Division, Fan Apathy On The Line Next Sunday

October 6th, 2019

Thankfully, Bucco Bruce Arians has a golf cart to carry all the oversized baggage the Bucs franchise lugs around.

A big percentage of fans are beaten down by years and years of incessant losing and personnel miscues. And Joe is hoping beyond hope everyone in the Bucs organization realizes what’s at stake next Sunday in England.

The game should be treated like it’s the Super Bowl.

Bucs officials and players often forget the NFL is entertainment, a multi-billion dollar ATM machine driven by fans.

Without the fans, the team is worthless, and the No. 1 thing that drives fans is hope. That’s why the busiest traffic month at JoeBucsFan.com is nearly always March. It’s the season of excitement. April is often a close second and August is a powerhouse, too. January is stellar — when there’s a coaching change. When the Bucs win, Monday traffic here is fantastic; when they lose, it could be 15 percent less than after a victory.

The cold reality is that if the Bucs lose to Carolina (3-2) in England and fall to 2-4 entering their bye week, that will signal the end of the season for a big chunk of fans. Hope will die for 2019.

Sure, it would return if the Bucs made a midseason run like they did in 2016, but every time hope is killed off it takes some fans away permanently.

Joe’s writing this more as a therapy session than anything else after the Bucs got kicked in the teeth by a better Saints team today. Falling to 2-3 is a reminder that the Bucs should be 3-2. And the Bucs defense looking like Mike Smith is in charge is a reminder that little has changed on that side of the ball in 365 days.

A beatable Panthers team is up next. It’s a must win for hope. And hope matters. It’s what Bucs fans cling to for dear life.

It’s all we got.

74 Responses to “Division, Fan Apathy On The Line Next Sunday”

  1. 813bucboi Says:

    On to the panthers…


  2. reply Says:

    Hope…..is irrational



  3. Lamarcus Says:

    Evey game must be a shootout from here on out. Scrap every conservative play out the door. Unless we can make a trade we are DONE if we continue to ride with these guys.

  4. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    The Bucs are what their record says they are…2-3. Easily could have lost to Carolina just as they did the Giants. With this secondary…it took a herculean effort to hold off the Rams with leads of 21 and later 18. They’re pretenders ( and painful to watch ) with the crummy group of secondary players Licht Weight has assembled over his tenure.

  5. ship thief Says:

    If you are only a fan after a team win, then you ain’t much of a fan.

    So if anyone wants to change their allegiance, I say go for it.

    I won’t miss ya.

    Go Bucs.

  6. Buczilla Says:

    Apathy is all I have after seeing us get beat by Teddy Bridgewater. How does Mike not catch a single pass? How the hell does half the team look flat in such a big game? Licht needs to go (I know I’ve mentioned this in all of my posts today, but I am pi$$ed). I’ll have hope by Wednesday and I’ll be ready to have my teeth kicked in by Sunday. Such is my lot for being dumb enough to follow this team from it’s inception.

  7. Ndog Says:

    Blame Jameis

  8. adam from ny Says:

    gotta hang in there a few weeks until we can get ahold of patrick peterson and jpp…

    maybe that can solidify things a bit…

    we gotta get back home at 4-4, and go from there…

    pray for a win in london, and a split with tennessee and seatle

  9. DB55 Says:

    I’m beginning to think that the team just can’t play in hot weather. I hear Kentucky is looking for a team.

  10. tmaxcon Says:

    This team had no hope when it went into the season with vh3bust in the secondary and d Smith and Dotson at tbe tackle positions

  11. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Kyle Allen and Teddy Bridgewater are both 3-0 as starters this year, so let’s not have any “backup qb” easier game to win talk.

    Next week will be another tough game.
    I expect Evans to show up and shine.

    Just stop McCaffrey and don’t beat yourselves with turnovers

  12. Tye Says:

    sadly looking at the standings I came to the sad realization that on 1 hand at least the Bucs are out of the cellar BUT THEN quickly compared the 2 teams, I have a much higher expectation and trust that the Falcons can shore up their o-line and go on a winning streak than I do the Bucs achieving that!

    How sad would it be for the Bucs to go all season health for the most part and still end up in the Cellar while all 3 of the other division teams cope with injuries and 1 even starting off with a losing record, much like last year?

