Feel Free To Thank Jameis

April 28th, 2019

Influencing draft.

During his brief appearance on BSPN yesterday during the draft, it seems Bucco Bruce Arians let slip a big reason why the Bucs loaded up on secondary players was simple.

To keep America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, from throwing so much.

Arians was asked what goals he has for Jameis. Part of his response was, “Hopefully with the defensive picks we won’t be playing from 20 behind all the time.”

There you have it. Somehow or another, all the football decisions have to do with getting the most out of No. 3.

So Arians is hoping, since the team he works for looked the other way in a draft loaded with defensive linemen, that corners can stop the Bucs from getting shelled in the passing game.

Color Joe skeptical. Real skeptical.

Sure, the defense should improve this year. How could it not? Previously, the defense was the worst mankind ever witnessed. Mike Smith is fortunate we don’t live under the boot of Joe Stalin. Otherwise Smith would be living in a gulag right now and working 18 hours every day in a coal mine.

If he was lucky.

Also, Arians had a simple goal for Jameis.

“Quit throwing [the ball] to the other team.”

87 Responses to “Feel Free To Thank Jameis”

  1. Duthsty Rhothdes Says:

    I mean im pretty sure in the NFL you are allowed to run the ball, maybe get a legit NFL starting RB & fix the right side of the OL & run the ball which would mean less jameis throws

  2. Not there yet Says:

    Wtf!!!! How did blame Jameis even become what you gathered from the guy not wanting to play from 20 points behind? Your logic is mind blowing. Even fitz offense got blown out last year a couple games, are you saying that’s on the quarterback for allowing defenses to score too? It’s not a bad thing not wanting a quarterback to throw 50-60 times a games it’s actually common sense to shorten the game especially when you don’t have a stacked roster like the guys making it to the playoffs every year. You dudes have turned into the biggest haters on the web. Where’d you get that dumb thank Jameis take from SAS?

  3. BringBucsBack Says:

    No problem with that philosophy but, not upgrading O-line & RB seems incongruous.

  4. catcard202 Says:

    If they weren’t 100% sold on JW3 being in Tampa for the next contract 3yrs+…Then passing on Drew Lock in the 2nd will look awfully short-sighted in 9mths.

  5. Mort Says:

    This is going to be one long and terrible off-season. Wish I could hibernate right now tbh.

  6. LakeLand Says:

    This would make sense if they had the ability to win at the LOS. But everyone and their mother knows that they will get blown away at the LOS. How often will Jameis be on the field? Will the Bucs be able to run the ball? Will the Bucs be able to stop the run. Will the Bucs defense be able to constantly get pressure on the QB?

    I’m not buying this nonsense

    It don’t make sense!!

  7. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    Joe don’t overthink this. We loaded up on secondary players because our secondary was horrible.

  8. FortMyersDave Says:

    Bowles simply installing a D where the secondary is not playing 5 to 10 yards soft cushions and getting nickle and dimed to death like what Mike Smith put out should vastly improve the D from that 2018 embarrassment. However, while coaching was a major culprit for why the D was so bad it is obvious that the braintrust also thinks that Bowles had the wrong horses to make it happen and thus we witnessed one of the more one sided, tunnel-visioned drafts of recent history simply due to the fact that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link and of also the rusty metal pieces that make up the Bucs roster (mediocre OL, non-existent running game, a kicker with the yips, 20th ranked sack total etc) it was obvious that the 2018 secondary had to be completely blown up and thus resulted in other areas being neglected for the most part. As a fan I hope it works out for Arians and Bowles else the Bucs will be back picking in the top 6 with Chuckie, Gettleman and anyone who is tanking for Tua…..

  9. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Only if you CHOOSE to let it be. Won’t be bad for me at all. I’m very excited. The pick that counted…the one expected to succeed at a 77% rate in the top five…White seems great to me.

    From there on it becomes a longer and longer shot against the odds. Some will work out…statistically the majority will not.

    We not only have some talent on this team…we have guys with unrealized potential. I think BA/Bowles will bring out that potential.

