should stick to football analysis instead of personally attacking each other. Last I checked none of were throwing TDs or INTs.

  167. DB55 Says:

    I left a bar during the rams game when JW threw his last pick. The guy next to me said “fn Winston always throwing picks and losing the game”. I replied “what nfl team can’t win with 40 points on the board”. Screamed in his face dude looked nervous. Then I said to my people Imma leave before I punch somebody in the face.

    Heck at one of the draft parties I had a gang of guys trying to pull me away from one of the joes bc we were having a passionate debate. It was all love but the guys protecting joe thought I was hostile or something. Lol.

  168. Ndog Says:

    I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say we should have drafted Nick O’Leary, Cam Irving, or any other their rate player. But if you don’t think Dalvin Cook, or Derwin James (I didn’t want him cause he always seemed hurt in college and what do you know) are good players I guess that’s you’re opinion.

  169. BucsBandit Says:

    NDog – no way in the world Belicheck would ever sign Winston. He puts too much value on protecting the ball at all costs.

  170. Defense Rules Says:

    Seems like there’s a LOT MORE going on here than meets the eye. And I’m starting to think that it’s more about COACHING, and especially OFFENSIVE COACHING, than it is anything else.

    o Jameis has clearly regressed IMO from where he finished last season.
    o Our OLine has looked atrocious in at least 3 games.
    o Mike Evans doesn’t even look like the same player; his catch % is below 50% & he’s been a non-factor in several games.
    o Godwin is doing much better, but we’ve essentially replaced Humphries & DJax with Miller & Wilson (whoopee).
    o Our TEs are being used MUCH MORE as blockers, and have much less effective in the passing game.
    o Our running game is being used quite a bit more, but it’s no more effective than it was last season (at 3.9 YPC).

    As a unit, this offense achieved a #3 ranking in Yards Gained last year. This year we were on-track for a #16 ranking BEFORE today’s fiasco. PERHAPS this new offense, and offensive coaching staff, is more to blame for these $hit-shows than we’re realizing, specifically game-planning, play-calling & play-design.

  171. DB55 Says:

    Jean

    There’s 2 undefeated teams both are riding their defenses coattails. NE is ranked #1 and SF is ranked #4.

    Again most of you don’t know what you’re talking about plain and simple. Football will never change! Defense wins championships and games are won and lost in the trenches.

    If QB’s where the end all be all explain how joe Flacco and Trent solder have rings? Explain how Phil Sims has 2? Rex Grossman? Anyone anyone? I wish you guys had a clue.

  172. DB55 Says:

    *Trent dilfer

  173. TexBuc Says:

    Actually Mayfield leads the NFL with 11 int.

    After rewatching the game 1st int is on Evans and the 5th int is on Evans, and Winston still turned the ball over too much. I find it hard to fault his fumble lost as a error on Winston when he had two hands on the ball. You cannot expect plays to be made by playing it safe or giving up the play too early, but he does need to find that balance.

  174. DB55 Says:

    DR

    Why hasn’t RoJo gotten 20 touches in any game?

  175. TexBuc Says:

    Just for fun guess who these stats are during his tenure with the Bucs:

    3-16 record, 53% completion, 11 td, 21 ints ??

    Steve Young

  176. Tampabuscsbro Says:

    Imagine comparing QB stats of a by gone era to the Modern NFL.

  177. TexBuc Says:

    This bye week is the perfect time for BA to take over play calling. Leftwich had NO feel for the game. Just my vote of where to start to recover.

  178. Buccfan37 Says:

    The only constant for the Bucs is miserable losing. After a while you grow numb to it. Every season starts the same cycle all over again. Go Bucs!

  179. TexBuc Says:

    I compare because we have tossed aside QBs before and 3 have Rings or have had nice careers afterward.

  180. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    I don’t know if you understand what’s going on TexBuc, but BA isn’t here to coach and call plays. He is here to provide soundbites to the media and blind fans while he helps out his buddies Leftwich and Bowles get Head Coaching jobs elsewhere in the NFL.

    He will sooner bench wINTston than take over playcalling.

  181. JimmyJack Says:

    DR…..That’s not fair yet in mine opinion.

    Bruce been here for six games. If these spitshows continue throughout the season that different.

    Let us finish the year then tell me how bad the coaching is. Getting blowout like today is not a new problem exclusive to Bruce. This staff deserves a real chance that should not only be predicated on instant fix.

  182. AMI_Chris Says:

    I continue to have a high degree of confidence in my preseason prediction of 5-11. I must admit, though, I’m beginning to worry that I might have been a bit optimistic.

  183. Gooberton Says:

    Sadly it is time to realize that JW is not getting a new contract or franchise tag. No point in doing either. Time to move on. Being a buc fan is depressing. Not sure team will ever be fixed.

