Jameis And Interceptions
June 26th, 2019
Eye-popping statistics.
This is going to freak out the easily agitated.
Write or mention anything about America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, and man the crazies come out of the woodwork. You would think the man is Trent Dilfer, Jay Cutler and Ryan Tannehill all rolled into one.
Jameis is on the cusp of a number franchise records in four years as the Bucs starter. But the way people howl about him, they can’t wait to run him out of town.
Well, jet-flyin’, kiss–stealin‘, data-analyzin’, Bucs-film-studyin’, limousine-ridin’ Thomas Bassinger of the Tampa Bay Times dug up some interesting information.
People holler about Jameis’ turnovers. The fumbling is unnerving. The picks? Eh. So Bassinger compared Jameis’ numbers to several quarterbacks who were among the top of the NFL. You may be surprised by the alleged high rate of interceptions.
NEW: Through four seasons, Jameis Winston’s interception rate is lower than …
Dan Marino’s
Brett Favre’s
Jim Kelly’s
John Elway’s
Kurt Warner’s
Troy Aikman’s
Warren Moon’sBut don’t start thinking about a trip to Canton just yet …https://t.co/XTq3xigbQA#Bucs
— Thomas Bassinger (@tometrics) June 25, 2019
Does Jameis need polishing? Sure, of course. Does Joe wish the Bucs won more? Hell yes. But when a defense is so utterly rotten it can’t hold a second-half lead to save its life, what quarterback can win on a team like that?
Who has a better chance at wins, Jameis or Sam Bradford? Jameis or Mike Glennon? Jameis or Jacoby Brissett?
June 26th, 2019 at 5:18 am
Dan Marino’s
Brett Favre’s
Jim Kelly’s
John Elway’s
Kurt Warner’s
Troy Aikman’s
Warren Moon’s
It is shameful, no laughable, to even mention Jameis Winston in a sentence with these other QBs. How many times did they leave their teams high and dry by getting suspended for grabbing the privates of a complete stranger (and the very first offseason outside of team supervision at that)? Jameis is like Rothlisberger though, in being only the second QB in NFL history to be suspended for such things. Oh, Jameis needs more than polishing.
Comparison with other QBs? Okay, I’m game. Who has a better chance of consistently being allowed to be present for their team? Winston, Bradford, Glennon, Bissett? Answer: Not Winston.
And so the subject here is interceptions, where Eli Manning comes up, someone whom Winston has rivaled ONLY in terms of that embarrassing stat. Who wouldn’t want Eli any day over Winston?
It is quite within the realm of possibility for the Bucs to have a QB who cannot only perform as good or better on the field than Winston (average at best) but also not be an utter disgrace.
Tick tock. The clock is running out.
June 26th, 2019 at 5:19 am
And number of fumbles? How does that compare?
June 26th, 2019 at 5:44 am
Interesting list that Bassinger developed Joe. Every one of those QB’s played quite a few years ago, when defenses were allowed to play a bit ‘tighter’ shall we say? Marino for instance had a 17-year average completion percentage of only 59.4% & averaged 15 INTs/yr. Favre averaged 62.0% over 20-years, and averaged 17 INTs/yr. Kelly averaged 60.1% over 11-years, and averaged 16 INTs/yr. The great John Elway averaged 56.9% completion rate over 16-years, and averaged 14 INTs/yr. Could go on, but the trend’s the same for the rest … lower completion rates than what we see today (Drew Brees has averaged 67.3% completions over his 18-year career, and it’s MUCH BETTER LATELY).
The NFL rules changes have favored the offensive side of the ball, and QBs SHOULD be throwing for higher completion rates. And as a result, QBs SHOULD be throwing fewer INTs far as I’m concerned (looser coverage?). The only fair way to compare Jameis to anyone is to keep those comparisons in today’s timeframe.