  13. Ndog Says:

    I thought Jameis was told it wasn’t all going to be on him cause he had a good defense now? I thought Jameis was told just don’t turn the ball over and we will win? I thought Jameis was told just don’t try to be a hero and we will win? So 204 yards 2TDs and no TOs annnnnnnnnnd we lose. Ok it still must be his fault somehow right? I’m sure you people will find something new to say this loss was squarely on him. And you know who you people are.

  14. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    So much for the defense being fixed…

  15. Darin Says:

    Welcome to Tampa. Been on the hope train since inception. But yeah keep hope alive until Thanksgiving Bruce!! We dont wana talk draft while watching the Lions and eating Turkey.

  16. BucsBandit Says:


    Oh please… once again your Winston-Logic is pathetic.

    Winston (before garbage time and the game already out of reach late in the 4th) was 9/19 for 105 yards and 5.5 avg completion rate with 1 TD. He also got away with several possible INTs but even if we’d don’t count that for anything he mustered a mighty 105 yards of passing when the game mattered.


    That’s absolutely freakin pathetic. His accuracy was once again terrible on many throws today.

  17. BucfaninMi Says:

    They never beat back-up QBs. Next week is in the panthers favor.

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    This game was all on losing the trenches…..Jameis was under pressure all game and Bridgewater sat in the pocket and picked us apart…..
    Our WRs were covered & theirs weren’t.

    As for apathy…..that’s for others, not TBBF.

  19. Ndog Says:

    FACTS Bandit and you are wrong again, like ALWAYS. You are so clueless bro, but what’s new about that? Find a new game tough guy, maybe something like Old Maid.

  20. DBS Says:

    You can blame Licht all you want for this last draft. He was no more than a lapdog. BA was in charge. And still is.

  21. DB55 Says:


    Fwiw Brady had the same game last week. Brady score 4 fantasy points last week and still won. Maybe something to do with his defense giving up only 1 TD as of last week but hey wtfdik

  22. Pelbuc61 Says:

    Fan apathy set in when Gay missed the chip shot FG confirming another choke kicker, wasted draft pick and losing culture. Beating the Rams was an aberration. Once, the Bucs beat Pittsburgh in Bucs 2-14 season. This is usually the time of the season when we start talking draft but the draft is meaningless while Licht is our GM.

  23. Bird Says:


    Get over yourself.
    God you are a baby

    Did the oline do Jameis any favors – hell no
    Did the secondary suck – absolutely

    I thought stats didn’t matter.
    Yet you throw out Jameis 204 yards and 2 tds and no turnovers

    Dude he was 10-19 for 130 yards and 1 td until the final drive in garbage time.
    How many INTs were dropped cause of penalties or just bad hands. And The offense didn’t help the struggling defense either.
    The offense looked like crap other then some nice runs. And a few nice throws.

    Without double standards , you would have no standards at all.

    Personally , I think Jameis is playing better then years past
    But to blame everyone today and say he looked good just shows your true obsession.

    And the next game when they win and he doesn’t play well , you will say well I thought wins only matter

    And the next game when they win and he plays well , you will ask where are the haters at and all hail the messiah

    And then next loss , let the excuses begin. Everyone sucks . Just not my boo boo kiddie

  24. Bird Says:


    Ndog is a former jr high school quarterback
    He knows football
    No one wins a football debate against him
    Ask him about Jameis …he defnitely knows all his measurements (even girth)

  25. NPRSageBoy Says:

    A beat down like the one today in NO is a reminder to loyal Buc fans everywhere just how far this team is from being competitive week in and week out.
    It’s an indicator of just how mismanaged this team has been since Chucky was jettisoned. Wasted draft picks and poor free agent signings are the norm rather than the exception.
    So much for street cred…..

  26. Ndog Says:

    Some perspective for the morons, Lamar Jackson threw 3 picks today annnnnd won. Again you people are so clueless.

  27. DB55 Says:

    Watching this cowgirls butt packers game and I’m seeing athletes making plays on poorly thrown balls, fighting for yac, and actually running the ball. And believe it or not Rodgers has thrown 10 incompletions. 18/28 for 213 yards 0 TDs heading into garbage time. Say it isn’t so not the great elite Aaron Rodgers.