  184. mh1023 Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
    Would you be comfortable with getting killed every play, and with no running game, with your #1 WR basically quitting half the time and dropping bombs, and when your TE has stone for hands?

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that you probably never said these things with QB Glennon under center. And that’s because you draft this great “franchise QB” and he makes everyone around him better. Man, I feel shorted.

    Glennon on the line…. “I wish I had all these weapons.”

  185. TexBuc Says:

    Agree Jimmy.

    Petty Officer he came back because he thought he saw talent on our roster and believed it would be a quick turn around. I believe Bowles would not get another HC gig does not have the temperament to be a HC (CEO), and Leftwich does nothing to game plan against the Panthers strengths on D and actually played into their strengths. Today’s game plan reminded me of Koetter and his stubbornness to adjust as a game progresses. It is interesting to see BA with a play call sheet and monitor the play calls the last two games.

  186. Jean Lafitte Says:

    DB55 says

    There’s 2 undefeated teams both are riding their defenses coattails. NE is ranked #1 and SF is ranked #4.
    ______________________________________________
    I say,

    NE has played probably the softest schedule in their history so far. With their wicked defense they have beaten. Pitt, Miami, Jets, Bills, Skins, Gmen, and the next against the Jets again. woohoo Tom Brady still makes the difference with less to work with.

    9ers has had a soft schedule as well. TB, Cinci, Pitt, Clev, Rams (who we beat with 55 points) with the Skins next. Ex NE Pat JimmyG playing mistake free football,

  187. TexBuc Says:

    I never judged Glennon until I saw him play in Chicago because I never knew if he was coached to take the safe sure pass over a lower % pass. My asked me a few years when his Bears signed Glennon my opinion I said his nickname in Tampa was CPT Checkdown.
    A safe QB who turns the ball over sounds good until you realize it may come with fewer points which with our D would not work.

  188. Ndog Says:

    I just can’t wait to see a rookie QB next year carry an entire team on his back with no run game, a second to throw and needing to score 30 plus every game to win. That should go really well.

  189. Ndog Says:

    I actually liked Mike Glennon but I never thought he was great. He was subjected to the same crap Jameis gets but that’s Buc ball baby.

  190. Ndog Says:

    You guys watching the game tonight? The Steelers QB has not completed a pass over 10 yards in the air yet they lead on the road 21-0. You see this is a TEAM sport.

  191. DB55 Says:

    Mh1023

    You’d be surprised. We had a lengthy and passionate debate at jbf over Glennon vs McCown. The same geniuses that said McClown could play also think JW is a bust so ……..

    Not to mention McClown actually cried on the podium. Could you imagine if JW cried during a press conference omg. The pitchforks would definitely come out.

  192. Defense Rules Says:

    TBBF … Personally don’t think that our defense did have a bad game. When your offense & S/Ts have SEVEN turnovers in the game you know the defense will be paying the price in terms of TOP & field position. And that’s exactly what happened.

    After starting off throwing an INT which gave Carolina the ball at the TB 29 yd line, our defense HELD THEM to a short FG. Bucs the PUNTED after 3 plays; our D held the Panthers to a 3-and-out & forced a PUNT. Bucs offense got 4 plays in then PUNTED again. Carolina then drive the field for a TD in 12 plays for a 10-0 lead (bummer). Bucs follow with a 3-and-out then PUNT again; Carolina fumbles the punt, and Bucs get it at the CAR 35 then take it in in 3 plays for a TD. Defense forces Panthers to PUNT after a 3-and-out, at which point Jameis throws his 2nd INT & Panthers get it at the TB 36 … 4 plays later McCaffrey scores on a 25-yd pass play making it 17-7. Bucs drive down the field after the kickoff in 12 plays to the Car28, at which time Jameis FUMBLES & Panthers recover. Defense holds them & forces a PUNT after 3 plays. Bucs offense has to PUNT after 4 plays, and Carolina gets it at the 50 and tries a long FG that misses. END OF HALF. Panthers 17 Bucs 7.

    The rest is heart-breaking, but just look at that 1st half. Bucs had the ball for EIGHT possessions, and the Panthers for 7. Bucs had 34 plays to the Panthers 30 plays. Our offense punted 4 times, had 2 INTs, 1 Fumble, scored 1 TD. Our defense allowed 1 long TD (bad) but the other TD & FG came after Bucs turnovers & some crappy field position.

    Even in the 2nd half they played quite well I thought. Wasn’t happy with the Secondary’s pass coverage (too much playing behind for my taste) but it was better than last week. VHIII continues to be the weak link IMO.

  193. Jean Lafitte Says:

    at least we’ll be able to afford trying to fix what is broken. 30 mil for an average QB puts us in Flacco territory, further making us the laughing stock of the league. I have pretty much sustained from wearing Buc gear at all. Not even at home. We’re not even allowed to brag one in a while unless we be made the fool.

