Did Zebras Screw With Jameis’ Head?

September 8th, 2019

Bruce Arians explains.

Joe is going to go more into detail about a bizarre fourth quarter intentional grounding call against America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, which may have led to his game-deciding pick-six.

In the fourth quarter with the Bucs holding a first down on the 49ers-9, Jameis was under pressure and threw the ball toward Clearwater. Tight end Cam Brate seemed as if he was blasted at the end of the play and a flag went up.

Joe and just about everyone in the press box thought it was a late hit or defensive pass interference. Instead it was intentional grounding.

Though this was explained on the game broadcast it was not explained to Bucs players as they seemed as confused as the entire press corps about why and how that was intentional grounding.

Brate said after the game the call was not explained to the Bucs. But that may have stuck in Jameis’ head to hear Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians after the game.

Asked for his description of Jameis’ fatal pick-six, Arians had this to say:

“He’s trying to throw a screen and the back [Dare Ogunbowale] doesn’t get out,” Arians said. “He’s trying to throw the ball away. But he had already gotten the one grounding call. … Just throw at their feet. He was trying to throw it away.”

If Joe is to believe Arians — and why wouldn’t Joe? — did that grounding call screw with Jameis’ head that he couldn’t throw the ball away, or risk another flag and then try to force it?

When are Bucs fans going to reach the finish line of explanations why Jameis screwed up? And if a flag — albeit a strange call — gets into his noggin that much that he forgets simple fundamentals, can the Bucs bank on such a quarterback for the future? At some $30 million a year?

95 Responses to “Did Zebras Screw With Jameis’ Head?”

  1. Pittsshore Says:

    Too many chromosomes screwed with Apples Turnovers head.

  2. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Yeah, I’d like to know why we got a PI for a ball 15 feet over a receivers head?

  3. Buc believer Says:

    No I think the Bucs are screwing with the fans heads to explain ANOTHER horrible loss! My God WHEN will the excuses stop??

  4. Gman Says:

    Screw that…sign Quinton Flowers…at least he will play smart and with heart.

  5. Pittsshore Says:

    Let him go Joe. It will be okay in the long run. The first step in realizing an addiction is to accept that you have one.

  6. Gettinthebucs Says:

    Jameis is gone man. It sucks especially being a big fan of his but these kind of mental errors lose games at this level. Wish it would’ve worked.😭

  7. EA Says:

    I wonder how many games it’s gonna take BA to realize JW doesn’t really learn from his mistakes.

  8. 813bucboi Says:

    Nawl….no excuses for that pick….throw at his feet and live to play another down…..just like how he played another down after the first penalty…..

    That was just a horrible decision and horrible pass….

    I remember when BA said he can tolerate 1 INT but not multiple….I hope Winston remembers the same thing


  9. Gman Says:

    Buc believer….they stop when we stop caring. I have finally reached that point and will be putting the balance of this season’s tickets for sale online. This organization is not worthy being financially or emotionally invested in.

  10. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    So the list of the excuses grows for this QB

    Own the mistake, he’s just not very good

  11. Jmarkbuc Says:

    Hey Arians

    How bout you lay off the excuse making? You are rapidly becoming a joke. So much forbear no a straight shooter, no BS kinda coach…you’re just here for the check huh?

  12. Jmarkbuc Says:

    “For being a”

  13. Old Sombrero Kid Says:

    America’s Quarterback? More like America’s Turnover Machine

  14. JimmyJack Says:

    Well let’s see. Winston has been making awful terrible decision at stupid times for 5 years now. I won’t even call it a reach to think it had anything to do with a pentalty from earlier……I’ll just call it stupid.

    This guy does not play at the level of a professional QB.

  15. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Getinthebucs – agree

  16. Figures Says:

    Lol hahahah
    How pathetic.

    Yea it was the refs fault lol.

    My god the excuses never end.

  17. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    If by Divine Intervention the Bucs have a winning season this year, it will be due to Todd Bowles Defense and a promising running game.

    Fact remains that a new QB is needed next year. Winston doesn’t deserve the franchise tag or a new contract even if the team has success somehow.

    I’m almost bracing myself emotionally for ME13 to demand a trade halfway into the season.

