“Volume” Challenge For Jameis

June 12th, 2019

For years Bucs fans have heard a ton about the impressive football IQ of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.

Is Jameis an exceptionally smart NFL QB?

Joe’s not sure. In order to know that answer, Joe would have to understand exactly why Jameis has thrown so many interceptions and fumbled so many times in his career.

What is clear, however, is that Jameis is learning a new offense for the first time since 2015.

That’s no easy feat. And per former NFL player and team executive Louis Riddick, Jameis has a mountainous task on his hands/brain.

“When Carson Palmer was with Bruce Arians in Arizona, he used to talk a lot about how much volume there was in this offense, No. 1, a ton of different plays that they would put in every week. So that’s the first thing that Jameis is going to have to go ahead and conquer: try to learn a new offense with tremendous volume,” Riddick said on NFL Live on BSPN.

Riddick’s “No. 2,” was Jameis needing to thrive with the long ball, something Riddick believes Jameis struggles with, because the Bucs can’t expect a good rushing attack.

“Can you then take all that volume, make good decisions, protect the football, deliver the long ball, so this offense then becomes explosive being that it doesn’t have a very consistent running game or one that they can count on at this point?” Riddick asked.

“Unrealistic” is how Riddick characterized the Bucs’ playoff chances in 2019.

87 Responses to ““Volume” Challenge For Jameis”

  1. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    When your hyped up as a #1 overall QB out of the draft as “Pro Ready” “High football IQ” and able to “Throw guys open” but after over 50 starts you are competing with Bortles for the league lead in turnovers then maybe the scouts were wrong.

    Having a high IQ for the game isn’t translating to wins or making good decisions time for something to click or a new qb to be brought in

  2. DoooshLaRue Says:

    Oh boy ……. here comes Ndog and his lackies with their excuses and stats.

  3. Succaneers Says:

    1-15 w that loser at the helm

  4. #1bucsfan Says:

    better coaching an schemes will take this team to the next level might not be in just one offseason but we shall improve. #endthedrought

  5. D-Rome Says:

    Is Jameis an exceptionally smart NFL QB?

    Watch the Bengals game last year and you tell me.

  6. Dapostman Says:

    Best year yet coming for Winston in 2019. These talking heads need to play the ‘can he do it card’. What else would they be talking about? Winston has improved every year and I believe he will improve even more so in 2019. Then the negative Winston posters won’t have much to talk about so they will either change their screen name and jump on the bandwagon OR fade away like dust in the wind. Here’s to hoping they fade away. Negative energy needs to be removed from OBP.

  7. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    There’s classroom Q&A smart and real time live fire decision making, execution smart… I have no doubt Jameis is the former

  8. 813bucboi Says:

    winston will be fine….its the trenches that im worried about….as long as we can run the ball and stop the run we’ll be fine….

    GO BUCS!!!!

  9. Slugglife Says:

    If you predict 1-15, which game can we look forward to winning?

  10. DB55 Says:

    Joe would have to understand exactly why Jameis has thrown so many interceptions and fumbled so many times in his career.
    ——————
    Can you ask Derrick Brooks if he’d be willing to break down film for us? Would be a great addition to an already strong line-up and it might teach us something we don’t already know.

  11. DB55 Says:

    Can you then take all that volume, make good decisions, protect the football, deliver the long ball,…..as you’re being hit and pressured by 3 guys within 2 seconds of hiking the ball?
    —————–
    There I fixed it.

  12. WyldKat Says:

    That sounds like our running game too. Hike, handoff, kerplowie.

  13. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @D-Rome

    Bengals game was definitely his worst game as a pro. Complete mental collapse. In general it was obvious the Ryan Fitz effect had him pressing…

    If we want to cherry pick single games then here’s a few other from 2018:

    12/16 for 199 yards 2 TD 1 INT + 16 rush yards (Giants)
    29/38 for 312 yards 2 TD 0 INT + 24 rush yards (49ers)
    20/30 for 249 yards 2 TD 0 INT + 48 rushing yards (Panthers)
    22/35 for 345 yards / 4 TD 1 INT + 23 rushing yards (Falcons)

    All 4 of those games came in the last 7 starts after Fitz went back to sucking.

    Cumulative total of last 7 starts:

    148/230 (64%) for 1811 yards, 13 TD, 4 INT

    Prorated to a full season:

    364/566 (64%) for 4457 yards, 32 TD, 10 INT

    Seems pretty promising / enough to have some faith going into 2019 but wtfdik

    GO BUCS!