    But at the end of the day..#3 is the straw that stirs this drink. The season will go as JW goes. We already have a head start.

    He’s not going to be absent the first three games. There will be no carry over from missing the first 20% of the season and worrying about Fitzmagic’s success.

    ALL signs are pointing up for JW this year. His coach not only believes in him…he has the last six games of last season to remind him of how he “should” play…he has weapons and targets out the wazoo…and the AZ debacle and 3 game suspension are no longer a distraction.


  10. wausa Says:

    I am not sure why the Bucs have decided to not attempt to upgrade the line and running back positions in either the draft or free agency.

    Opponents know the Bucs do not have a running game, which makes it much easier to game plan against them.

  11. Billy_43 Says:

    How does that have to do with Jameis?

  12. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Hopefully Jameis has a great year and we don’t have to question him as the future and starter…. so next year we can draft The Freak’n Trenches and get a STUD
    Running Back
    But “there Ain’t no hope in football “

  13. Kgh4life Says:

    The drafting of the 3 DB’s is an indictment on Licht’s past drafts. He has invested heavily in the secondary during his tenure as GM and the results are lacking. The two guys whose roster spots are in danger in my opinion are Ryan Smith and M.J. Stewart. Smith has the measurables but no ball skills, M.J. is short and slow.

  14. LakeLand Says:

    Jameis need a run game more than anything else. Run blockers are the offense greatest need. Peyton Barber is a solid backup. Ronald Jones probably belongs in the slot, or a change of pace back. The Bucs need a legitimate 3 down RB.

    This is Jameis and the offense greatest need

  15. K2 Says:

    We need to find a kicker who can make a 100 yard field goals. So we never throw interceptions. Just get 3 points every time we get the ball.

  16. Maze Says:

    Should have drafted Will Grier

  17. LakeLand Says:


    I agree with you 100%

    They should have drafted Will Grier. And also drafted a DT to replace the Million Dollar Ice Cream Man.

  18. debucsfan Says:

    The stated goal is to not be down by 20. That way the offense (jameis, fitz, whoever) doesn’t have to throw so much and the O can run.

    Playing from behind puts every offense at a disadvantage. That said, some O-Line would’ve been nice.

  19. Tony LA Says:

    In summation of most of the above posts:


  20. Etzel Says:

    ATTN Jameis Haters: We know you all miss Fitz very very much. But he’s on the team just down the street! This is your chance to become a lifetime Dolphins fan.

  21. Buc Raybolt Says:

    Let’s wait and see how the players play. No team has ever won a game before the season starts. Give it at least 3 years. Let’s look back at the 2016 draft…. oh wait let’s not (it’s the Aguayo draft).

  22. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Woke up this morning and I read that Jameis Winston was a pro bowler? That was like 2 seasons ago. And he was an alternate added late. That’s like finishing a race in 4th place… but you still get a bronze medal cuz 3rd place guy was disqualified for some reason… U didn’t really deserve it.

    I think the Joe’s need to give their head a shake and think of their readers here… America’s Quarterback hahahahahahaha. I lose more and more respect for the Joe’s and Jameis every time I see this.

  23. LakeLand Says:

    You need balance on both sides of the ball

    That’s a must in the NFL

  24. wausa Says:

    The Jamies haters are out.

    The Bucs have had the worst special teams and defense in the NFL over the past three years along with a poor running game. Even the best QB of all time can not overcome that little help.

  25. Pete Mitchell Says:

    There’s a new Fitz in town… undrafted Nick Fitzgerald our of Mississippi State, maybe he could be our Taysom Hill?!?!

  26. Brandon Says:

    Can you guys STFU about Will Grier? Every team in the league passed on him multiple times before Carolina took him to ride the bench. He has no special traits or qualities. He’s a name that a few of you simpletons recognize and he had a couple good games against high profile teams. He’s not that good.

  27. Ndog Says:

    Hey BucsBandit where’s that QB we were going to draft to replace Jameis???

    Hahahahahaha come out and play little buddy, don’t hide now cause you were talking out of your rear.