  18. Jim Says:

    God, will the excuses never end? That last pic by Jameis said it all, the worst pic ever thrown and pure Jameis.

  19. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I am not giving Winston anymore passes. Pun intended.

  20. jjbucfan Says:

    Gman- you just said we should sign Quinton Flowers- so you should stop posting because what you say from this point on doesn’t matter. Just messing with you. It is one game and this one is on Jameis. He does have an accomplice and it is Dotson- don’t excuse him for his Huge mistakes. O-line pass blocking was poor, run blocking in second half was great. The good news is so far Koetter still sucks and so does Cam. We are tied right now for last…but also tied for first. Let’s see what happens boys and golirls.

  21. Greg Says:

    Man, I’ve hoped that Name is would live up to all the potential we thought he had coming out of FSU, but he never will, at least not here with this s**t team. Face it, we will be in full on rebuild next year, and the idiot Licht will be building it because the trust fund babies are too stupid to actually bring in folks who understand how to build a team.

  22. ElioT Says:

    Jameis was NOT out of the pocket and threw that ball to Timbuktu!!

    I knew it was IG right away.

    Just another example of horrific decisions by “America’s QB” AKA: Jameis “I’ll f**k up a wet dream” Winston.

    The job of an NFL QB is perhaps the hardest in sports, and Jameis continues to prove he does not have the brains or mental toughness to perform at a high level on a consistent basis.

  23. ElioT Says:

    Jameis was NOT out of the pocket and threw that ball to Timbuktu!!

    Another horrible example of a totally non-cerebral QB.

  24. Greg Says:

    Jameis not name is, stupid auto correct

  25. jjbucfan Says:


  26. BA just WHISPERED Jameis SUCKS! Says:

    What else is he going to say …. can’t hurt Jameis feelings He SUCKS bad enough with no pressure on him!

  27. Jim Says:

    So a question for Arians: You said you won’t accept more than one interception and Jameis just threw three. You benching him?

  28. Rayjay1122 Says:

    Can we trade the Glazers for Robert Kraft?

  29. Jmarkbuc Says:


    No team would win with the stupid ish JW does……

  30. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Maybe that Kwon hit did make a difference. Bet they think so in SF locker room

  31. Fire Goodell Says:

    America’s Turnover Machine

  32. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Good thing ole stale biscuit called out the ref , saying that ” the officials are the ones that need the preseason”!!!!!!!!!

    2019 will reveal answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  33. Buc believer Says:

    This will screw with Buc fans heads… Lichts record 27-54 still employed! SHOCKING! QB whisperer 0-1

  34. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Excellent question Jim. Does anyone in the media have the cajones to ask that question (or one similar to that)?

  35. DalvinCookRules Says:

    You cannot get rid of Jameis without getting rid of Licht.

  36. Pete Says:

    I was sure the Bucs would drive for the winning TD on that “final” possession!

  37. Figures Says:

    Rod munch

    Where are youuuuuu?

    Yea that’s what I thought.

    Ndog stfu you excuse maker.

    You’re such a blind stupid idiot that needs the stupid slapped out of them. However it’ll take a lot of smacking to get all that stupid out of you.

    Where’s your boy rod? Yea figures. Idiots.

  38. K2 Says:

    Jameis screws with Jameis head…. If I saw their best corner playing on a running back… would throw to one of 3 great receivers. Not Difficult!

  39. Tony1775 Says:

    I think more and more you’re a troll. “America’s Pro Bowl QB” give me a break.

  40. JameisNOT Says:

    So sad that this organization has him their hat on this QB. Big battle for us and Miami for the number one pick in next year’s draft, I’m sure we will stew that up as well. Carolina will crush is on Thursday night.

  41. Jean Lafitte Says:

    I’m dangling a carrot for NDog. C’mon boy. Jameis was never the same after Kwon’s illegal helmet hit

  42. OklahomaBucFan Says:

    To answer your Question Joe, Hell No!

  43. Adrnagy Says:

    Can someone explain…. looking for a kicker , drafted acouple. Signed acouple. You find your guy and you go for it on 4th down? Bruce .. there’s 10min left in ball game. Take the points. Next drive we would of tie it !

