“There’s No Discount”

June 12th, 2019

Perhaps Jameis Winston was listening to Eagles GM Howie Roseman this week

BY ZACHARY SEIFTER
JoeBucsFan.com intern

Last week, Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz, entering his fourth season, signed a contract extension that will pay him $32 million next year.

Philadelphia committed to a player who didn’t look the same last season after coming back from an ACL injury.

Now Jameis Winston, entering his fifth season, hasn’t had the same results on the field as Wentz, who was the front-runner for MVP before tearing that ACL in 2017. But with the salary cap rising every year, quarterbacks are commanding more money.

Jameis is in the last year of his rookie deal. If Bucco Bruce Arians can work his magic once again, Jameis will be looking to make more than Wentz.

Eagles Executive VP Howie Roseman hopped on The Rich Eisen Show this week to explain why Philly would invest in Wentz two years before his contract was to expire.

“The great part about doing deals early is there’s risk on both sides,” Roseman explained to Eisen.

“And so, those are usually the best opportunities to find win-win situations. We understood that when you’re talking about the kind of money that we committed to this player, that there’s no discount. It’s full price, and at the same time, we are excited about being able to do that, lock it in, and figure out going forward the best way to surround him. But certainly, you look at the circumstances around him. The history of the league, it’s no secret, says that as you move forward and the cap moves forward, prices go up.”

Like Wentz, there is risk in extending Jameis’ contract. He’s been inconsistent on and off the field. But with the league quarterback-driven, Team Glazer will pay Jameis if he shows enough to warrant an extension.

Roseman added there’s a cap-management benefit — and a comfort level — to re-signing players early.

“You know, it’s like before you get married,” Roseman said. “You already lived with them. You already know their good and bad habits, so you know what you’re buying.”

39 Responses to ““There’s No Discount””

  1. Rayjay1122 Says:

    If Winston does not flourish this year, he will be making more than Wentz in the broadcast booth.

  2. BigHog Says:

    ⬆️⬆️Let’s see who’s going to be the butt of that joke

  3. Pete I Says:

    Eventually this business model will fail. You can’t have a single guy, even a QB, chew up that much cap space. And then have 10 or so other players dominate about half the cap.

    Teams will eventually say enough and the QB rate will either slow down or will collapse of its own weight.

    We have our 30 million + QB but can’t afford to sign anyone else…

    Right now Jameis ” meaningless stats ” Winston does not deserve anywhere near a big contract. He has another chance to show that he does.

    BA or bust.

  4. Ndog Says:

    I am afraid that this team is going to regret not signing Jameis to a long term deal this off season as there is a very good chance he is going to be a hot commodity after this year. Just imagine being a 26 year old QB coming into his prime and a free agent to boot. Then take into account all the crap he has taken from this fan base and local media and it wouldn’t surprise me if he has serious thoughts about moving on. Of course they can always franchise him but that would be a huge hit to the salary cap. This could be just another mistake but hopefully Jameis gives them a discount cause they did stick by him when he did have his off field incident (though nothing was proven). But if he plays the way I fully expect him to he will have all the leverage, when this off-season we had it.

  5. gilhealy Says:

    Inconsistent off the field as well, Joe? Besides the Uber incident in ’16, remind me of the other “inconsistencies” off the field.

  6. GetOverIt Says:

    I don’t care what Jameis does on the field this year. You gotta be consistent for more than 1 year (that is, not make game-killing fumbles and INTs) to deserve a 30+ million a year contract. Someone WILL be willing to pay Jameis too much next offseason; I just hope it’s not the Bucs. We’re drafting a QB.

  7. BucEmUp Says:

    If Jameis had 4 seasons with a good defense he would probably have at least two or three playoff appearances. He has never had a defense…EVER!!!!!

    You cant win games like that. I hope Jameis stays in Tampa for years to come

  8. Old School Athlete Says:

    @Ndog
    Well said. Hope you’re wrong but I could see it playing out just like you said.