    BTW for you clueless ones Jameis had his worst year last year and still was 8th I’m QBR last year which actually factors in everything including running game, defense, situations, etc… Take a look at the list for yourselves and enjoy. Please look at some of the names below Mr. Winston.

    2018 Regular Season NFL Leaders in QBR

    1 Patrick Mahomes, KC
    2 Drew Brees, NO
    3 Mitchell Trubisky, CHI
    4 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT
    5 Andrew Luck, IND
    6 Tom Brady, NE
    7 Philip Rivers, LAC
    8 Jameis Winston, TB
    9 Matt Ryan, ATL
    10 Jared Goff, LAR
    11 Russell Wilson, SEA
    12 Carson Wentz, PHI
    13 Deshaun Watson, HOU
    14 Kirk Cousins, MIN
    15 Andy Dalton, CIN
    16 Aaron Rodgers, GB
    17 Dak Prescott, DAL
    18 Joe Flacco, BAL
    19 Marcus Mariota, TEN
    20 Cam Newton, CAR
    21 Nick Mullens, SF
    22 Matthew Stafford, DET
    23 Baker Mayfield, CLE
    24 Josh Allen, BUF
    25 Eli Manning, NYG
    26 Alex Smith, WSH
    27 Derek Carr, OAK
    28 Sam Darnold, NYJ
    29 Case Keenum, DEN
    30 Blake Bortles, JAX
    31 Lamar Jackson, BAL
    32 Ryan Tannehill, MIA
    33 Josh Rosen, ARI

  28. LakeLand Says:

    Big Ben passed for over 5,000 yards this season, for the first time in his career. And they didn’t make the playoffs.

    Reason why:

    They were 31st in rushing

  29. Patrick Says:

    The Bucs drafting of DB’s and a S is common sense when thought through clearly. (It remains to be seen if the actual guys they selected- Bunting,Dean and Anderson will work out) But, the Secondary has far more question marks and need for talent than the Defensive Line. This is unquestionably True. To say otherwise is to show an emotional reactive response because of not having the pass rush since S. Rice, Sapp etc… You can’t make decisions on emotions. That’s a “Fan(antics)” response. The Bucs have a still productive guy in JPP and a productive guy in Nassib. They do not have this – at all – in the secondary. Granted, rookies are not the best way to get there at either Secondary or Defense Line But the weakest link is clearly Secondary in a 3-4 Defense that now demands press coverage and speed. So, excellent choice by the Bucs in this draft. It remains to be seen if the guys they drafted for the secondary will work out. Nobody at this point knows one way or another. Let’s just hope the coaching is better than it has been in the last decade.

  30. NOSBOS Says:

    Nobody cares about your skepticism Joe. You don’t know the difference between a 3/4 and 4/3 base defense.

  31. LakeLand Says:

    These are my points:

    They didn’t give Jameis any help on the O-Line this offseason
    They lost DJAX ( Field stretcher)
    They lost Hump ( His slot WR)
    They didn’t add a 3 Down RB (Or a RB at all)

    So why not draft Will Grier?

    This team is built for a QB to fail

  32. LakeLand Says:

    It seems strange that Dirk Koetter was here with Jameis for 4 seasons.

    And they never spent a 1st round draft pick on an O-Lineman

    He goes to the Falcons as their OC

    And they draft an OG and OT in the first round

  33. BucEmUp Says:

    Any fool knows the points our defenses hace allowed ocer the last decade eill cause even the best of qbs to.make bad decisions and throw.picks just to stay in the fame. Its about time they got a real heaf coaching with some common sense.


  34. Etzel Says:

    “Nobody cares about your skepticism Joe. You don’t know the difference between a 3/4 and 4/3 base defense.”

    LOL!!!! This is hard facts. The entire podcast of them yelling like we need personnel for a Mike Smith 4-3 Cover 2 defense.

  35. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    LakeLand we are going to resign Winston which makes Grier, like Ryan Griffin, Mr. Irrelevant.