  44. Buc1987 Says:

    Can Arians fix Winston?

    I’m not so sure.

    15 more games to find out though.

    Go Bucs! (Where I have no idea)

  45. ElioT Says:

    Not sure Arians totally understood what he was getting into with Tampa.

    Our hair-lipped moron GM sold him the moon with this “talented” QB crap.

    Problem is, I think this team has plenty of talent despite #lichtmyb*lls’ horrific draft and FA record. Far too much talent to be right in the crosshairs of ANOTHER complete rebuild.

    49ers suck and didn’t want this game. The Bucs gave it away, at home and now have a seriously tough batch of games coming up.

  46. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Jameis will always be Jameis

    he’ll never change

  47. Bob in Valrico Says:

    America’s Pro Bowl Impersonator is more appropriate right now. Who knew you could make 20 million doing that?

  48. Rayjay1122 Says:

    I wish Thursday night was not nationally televised. The whole nation gets to witness this slop.

  49. AceOfAerospace Says:

    Having these discussions about a fifth year starter just proves he sucks.

  50. Jason S. Mclaurin Says:

    Im with Arians all the way on this but im putting that final int on Dotson. He really played like he’s past his prime today folks. Tmaxcon is right about him. They need to move on from Dotson like tomorrow. He had multiple penalties as usual and allowed all the pressure. D. Smith had a good game. Not great but it was good. Jameis was great damn the haters which is sad. He had one legit turnover. The rest was on OJ Howard who had terrible game. The fumble and the int killed us today. I wonder if T. Hudson will get some more game reps? Seriously though Jameis had one turnover where he missed Godwin and was immature by going at R. Sherman the whole game as well. The defense played bout as good as they could play given the turnover ratio. The fumbles by OJ, bad blocking on the RT, penalties on RT we’re the doom. Anybody blaming Jameis don’t know the game deep. I agree with BA on this one but I just think Dotson gotta go he was awful today and he played like he always does which is telling. He failed Winston from start to finish and took away from Cappa as well

  51. Blackmagic00 Says:

    Idk. I’m laughing my a$$ off. If he threw the ball at the feet, everyone would be calling him inaccurate because the ball was underthrown. Seriously, no matter what, our beloved qb is beat up by the fanbase no matter what. Yes, Winston sucks because of accuracy, however, no matter what he does everyone will find the fault. Unfortunately for us, Brady will retire soon and Winston will probably go to the Patriots and win some superbowls. It’s a bucslife!

  52. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Okay how many points did our offense score. We’re supposed to average at least 24.5 ppg to win games. At this rate our defense will have to pitch shutouts to win.

    So how about that first pick, first NFL season, first NFL game Kyle Murray?

    Remember Joe’s famous come back “And get rid of Jameis for another rookie QB?

    …uhh yeah Joe ..that’s exactly what we’re sayin’

  53. TampaTown Says:

    I keep rooting for this kid and wishing for him to turn the corner and put all this nonsense behind him. It’s just sad that it doesn’t happen. And if we draft another QB we’re starting over AGAIN. How much more can we take?

  54. Jimmy Says:

    Sure. Whatever justification helps you sleep at night, Joe.

  55. View from 132 Says:

    Didn’t see this coming…. found a run game, reasonably decent D, Kwon gets kicked out, and our PASSING GAME can’t solve one of the worst pass defenses out there? Jameis plays so much like Dilfer is uncanny.

  56. Bird Says:

    I was at the sweaty ball game

    Jameis looked in command of his own nut sack
    You don’t care about command

    He looked like Jameis

  57. JimmyJack Says:

    Elliot the truth really hurts man.

    The 49ers didn’t look like they wanted it at all and we choked away another opportunity. At home none the less.

    Perfect example was that weak defense they gave us on the third and long conversion by Ronald Jones(just before the called back TDs).

    Over and over again this team just always seems to find a way to lose and never a way to win.

    To start off your season by giving up a punt block really should have told us all how this game was going to turn out.

  58. ElioT Says:

    5th year starter, in only two systems, both of which lauded for their capacity to support and foster a good QB.

    Jameis has puked all over his **** here.

