Jameis To Get Plenty Of Rope
September 10th, 2019
Curious quote.
Bucs fans have lost their minds since Sunday night.
Yes, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, ralphed all over himself Sunday and his pick-six near the end of the game doomed the Bucs in the 2019 season opener.
Joe has received Twitters about the Bucs obtaining Dolphins quarterback Josh Rosen — boy, pairing him again with Bucs offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich sure seems like the answer. Those two worked wonders in Arizona last year, eh? — and of course your true crazies want Jameis benched for Ryan f’ing Griffin.
Hold Joe’s beer.
Joe is convinced Jameis has the full season to get on the right track. That’s why Joe keeps referring to 15 more games.
Well, Joe is going to give this reporter credit for really doing digging. That’s Taylor Jenkins of Pewter Report who unearthed a five-year old Bucco Bruce Arians quote about how to repair a quarterback, which is what Arians has been tasked to do with Jameis by Team Glazer.
It seems, the crazies who cannot way to dance on Jameis’ grave may see Jameis gone earlier than Joe imagined if he cannot stop throwning pick-sixes.
Regarding Jameis Winston, this is what Bruce Arians said in 2014 about Carson Palmer and Eli Manning as he transitioned to a new offensive coordinator. pic.twitter.com/3uIoId8m18
— Taylor Jenkins (@TJenkinsTampa) September 9, 2019
This quote also opens Joe’s eyes because Joe was under the impression Arians wanted no part of developing a rookie. Arians said when he was hired he was here for a reload, not a rebuild. From the quote above, it seems Arians would work well with a rookie.
And if Jameis doesn’t turn things around and the Bucs draft, say, Jake Fromm in the spring, what better circumstances could a rookie quarterback fall into? Look at the Bucs’ coaching staff. Look at the weapons the rookie (Fromm?) would have to throw to.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:03 am
We will stay with JW and he will run the ship into the ground. Obviously as a Bucs fan I hope I’m wrong but all the hope in the world won’t change the fact he doesn’t have the intelligence of a big time NFL quarterback. He is the guy you sign to put up 6-10 seasons. He is the guy you sign to give the ball away at crunch time.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Let Mr Arians know there is no pacience till week 8…we´ve been having horrible seasons since way to long!!!!
The BUCS are no toy….no Licht nor Arians toy…..do something for fans to understand why you make the money you make…..Jesus H Christ, sometimes the world is upside down….The ducs shoot the hunters……Unreal!!!!
September 10th, 2019 at 9:07 am
He is never going to get benched at any point this season.
He is never goung to get traded at any point this season.
This season is ride or die with Jameis whether he sinks or swims. It just has to be definitive 1 way or the other.
I dont wanna see late season heroics drag us to a meaningless 7-9 record.
Either he plays well enough to lead us to the playoffs ir he flops and leads us to a top pick.
Anything inbetween is worst case scenario for this franchise moving forward.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:09 am
Week 8… so $10MM in salary before Ol’ 3 is even accountable? I get coaches have to say something publicly, but come on… the interception with 2 minutes left was just panic under fire, not scheme. QBs at college level know you throw that ball in the dirt and live to see another down.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:11 am
“It is much easier getting a rookie and brainwashing him”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes!!!!! Lets try that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I am shocked that Joe has not brought up Djax performance??????????? It is a huge piece of evidence of when trying to decipher where jmiss is at!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 10th, 2019 at 9:13 am
Joey
I couldn’t agree more. We are all tired of wait until next year with JW. I’m not anti Jameis so I’m not screaming bench him, trade him, or whatever.
I’m saying this is IT. Anything less than 8-8 (I’m probably giving too much sympathy to the schedule and learning a new system) should be it. I do not care at all how much PROMISE JW may show this season.
It’s time for results. If it’s injuries or bad luck tough darts. JW sadly does seem like a bit of a Jonah…he certainly hasn’t enjoyed good luck since signing here. Luck does NOT matter anymore. Win or else leave.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:15 am
If the Bucs do draft a rookie QB, to which I am not opposed, they need to ask him to do what they never asked Jameis to do. That is, turn around and hand the ball off 30 times a game while he is learning the league and getting comfortable with his role. Build the trenches, give the kid a ground game, ask him to complete open throws with easy reads and minimal decision making. In other words, give the kid some training wheels until he learns to ride the damn bike. Our current QB is so scraped up and bruised from falling down that he can’t peddle anymore.
Draft Fromm – I am 100% on board with that guy!!! Then, let’s play great D and run the ball while he grows into the role.