  14. Dapostman Says:

    @Lord Cornelius,

    2 of those 4 picks were last play hail marys so the ratio is an even more impressive 13/2. It’s obvious Winston doesn’t care about stats because he could have easily just over thrown those two. Instead he gave his guy a chance to make a play. No harm when the game is over anyway.

  15. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Jameis Dilfer

  16. tickrdr Says:

    In the Chris Simms’ “knuckleheaded” thread, I commented that the worst play I could remember was the fumble vs. the Giants at the 3 yd line, where Jameis was carrying the ball in his outstretched left hand, which gets stripped and luckily recovered by Mike Evans in the endzone for a TD. That is NOT a play expected of a 4th year veteran QB, especially one purported to have a high football IQ???

    Another example might be the 2nd INT vs. NO in the last game of 2017. Ball on the Saints’ 22 yd line, the Bucs with 3rd and 14, and trailing by one point (IIRC), and Jameis has great pass blocking on the play (Sorry DB55), but decides to throw off his back foot to a “bracketed” and well-covered Mike Evans. IMHO, there are numerous other examples as well.

    tickrdr

  17. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Good points…and it spells D – I – S – A – S- T – E- R

  18. Todd Says:

    I’m praying OJ Simpson does something stupid to get back in the news…then Joe might have something other than why Jameis sucks and why GMC leaving was a loss.

  19. SCBucsFan Says:

    AE Trent Dilfer is a Super Bowl winning QB. And your accomplishments are…

  20. FireJasonLicht Says:

    I think our running game will be better under Godwin and Arians. I truly believe just by a simple coaching change this Oline, Running game, and defense will be alot better. I believe with this coaching staff this team can win 9 or 10 games. I think they will add a RG and DE by opening day and I dont think we are done going after Mo Claiborne. This isn’t the final roster. I dont see E. Smith or Gholston being with this team by the end of camp either. They will be moved to create space for the new additions.

  21. jmarkbuc Says:

    DB55

    Jameis had a “clean Pocket” 2/3 of the time.

  22. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    SCB what a ridiculous analogy…

  23. m0j0 Says:

    The Bucs will be much better than people are anticipating. Winston really showed a lot of good things last season, and he has bought in and been all business so far this offseason, so there is no reason to believe the Bucs won’t again have a very good if not great offense. The question mark that will make or break the Bucs is the defense, and things are pointing up on that side as well.

  24. Crack3rK Says:

    Why Jamies has fumble so much…

    Joe pointed to the Chris Simms video yesterday where Simms stated Jameis had small hands. Bad O-Line play at times, holding the ball too long and having small hands (less grip) certainly contributes to fumbles when angry D-Linemen come charging in.

  25. Jean Lafitte Says:

    We’re accustomed and conditioned for losing anyway. I don’t know why some chastise this fanbase for being the worst in football. As if we’re supposed to be happy we have so many basement trophies. Hey, at least we’re always in the running for the highest draft pick every season. There’s that. Just to get to an 8-8 season would be an overwhelming sense of accomplishment.

  26. Bucsfanman Says:

    One way or another, one SIDE or another, the excuses are going to run out. In the end, it will be the Bucs WITH Jameis as QB or WITHOUT him.
    I hope it’s with him but I will not lose sleep if we have to move on from him. It’s about the TEAM.

  27. DB55 Says:

    @tick
    I replied to you yesterday. It was in moderation but it’s up now.

    @jmark
    Lies, all lies I say.

  28. SOEbuc Says:

    Once again, Jameis has had an entire BS NFL coaching squad since he got drafted #1 after winning NCAA National Championship and Heisman.

    I think Jameis has very good QB IQ. Last 6 games in 2018 when everyone already knew Dirk and his entire coaching staff was going to get torched, he took matters on the field into his own hands. Started using his great scrambling ability. Three picks last six games (one a bomb at the last second).

    Honestly think he’s gonna make a major turn into becoming a smarter, more mature vet with BA and his coaching squadrine. If not, maybe Sam Ellingher (Texas) will apply for the draft. 6’3″ bulldozer that can put it anywhere on the field and broke Big XII record for passes without interceptions. Very much please this Longhorn fan if Jameis were to get flushed.

  29. NOSBOS Says:

    2016 eagles 7 and 9 no playoffs. Next season 13 and 3 Super Bowl champions. Wonder what he thought their playoffs chances were going into that season.