Football Outsiders does an interesting analysis that they call ‘Adjusted Interceptions’ wherein they adjust for things like Hail Mary INTs (among other things). Using their analysis, the QB with the highest adjusted INT rate in 2018 was Ryan Fitzpatrick with 4.9% (and it wasn’t really close). Next in line was the Bill’s Josh Allen (3.8%), the 49ers’ Nick Mullens (3.7%) tied with Jameis Winston (3.7%). Josh Rosen (3.6%) & Sam Darnold (3.6%) followed closely. QBs like Aaron Rodgers (0.3%), Drew Brees (1.0%) & Matt Ryan (1.2%) led the pack as being the best (Tom Brady came in at 1.9% & Cam Newton was at 2.8% BTW).
Your last 3 questions Joe could be rephrased as “Who has a better chance at wins, Jameis or Drew Brees or Matt Ryan or Cam Newton?” Those QBs, among others, are our competition THIS YEAR. But we won’t go there.
June 26th, 2019 at 5:58 am
Well only Moon has the statistic that most resembles Jameis “meaningless stats” Winston. He had a 19-38 record in his first 4 years in the league. Very close to Jameis’s 21-33. Of course Moon had lots of success in the Canadian league winning 5 grey cups prior to his NFL career IIRC
The others were:
Marino 41-16
Farve 37-24
Kelly 28-29
Elway 38-18
Warner 35-14
Aikman 27-27
And Aikman and Kelly were about to take off…no one can realistically say Jameis is about to take off… they can hope it but that is about it.
So in the most important statistic Winston is currently a loser. Lets see if BA and his golfcart and change that. BA or Bust for Winston!
The “best” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay
June 26th, 2019 at 6:04 am
Defense,
Interesting list. Allen, Rosen and Darnold are rookies. Mullins and Fitzpatrick are backups.
Why is a 1st pick 1st round 4 year veteran in that set? Does that seem correct? Are you sure of those numbers?
June 26th, 2019 at 6:06 am
Ok, I’ll play along even though Defense Rules put more holes in your statement than Swiss cheese.
Would you rather have one of the qbs listed above OR Jameis?
Isn’t this fun?!!!
June 26th, 2019 at 6:09 am
It is completely unfair to compare Jameis is to HOFers.
June 26th, 2019 at 6:32 am
Defense Rules,
Helluva post and counter point. It provides context and clarity to the assessment.
Bottom line is that Jameis needs to ball out this year or he’s gone. Can’t pay $30 million a year to a guy who makes bad decisions on and off the field. Can’t pay a number one overall pick who doesn’t distinguish themself from Ryan Fitzpatrick.
I hope Jameis can have a huge year and war his second contract. However,I remain skeptical while still hopeful.
June 26th, 2019 at 6:33 am
Scotty,
Jameis fumbles too damn much. And I don’t care if the fumble was lost/recovered, the fact remains that an error was made and the ball was put on the ground- thus killing the drive or turning it over to the other team.
June 26th, 2019 at 6:34 am
What are the QBs on that list TD:Turnover ratios?
Jameis has 1.19 TD for every 1 Turnover. That doesn’t cut it.
You don’t win many games when your QB scores almost as frequently as they turn it over.
June 26th, 2019 at 6:38 am
The issue isn’t do you prefer steak or spam?
The issue is how was the steak prepared and what are the side dishes.
June 26th, 2019 at 6:42 am
It never ends . Geez.
Joejamei$fan.com
Another Jameis article. Surprise. Surprise.
Can we get Defense rules a job here ?
Great objective point of view from him and he is right on as usual.
Today’s game is favored for offense. Defense can’t even look at a guy or they will call holding. Scoring up. Offensive QBs Numbers up in almost all categories.
And typical obsessed schmoe calling people who criticize Jameis “the crazies “
I mean you call him America’s qb and show the American flag as a symbol for your favorite crush.
You think cause we have issues with Jameis on and off the field decisions that we are haters. Gimme a break. Grow up.
Everyone (well almost everyone ) wants Jameis to succeed cause that means the Bucs are likely in the playoffs
Hopefully Arians is the guy to do that. Everyone should be pulling for Jameis to get his next contract.
Anyway ..thanks for another J article. Can we have 10 more today? Please ?