  9. JimmyJack Says:

    I would not mind if they signed Winston early now and gave him big money. Like the Eagles GM said in the article that these prices for starting QBs only go up.

    Signing him now saves you money later but the problem is we are tight on CAP space. Because of that Winston will be signed next off-season. We will have more money then. A few players, like Mike Evans, will be a lesser CAP hit. A few more likely won’t be Bucs next year and we will ideally find cheaper better options.

  10. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Licht has a talent of over paying average players (Jensen, D Smith, Marpet, GMC, Allen, Curry, Baker and Ayers all day hello) so I can guarantee he will resign our average QB

  11. tye Says:

    Only the Bucs would consider resigning such an inconsistent qb that most other teams would have already moved on from…
    Follow the example the Dolphins with Tannehill or Jags with Bortles and defer winning for several more years…
    Bad investments always give way to bad results!
    Bad teams stay consistently bad for a reason…

  12. JimmyJack Says:

    Ndog…….When Winston gets a big contract it will be for roughly the same money as Wentz just got which is roughly the same as a franchise tag. So in that aspect the Buccaneers do have some leverage with this. In the end if the Bucs(Bruce) do want to sign him longterm both sides will meet in the middle and he will get the going rate.

    The only problem there would be is if the Bucs wanna low-ball him. Let’s just hope the days of giving players the Doug Williams treatment is long gone. If Winston does wanna move on his only choice would be to play for franchise tag for a year. He won’t wanna leave Bruce though. Cause we will finally start winning.

  13. Magadude Says:

    I’m convinced Gilhealy that you seem to think time erases history. Do your own research. I will offer you this one clarification as I’m a pretty charitable guy: It’s not what happened in ’16 as much as what carried over and happened in ’18. You know, suspension, damning NFL findings, lying to his players, fans, coaches, and likely all others. Yes, it was corroborated. And sadly, he never really seemed too contrite. Go back to FSU days and see how that went. Immaturity is a liability for sure. He didn’t exactly take the country by storm on Hard Knocks either.

  14. Magadude Says:

    JimmyJack says: “I would not mind if they signed Winston early now and gave him big money. Like the Eagles GM said in the article that these prices for starting QBs only go up.”

    Priceless. Thanks for that.

  15. Lamarcus Says:

    Jw = 5 year 220 Million 147 guaranteed

    JW won’t be signed until after the cba probably franchise tag but this team is so strapped I see after cba

  16. Defense Rules Says:

    Seems like most winning teams either put their biggest salaries on offense OR defense, not both. Balance is probably desirable, but few teams seem to achieve it. For example, right now in defensive Cap $$$, Texans are #1, Browns #2, Vikings #3, Panthers #4 and Patriots #5. But look at their offensive Cap $$$ and a different picture appears: Texans are #30, Browns #11, Vikings #13, Panthers #25 and Patriots #14.

    The team with the best BALANCE appears to be the Patriots. Hmmm, wonder if Belicheck knows something we don’t. Bucs have the MOST EXPENSIVE offense at this point in 2019 … Numero Uno. Our defensive Cap $$$ come in at #18, but we haven’t finished signing everyone either. (Of interest, Falcons & Saints took a similar offense-priority approach to ours, and all 3 of us are in salary Cap he11. Carolina did the opposite … defense priority … and now they’re closer to the middle of the pack than the rest of us in the NFC South).

    Once Bucs get out of this sticky salary Cap situation, I hope we don’t repeat the same mistakes again. Build through the draft, develop your players well, and keep only the key performers & leaders with essential position groups.

  17. Succaneers Says:

    1-15 w this bafoon at the helm

  18. JimmyJack Says:

    DR you can equate a good chunk of our salary CAP on offense to the fact that we haven’t developed a single OL player with our last coaching staff. Not one guard not one tackle & not one center. Having to spend big money across all of them positions is a major handicap……especially at C & G which most teams are able to develope their own without major investments.