    Bad Jameis

  194. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Ndog Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
    You guys watching the game tonight? The Steelers QB has not completed a pass over 10 yards in the air yet they lead on the road 21-0. You see this is a TEAM sport.
    ________________________________

    um, he’s the backup’s backup. Should we expect him to play better than JW? smh

  195. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Ndog

    Pitt is moving the ball even with short passes

  196. JimmyJack Says:

    DR…..A very telling stat of the game was how many first down we had in the first half. . We did manage to get one after our ST created a turnover and did get a TD from that situation which was good.

    The only other drive I remember a first down was the one where Winston fumbled twice. This was the turning point of the game in mine opinion. Our offense seemed to finally find a rythum and when we had the chance to get points from it we gagged them up.

    It just wasn’t professional football and there really is no one to blame but the QB. The first fumble occurred on a simple screen play. Don’t know how they coach that but it’s a major problem when your QB gets confused on a screen. The next play after just please burn it. It’s freaking 2nd down in FG range……..That’s all the QB needs to know. Winston ran it like it was 4th down in the fourth quarter.He pannicks for no reason and it took points off the board. Instead of putting the pressure on the Panthers Winston coughed up the points he had earned and gave them a the momentum. It was really hard to watch

  197. DB55 Says:

    Really dude? Mistake free football. Jimmy G threw for 0 TDs and 1 int today and still won. You think Winston could get away with that?

    Come on either get your facts straight or Shut up. please.

    And now it’s strength of schedule, so what happened to the Bucs against the Giants? How did he lose that game? Smh.

  198. DB55 Says:

    If you watch the tapes you’d see that the oline holds much of the blame.

  199. JimmyJack Says:

    And this is the second time this year Winston has gotten confused on a simple screen….. Both times have led to him gagging up the football.

    This is just beyond incompetent when you cannot trust your QB to run a some screen. We have a talented QB that is simple shooting himself in the foot. He makes it way too hard to win football game like that……..Did we run another screen after that? Probably not

  200. Anonymous Says:

    Where is Carl Nassib At does he still play for the bucs

  201. BucsBandit Says:

    NDog,

    Allow me to CORRECT your previous statement…

    You can’t wait see a Rookie QB on this team next year *AND* us taking the $25M+ in cap space we will save not keeping inconsistent, turnover prone Winston, and us buying ANY free agent lineman in the league we want *AND* being able also afford ANY free agent cornerback in the league.

    There, I fixed it for ya.

  202. DB55 Says:

    Winston has been on a rookie contract yet no oline, no secondary, no running game and the defense still gives up 30 points a game.

  203. Jean Lafitte Says:

    It is pretty apparent that Winston doesn’t possess a good peripheral vision. So for him to pick out a receiver in a scrum while looking off LB’s he really struggles. He apparently sees everything through a tunnel.

    He does seem to get flashes in his peripheral which makes him jumpy, and lose focus too early. That’s when he gets happy feet and sometimes gets him sacked.

  204. Jean Lafitte Says:

    JimmyG had 1 int against the RAMS,,,,boy wish JW would only do that most of the time then maybe we could win ballgames against backup QB’s who look more impressive than him.

    You can cherry pick all you want DB55 but the Rams are last years SB runner up and JG took what the Rams would give him and didn’t put his team in a position to lose.

  205. Ndog Says:

    mmyJack Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
    And this is the second time this year Winston has gotten confused on a simple screen….. Both times have led to him gagging up the football.

    This is just beyond incompetent when you cannot trust your QB to run a some screen. We have a talented QB that is simple shooting himself in the foot. He makes it way too hard to win football game like that……..Did we run another screen after that? Probably not

    You see this above is the crap I just cant stand. If he throws it either gets picked or batted down. I just went and rewatched it the RT did not cut the DE so he was in the passing lane on that screen. He throws it he is dumb, he holds it he is dumb cause the players around him dont do their job. Blame him for his mistakes but dont just make crap up.

  206. Dave Says:

    Takeaways a plenty.
    It’s been long enough Jameis Winston if you notice his eyes are always squinting get contacts this has been questioned about him before.
    Coaches need to run quick plays the offensive line is like cardboard cutouts.
    Tight ends trade them if you aren’t going to use them.
    Put OJ Howard in the slot it worked for Indy with Dallas Clark or trade him.
    Quit being so predictable on offense. Wait and defense!
    The secondary sucks so stop blitzing when it’s not working you are leaving them to get exploited.
    If it’s 3 and 5 why are you giving a 10 yard cushion in the secondary simple math.