JW has been mismanaged since day 1 of his second season. Too much, too soon doomed him, and I fear he is too far gone to be fixed. Don’t make the same mistakes with the next QB. And Fromm absolutely should be that guy. He’s poised, smart, accurate at all levels, and a proven winner. If Jameis isn’t the guy, Fromm should be.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:17 am
“My Dad and I watched 3 Arizona games last year with Byron Leftfoot as OC
Same crap. No separation and everything congested
what happened is we brought a 3-13 Arizona offense to Tampa
This isn’t BAs playcalling
We have been Leftfoot and mouth diseaed”
Son of Kobe Faker
September 10th, 2019 at 9:17 am
I would not trust the Bucs as whole to draft QBs. You know in 43 years they’re not good at it
September 10th, 2019 at 9:18 am
Yes I agree Leftwich will be demoted at same point
September 10th, 2019 at 9:19 am
Jameis made some really poor mistakes. But he was not helped by his porous offensive line. The poor drafting by Licht ensured the Bucs O-line would remain poor to mediocre to at best. Give Jameis some time to throw and he’s proven he has the potential to sling the rock with better half of NFL quarterbacks. Dak Prescott is no Tom Brady but he looked stellar behind one of the best O-lines in the NFL, Zeke and a rookie OC…go figure.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:22 am
this team i could legitimately see being 1-7 by week 8 with this schedule if arians is 1-7 i almost guarantee jameis is benched. i honestly have an easier time seeing this team being 1-7 then .500 at that point. our easiest game is the giants game but the problem is they’re saying the same about the bucs!! sad times indeed. But thats what hapoens when ur team cant even beat the 49ers at home in the season opener. what game can you actually win?
September 10th, 2019 at 9:23 am
I’m completely fine with letting Winston play. I think everybody needs to calm down and face reality; Winston is what he is. By week 8, we’ll have a pretty good idea if Fromm, Herbert, Tua, or Winston is our guy. I’m fine with that. Arians isn’t Moses. He’s not doing miracles. It’s a process, not a parting of the waters.
Winston either will, or will not, get straight. We all knew this was going to be a YEAR process. Not one game. Does it look good for Winston? Nope. Should the Bucs be scouting QBs? Yep. Does that mean all is lost? Nope. The Bucs should be preparing for all potential outcomes.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:27 am
Carson Palmers IQ was a lot higher than that of a ham sandwich.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:30 am
But if he is doing rookie mistakes then he should be easy to brainwash.
Right? Lol
We have FREEMAN II all over again. SMH
September 10th, 2019 at 9:30 am
Leftwich is just as much to blame as Winston if not more. I mean who in the He## hires Brian Leftwich as your OC?????
September 10th, 2019 at 9:32 am
BA doesn’t care hes setting himself up for retirement. It will be a new coach next year getting his orders from JL worse GM in Bucs history.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:34 am
The two pick six’s broke our backs, but the real telling play was the intentional grounding call. C’mon JayMiss, how boneheaded was that?
It might be worth trying to talk Indy out the rights to Luck and pray that BA/Licht can talk him out of retirement rather than trying to brainwash JayMiss into becoming a productive QB.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:36 am
BA has not seen “plenty of rope” but the long suffering fans certainly have…
September 10th, 2019 at 9:38 am
If we decide to move on from JW at some point during the season. Don’t bench him – cut him. He offers nothing on the bench but a distraction. Noway anyone trades for an avg at best QB that’ll be a FA in March. (plus he makes just over 1.1mill per game) I hope he turns it around – game 2 Thursday.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:39 am
THis offense is terrible, I understand getting mismatches but how is barber on richard sherman a mismatch. This offense is horrible and the guy calling it would NOT have been hired as OC for any NFL team except the bucs. How is that supposed to inspire hope in another lost season. Nos Bos, come on man give me some words of inspiration you and Bonzai had this licht team at 11-5, this team and the current players are a bottom 5 team just like last year and the year before
September 10th, 2019 at 9:44 am
Dusthty-
You left off…
And the year before…and the year before and the year before, and the year before, and the year before and the year before, and the year before and the year before and the year before..
That makes 11 sucky years
September 10th, 2019 at 9:51 am
It’s too early to tell about the scheme/play-calling. I mean we can ALL play armchair QB. The fact is that we know through 4 years that Jameis’ decision-making hasn’t always been the best. So, I don’t know about blaming Leftwich for anything just yet.
Dusthty-I stated yesterday that the Barber play just didn’t seem right to me. It’s a bad match-up and was a bad throw. IMO, Barber would be a decoy in that situation holding the DB to that side to open up a different WR or TE. I just don’t think it was a well-executed play. Unless it’s a screen or trying to identify the defensive play, Barber on the outside makes ZERO sense to me.