    We now have a bigger coaching staff and I expect them to actually develope OL players. Starting this year. At the least they can find some guys at lower cost to man the positions at a competent level until others are ready. I would hope this Watford guy we brought in could do just that.

  19. JimmyJack Says:

    10-6

  20. JimmyJack Says:

    Maga……dude……..Get over yourself. It was one Instance. You’re making it a bigger deal then what it actually is. Meanwhile the rest of us have forgiven and forgotten and are moved on. We are concerned about what happens on the field which is what matters.

    You can keep drumming up the past every day if you want but with each passing day you become less and less relevant. By the time the season starts you will be completely irrevelant.

    And don’t even try to tell me about Winston in college. This is NFL and only his pro career is what counts………I’m sure you can rattles some Gator and Semonile fans about it but not me. Have fun with them about it. The rest of us give a rats ass.

  21. THETRUTH Says:

    Till he takes us as far as wentz he doesn’t deserve to be paid or should expect more. He will have 5 years and no playoff games or even a playoff win. Wentz has done more in few years and proven his accuracy

  22. gilhealy Says:

    Magawhatever, you have an agenda. The same agenda over and over again. Move on. Things aren’t gonna pan out the way you want them to. And stop with the “I hope he does well” crap. That’s the last thing you want. Unfortunately for you, he is gonna do well. Very well. And the imagery of you watching him thrive is a beautiful thing. Hang in there. You’re in for a long season.

  23. Magadude Says:

    Gilhealy…another one who says he’s going to do great, just you wait. Based on what? Hope? Again, Son, stick to facts.

    Me, I don’t have to stop anything, nor do you know what I want because you don’t read, or do your own work. It is perfectly logical to always hope he plays well so my local team can win, and at the same time understand that he’s sullied himself so badly he will never again have the opportunity to move the needle again here a large enough percentage of the fan base. An NFL team’s QB needs to be a celebrity in his local community. Winston may have had a chance at that, but he blew it. And I’ll say it as many times as I want. If you don’t comprehend that, it’s not my problem–it’s yours. Is that what you do–go around telling people they think, what they are allowed to think?

    Do you think those who didn’t like GMC wanted him to fail on the field? I’d hope not. Did they think he was bad for the team? Yes. Open your mind a bit.

  24. Magadude Says:

    In fact Gilhealy…here is one for you that I hope you can understand, that I think all Bucs fans could agree on. Did EVERYONE want Fitz to win? Of course. Did most people see the logic in continuing to play the hand until it cooled? Perhaps. And did pretty much all understand quite clearly that Fitz was not the future of this franchise? Of course. That’s how it is with Winston. Some guys, apparently like yourself, don’t like fans calling out Winston for his poor decisionmaking, immaturity, and/or demonstrated poor leadership and lack of character shown over the past fix or so years. you fail to recognize a valid point that Winston is not an asset for ticket sales and reataining fans, and elevating the Bucs image in this area and across the NFL; that he’s done more than his part to turn it futher south. It IS possible to have players that play well AND who are not liabilities to image and community. So they attack those who hold that opinion, try to shut them down, even make it about race. So for all of those like you, that’s just too bad. You can’t ignore the facts.

  25. Magadude Says:

    Without a lights out season, Winston as team captain, ticket sales spiking late in the year because of his play, with the Bucs a post-season contender, both Winston and JL will be gone. That’s a tall order for Winston. No, it’s not all his fault how the Bucs got here, and he’s but one piece to ensure success this year–but that’s the hole he dug for himself. But when the coffin is nailed shut that he is not the franchise guy to hold the Bucs up in how they are viewed locally and broader, the Bucs won’t spend $100M+ to keep him around. Just as they did five years ago, they can draft whom they hope will take them where Winston was expected to lead them (business and football-wise). And it will cost an awful lot less money than continuing to invest in the Winston “prove it” experiment. The quickest way after this year to free up cap space is to send Winston to free agency and try again.

  26. gilhealy Says:

    Magawhatever, you’re a riot. Keep it rollin’, son.