  36. Buc_U Says:

    I didn’t know many of you had been in the coaches meetings or on the field during mini camp because if not you sure are making a lot of assumptions about our team. I’m sure we can all agree the last 4 coaches have been less than competent in the abilities to coach a winning team. I get it you guys are so used to losing that you take on a loser mentality so even when you get put in a better situation you can’t appreciate it. We got what we wanted, an experienced coach with a winning record and a plan to make us a winning team. Don’t be the guy who finally gets the hot girlfriend he always wanted and then runs her off because he is insecure. There is no doubt in my mind that we will be a playoff team this year. Now if we don’t I will speak my peace and voice my complaints, but I don’t plan to do that because my optimism is high. I know what I am saying makes sense but half of you will still go against it, because it wouldn’t matter if they raised Lombardi from the dead to come coach the Bucs you still wouldn’t be happy.

  37. Jean Lafitte Says:

    When will Joe have a list of the signed UDFA’s

  38. Etzel Says:

    Also Jameis was just fine before “Weaponz 4 Winston” became the priority. Maybe him performing well with a bunch of UDFA is actually a blessing and shows the cap space can be allocated to other position besides WR/TE….. No? Alright more receivers then. Lol

  39. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Don’t know what draft grades you guys are reading. The few I’ve checked seem to be OK to favorable.

    The Washingon Post of course give their hometown boys an A- because they wanted Haskins so badly. Time will tell if he’s that great but I do not deny he has potential.

    Meanwhile in our Division…

    So much for Lakeland’s praise fo the Falcons.

    Bucs received a B…only team in our division higher was Carolina and they got a B+

    Saints got a C while the Falcons got a C-.

  40. donuts Says:

    LOL using QBR to rate QBs… you might as well throw darts at names on a board. The last time I checked the only stat that counts is Ws. A FRANCHISE QB wins games….its that simple….on his back…lifts the team….all alone. Brees and Brady have been carrying their teams for years but Winston gets a pass because he does what?? Has lots of 4Q passing yards when he has turned the ball over and cost us 10 points+ and a top 10 QBR.

  41. Clw JB Says:

    I wasn’t happy with day two, but after having time to review the entire draft – we got very good value in Nelson and Beckner to help make up for maybe reaching for Bunting

    Nelson let’s us cut WG and save 4 mil- same player but younger

    Added talent at all 3 levels of the worst D ever and signed some base level depth FA

    Got a speed guy late and a strong legged kicker that could save us a cpl mil a year

    Still think one less DB and should have taken a G/T in 2nd or 3rd

    But we needed D help the worst and got a lot of it

  42. JabooBuc Says:

    Not sure I get the point of this. Yes, BA wants to improve the defense so that we don’t have to play from 20 points behind making us generally one dimensional. Isn’t this just obvious. It’s how teams win games.

  43. OneBuc55 Says:

    Personally, I’m happy with the draft…

    BA and Bowles obviously didn’t think we had enough size and speed in our secondary and made it a point to address it…if you’re gonna live and die by the blitz you better have guys in the secondary that are big, scrappy, fast, and physical…

    I’m excited that theres gonna be plenty of competition at DB this training camp; everyone in the secondary was just put on notice…step it up or step aside…

  44. Mike Johnson Says:

    This new coaching staff have seen on film what many of us have known for the last few yrs. The Bucs Defense is SLOW. Especially the secondary to include our linebackers. They take to long to get to the ball. While many of you have been just amazed and starry eyed with our offense..its been the Defense that have lost most of our Games. Improve the Defense and we win more..a lot more.

  45. donuts Says:

    BA and Winston are throwing smoke bombs at podium at moment. BA has no idea what he really has until they are in camp. This is just a fact for all NFL teams. I would have liked to see a guard selected in the first 3 rounds and a RB in the last 4 rounds instead of the kicker/WR combo at the end that left most Buc fans scratching their heads. I think White will be a Pro Bowler unless health probs. He has that it factor and plays end to end like a bat out of hell. The rest of the choices are we will see types….I like the DE from Iowa. Nice game tape.