    He better step it the **** up right away, or we’re all in for a world of hurt… again.

  59. Greg Says:

    TampaTown, people have been taking it here since 1976, starting over nothing new

  60. Bird Says:

    One thing about this site

    Arians said “fantastic “
    Creepy joe said “5 hole” bing spot

  61. Pelbuc61 Says:

    Sadly, BA was hired to save Licht who drafted the mistake known as JW. The trust fund babies got conned by all 3. Now Licht has a 5 yr contract as well as BA. To let go of Winston (which they should) would be an admission none of them knew what they were doing. It’s gonna be a long few more years of this crap.

  62. Southfloridabuc Says:

    DB55 is pretty quiet today. He finally understood that Jameis is no good

  63. Bucs_Fan_Orlando Says:

    JW has the worst week 1 qb rating our of any qb including the backup Jags QB who didn’t know he was going to play, Dorset with had bad luck to start, RG3 who played a series and had a TD, whoever the rookie in Arizona is,…… All of them. He is in last place for QB rating….. That’s impressively bad.

    You play your best in a contract year…. Oh boy……

    JW isn’t a starting QB in the NFL, the slower we rip this bandaid off the worst it’s gonna be.

  64. Jean Lafitte Says:

    are you kidding JimmyJack? I could hear the collective air leave the lungs of all the fans in the stadium from my house after that blocked punt. lol

  65. Blackmagic00 Says:

    Actually, luckily, if we start over at qb we won’t be rebuilding. Thankfully, the majority of the team is still young and intact. Even if Evans, suh and david move on, we have a number one wr, we can draft the rest. Qb and right tackle are our Achilles heal.

  66. Chris l Says:

    Wow jameis is more weak mentally than ever. Honestly for all of his leadership talk and how hard he works, he is a horrible player.

  67. Ed Kerber Says:

    Short week is not the week to tell the truth. If Jameis is this bad on Thursday, it is time to give up and mine in.

  68. NPRSageBoy Says:

    If JayMiss can’t clear his head after a bad play, who needs him?

    Maybe the Hillsbourgh County under 30 Flag Football league has an opening for a high priced QB.

  69. Chris l Says:

    Joe – serious question here: how do you cope with this? This team causes so much heartache and despair it is horrible. I can barely talk to anyone after a loss and I imagine it must be hard to write about it but please provide what you do because I don’t understand if I will ever be able to be happy in life watching this bullsh** week after week.

  70. Oregonbucsfan Says:

    What an incredible game this ways! Unfortunately, our heroes did not quite win. And, so it goes. Start of a new Buc season. One that many here predicted 9+ wins. There were tremendous, I thought, gains over last year’s team. Overall, I don’t recognize this defense. It is totally to me, different and more promising than any I’ve since many years ago. They don’t seem predictable to me, which I think is good.
    ROJO woke like Sleeping Beauty and looked very effective. It would be interesting to see him run on a long play- -maybe on some more screens.
    And, of course there is the negative. I doubt Famous Jameis is going to survive this one. To start the game he was, as usual, high. I’ll let the stats speak for themselves. But, don’t forget, he had two INTs dropped by the 49rs down close. He is, was, and I think forever a turnover machine. He has flashes of excellence at times, however, they come far too seldom. Concentrate on the draft.
    For this year, 5-6 wins. Sorry. I’m sorry, also.
    Where’s NOSBOS?

  71. knucknbuc Says:

    or you know… jameis could’ve just ate the sack not ideal but still 2nd and what 18? with such a hig powered o and all these weapons. but yea lets make excuses too that works.

  72. Adrnagy Says:

    I guess the hit from Alexander to Jameis head really hurt him. 3int and a trip to the hospital after the game.

  73. Blackmagic00 Says:

    Adrnagy, what? Winston went to the hospital?

  74. BucsBandit Says:

    Someone inform Joe that this play was on 1ST DOWN. High-Football-IQ Winston hardly made this mistake because he was confused about the other call.

    WATCH THE REPLAY of that play again…

    49ers LB Greenlaw (#57) realizes it’s a screen long before Winston even throws the ball… Greenlaw shifts left and sheds his block from Jensen, and immediately JAMS Dare from being able to run into the flat.