  28. Ndog Says:

    So he sucks now cause he played hard till the end? You people are priceless er clueless. But I love ya cause if it wasn’t for you guys I wouldn’t look so smart for just having common sense.

  29. JimmyJack Says:

    NPR…..Turn Fox back on…..That’s a beat down. Our game was not a beat down. We had our chanses all day.

    Was very frustrating to see us fail on most chances we had to take control of that game but we did have the ball in the fourth quarter with a real chance to score and make it a very tight game………and yep that’s when our OL did take their beating but don’t pretend we weren’t competitive……….We saw enough of that over the years and them teams never had a real shot in many fourth quaters.

  30. Bird Says:


    They would make a cute couple

  31. RGP Says:

    Some say “Where’s The Beef?” Where’s The DEFENSE???”

  32. JimmyJack Says:

    Whitehead converts that play he had a shot for and today’s game comes down to the last possession.

    It didnt happen but it defientally wasn’t a beat down. Even without that play we still had other chances to take control of that game. They exposed us and they took advantage of our weak spots more then we seen all year. Get us a chance to get better. Tampa fans gotta quit selling out after 5 games…………..Should we give up on Our Ray’s too because they dropped both games in Houston? Or should we see a chance for them to wipe themselfs on and make it a series at home tomorrow?

  33. Son of Kobe Faker Says:

    “Nothing nothing will change

    Without a offensive line”

    Son of Kobe Faker

  34. Bird Says:

    “He would like to play hard in his end “

    That’s what he meant to say

  35. Bojim Says:

    Fan since the beginning but I want some playoff time before I die. Win???? Maybe Teddy is up for trade. Maybe we can score a trade for the boys in the back. Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

  36. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    They were playing like a team that knew it was going to lose from the beginning. They weren’t competitive on either side of the ball. So I stopped watching in the 3rd quarter. Unlike many fans on this site, I never really bought into the idea that BA could make this team a playoff contender in his first year, so I’m watching the games this year purely for entertainment. When that is lacking, whats the point?

  37. Bojim Says:

    Licht sure can’t draft in the backfield.

  38. Pewter power Says:

    It would signal the end of the season for the idiotic fans and media who believe that.

    BA doesn’t care about all that he said it last week. He still have a winning record as a coach and you dont turn around a franchise overnight. You had to know there would be growing pains. Your an idiot if this lost hurts more than the giants loss.

    So many picked this team to go 5-11 or 10 wins and the playoffs. All we learned is the team is good just not better than the saints no more no less unless your job is to exaggerate everything to spark hot take conversation

  39. Says:

    We aren’t good enough to be a legitimate playoff contender.

  40. orlbucfan Says:

    How come these Brit games count as a home game for the Bucs? That’s BS.

  41. Pewter power Says:

    This one of those games where the real general manager sees it and works his magic to acquire talent of course I’m not talking about licht who should be able to see how this team is a couple replacements away from being a contender. Trent Williams trade and/or Ramsey would make them tough to beat. Weaknesses are clearly the tackles and corner. I actually cant wait to see jamel dean and justin Evans, dotson is injured and was already playing poorly

  42. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Last time I honestly had hope was when we were 4-2 under Raheem “The Dream” Morris. We were 4-2 in October. That is the last time I remember a winning record in the month of October, all the way back in 2011.

  43. Defense Rules Says:

    I’ve finally come to the realization that Jameis will only be as good as the TEAM you put around him. He’ll never be THAT GUY who leads a team to victory despite themselves. He NEEDS an effective OLine, productive running game, top quality receivers, a very efficient play-caller AND a strong defense & S/Ts. Give Jameis all that and he’ll win … most of the time.

    Of course the same could be said for virtually every other NFL QB. Jameis is not at the point … nor has he ever been … where he can carry a ‘bad’ team to victory.

  44. D-Rome Says:


    This season has been more entertaining though.

  45. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    If you host a Super Bowl in the future, you gotta play a home game at London a season or two beforehand. Raiders had a home game in London today because once the stadium in Vegas is built they are doing the Super Bowl there.