Keep picturing him naked. Thanks again
June 26th, 2019 at 6:53 am
Here is a better definition of the word crazy (crazies):
A grown man that obsesses over another grown man half his age
June 26th, 2019 at 6:59 am
I have a Jameis/Bucs jersey and I will be rocking it on sundays this fall. I am pulling for #3, but I am skeptical as hell. After lying to the team last year about his off field shenanigans, and torpedoing our season, I remain reserved until his play on the field wins us games and takes us to the next level.
Jameis looked terrible when he cane back from suspension last year. No excuses. Sure, the last 6 games were better, but how does Jameis respond from the start with playoff chances intact?
His TD:Turnover 1.19:1 ratio is not good enough. Wake up Seminole Honks, you can’t turn the ball over this much and expect to win. This is not the ACC.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:00 am
Of course the winning records on those teams had nothing to do with Don Shula Bruce Smith Thurman Thomas Marshall Faulk Jimmy Johnson etc.
Nah.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:01 am
Joe: that’s like saying Baker Mayfield has the best 4 years of all time for the Browns, IF he has mediocre seasons over the next 3 years. Twisting the stats are not going to make your man crush QB look any better. Who will you write about next year….let me guess: the kickers. Which is you second most articles.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:04 am
Alanbucs- Why’d you do that?! Now I’m hungry for a steak! And, that would be a bone-in ribeye cooked medium, grilled asparagus, and garlic mashed potatoes with a nice IPA to wash it down with.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:14 am
Have to click on the link in the tweet. Bassinger’s article is actually about why we should NOT use interception % to compare Winston with those other quarterbacks. He goes on to cite an advanced stat that shows Winston’s interception % is WORSE than those quarterbacks once you take era into account.
“Through this lens, it’s not a good look for Winston. Those seven Hall of Famers from a few paragraphs ago? They’re all ahead of him. Marino is 12th (111), Elway is 28th (106), Kelly is 33rd (105), Favre is 49th (100), Aikman is 60th (96), Moon is 64th (93) and Warner is 71st (91). Winston? An INT%+ of 89 places him 75th.”
June 26th, 2019 at 7:15 am
Jameis is the perfect example of the phrase snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:15 am
Arians was brought in to fix Jameis, not polish . Jameis needs to give his team sustainable
leads instead of tenuous ones. Jameis play in the second half needs to be corrected. Compare his production by half below.
First half: 10 TD and 4 INT’s in first half
Second half: 9 TD’S and 9 INT’s
If you have one of the worst defenses in the league,, its senseless to force them on the field 9 extra times
June 26th, 2019 at 7:15 am
Haven’t I been saying exactly this for the last two years. This is not new news it’s just that idiots refuse to believe the truth. And since you guys went there the great Peyton Manning had 13 more TOs in his first 4 years than Jameis and Andrew Luck, everyone’s CURRENT love child, had only one less overall TO than Jameis in his first four years.
And Pete I for you please show us Jameis’s Reggie White, or Jameis’s Bruce Smith, or Jameis’s Dan Reaves (took multiple teams two a Superbowl), Jameis’s Orlando Pace, Marshall Faulk, Bruce AND Holt, or Jameis’s Emmit Smith, or his all pro online?
Give it a break brother you are ridiculous with trying to act like we are even close to the teams you mentioned before and NEWS flash that’s how you win good players and good coaching which Jameis has had what Mike Evans, LVD and….
June 26th, 2019 at 7:22 am
@ Bucsfanman
Me too, but since its morning I will settle for “4” strips of thick sliced Smithfield bacon, 3 eggs over easy, a heaping spoonful of grits sprinkled with cheddar cheese and a dollop of real butter and a slice of 12 grain toast.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:27 am
Dan Marino
Brett Favre
Jim Kelly
John Elway
Kurt Warner
Troy Aikman
Warren Moon
It is laughable, to even mention Jameis Winston in a sentence with these other QBs. How many times did they leave their teams high and dry by getting suspended for violating a complete stranger (and the very first offseason outside of team supervision at that)? Should also mention Jameis, like Rothlisberger though, in being only the second QB in NFL history to be suspended for such things. Oh, Jameis needs more than polishing.