September 10th, 2019 at 9:56 am
I’m sorry but when I saw him eat those W’s that was enough for me. What an idiot.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:01 am
Wouldn’t it be something if the Bucs put RG4 in and we start winning? Joe the all knowing. Joe knows QB’s? C’mon Joe, stop with the scare tactics. I’m with you, we should just continue watching JW throw pick 6’s. Maybe eventually your wisdom will come through and we’ll win a game all because of JW, but n the meantime look at all the negative fodder you have to write about while you shame anybody who has differing opinions than your own publicly. It seems “the crazies” are just sick of losing.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:01 am
I was there when Winston threw his first NFL pass, a pick six against the Titans. 8 weeks is more than fair for a 5th year player. New offense, new routes, new play callers. He has the experience now to draw upon as well. Sunday was putrid from him no doubt about it but he has time and experience to be better. For all our sakes I hope it works out. One game at a time, one snap at a time, one decision at a time.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:12 am
And why would that be? You can only hang yourself once and that he has already accomplished
September 10th, 2019 at 10:14 am
LOL….
how is bryon getting parts of the blame?…..lol….
he didnt abandon the run game….play calling was unpredictable….good play designs….
what am i missing?….please explain?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
September 10th, 2019 at 10:22 am
Already week 2 and we are talking about the draft. my god
September 10th, 2019 at 10:29 am
Joey…trade Jameis? With his history…with his salary? Don’t know what your Poppin but don’t think anyone would take him off our hands at this point in time, for nothing. And we won’t cut him.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:30 am
Chris..this talk is for one reason…because the QB position is the most important position on our team. And we may have a catastrophic problem at that position.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:32 am
813…if Jameis can’t read well…and can’t deliver the ball accurately, Lombardi can be calling the plays, and it will make no difference.
September 10th, 2019 at 10:51 am
That’s right Chris. Draft talk week 2. Heck I hope Case Keenum is available next year. Guy gets no respect but hes way better than Jameis. Then u draft a QB to watch and learn… otherwise Ryan Griffin should get a shot to finish the year if Winston can’t get it together… man alive!!!
September 10th, 2019 at 11:11 am
Stpetebucsfan:
Perfectly said. I don’t want Jameis to fail I want him to succeed. I want him to play like Drew Brees did last night. I want Buc fans to be happy and confident when our QB gets the ball. I don’t want to start over AGAIN. How long is that going to take? How much more can we take at this point? I don’t trust Jason Licht with the draft because he $u¢ks and has to go too. It sure is a Bucs Life. Groundhogs Day in He!! where everyday you wake up and the Bucs are just as bad as the day before.
September 10th, 2019 at 11:34 am
They’ll ride Jameis all the way to the end of the season. imo
Then again I’m usually wrong.
September 10th, 2019 at 11:35 am
An interesting tidbit from Peter King:
His take on Farve is he would take chances primarily in the last four minutes of the game.
Maybe Jameis needs to limited to this same strategy. Its possible eliminating forced passes and the so called ” Trust” passes where the receiver is expected to go up and get it or catch it in an extremely tight window.
September 10th, 2019 at 11:52 am
Jameis sucks. No way around it. Bust. 55 games in and making the same mistakes that have ZERO to do with a new offense. Get him outta here please.
September 10th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
Let me get this straight. I want my team to put the players on the field that give us the best chance to win and pull the guy that repeatedly gives easily winnable games against mediocre opponents on our home field and that makes me a “crazie”? OK. I can live with that. I can’t live with losing week after week, year after year because of the same stupid mistakes.
I’m not a doom and gloomer. I’m encouraged because I saw some meaningful improvement on Sunday. I’m also not a Jameis hater. I have defended him on here a lot, but it’s clear to see what he brings to the field.
Yes, he has been under poor coaching and been forced into schemes that didn’t suit him well. I’ll give you that. But throwing directly into a defender’s hands with no Buc with 10 yards is not coaching. That is either not seeing the field or panicking.
I plead with the organization for the sake of the fans, please don’t throw another season trying to show us how smart you were when you drafted him.
September 10th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
@mark2001
If u read what i wrote again, u will see I said Jameis will not get traded. Which is what many fans are screaming for.
Im Poppin the same thing u are
September 10th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
I see a comparison of Jameis to an alcoholic, in that the alcoholic, no matter how bad he feels for the stupid crap he does when he’s drinking, and all the times he will say he’s going to change, chemically and due to disease, he can’t do it and continues down the same path. When Jameis steps on the field, it’s like something isn’t firing in his brain, and he continues to make the same stupid mistakes. Sure, he went a few games last year where he protected the ball, just like from time to time an alcoholic will give up drinking for a few weeks before they go back to drinking, but as he showed last Sunday, he’s “off the wagon” again. And before anyone blasts me, NO, I’m not saying Jameis is an alcoholic, I’m just using an alcoholic as a comparison to his struggles on the field. I’d love nothing more than to see Jameis live up to all the expectations we had for him, but I don’t think he’ll ever be that guy.