    Winston’s JOB is to make sure his RB releases into the flat. Winston does not THROW THE BALL away. He doesn’t realize Dare hasn’t released and just throws the prayer thinking he’ll be there. This is 100% on Winston. A terrible mistake.

  75. mh1023 Says:

    I blame Greg Schiano for getting in the head of Jameis Winston. Perhaps the clock installed shortly after Schiano touching down at TIA is to blame? Maybe Mike Glennon is to blame? Glennon was the pick to screw up Freeman and drove him to the good party 3 years prior to Glennon arriving.

    The Bucs hired 15 QB whisperers to solve the problem.

    Moral of the story: If a clock disrupts team chemistry and it lingers on for years, you are the definition of dysfunction. No coach is walking through that door to solve it. Winston was never the answer, only the sheep who buy that “franchise QB” nonsense will bite.

  76. Coburn Says:

    I think Joe is giving Jameis too much credit here. No way dowe Jameis even think that much before he throws. It would also suggest that he actually has the capacity to at least reflect on mistakes and try to correct them.

  77. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    Anybody watching the Pats? It’s not that hard, quick passes… Slants, screens, finesse, play action, and common sense! SORT IT OUT!!! PLAY FOOTBALL YOU SILLY A$$ BANDITS. PLAYERS SHOULD BE DOCKED GAME CHECKS OR SOMETHING FOR THIS INCOMPETENCE. THE ZEBRAS TOO… BA… THIS WAS BS. Truly disappointing. Again, and again. Woof.

  78. BucsBandit Says:


    LOLZ. Winston would never go to the Patriots and play. They rely on short drops and some of the fastest passes in the league (hence the reason Brady is rarely touched). Winston leads the league in holding the ball too long.

  79. Bucco Edd Says:

    Don’t need 15 more games to figure out if Winston can put it together. He is what he’s always been, a turnover prone qb. You will never win with a turnover prone qb.

  80. mh1023 Says:


    The same sheep who buy the “franchise QB” (nobody can define it) nonsense are seeking an out at the moment, it’s called operational dysfunction. The Glazer kids love a nice circus. I’m 40 and held season tickets for 12 years, this operation is a mess. They build backwards and drafted a (turnover prone in college) QB to heal their wounds. The Patriots have a dynasty because the other 3 teams in their division are basically the Buccaneers dysfunction every year. That’s almost 6 guaranteed wins, you do that math. The End.

  81. wantstastayabuc Says:

    nod to mh1023

  82. BUC CHEEKS Says:

    Nod all you want -> Look it up… The Patriots are 71-19 since 2003 in the AFC East. That’s a .788 winning percentage. Outside the division, they are 118-32 (.786). THEY ARE WELL COACHED AND HAVEN’T HAD CONSTANT TURNOVER LIKE US. GD, this is soooooo FRUSTRATING!!!

  83. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    The way I see it…new system, new teachings, a new focus on mechanics…truth be told, I did not expect to win this game going in. I figured too many units needed time to gel together first.

    No excuses for Winston. He played poorly. Period. But that doesn’t mean it will continue like that. Arian didn’t show me anything this week. Todd sure did though. The defense was very much improved.

    Suh was fantastic. Davis was great. White was mostly invisible except for a few plays. They had him defending the pass…dropping back. Matt Gay filled my heart with joy. Being able to count on him is a big boost.

    The offense will get better. We might need the defense and our kicker to carry the team through the first few weeks.

    It might be popular to bash Winston right now…he certainly earned it today…but if Arians is all he is said to be, Winston will turn things around quickly.

    Although, if the oline doesn’t start doing better, Winston might get injured. If that happens, I hope Gabbert is not back yet.

  84. firethecannons Says:

    There are no excuses, Winston is unable to keep the rock safe. It has always been this way and we will need to move on which will help keep us out of salary cap hell next season.