Comparison with other QBs? Okay, I’m game. Who has a better chance of consistently being allowed to be present for their team? Winston, Bradford, Glennon, Bissett? Answer: Not Winston.
And so given the main subject here is interceptions (why Jameis, where Eli Manning comes up, someone whom Winston has rivaled ONLY in terms of that embarrassing stat. Who wouldn’t want Eli any day over Winston?
It is quite within the realm of possibility for the Bucs to have a QB who cannot only perform as good or better on the field than Winston (average at best) but also not be an utter embarrassment to all.
Tick tock. The clock is running out.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:30 am
^^^Sorry for the double post…didn’t look like the first one worked.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:34 am
Pete I gets it. Ndog…your are right. We do need good players like the other teams have. That’s why we need a QB who can be relied upon through and through.
I can only imagine what it would have been like with Winston had he not had guys that can go after the ball like Evans, Godwin, Hump, and Brate.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:36 am
Amen Magadude. You do need to keep in mind that we have a lot of soft, left leaning, CNN watching, government handout, immigrant loving, male cheerleader supporting, living with parents, TRampa trash on this site.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:42 am
@Pete 1 … “So in the most important statistic Winston is currently a loser.”
Sorry Pete, but that’s taking it too far. The Bucs’ TEAM is the loser, not Jameis nor any of the other individual players. Jameis playing his first 4 years for say Bill Belicheck & the Patriots MAY have gotten them to the playoffs every year. There’s no way for us to know how different coaching AND a more solid TEAM around him MIGHT have made a difference in his development.
Jameis has all the tools to be an excellent NFL starting QB. Better coaching SHOULD help him improve his ‘most significant stats’ (TDs, turnovers, etc). The bigger question in my mind is more about ‘Can Jameis become the LEADER, especially on the field, that the Bucs so desperately need on offense’. He’s working hard at it from all I’ve read, but THAT’S a tall mountain to climb. Only time will tell.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:42 am
Defending Winston by comparing his failures to QBs of a different era is laughable.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:44 am
rhenry- Swap rye toast for the 12 grain and we are in business!
June 26th, 2019 at 7:47 am
Pittsshore … It’s really enlightening to read commenters like yourself who have an open mind and are so positive about living in the greatest nation on earth. (Someone please remind me to turn off that sarcasm font before commenting any more).
June 26th, 2019 at 7:53 am
D1 … If Joe let’s this through moderation, here’s the link for Football Outsiders’ Adjusted INT Rates for 2018 … https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2019/adjusted-interceptions-2018
June 26th, 2019 at 7:57 am
Ok, enough with the Bucs, can we get back to Gerald McCoy now? 😂😂😂
June 26th, 2019 at 8:08 am
@Pittshore…I tend to support havng open views on all things, even if I don’t watch CNN etc etc. Those are all great things. Me, I just can’t sign up for investing a future in something that’s just a big risk. I personally can’t stand paying so much money to see a societal degenerate on the field.
June 26th, 2019 at 8:16 am
Jameis needs a defense. When your qb is down 23 points before the first half is even over he is going to attempt some throws he normally wouldn’t need to attempt because if ge doesnt there is no chance of winning anyway. Its not like he can play it smart and slowly chomp away at that 23 point deficit over the final two.quarters vecause he knows rhe defense will give up another 21 points in thw second half. So what does.ge do? HE TAKES CHANCES AND TRIES TO SAVE THE DAY.
Fix the defense and he’s a superbowl winner
June 26th, 2019 at 8:22 am
@DefenseRules…interesting link, thanks. So even taking into account many of the excuses people give for Winston is a turnover machine…he’s STILL a turnover machine. Yup, he’s better then Sam Darnold.
June 26th, 2019 at 8:28 am
Bucsfanman, you had me up until that dreaded word for me. IPA I am a amber beer drinker, not a fan at all of the IPA fest of beers out there. What ever happend to a few pints of Watneys red?