September 10th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Mariota
Andy Dalton
Case Keenum
Aaron Rodgers
Gardner Minshew/Nick Foles
All played in new offenses or with new coordinators none looked as inaccurate or turned it over like the 1st pick in the 2015 draft who was hyped as the best QB prospect since Luck who was Pro Ready and with a high football IQ
Still waiting for Jameis to play like the pre draft hype we got from the local media and FSU fans
September 10th, 2019 at 12:58 pm
mark
so why is byron being taken to the wood shed along with JW?….
play calling was good imo….design was good as well imo….
run game was good enough to win….defense played good enough to win….
that loss belongs to winston….simple as that….
GO BUCS!!!!!
September 10th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Still don’t understand how the name Ralph substitutes for throwing up. That’s my dad’s name.
September 10th, 2019 at 2:21 pm
Joe are you saying jake fromm is your pick?
September 10th, 2019 at 3:14 pm
FROMM??? That opinion will change before too long. I think that Franks under Mullen has gotten remarkably better. He hit his first 15 passes last weekend. And he can throw like 70 yards
September 10th, 2019 at 4:54 pm
“And if Jameis doesn’t turn things around and the Bucs draft, say, Jake Fromm in the spring, what better circumstances could a rookie quarterback fall into? Look at the Bucs’ coaching staff. Look at the weapons the rookie (Fromm?) would have to throw to.”
Its a win-win either way… best of luck to JW and the 2020 QB class!
September 10th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
Why not sign Kaepernick and salvage the season.
September 10th, 2019 at 5:20 pm
Why doesn’t anybody who actually watched the game listen to coach? He said the first INT 100% on OJ Howard. The second completely on Barber- he is the hot read and he goes to the sideline (or out) not a hook, the 3rd is on Jameis but he even said that our o-lineman picked our RB so he couldn’t get to his spot, but Jameis has to throw that into the ground. I agree. Next he said Jameis leads us down the field and OJ fumbles in the red zone, can’t happen and lastly, you can’t get your punt blocked especially in that area of the field. So everybody STFU and let the coach do his job.
BTW defense played excellent, but where was all the blitzing we were promised? Especially on 3rd and Long? Also 1 game in- no kicking issues. Offense will get on track, the other facets are improving. So again STFu, we are in second place by one game, LOL.
September 10th, 2019 at 5:23 pm
813-did you see any separation between our WRs and DBs, generally speaking? I didn’t. I was looking specifically for it because I thought that Dirks offense, as good as it ended up being, had that issue too. You watch Houston, Saints, KC, NE and they have WRs wide ass open, we rarely see that in Tampa.
September 10th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
That was also five years ago, which is an eternity in NFL years.
I don’t expect Arians to bench Winston, he has too much pride in his own ability to give up on Winston this early. He’ll ride him for as long as he can come up with excuses for his play. At a certain point he’ll run out of other players to blame and throw under the bus and he’ll have no choice but to move on.
September 10th, 2019 at 6:45 pm
Decent point. Jameis DOES have quite a lot of bad habits to break and it was naive to think BA could waltz in and fix it over a single off-season. *Fine* I’ll give Jameis more time before I throw in the towel on the BA-reprogramming effort.
September 10th, 2019 at 6:50 pm
i am in the minority here but this is mental for Jameis. Fans are a big part of the problem. The guy has proven himself as a QB in the past and most every respected critic praises his skills and ability as a young QB. Does he make mistakes – Yep !
Every FB player lives under the “That’s MY QB” motto.
What if fans quit trying to down him every single solitary second for any possible reason. Support the team. He is The Bucs QB. So if you are a true fan – #3 is your QB! Seriously, last year was begging for Fitz to replace him. Did you see the Dolphins game this week?
Yes, I get it that this likely as likely as world peace to happen but enough is enough!
September 10th, 2019 at 10:13 pm
Jameis came to the Bucs as a rookie who was coached by Koetter. Apparently he was not coached to do fundaMENTAL things like how to get rid of the ball. JAMEIS was trained by Koetter! I watched the Falcons Matt did not play much better!
Another observation can you pull the ball back if your receiver isn’t in his anticipated spot.
If the throws are according to anticipations and route running, how does the fans no better than the coach, receiver or the QB?
Just sayin!