  27. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    GetOverIt…..What other inconsistencies off the field? Well….there’s the Uber crotch grabbing. Then there’s the lying to his coaches. Then there’s the lying to his front office. Then there’s the lying to his team mates. Then there’s the lying to the league. Then there’s the company he’s kept (Darby and the other dubious dude.) Then there’s his notorious “girls sit down” speech. Then there’s his (slightly off the field) starting a fight from the sidelines while in street clothes (and ultimately getting Mike Evans suspended for a game). Then there’s the dealing with the Kinsman settlement. Oh, I don’t know…..

  28. Magadude Says:

    “Then take into account all the crap he has taken from this fan base and local media and it wouldn’t surprise me if he has serious thoughts about moving on.”

    Oops…another excuse. So upldated list of Winston lover excuses for why he’s not cutting it:
    – Too many voices in his head.
    – The running game sucks.
    – The D sucks.
    – The O line sucks.
    – Looking over his shoulder at Fitz.
    – Pearl Harbored by DJax.
    – The software sucks.
    – He can’t shake his baseball form.
    – He couldn’t relate to his OC and QB coach.
    – He tries too hard.
    – Fans and media are too hard on him.

  29. Joe Says:

    Pearl Harbored by DJax.

    That’s no excuse. It happened.

  30. Allbuccedup Says:

    This organization does not know the phrase planning ahead. Lets say JW has a great year how do they plan on paying with virtually no cap space. Thirty two million a year JPP and David will be gone. They won’t be able to sign any free agents.

  31. Magadude Says:

    Joe, I don’t disagree with you on that in that DJax didn’t like Winston and didn’t help, but….does a franchise QB have that happen, let that happen, let it affect him? I don’t think so, personally.

  32. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    The Djax “Pearl Harboring” proves Jameis lost the locker room and this team is leaderless

    No excuses for Jameis this year, I won’t even hold the record against him but he’s got to play consistently well or he’s out

  33. Joe Says:

    MAGA:

    One of the stunts DJax pulled (regularly) would affect any quarterback including Peyton Manning. Difference is, most quarterbacks like Peyton Manning would probably have punched DJax very early in the process and likely have gone all the way to the top to demand the SOB be traded or cut.

  34. Magadude Says:

    Joe, fair enough. I will give your level-headed argument full credit for removing that as excuse. Well stated. I will not use that one again.

    Speaking of Peyton though, he had the clout to pretty much get whatever he wanted–he earned it, kept it. I think Winston could rightfully try what Peyton would ge away with but had likely frittered away any ability to do the same due to his own issues.

  35. donuts Says:

    This was a good article. IMHO it missed on one thing or potential team move – the franchise tag. I strongly suspect Arians will f-tag Winston after this year. Winston needs a season or two to prove it in Arians system. The only way Winston gets a long term deal after this year is if he wins the NFC championship and that is not reality. He simply has not shown that he is worthy of a long term deal…..yet. If they tag him and Bucs tank, then it was all a setup for the kid from Clemson – Lawrence. I dont think Tua is any better than Winston.

    Thanks to the FSU alum for the giggle and your comments….you are too emotionally tied to Winston. NFL is biz and loyalty is year to year. This is reality. If they want to pay you, the owners always find a way. Winston has not done enough on the field to warrant a long term commitment. The new CBA will fix the cap issue.

    #GoBucs

  36. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Pete I Says
    “Eventually this business model will fail. You can’t have a single guy, even a QB, chew up that much cap space.”

    I agree it is a horrible business model, but it has been happening this way for decades, so it’ll probably last a bit longer. That’s why the cap keeps going up.

    And on top of it, players get advertising revenues and merchandising too.

  37. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Here’s an idea…NFL could only count 66% (two thirds) of a QB salary against the cap.

  38. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    “And on top of it, players get advertising revenues and merchandising too.”…..except America’s whatever…..(I don’t think Joe allows “crawchgrabber”)

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    Newsflash:

    Winston has to play really well this year or he’s gone.

    No shyte.

 

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