No more talk about how good our “franchise” QB can be. No comparison to other Hall of Fame QB’s. This is year five not year one or two, this is his fifth NFL season. It is put up or shut up time for the “franchise” QB to either step up and be the QB this blog thinks he can be or he moves to another town and another team and applies his trade there. So please just simply Show us Buccaneers fans what you do, not talk about what you can do. Because as of now Mr. Winston’s can do is not getting it done in the wins column. Is it all his fault, no not all. But every single INT and Fumble he has had is definitely all on Jameis. He is the guy throwing the ball, he is the guy not protecting the ball enough. We can go back and forth about how the coaches and the Defense have let him down. But at the end of the day the QB is the one person in the game who has control over their outcome of their play. #13 triple covered in the endzone who makes that call to throw the ball there? The coaches, the defensive players, or the man with the ball in his hand? I hope with all the new coaches and new philosophies we will see better results. If not do we hope against hope(and sense) that next season he will finally show all of the NFL ready QB knowledge on the field of play that results in WINS! If not thank you for you time here and good luck in the future.
By felicia!
Go Bucs!
June 26th, 2019 at 8:35 am
The usual attempt to blame everybody else and find a way to get Jameis out of any fault for losing. Nothing new here,
June 26th, 2019 at 8:36 am
Cmon. No politics necessary
June 26th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Joe I don’t really give a crap about turnovers …. I want wins damnit … look I’m a fan of great quarterbacks …. I respect the crap out of Brett farve… he threw picks on a weekly basis … but he won … I’m a fan of all those great quarterbacks but they won … Jameis can throw 5 picks in a game but it comes down to those final minutes … game tied in the 4th or in overtime ( see the Green Bay game) and Jameis gives the ball away … you got to win games when it’s on the line … that’s all I want but Jameis doesn’t do that
June 26th, 2019 at 8:37 am
Different eras
Hard to compare an average to below average QB to a list of hall of famers
Give any of those QB’s the weapons Jameis has in this era and they cut those turnovers down
June 26th, 2019 at 8:39 am
That’s fair.
June 26th, 2019 at 8:42 am
Jameis is what he is…. middle of the pack qb. He will have good throws & good games and then historically bad ones. He has done same since FSU, thats who he is; may get worse with the risk it biscuit mentality
June 26th, 2019 at 8:44 am
If like Winston you will always see the positive in a stat, but if you dislike him then you will always find the negative in a stat.
Training camp is coming.
June 26th, 2019 at 8:53 am
The big difference between Jameis and the QBs listed is they all had pretty solid defenses backing them up…
Not saying it’s the right mindset, but if I’m a young QB that knows I can’t rely on my defense to get stops or even my kicker to salvage stalled drives Id most likely force the issue as Jameis does at times…
Jameis’ game was “no riskit, no biscuit” way before BA arrived…What I can appreciate about Jameis is that fact that he’s fearless; that can be both good and bad…
But at least he isn’t “Captain Checkdown” like Mike Glennon or Alex Smith…3 and 11 with 2 and a half minutes left in the 4th quarter, down by 2 TDs and your still throwing checkdowns…Why!…
June 26th, 2019 at 9:02 am
Well said Bucemup. Many fans fail to realize when you are down by 3 touchdowns it takes drastic measures to attempt a comeback win. You take chances that you would normally avoid which leads to more INTs. Many folks these days, especially in here, just like to bitch every opportunity they can.
June 26th, 2019 at 9:33 am
Pittsshore Says:
“we have a lot of soft, male cheerleader supporting, living with parents, TRampa trash on this site.”
——-
Speak for yourself, Pittsshore, lol.
That’s ok, we love you anyway.
June 26th, 2019 at 9:37 am
I expect Jameis and Blake Bortles in Canton!