  85. Rod Munch Says:

    Winston threw 2 INTs throwing to the RB, when Barber cut inside on a throw and he threw outside – and on that last play when Dare ran right into two 49ers lineman when Winston was throwing it to where he was supposed to be. I don’t think it has anything to do with the fake news complete BS intentional grounding, it has to do with him and Barber not being on the same page, and with Dare getting caught up in the line. In any case the 49ers appeared to be waiting on that last play, even if they didn’t know it was a middle screen, they knew it was some sort of screen. The simpleton talk radio/message board d-bags will just yell and scream because they’re too stupid to know what was being called there and what happened, but in any case you need to see results. Leftwich did, I believe, a terrible job today outside of the TD drive where they went to more of a hurry up and they weren’t so incredibly predictable. When we’re one game into the season and even the idiots here know what is coming, there’s a problem.

  86. mh1023 Says:

    BUC CHEEKS Says:
    September 8th, 2019 at 11:13 pm
    Nod all you want -> Look it up… The Patriots are 71-19 since 2003 in the AFC East. That’s a .788 winning percentage. Outside the division, they are 118-32 (.786). THEY ARE WELL COACHED AND HAVEN’T HAD CONSTANT TURNOVER LIKE US. GD, this is soooooo FRUSTRATING!!!

    2 captains from the 2012 Buccaneer roster complained and won out with ownership because a head coach installed a clock in the locker room. That coach never had a chance because the Glazer family allows the players to run the roster and locker room, dysfunction. I dropped my season tickets about 3 weeks later, that was the moment I knew the Glazer kids have no clue. They hired this coach to lay down the law and fired him because of this style.

  87. unbelievable Says:

    Those last 2 INTs were awful throws Rod, cmon.

    Kwon dropped another lame duck as well.

    Jameis looked all out of whack from the start. His footwork and mechanics look more messed up than ever.

  88. DB55 Says:

    So I have to agree that jameis executes the play as called without consideration to what’s happening on the field.

    “It was a trust play/throw” said Winston when asked about the screen that led to the pick 6. In other words I was expecting my guy to be where he’s supposed to be. I’d say the same thing happened with Barber and the Sherman pick 6. Winston threw that pass before Barber broke off his route, a timing play imo.

    Winston can’t win. It’s either too early or too late and when he hit Evans in stride he falls to the ground. Pavlov’s dog, everybody scared of getting hit, understandably so I guess.

  89. BucsBandit Says:

    Rod once again you’re out of your mind.

    #57 on the 49ers reads that it’s a screen and runs over to jam Dare, keeping him from releasing. It’s Jameis’ job to look and make sure the RB releases before throwing the ball. That’s Pee Wee football 101.

  90. BucsBandit Says:


    “Winston can’t win” because HE sucks, not because of others.

  91. Tval Says:

    The blocked punt set the RIDICULOUS tone. Jameis just needs to keep it simple and put it on the team more. He can’t force the Bucs to be good. Sidenote; 2 backup titans o-linemen looked better than the Bucs starters. Baker was worse. I watched that game and have heard EVERYONE here, bashing Jameis, pretend Baker was some franchise savior for Cleveland. Trade straight up and watch Cleveland BALL OUT and Tampa get EVEN WORSE!!!!!! 😁😁😀😀 you wanted Trubisky last month and Baker two days ago. Just watch the growth week to week and don’t expect immediate results with no real running game to speak of

  92. Tval Says:

    In fairness, Munch, Byron has to get a feel for what his guys are good at. If you don’t see them improve, GREATLY, id be surprised and upset if I were a fan. They’ll execute better vs Carolina and he’ll see “hurry up” is advantageous for Jameis and the offense if it’s that glaring of a difference. No reason to put Jameis in those predicaments that rely on COMPLETE execution, from a TRASH line and backfield. That IS DUMB!!!!

  93. BigHog Says:

    We lost …on to practice, walk-thru, adjustments,and THRUSDAY NITE FOOTBALL!!!

  94. MDFree Says:

    No but seriously though, that was truly an odd penalty. Even the announcers were saying in all their years of football experience and knowledge they couldn’t figure out why that flag was throw. I’ve seen countless throws like that where the qb who’s under duress just throws it out of the back of the end zone instead of forcing a turnover and have never once seen that flag thrown for intentional grounding. What was the explanation by the way???

  95. tgregs Says:

    His head is permanently pre-screwed