  30. NOSBOS Says:

    Years ago they emphasized this thing called “parity”. It’s lead to 5 new playoff teams every year last 20 seasons. I strongly believe we up.

  31. TexBuc Says:

    When I put my armchair coaching hat I see Koetter went out of his way to take away things Winston seemed to excel in. Winston does exceptionally well on roll out plays giving receivers time to complete routes and giving him extra time before QB pressure arrives, but Koetter eliminated roll out plays. He has in my opinion does well in a hurry up offense or 2 minute offense whatever people like to call it, but again Koetter restricted this strength again.
    When you consider Arian’s philosophy and history of playing to a QB’s strengths then we can all but disregard Mr. Riddick’s “assessment” as GARBAGE and assume he does not really know what he is looking at or he just dislikes Winston.

  32. Race to 10 Says:

    Is he saying lol that ow with all these years as a pro it’s to difficult to expect him to come to camp and learn a new offense quickly you know kinda like he did as a rookie? No wonder some of these dudes csnt get real NFL jobs. It’s done every year of teams changing offensive and defensive schemes and actually being better for it. No one is going to be able to use the playbook excuse because it’s way to common

  33. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses Excuses

  34. NOSBOS Says:

    So yet another example of team hiring a new HC an experiencing immediate winning. Nagy in Chicago Pederson in Philly. Next up BA in the Bay.

  35. NOSBOS Says:

    D$&@ I left out McVay.

  36. T REX Says:

    Todd, have you thought about going to a psychiatrist? I think some counseling might do you some good.

  37. Bobby M. Says:

    I believe Jameis does have a very high football IQ…..his problem is decision making when the bullets are flying. Two totally different traits. Jameis has all the “characteristics” you can ask for in a franchise QB….Exceptional work ethic, desire to lead, size/arm strength, athletic ability, high football IQ…..BUT….his two faults are decision making and accuracy. I’m convinced no matter how much one tries, you can not coach that, particularly at this stage of his career. You can however game plan around it….minimize it….counter balance it with great defense, tactical play calling, time management, etc……If you do all that, Winston is at best a very good game manager…..can you win consistently with that….I think so. Will you go deep consistently……doubtful.

  38. NOSBOS Says:

    I forgot about Frank Reich in Indy and Dan Quinn in atl. All these guys took over and went str8 to the playoffs but BA shouldn’t be expected to. Right.

  39. NOSBOS Says:

    How could I forget about Doug Marone in jville

  40. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Bobby M…my thoughts exactly…

  41. NOSBOS Says:

    I might as well add in Vance Joseph of the chargers

  42. SmoothBayRider Says:

    Nitrous Guy . Both of those coach’s and both teams had QBs that had actually been to the playoffs before . They didn’t have QBs that had led the league in turnovers since arriving .

  43. Magadude Says:

    “Is Jameis an exceptionally smart NFL QB?” Joe’s not sure. In order to know that answer, Joe would have to understand exactly why Jameis has thrown so many interceptions and fumbled so many times in his career.”

    Ask the Winston lovers, and they say it’s Fitz looking at him, bad O line, bad D line, Pearl Harbored by DJax, bad software, bad coaching.

    To me, it’s clear now as it was two years ago: Winston is a BS artist. He’s a risk tasker and poor decision maker. He does what he wants. He’s a good backup NFL QB. He has good skill but lacks the other credentials after four years. Cunning? Yes. Smarl? Dosn’t matter. I’ve seen enough.

  44. NOSBOS Says:

    Dag I left out Mike Vrabel. My bad coach. I’ve listed something like 10 coaches and I researched this I’m coming str8 off the top of my dome. Working right now don’t have time. But if memory serves me correctly all those guys took over teams and led them to the playoffs the first season with that team but I’m suppose to believe BA’s first year will be marginal or sub par. Boi stop.

  45. NOSBOS Says:

    Rider what did their defensive units and run games look like. And what was their kicking percentages??? I’m working but I’ll wait.

  46. Dapostman Says:

    The real question is what will Magadud’s next screen name be or will he fade away?

    Can’t wait!

  47. D1 Says:

    Texbucs,

    The way in which you constructed Your opinion (the assumptions , generalizations and observations ) and then completely detached those items from the whole leaves you with a very strong case if the focus remains isolated .