June 26th, 2019 at 9:43 am
@Morgus… about everything Tom B prints is laughable
June 26th, 2019 at 9:49 am
I have never understood why all the hatred towards Jameis Winston? I’ve lived here my entire life (54 yrs) & been a Bucs fan since day 1, so it can’t be a racial thing. Don’t forget how Doug Williams, who is loved here, threw 73 Ints in his 5 yrs as a Buc, with 24 in his 2nd season. Now with Doug IT SURE LOOKED RACIAL, (in my opinion). Ol’ Hugh C, acted like a racist (again my opinion). Maybe there’s just to many Gator fans in Tampa, I just can’t figure it out? I’m hoping we lock up Jameis sometime this year, and with his troubles and his admiration towards BA, maybe he gives Tampa a hometown discount on a 3 year deal? He’d be our 1st QB to sign a 2nd contract. That would have been Doug but ol Hugh thought trading way our 1st round pick (that turned out to be the1st pick) for the crappy “Throw’n Samoan” was the way to go. He payed him less then Doug wanted AND saved money by not having that number 1 pick. I’m pulling for you Jameis! Go Bucs.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:00 am
Cherry picking useless stats I see eh Joe/s. The agenda bubble is about to burst and the JW homers are grasping for ANYTHING HAAHHAA Eli Manning is just a tad better than JW in Int % but what’s the difference between the two? Hum… 2. That number seems relevant… 2 hum…
This stat would be more relevant if it came with a subset of data (when it counts data) such as:
Int % when the game was within 7 points
Int % when the game was within 3 points.
Int % on 3rd down.
Int % on final drive.
Int % in the red zone.
My guess is JW would lead the pack on all of the above. That’s why Mike and JW get slighted all the time. People know garbage time stat heros when they see them.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:04 am
And seriously how stupid do you think Bucs fans are to print this garbage anyway? Respect your readers guys!
June 26th, 2019 at 10:12 am
TattooDonny:
You may be surprised.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:15 am
all of those quarterbacks are from before the league shift in passing efficiency.
Its the same mistake donovan mcnabb makes when he compares himself to hall of fame quarterbacks.
you played in different eras, where there was a different overall passing efficiency.
I mean favre played after the shift, but was not a top 15 quarterback.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:16 am
LMAO, Guess what, Ryan Tannehill had 54 ints through 4 seasons to Jameis’ 58. I guess we can say that Ryan is going to be a mega star based on that. Oh wait…
June 26th, 2019 at 10:17 am
*at the end of his career when the shift happened.
He definitely was a top 15 quarterback for most of his career.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:18 am
I follow Thomas Bassinger on Twitter as I think his breakdowns are fantastic. You are cherry picking a single tweet he made. He’s clearly pointed out on several occasions that those QBs played in a different era and that it matters.
I mean, Doug Williams is in the Ring of Honor and he had a completion percentage that was 1.6% better than Tim Tebow.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:21 am
danr Says:
June 26th, 2019 at 10:15 am
all of those quarterbacks are from before the league shift in passing efficiency.
^^^There you go. Great point. They put Freeways or Interstates down the middle of the field I think is how Sapp put it 🙂
June 26th, 2019 at 10:23 am
Joe Says:
June 26th, 2019 at 10:12 am
TattooDonny:
so it can’t be a racial thing.
You may be surprised.
^^^Pulling the race card now Joe/s? Wow, sinking to even lower levels to prop up this VERY average QB. A new low Joe and new low.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:29 am
It’s funny how not liking Jameis is a racial thing, but all the other black players on the team nobody has a problem with. If it was a racial thing against Jameis, then those same people would hate every black person on team. Racism isn’t selective of one black person vs. another.
Here’s a thought, instead of trying to make Jameis look like the second coming of Peyton Manning, how about you treat him like he really is, a mediocre QB. He is the 4th best QB in our division. Treat him as such.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:33 am
Yeah, I remember JPP at 620 was going after callers saying if they didn’t like Winston, it was they either hated FSU, or it was about race. Such a narrow view. Hmmm….no more JPP. Wonder if that’s why he got the boot. Good thing no matter what.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Magadude Winston allegedly coped a feel of a woman rothesberg allegedly raped a woman in the bathroom while two dudes stood outside n it wasnt his first time being accused but it’s funny u bash him for grabbing a woman by the snatch when ur MAGA Dude is on audio saying he does the same d@mn thing 🤷♂️😂💯 this coming from someone who doesnt hate trump
June 26th, 2019 at 10:38 am
Its not a race thing…. the old leader of the stickcarriers always screamed that BS. Its just a fact jameis is a middle of the road qb. He is an andy dalton ryan tannehill and marcus mariotta.