  46. Destinjohnny Says:

    Our 6-10 talent always shows its ugly head

  47. OBP Says:

    We’re gonna lose next Sunday, it’s a known fact that the Bucs always make back ups or rookie QBs play like HOFers

  48. JimmyJack Says:

    DonRy…. I disagree. Yes our offense had a hard time finding a rythum at the start but our defense held their own and was able to hold the Saints from the endzone at the start. We did take a 7-3 lead early and we did answer back to tie it just before halftime.

    If you are watching the games for entertainment I’m confused why you gave up in the third quarter since we held many chances to make it a one score game in that quarter. We never let the Saints go ahead more then that and had our chances in the final quarter.

    Our OL had several breakdowns today and lost us several of the chances we had and our secondary got exposed badly as our absolute weakest unit…..but the good parts of our team kept us in it and did gives us chances to change things. Despite the line is that is a good sign.

    I just don’t see why you are giving up? Our OL is capable of much better play and shown it……Secondary does look bleak I will admitt but there is no way this staff is gonna just give up and not address the situation……Lets try not to give up as fans…..Let’s put expect this team to improve over time.

    I understand it’s hard to expect this team to get better during the season cause we have never saw it in a very very long time but let’s not condemm Bruce and his team because Lovie and Dirk we’re unable to make impacts……..IWe have already seen improvements in many areas of the game…..Kinda unfair to give up and give Bucs no chance to make more improvement.

    We are five games in with 3 road games and a 2-3 record. It is not ideal but for sure isn’t a reason to jump ship. Why jump 5 games in when the team has a real chance to rebound next week.

    I genuinely do not understand. Why are we giving up as fans?

  49. JimmyJack Says:

    It’s really kinda pathetic TBehonest.

  50. DB55 Says:

    Please can someone just tell me one qb who could carry this team to the playoffs. Please tell me one. Mahomes? Rodgers, Brady? The only one who could possibly come close is Russell Wilson bc he’s learned how to play without an oline but he still needs a def to win. And guess what? Russell is yet to score 32 points this season. So he’d be 1-4 too.

  51. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    Ndog, let’s face it, you’re just a jameis apologist. He didn’t lose that game for us (for once), but he sure as heck win it for us either. We were outplayed every place on this team today. Sure, IF…., and if…. JimmyJack, it would take more than Whitehead’s one play for this game to be close. We were lucky to have scored our last TD.
    This team is just not ready for prime time. The Ram win was Winston’s best game as a Buc and he played a big part in the win. Today it was the same ol’ Famous Jameis along with the whole team.

  52. tmaxcon Says:


    There are 2 types of bucfan ma’am…. those who accept failure and make excuses like yourself and those of us who accept reality. This team went into the season with no hope. You are confusing hope with delusional optimism. You clearly suffer from of advanced delusional PTSD from following the most embarrassing sports franchise on planet earth

  53. jimmer Says:

    Jameis is not bad, he is just a below average QB in the NFL. What we can’t do is give him a long term 25 mil + a year contract. We can’t eat up that much salary cap for a below average QB. Plus he is one boneheaded mistake away from a long suspension. And since he has proven to be a bonehead, I would not take that chance.

  54. Figures Says:


    Because we’ve all seen this song and dance before. And we’re tired of having our hearts ripped out after endless “hoping” of a turnaround.

    Best to just accept the inevitable and realize that the Bucs are not a playoff team.

    As a Bucs fan it’s better to expect the worst and be happily surprised than to hope and have our hearts ripped out.

    That’s why we’ve “given up” already.

    We’ve seen this all before. Until it changes then it’s just business as usual.

  55. Buc believer Says:

    When the biggest joke of a GM is FINALLY fired that’s when my hope will return.

  56. JimmyJack Says:

    Orgeon…….If Whitehead gets the pick and we convert it’s a one score game with loads of time.

    That was the story of the second half to me. They quickly made it a two score game and we squandered every chance we had to make it a one score game………At the same time they had their shots to blow it open and we played good enough to keep getting chances to make it a very close game.

    If that means we aren’t ready for primetime then I’ll have to assume this loss ereases any steps we made last week in LA or in Carolina in front of the nation.