    Unfortunately, as soon as goes the other direction, expands , it wouldn’t be long before your opinion is discredited and discarded. Even if it wasnt , there’s still a point where your explanation, or defense , must confront an underlying premise that is predicated on you being a witch or something like that .

    Basically you have to possess supernatural abilities to keep the idea afloat.
    I’m not sure how many people believe in the supernatural and safe to say
    even fewer when they learn it’s you.

    If you are someone who has these powers, then the next hurdle is a proverbial skyscraper and your argument must move from the Astral plane to the depths of reality and human behavior. Tough case to present, and too much is unproven, unsupported conjecture.

    Basically, a weak take.

  48. SOEbuc Says:

    Bad thing that transferred from NCAA to NFL career for Jameis…

    He was a great pitcher/outfielder in HS/FSU. He was almost drafted by the Rangers out of high school. He had a 90 mph fastball and he was throwing multiple other types of pitches. Could be a part of why he has had trouble with touch down field. He’s been using his rocket to home plate from the outfield and may never be able to get away from the pitching grips he used throughout his life.

    Just a theory.

  49. D1 Says:

    Winston doesn’t need to improve.
    Everyone else does!

    Dapostman and Lord C put up the numbers proving winston has improved each year he’s been in the league.

    Which means that BA is here to fix the team, not winston and DK could only improve winston. His numbers prove that he’s a good QB’S coach and a terrible coach in every other position or the team.

    Winston with BA is a recipe for success.

  50. D1 Says:

    SOEBucs,

    What’s a pitching grip or more to the point , how can you grip a football the same way as a baseball?

    I’m not sure why a player who has been a dual sport athlete his entire life
    And did so at an elite level, would one day get his wiring crossed and be only able to access one set of neurons. The wrong set. That’s truly , from a clinical perspective, extraordinary and worthy of additional studies. Interesting to say the least.

  51. SenileSenior Says:

    Jean Lafitte Says:
    “Just to get to an 8-8 season would be an overwhelming sense of accomplishment.”

    I can’t argue with that being the reality for many. There’s the rub.

    Die-hard irrational fans cannot afford to accept that kind of thinking, though. Your expectations can’t be lowered by continually expecting things to never change.

    There is only one thing that will change the mindset of long-suffering downtrodden Bucs fans i.e., wins. Specifically I predict it will take two winning seasons in a row to change this for a substantial number would be Tampa Bay supporters.

    The “rub” is this. If BA is telling the team that anything short of obtaining a super bowl win is the goal then we remain in trouble as a franchise. Striving for anything less is a disservice to all involved.

    BA has said in so many words that he has the formula and the guys are already buying in. He also said they have done so precisely because “they are tired of losing”.
    _________
    Go Bucs!!!

  52. DB55 Says:

    Nos

    Did you mention mike zimmer?

  53. Figures Says:

    6-10
    3 better QB’s in this division

  54. 813bucboi Says:

    nosbos

    i get your point…….

    but those are mostly first time HC’s(pederson, mcavy, quinn, anthony lynn, nagy)…..

    who was the last re-tread coach to make the SB….gary kubiak?…..

    i believe in BA….but it seems like first time HC’s are having slightly more success…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  55. ben Says:

    M.Mariota had a higher score and beat Winston on the football iq test given by the nfl before the draft.

  56. NOSBOS Says:

    I forgot him 55,thanks. 813 if you can ball you can ball. Same can said about a HC bro. Yea BA up in age but look at his staff bro,most of those guys freshly out the NFL bro.

  57. DB55 Says:

    Look out for Chucky, he’s building a squad in Vegas/Oakland.

  58. ATL Bucs Fan Says:

    When you have to make something happen because you’re coming back from 21 point deficits, of course mistakes will be made.
    A simple concept really.

    Can’t wait to see this offense and newly improved defense this year!

  59. Defense Rules Says:

    I love articles like this Joe … keep ’em coming. Riddick gloms onto 3 pieces of a very complex puzzle (volume of options in BA’s offense, love of the deep ball & need for a running game) THEN concludes that the Bucs don’t have a snowball’s chance in he11 of making the playoffs … because of Jameis. Duh.

    Of course Riddick conveniently forgot to mention a few little tidbits to temper that very shaky conclusion. For one thing, BA’s a lot of things, but he’s not stupid. I tend to think that he knows how to use Jameis better than Riddick does. Just a guess. BA may have had a huge playbook in Arizona, but I’ll bet that wasn’t on Day One. He let Carson Palmer grow into it, and kept adding as Palmer improved.