June 26th, 2019 at 10:41 am
Yall do realize saying hes the 4th best qb in our division is like saying I was only GIVEN the 4th fastest car in the world
June 26th, 2019 at 10:42 am
Magadude when was JPP realized I’ve been dealing with insurance claim stuff musta missed that huge news
June 26th, 2019 at 10:45 am
@Rodney,
If there were only 4 cars in the world. haha
June 26th, 2019 at 10:45 am
Magadude Winston allegedly coped a feel of a woman rothesberg allegedly raped a woman in the bathroom while two dudes stood outside n it wasnt his first time being accused but it’s funny u bash him for grabbing a woman by the crotch when ur MAGA Dude is on audio saying he does the same thing 🤷♂️😂💯 this coming from someone who doesnt hate trump
June 26th, 2019 at 10:51 am
Sorry for the double it said awaiting moderation and then was gone
June 26th, 2019 at 11:13 am
@Rodney, easy on the meth man. Not talking about the player. Not sure what you’re talking about though.
June 26th, 2019 at 12:00 pm
none of the guys listed were preinal cellar dwellars… not all jameis odviously.
None of those guys listed submarined their teams season because of a suspension.
None of those guys led the league in turnovers over a 4 year span…
but sure, its racial.
June 26th, 2019 at 12:57 pm
“Jameis is on the cusp of a number franchise records in four years as the Bucs starter.”
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For one thing he’s going into his fifth season, after four already.
For the second thing we’ve never had a QB remain on the roster for more than four years so it only makes since he will set new Buc records.
June 26th, 2019 at 1:41 pm
Triggered!!!! If you can’t handle the empirical evidence, you have SERIOUS problems. Not saying he’s better, by any stretch, just they were ALL young, risk-taking qbs in their respective youths. Elway was HORRIFIC, early on, and didn’t win A THING until T.D. carried him. You learn risk/reward with time. Now go to bed, haters with NOTHING to say.
June 26th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Brett Favre fumbled 41 times in his first 4 years, 52 in his first 5.
Winston 38 in his first 4 years. Account for the games missed and….the rate per game seems identical. Except that Favre was probably throwing 30-32 passes per game in the early/mid 90s, while Jameis has seen 40+ attempts routinely especially under pass happy Dirk.
June 26th, 2019 at 2:34 pm
Comparing 2017 to 2018….
Jameis both…
a) more than doubled his yards scrambled for (135 to 281)…
AND
b) cut his fumble total in half (15 in 2017, 8 in 2018)
To do both of those at the same time is an obvious sign of progress.
June 26th, 2019 at 2:48 pm
Winston, 4th in QBr last year.
If you remove the abortion of a game he had in bad weather on the road in Cinny, then he’s 1st.
Winston is literally the best QB in team history and it’s not even close. The idiots that fail to realize that are, well, idiots.
June 26th, 2019 at 3:03 pm
it’s funny these key board haters ain’t got anything better to do an like their comments mean anything to anyone I know mine don’t. Haha get a life haters
June 26th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Maga is the new tmax. But with Winston instead of gmc. Dude has no clue what he talks about or cares what he says don’t waste your time guys you can’t fix stupid
June 26th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Absolutely R.E.P.L.A.C.E.A.B.L.E
June 26th, 2019 at 4:38 pm
Rod Munch,
You mean the “bad weather” game where Fitzmagic almost won it for us? Had the team rolling!
I hope Jameis comes out this year and crushes it. We need it, and we need the #1 overall pick to be a game changer.
Now or never, and I can’t wait.
June 26th, 2019 at 5:28 pm
6-10
June 26th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
@Rod Munch:
I thought Jameis was 8th in QBR last time.
Now he’s 4th. Who knew?