  207. Buczilla Says:

    I hope the Glazers have enough of a sample size on Winston to mandate that he be benched. Vinny was bad when he played here, but his offensive weapons were hot garbage compared what Winston has. Enough is enough. Let’s start Ryan Griffin against the Titans. Who knows? He could be the next Kyle Allen. 😬

  208. Pete I Says:

    “You really have to applaud Winston for his commitment to sucking this hard at his job, especially when you consider that his traditional competition in the turnover race, Blake Bortles, has been relegated to the bench full-time. It’s that kind of dedication to his craft that truly separates him from the rest.”

  209. Defense Rules Says:

    Some great comments for so late at night (or early in the morning?).

    Ndog … I agree with you that it’s not all on Jameis. Looked like there were multiple breakdowns on just about every offensive play (mostly related to blocking IMO). Jameis rarely had a clean pocket to step up into & he’s the type of QB who needs that to see the field, run through his progressions & to be accurate. But to ‘keep your head’ when everyone around you is losing theirs is essential for leaders, and Jameis was in full ‘fight or flight’ mode much of the game (the latter most often). The OLine did him no favors, his RBs & WRs & TEs did him no favors, and especially his OC did him no favors. I fully admit that. But SIX turnovers on his part in the game? And SIX sacks in the 1st half alone (and FOUR of them while in the Shotgun)? Sorry, that’s a bit excessive and hard to defend.

    JimmyJack … Too many 3-and-outs followed by a PUNT is killing us. Not only NOT being able to sustain drives cost you points, but it negatively impacts the Bucs’ defense, usually in terms of field position & more time on the field (never a good thing). Combine that with TURNOVERS & we’re creating our own ‘hole’ early in games, forcing us to throw more often to catch up (54 throws yesterday PLUS taking 7 sacks) makes it much easier on the opposing defense. But as far as being ‘confused on the screen pass’ goes, impossible to know what Jameis was seeing at that moment … could be a ‘damned if you do; damned if you don’t’ situation.

  210. bucnole Says:

    I will say it again. . . after seeing the OL getting smoked on just about every play BL and his O coaching staff made zero adjustments to go to a quick rhythm passing game – maybe some end arounds – slants. . . they didn’t do $hit and then we see Scotty Miller???? Sure why not throw to one of the shortest guys on the field on long developing plays with the OL struggling???
    This team is hard to figure out much less watch them give games away with dumb play calls, dumb QB play, OL/Dbs in shambles and a seeming inability to utilize the playmakers on tis team. I ask again WTF was ROJO???? did he get injured??? He was doing ok and then disappeared. . . . again Barber got more carries – it just makes no sense

  211. America's Disgrace Says:

    Nice article Ira. Neither of the Joe’s have the balls to call out or let alone write an article like this about America’s Disgrace!!!

  212. Anonymous Says:

    Anonymous Says:
    October 13th, 2019 at 10:30 pm
    Where is Carl Nassib At does he still play for the bucs

    He had 4 tackles for losses. Are you watching from a phone/small device or do you not know what you are seeing out there??? LOL

  213. RustyRhinos Says:

    VHIII- Huge bust……and not in Canton. Thanks I needed this laughter inside, now I am laughing and I can’t stop. Hahhahahahhahaha!!!!

  214. BAforPresident Says:

    They’ve timed it and Jameis has the ball in his hands longer than the average quarterback, so you can’t say that we have a worse O-line than the vast majority of teams. In that case, do we blame our receivers for not getting open fast enough? If Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, and OJ Howard not good enough for Jameis to play with then no one is.

    Enough with the excuses for him.

  215. Bucamania Says:

    1. Jameis is who we thought he is. He hasn’t changed one bit. Move on.
    2. VH3 is NOT an NFL CB
    3. Jason Licht cannot evaluate DBs. None of the DBs he drafted are any good
    4. The OL depth is scary thin
    5. What the heck is Scotty Miller doing out there??!!!!
    6. Why is Bobo still returning punts?
    7. Holy [email protected] Devin White looks terrible
    8. Anyone seen #58 the last two games?
    9. Now everyone in the UK sees how bad this organization is. Glazers suck.
    10. So that’s how a free kick works

  216. Mike Johnson Says:

    Biggest coaching staff in the NFL? Tampa Bay Bucs. And we suck beyond comprehension. Every week there is a..fresh..sweet smelling line of excuses. I just feel sorry for the few fans who truly try to support this losing team. I’m a Bucs fan. But I get very drunk when I watch them to..quell my anger and pain. So its not as hard on me.

  217. Rob Says:

    Through 62 career games…

    100 TD’s
    68 Int’s
    43 Fumbles (19 lost)

    87 total turnovers in 62 games. 87

    Jameis Winston averages 1.4 turnovers a game.
    When one player causes this much damage, you damn right I’m gonna blame him.