    You wanna see the same ol Bucs that’s your prerogative. Just be sure to wake me up when we take a few blowouts and our season is all but over by Halloween……I just happen to see quite a few improvements and a team that has competed with all 5 teams they played.

    And maybe I’m wrong or maybe your wrong or maybe both us are wrong and this team finishes a generic 8-8……No matter what I have saw many of these Buc fans(not saying you are one) jumping ship after each loss…… I just think it’s time for this fanbase to develope thicker skin and give them a stronger force of support…….We want them to play strong football. Why are we not practing what we preach?

    I can understand jumping ship last year 3 years into Dirk and getting blown out still(even to our own division). But this is a new Era and it is five freaking games. Guess I don’t understand why this fanbase hasn’t learned patience.

    Just calm down and let us continue improving. We are closer then y’all give credit.

  57. Bucs Fan Since ‘76 Says:

    This is what the NFL looks like, unless you’re the Chiefs, who haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1970, or the Patriots, who have a GOAT at QB and HC. It’s a league based upon mediocrity. The Bucs problem is not Jameis or the offense. The on field problem is a Bucs secondary that just plain stinks, year, after year, after year. 😡

  58. Jmarkbuc Says:


    I appreciate you man, but seriously, is this your first season as a Buc fan?

    Every time that the story is supposed to change, it stays exactly the same in every season.

  59. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m still on board. I have faith in BA and his staff. They just have to fight harder. The Glazers need to get off their lazy _____s and call out Goodell about these stupid refs. That’s a huge problem with being a Buc fan is fighting the refs at least 80% of the season. The entire crew today should be fired. I believe they bet on the games. It’s nuts

  60. JimmyJack Says:

    Tax go away with your low standard comments….I make no excuse.

    That simply hasn’t happened and is why the entire rest of your post has absolutely no context.

    I’m sorry you have low standards and accept failure because of it. But that aren’t me kid. I see the good and bad. My expectations include maintaining the good while singling out the bad and finding a way to fix.

    Your expectations include accepting the bad and not even trying or desiring to fix them. I do believe you to be a true Buc fan but one with garbage standards that has spent 20 years dwrilling on a bad beat the the Rams in a Championship game.

    No need to address me again. You and I are on different planets. You have quit and I will never be as cowardly.

    The next time I am huing over I will address you because that is the only value I see that you bring to this fanbase……A punching bag that is only usefull to take a bad day out on.

  61. Buc68 Says:

    This team doesn’t have a QB issue. The buc fan base is so dense. We have had an historically bad defense for 3 years with historically bad kicking. That has been the issue. If we could just get the D to below average we’d be pretty good. Unfortunately we are an abomination defensively. Carolina will crush us next week. They have a very good D and a QB that can throw forward passes now.

  62. tmaxcon Says:


    Your little feelings hurt because i am and was right about this abortion of a franchise

  63. tgregs Says:

    By now it should be obvious that drafting…and retaining…Jame Ass was a typical Bucs mistake, Character and intelligence next time please. Until then I hope they losee every game

  64. JimmyJack Says:

    Jmark and figures…..Did y’all think it would be easy?

    I do not want to defend this team to a fault and maybe I am but what else should be done with a fanbase of shipjumpers?

    Not expecting anybody to jump up to the Stern and wave some pompoms but quitting on the team after a singular loss to a good football team on the road is way too freaking extreme.

    I am not trying to pretend that loss today didn’t hurt. It did a lot.

    But I suffered through this fanbase burning Winston jerseys after week one. It made it very difficult to maintain hope but I did and we came up with a huge win the following week……then we take a pure gutpunch against NY and the fanbase nearly implodes with several people saying they are done with the team and others calling for overhauls…..three games in…………y’all made it extremely hard yet I did mantain my hope that we would at least give the Rams a decent effort. ….they proove a lot of worth that week and outright destroy the Rams and now we lose a tough game that we had opportunities and could not make the enough plays and fans go from hot you cold again and jump right off the ship.

    These pMS reactions were thinking very quickly and I’m doing whatever I can to fight them……If I get proven to be a ass for defending this team them so be it. I’ll jump off the ship with y’all when it gets proven we really got no chanse. But this game wasn’t it. Maybe if it dropped us to 0-5 or 1-4 then I’d be less ap to combat these PMS reactions…………But if y’all gonna jump ship do it for good reason. Not cause we were a bad team that quit with Raheem in charge or cause we kept getting blown out before the half u def Dirk.