    And yes, Palmer did improve under BA’s tutelage. Example: in 2013 Palmer went 10-6, throwing for 4,002 yds (363-for-574 … 63.2%). He threw for 24 TDs … and 22 INTS plus fumbled 6 times & took 41 sacks. Plus 42% of the Cards plays were runs (averaging 3.6 YPC … yuck). Hint: Jameis’ stats are better than that, and we went 5-11 last 2 years.

    Palmer got hurt 6 games into the season, but he was hot until then (started 6-0). What’s interesting I think is that virtually all his stats, except 1, improved (he threw 11 TDs in those 6 games but only 3 INTs, 3 fumbles & 9 sacks … much better than he had been doing in 2013 … but his completion % dropped a tad to 62.9%). Cards finished the year 11-5, going 5-5 with Drew Stanton (5-3) & Ryan Lindley (0-2) at the helm. BA obviously adjusted, because Stanton & Lindley together only threw for 9 TDs in those 10 games. But he still got them to the playoffs. And oh BTW, the Cards in 2014 were a TERRIBLE rushing team (1,308 rushing yds on 397 carries … 3.3 YPC). But BA remained consistent in his dedication to the run game … 41% of the plays that year were runs.

    Carson Palmer came back REALLY STRONG in 2015 playing all 16 games, as the Cards went 13-3 & made the playoffs again. Despite throwing for 4,616 yds, 35 TDs (with only 13 INTs, 6 fumbles & 25 sacks) his completion % actually stayed about the same (63.7%) & his QBR dropped somewhat (to 77%). For his part, BA adjusted yet again … his running game took off with Chris Johnson (814 yds rushing), David Johnson (581 yds rushing) & Andre Ellington (289 yds), so BA rode that horse for almost a 45% run percentage in play selection. The run game added 16 TDs that year, and the Cards offense ranked #1 in TOTAL YARDAGE GAINED and #2 in POINTS SCORED.

    Point being: it’s not ALL on Jameis. BA’s traveled this road before … with Carson Palmer among others. There’ll be hiccups, just like there were with Palmer & the Cards rushing attack & the Cards OLine, etc. But BA knows how to compensate, and he’s shown that he knows how to GROW A QB. He did that with Carson Palmer (and others). And he can do it with Jameis … PROVIDING that Jameis continues to buy 100% into BA’s system. If he starts going off on his own (which he’s done at times in the past), he’s toast.

  60. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Like Kobe has stated 4 years ago

    Jaboo is not ready emotionally

    the best of Jaboo will be 3 years from now

    He needs more games and experience

    but but but other young qbs are developing faster! who gives a fvk

    it is what it is

    Kobe, will jameis be here when he is top 5 qb?

    NO

    Jameis needs to QB more games. play 3 more years. thats it

    but he develops slow! really? i guess he does

    it is what it is…tough sh!t

    JW3 will be top 3 QB in the NFL in 3 years. He will be a yearly pro bowl QB

    He justs needs to mature, develop emotionally and the game to slow down further

    3 years

    these are facts and not opinions”

    Kobe “JW whisperer” Faker

  61. Bogiedr Says:

    Last I checked Louis Riddick is still unemployed with no interviews for a G.M. job … how good is he?? That list includes rock star Mark Domenic, Phil Savage, (at least he was GM for the AFF Phoenix team) Charlie Casserly and others.Can I trust a “talking head” that was canned from the NFL and never hired again, except with BSPN? I rather listen to Chris Simms or Trent Dilfer, at least they understand the pain of being a QB for the Bucs. We’ll find out what Jameis is about after the season, let’s see what happens. We have endured pain since 1976, (I am old), so what’s one more season? I might just be freaking good. Just don’t let him go and win a SB elsewhere, (Dilfer, Young, Williams … ) get it? And please don’t tell me Defense won one for Dilfer … who won one for Brad Johnson???? Go Bucs

  62. SB Says:

    Truth is None of us know a damn thing about how this season will play out. Too many unknowns, and too many patterns to be broken to make proper assessments. All we have is speculation at this time of yr.
    And HOPE for some of us.
    GO BUCS!!!!

  63. tye Says:

    Reality is going to expose how foolish those are to expect this team to somehow become a winner with basically the same 5-11 players 2 years in a row..

    It’s the lack of ——————
    It was the coaching————-

    Stop! it’s a team trying to make diamonds out of mud!