Congrats to both of you.
tickrdr
June 26th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
Defense,
Thanks for the link. I had to look at those numbers because it is an anomaly.
Or should be anyway. The stat should be a point where serious questions about Winston’s mentality and it’s possible effects on his longterm development .
Specifically, is his mental approach to the game limiting or negating his ability to learn. While this type of thing isn’t at all rare , in fact its quite common, it’s not something seen with any regularity at the QB position.
Lastly, I’ve read your criticism of the , now all to familiar, comparisons of yesterday’s great players vs winston. You’ve made excellent points and supported it with evidence. I’m just going to say it’s such a ridiculously flawed idea to begin with that any attempts to discredit it lend a sense of credibility to the idea . The fact is its not credible and anyone who puts that idea out there is so uneducated and out of date in respect to the point to which the game has arrived today , that it’s mind-boggling.
Sorry, but I think it’s impossible to consider it a legitimate comparison to make unless it’s by someone who is completely unfamiliar with game and is seeking to understand the game thru numbers and analysis. Which is something of an explanation but it’s predicated on the individual attempting it and their understanding of numbers. Unfortunately, the great majority of people lack this ability. So it’s pretty slim in odds that these two prerequisites are met. I’m suggesting that evidence of the latter is abundant on this very site.
June 26th, 2019 at 7:57 pm
@Rod…I actually went to the game in CIN last year. A litle windy, but at gametime the weather was actually manageable. We expected all day downpour…almost NO rain…wind was not killer.
June 26th, 2019 at 8:11 pm
You want to make comparisons? Look how close Josh Freeman and Jameis Winston’s numbers matchup. In just about as many games started they have almost the same win/loss record. Close completion % etc… TD’s/t.o.
June 26th, 2019 at 9:26 pm
@D1 … “I’m suggesting that evidence of the latter is abundant on this very site.”
Lots of different ‘personalities’ on JBF.com to be sure D1, BUT … 2 things bind us all together IMO: (1) we all love OUR Bucs; and (2) we all want to see this team win. Many different ideas to be sure about how to accomplish that, but that’s what makes JBF.com fun. Life would really be boring if we all thought alike. Well, unless you all thought like me of course. (Now THAT would REALLY be boring … scary too).
June 26th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
D1 … Forgot to add, don’t overlook the fact that Jameis has had ONE offensive coach for his 4 years in the NFL, Dirk Koetter. I keep wondering how things might’ve turned out differently for Jameis IF he had a different coach. Seems like some are much more impressed with Koetter’s offensive accomplishments than I am.
Dirk was Jaquars’ OC from 2007-2011. Jags did good in 2007 (11-5) with David Garrard as QB, but then things went south. They were 5-11 in 2008, 7-9 in 2009, 8-8 in 2010 and 5-11 in 2011 … all with Koetter as OC & Garrard as QB until 2010 when he was replaced by Blaine Gabbert in 2011. Garrard’s & Gabbert’s stats were mediocre at best during those years. Jags offense AND defense wasn’t very impressive after 2007, but their running game was quite good in those years.
Koetter moved on to Atlanta from 2012-2014 as Mike Smith’s OC. First year again he did great (13-3) with Matt Ryan as his QB. Then things fell apart in 2013, as the Falcons went 4-12 and then 6-10 in 2014. Strange thing … in all 3 years the Falcons defense stunk AND so did their running game (sound familiar?).
So prior to coming here, Koetter had TWO winning years as OC for 2 teams over an 8-year stretch. Here with the Bucs he had ONE winning year as OC in 4-years. And that was the guy who Jameis learned how to be an NFL QB from starting at the age of 20. MIGHT things have turned out differently to this point IF Jameis had been coached by say Andy Reid or Bill Belicheck? Guess we’ll never know now.
June 27th, 2019 at 6:18 am
Ok, Joe, I understand now. Citing WInston’s failures is racist……got it.
June 27th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
tickrdr – Adjusted vs unadjusted QBr ranking. I mean you could just google it and in 2 seconds find the stat to verify it, or you could just be another whiny lazy piece of trash that takes more time to comment on things than to look it up.