    This is a new team and a new Era. I’m not comparing them to Schiano led teams or Lovies teams….I will compare them to other 2019 NFL teams that they play on their schedule. I brlice that is fair and we have been competitive in every test this year.

    We have been close all year……If y’all think we got no shot I will disagree and believe we are defientally good enough to show you why next week.

  65. JimmyJack Says:

    Tax if it makes any difference to you one way or the other I will oblige and admitt that, yes ……..This liss hurts cause you were right……..In fact when I watch a football game I don’t even care About if we win or lise.

    My main care is who on JBF was right and who was wrong. I barely even notice any of the action. It is much more riveting to think about which JBF poster are most right and which are the wrongest.

    Above all the main thing I root for is that anything I say on here gets proven right on Gameday……..It does matter what happens and how it happens if it makes me tight that’s what entertains me. If it has to come at the cost of the team that’s just a shame………What I cheer for above all is getting a chanse to say I told you so.

    And now that I think about it in the future I will focus more of my comments on the past rather then the future. It’s will be much easier to be right more often if I focus most of my comments on HOF Buccaneer players and coaches were here two decades ago.

  66. Jmarkbuc Says:

    So it IS your first season….

  67. TampaTown Says:

    This is exactly why I cancelled what would have been a high 4-digit, low 5-digit trip for two to London. It’s not just the team but the coaching staff that keeps letting us down. The Bucs have sucked all the joy out of my life and I question why I continue to subject myself to this emotional torture.

  68. Jawo75 Says:

    Hope is the impossibility of reason. How many less seasoned QB’s does Jamoist need to be beaten by for this organization to move on? All we can look forward to is the eventual release of the biggest bust in franchise history.

    “What had happened was, I is too dumb to win da football game”. –

    Jamoist Winston

  69. JimmyJack Says:

    Ok Jmark….It seems obvisous that you are just making a funny.

    Aren’t my first season. And if your suggestion is that jumping ship any time this franchise has a 2-3 start then I do think it’s best for Buccaneer fans if you not share your opinions. Little reason to try and treat me like some type of outsider that don’t know this team. And to make the assumption that only some kinda long-term(or watever) Buccaneer fan would understand why it is perfectly acceptable and normal to jump ship after a 2-3 start is a total quitter attitude and not one that that you should be feel any kind of pride about.

    I’m not quitting.Period. Despite your little jokes I am a lifelong Buc fan and I’m sorry we all don’t give up and believe it should be that way.

    If you wanna quit then man up and do it already. You wanna disagree with me, cool. Understood……..But don’t try and mock my ass like I’m some second rate fan cause I haven’t given up already. Don’t preach your quitter attitude on me and act like that the only attitude that’s is acceptable for anylongterm fans.

    Now go quit and go in a corner. That or stand up and get to Ray Jay for our next home game……But if not and your best contirbution to the fanbase is try and convince others that it’s not proper or normal to maintain any hope in this team then you are little more then a stain to our fanbase. Know that.

  70. WyldKat Says:

    Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torment of fans.

  71. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Jimmy Jack

    You’re just a little too emotional to be taken seriously.

    I have chosen to be a Buc fan since their inception, so I don’t think you can say I’ve jumped ship.

    Reality is still reality, however.

  72. JimmyJack Says:

    Jmark fair enough. Was defientally emotionally charged last night.

    Did not mean to call you out for quitting. Was angry at the team but now starting to anger at fans that wanna give up on this team with every hiccup.

    Wrong to call you out for quitting but needed somebody to bark at and you were there. This negative quitting attitude is infectious and spreads. I am doing my part to combat it.

    It’s hurting our home field advantage.

  73. widerightandleft Says:

    The bucs wont beat the Stinking Panthers with the current cornerbacks this week.They need veteran help ,at least on one side.

  74. widerightandleft Says:

    Wake up dude!Blaming Jameis for not winning the game??? Are u an Idiot?? NO QB in the NFL can be successful under that kind of pressure all day.Im glad the guy is durable.STFU