  64. Magadude Says:

    @dapostman. Ha! “The real question” you say? Why are you concerned about me at all? Don’t be so weird, son, face the facts. Man up. You seem like the type that when you get a dose of reality you deny, shut your eyes, cover your ears. This is America, and folks have different opinions.

  65. Magadude Says:

    DefenseRules say: “If he starts going off on his own (which he’s done at times in the past), he’s toast.” The best thing for Winston is just that…do what you’re told. The next best thing for Winston is for his secret lovers to quit making excuses for him. He’s a four year veteran less mature than any other #1 pick I’ve seen at QB in their 4th year. Folks need to ride his [email protected]@ day in and day out. He needs to remember what he threw away, and own it….before he can earn anything back. Which is why I project he is toast. Young man hasn’t learned now, he’s not going to learn.

  66. Magadude Says:

    SOE Buc, good theory (baseball) to explain Winston’s woes. You can bet his lovers will be adding that one to the growing list of why Winston isn’t doing it.
    – D sucks.
    – O line sucks.
    – Run game sucks.
    – DJax Pearl Harbored him.
    – Coaching Sucks.
    – Looking over his shoulder at Fitz.
    – Too many voices in his head.
    – Software sucks.
    – Couldn’t “relate” to his OC and QB coach.

    And now…
    – Baseball messed him up.

    LOL! I know you are just putting that out there, but they will take it in…anything to over for their FSU man. I’m sure I missed one or two.

  67. BA FAN Says:

    Koetter didn’t have a clue on how to fix the losing and said publicly he didn’t know. BA does know and has the resume to prove it. He has Jameis on the right track right now. Even with a bad offensive line Jameis had the best third down percentage in the NFL last year. His yardage was spectacular. If the Bucs had a good OL so that they could run well in the Red Zone then the opposition couldn’t just flood the end zone and foil Jameis chances of scoring. BA with a power run game can turn that around, even with most of the same line. If he just puts Vea in as a FB to block for Barber every time in the red zone; just watch the opposition put six in the box and have the LBs in tight and the backfield just 1 on 1–Jameis will light them up then! As for Jameis fumbling, that can be fixed just by BA ordering his OL to yell a warning to Jameis if they get beat; that will allow Jameis to stop a strip sack. With an aggressive Defense our Offense will get turnovers and create short fields or pick 6’s. They also will get a lot more stops so Jameis will have a lot more opportunities to score too. Then the Buc’s Fans will be talking championships and calling for Licht to get Jameis to sign a long contract to lock him in as our Franchise QB and the trolls and nay sayers will crawl back in their holes!

  68. Ndog Says:

    Just so much hate on this site. It is sad, really really sad.

  69. BA FAN Says:

    One of the major failings of Koetter was being too scared of injuries and failing to make the most of his practice time playing in pads and teaching how to play tough physical football and also teaching tackling and practicing it. He didn’t have Coaches that could develop players and he lacked a strength program that got his players in top physical condition which minimizes injuries, like BA does. Throw in absolutely no holding players accountable under Koetter and you had the scene last year where Jameis held our Center accountable, which is exactly what Warhop should have been doing all year himself and never did except to then berate Jameis for doing his job for him! The Team now knows they better give their all or BA will hold them accountable and will find someone who will to replace them. It makes all the difference!

  70. Pete I Says:

    The ” Best ” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay

    His body of work to date suggests that he is not a very smart QB and needs to many things to be successful.

    BA or busy for Jameis ” meaningless stats ” Winston

  71. Defense Rules Says:

    Magadude … It’s interesting that all you took away from what I said was that last line. ALL the rest of it about BA’s experiences with Palmer (and others) in Arizona gives me HOPE that Jameis can in fact become the QB we’ve been looking for. BA did it with Palmer & a number of others … the PERFORMANCE is there. A little more BALANCE in your perspectives of what MIGHT happen this year would really make this season a LOT more interesting for you. Really. Granted, you MIGHT be disappointed (we’ve traveled that road before). But on the other hand, you MIGHT be pleasantly surprised at the GROWTH this team experiences this year. (I’m putting my money on the latter).

  72. Magadude Says:

    @DR….No, I took away your whole post…it wad good. The only thing I commented on was the last line. I’m hoping Arians turns the team arouind; I’m just not betting on it. Clearly I’m very skeptical for good reaon. I’ve seen it all since ’76.

  73. NOSBOS Says:

    DR don’t bother mentioning money,for as many that feel the Bucs ain’t about to be Ish you can’t find a single one to stand by their claim. I mean it’s just money at the end of day. It comes and it gose.

  74. NOSBOS Says:

    You must not be aware of any other franchise besides the Buc then. See the way it tends to work is a HC that enjoys winning comes along and brings a formula that ushers inn winning. See the cowboys of the 80s before Tom Landry,the cowboys of 90s before Jimmy Johnson,the Steelers of the 70s before Chuck Knoll,the 49ers of the 80s before Bill Walsh. Need a more current examples see the Pats of the 2000s before Bill Belichess.

  75. OneBuc55 Says:

    Can we please just once, not run another promising QB off before he reaches his best years/prime…

    You guys that are down on Jameis just need to understand that with the exception being 1 year wonder Patrick Mahomes, all of the really good or “elite” QB’s in this league are all in their early 30’s and couple are in their early 40’s…All of them had to go through growing pains; Jameis has put up better numbers by 25 than almost every QB that’s ever played…

    He’s not perfect, but he’s not a finished product either…He’s getting better every year…yes, he’s played alot of football but at 25 he’s still just a puppy…

  76. Magadude Says:

    @DR…one more note. No point in balancing perspectives…I will be pleasantly surprised on TDay or not surprised. I’ve learned long ago to adjust my “away” games to do them early the season, while there is still hope. Nothing worse than an away game in November for a Bucs fan…might as well throw your money in a river. I’m not buying what Arians is selling until I need to. Don’t forget JL is the puppetmaster, and we are already decimated with the injury bug and cap Hell and on one has put on pads. WTF? No…my perspectives are where they need to be.

  77. NOSBOS Says:

    You people must have only paid attention to Tampa Bay over the last 30 years. Crack that shell man,there’s been a lot going on in professional football to substantiate my position.

  78. NOSBOS Says:

    Ish funny man,I recall Bill Parcells winning with Gmen as a youngster. Then he left and took his formula to NE and won with Pats. Did it again,same formula in Dallas. Won games just couldn’t over come the antics of TO.

  79. NOSBOS Says:

    This ish no where near rocket science. Why some don’t get it well,that’s you and your mind.

  80. NOSBOS Says:

    They wanted parity in this league and they achieved that. That’s why gone are the days of the 4 and 5 year build. H3ll a hot QB and a trash defense can make the playoffs. Ask a chiefs fan.

  81. NOSBOS Says:

    Doug Marone took trash @$$ Blake bortles to foxboro and had them on the ropes. And they got robbed cause Myles Jack wasn’t down. You folks have 80s thinking mindsets. Step into the new era man. There’s enough room for you all.

  82. NOSBOS Says:

    This site funny man😁

  83. NOSBOS Says:

    The reason a lot of the teams don’t return to playoffs the next year is the cap. Player movement every year hampers opportunity. It is key to win a chip while your core guys are on they’re rookie deals. Years ago super bowl winners were vet teams. Check the average age of the last few Super Bowl winners that weren’t Patriots.

  84. NOSBOS Says:

    Oh there’s that “talent” thing😊. You people really believe the talent level between teams is all that different??? Every team is fast,big and strong. That helps but games are won in that league as result of who executed better on Sunday. Always has been always will be.

  85. TexBuc Says:

    D1
    I state that I am expressing my personal opinion to avoid having to have anyone feel like I am talking down to anyone. In your case I will openly just say it, if you don’t understand the nuances of football just say so will be glad to help YOU.

    You know why in the NBA coachings call a 30 sec timeout when the “momentum” swings against his team? To re-enforce or adjust the gameplan to the players, in words coaching. Coaching involves sensing the direction or flow of the game and adjusting gameplan to fit how the game is flowing. Some coaches never get this part of the game and believe if they just follow their gameplan they will win. Koetter in my opinion falls into the later, and was determined to show everybody if they win it was because of his offense and gameplan and not his players.

  86. Big Black Dick Says:

    I think these numbers deconstruct Reddicks theory on the deep ball inadequacy. I would say they”re above average. Someone intentionally put that ineffective deep ball narrative out there to set an unfair precedent.

    Passing
    Attempts
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Attempts 1-Through-10 110 78 70.9 910 8.3 48 5 3 48 43.6 9 0 0 99.4
    Attempts 11-Through-20 106 66 62.3 887 8.4 64 6 5 39 36.8 10 0 0 88.1
    Attempts 21-Through-30 85 49 57.6 615 7.2 34 3 2 28 32.9 8 0 0 82.2
    Attempts 31+ 77 51 66.2 580 7.5 28 5 4 37 48.1 7 0 0 88.7
    Field Position
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Own 1-20 – by Yard Line 20 14 70 203 10.2 64 0 2 7 35 2 4 21 63.1
    Own 21-50 – by Yard Line 0 187 129 69 1603 8.6 60 1 3 77 41.2 17 13 79 90.4
    Opp 49-20 – by Yard Line 126 73 57.9 928 7.4 41 3 7 48 38.1 15 8 47 65.8
    Opp 19-1 – by Yard Line 45 28 62.2 258 5.7 19 15 2 20 44.4 0 2 10 98.9
    Game Halves
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    1st Half 187 121 64.7 1475 7.9 64 10 4 72 38.5 15 13 63 97.8
    2nd Half 0 183 119 65 1462 8 51 9 9 78 42.6 18 12 75 85.5
    Last Two Minutes of Half 62 40 64.5 518 8.4 30 4 3 28 45.2 8 1 5 92
    Home vs Road
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Home Games 5 193 121 62.7 1484 7.7 48 10 4 74 38.3 16 14 103 95
    Road Games 6 185 123 66.5 1508 8.2 64 9 10 78 42.2 18 13 54 85.1
    Margin of Victory
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Margin 0-7 7 257 168 65.4 2165 8.4 60 14 10 112 43.6 26 19 98 93.6
    Margin 8-14 2 63 31 49.2 370 5.9 64 2 2 16 25.4 5 5 40 64.9
    Margin 15+ 2 58 45 77.6 457 7.9 42 3 2 24 41.4 3 3 19 102.4
    Point Differential
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Ahead 131 82 62.6 948 7.2 48 4 2 45 34.4 10 11 70 88.2
    Tied 61 40 65.6 491 8 42 5 2 24 39.3 6 3 20 103.9
    Behind 0 186 122 65.6 1553 8.3 64 10 10 83 44.6 18 13 67 87.1
    Ahead by 9-16 Points 26 18 69.2 268 10.3 30 2 1 11 42.3 5 1 0 112.3
    Ahead by 1-8 Points 102 62 60.8 674 6.6 48 2 1 33 32.4 5 10 70 82.7
    Behind by 1-8 Points 57 32 56.1 448 7.9 64 2 3 22 38.6 5 4 16 71.4
    Behind by 9-16 Points 86 59 68.6 697 8.1 51 6 5 40 46.5 9 4 27 92.1
    Quarters
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    1st Quarter 87 59 67.8 663 7.6 42 5 2 36 41.4 5 5 14 99.9
    2nd Quarter 100 62 62 812 8.1 64 5 2 36 36 10 8 49 95.9
    3rd Quarter 0 80 49 61.3 619 7.7 51 0 5 30 37.5 8 10 57 59.3
    4th Quarter 103 70 68 843 8.2 41 9 4 48 46.6 10 2 18 105.8
    Overtime 8 4 50 55 6.9 23 0 1 2 25 1 2 19 32.8
    4th Quarter within 7 30 15 50 190 6.3 21 1 1 9 30 1 1 4 67.4
    Stadium Surfaces
    G ATT COMP PCT YDS AVG LNG TD INT 1st 1st% 20+ SCK SCKY RATE
    Grass 6 213 137 64.3 1629 7.6 48 11 6 83 39 16 16 114 93
    Turf 5 165 107 64.8 1363 8.3 64 8 8 69 41.8 18 11 43 86.5

  87. Reach87 Says:

    Is he smart? First: not sure anyone (anyone) on this site can answer that. Magna, sorry but that includes you. You have zero credibility…just an opinion, not based on facts. Which is fine. It is what it is (BS). Second, I’ve heard reported that Bradshaw was one of the less intelligent QBs in the league during his time. But fact is, he was good enough to do his part on the TEAM, such that they won. A lot. Point being, the TEAM is the issue (all phases). Not the QB. If you think the QB has been the issue with WINNING AND LOSING on this team over the past few years, you don’t understand the NFL. Or, you don’t care about winning/losing…just your own agenda. When you show me a top half defense and a top half special teams and a top half running game, and we still lose because the QB fumbled or threw interceptions, I’ll listen. You may come back all self-righteous and call those factors excuses…but they are facts…fact is you don’t win consistently with just the QB. Go Bucs!

 

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