    This also means NO TEAM offered even a 7th rounder for McCoy. Cut city. Bucs have no choice since cap issue is so bad – another fault of Licht. Licht overpays at the wrong spots and cant grade a NFL draft well. Bucs need to change the voices in the draft review room next year or just another sign of franchise dysfunction. #GoBucs

  46. stpetebucsfan Says:

    GMC is the wild card in the equation. If he renogotiates or the Buc’s make some cuts and he comes back. That is adding five sacks to our D next year. Hate him if you wish, he’s not nor was ever going to be Sapp…neither is Suh btw…but he still has some production left in him.

    But I agree with and understand those who believe 13 million is more than that production is worth.

  47. LakeLand Says:

    They still lack balance on both sides of the ball

    One dimensional teams don’t win in the NFL


  48. LakeLand Says:

    I wasn’t praising the Falcons draft

    I was praising the effort they made to get pieces around Matt Ryan to make him successful.

    Atlanta Falcons
    Round 1. OG
    Round 1. OT
    Round 5. RB

    Tampa Bay:
    No O-Linemen
    No RB

  49. firethecannons Says:

    Desperate for a storyline
    don’t know what else could explain this article

    Not There Yet says:
    Wtf!!!! How did blame Jameis even become what you gathered from the guy not wanting to play from 20 points behind? Your logic is mind blowing.

    could not of said it better

  50. Ndog Says:

    donuts Says:
    April 28th, 2019 at 12:28 pm
    LOL using QBR to rate QBs… you might as well throw darts at names on a board. The last time I checked the only stat that counts is Ws. A FRANCHISE QB wins games….its that simple….on his back…lifts the team….all alone. Brees and Brady have been carrying their teams for years but Winston gets a pass because he does what?? Has lots of 4Q passing yards when he has turned the ball over and cost us 10 points+ and a top 10 QBR.

    Name the QB that has won with a bottom 5 running game, a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 5 kicking game. I’ll wait…

  51. Isaac haggins Says:

    The panic was bunting who would have lasted 20 more picks , That is clearly drafting for need as such was mentioned right before they picked by this board !!! The d backfield is bad bad bad no matter who drafted who !!

    Problem is it appears once again Licht tried to outsmart himself , the trade in the third was good value but did he turn it into great value , time will tell !!! Can’t really be great value when you have two young seconds and a fourth at safety already so we sure had better have a top ten d backfield by week 8 and I sure hope they do .

  52. Isaac haggins Says:

    Btw I do like the mizzou d tackle at that pick !!! Def has some talent and a pretty good motor .

  53. Bobby M. Says:

    Winston can be a very effective game manager but he’s not the savior the team/fans had hoped for. The dude needs a lot of help to be effective.

    -He needs excellent line play
    -He needs a running game.
    -He needs very athletic, large body receivers to give him bigger windows to complete passes in.
    -He needs a top ten defense to clean up his turnovers and hold the fort down while he sputters for the 1st qtr/half to get warmed up.
    -He needs a “QB guru” for a head coach.

    Its very hard to keep all that together with the salary cap….particularly when your GM whiffs on entire drafts and your owners will hit reset every 3 yrs.

  54. donuts Says:

    Ndog u can wait. QBR is not a good stat for eval QB position or play. Keep on making excuses for him in year 5.

  55. Buc68 Says:

    Actually Bobby, give him a kicker, a defense in the top 20, and a rushing offense inside the top 20 and will go to the playoffs. It’s like people don’t realize our D, Special teams, and rush offense have not been bad. They have been abominations and our fans still blame Winston. Its perplexing to me!

  56. stpetebucsfan Says:


    The point the Post made was not the positions the Falcons selected but the quality of those first two draft choices.

    Not directed at you Lakeland but the board in general. If a guy busts at a so call needed position isn’t he still a bust.

    “The drafting of the 3 DB’s is an indictment on Licht’s past drafts.”

    I’ve read and reread this statement in different forms from many posters and the answer is a resounding NO.

    First off Bowles D needs strong DB’s..and plenty of them.

    Licht is understandably and should be gunshy after last season losing both of his starting DB’s and being forced to let rookies learn the hard way.

    Does anybody here ever consider depth? In addition given that Davis has a year under his belt and VHG is coming back wouldn’t it be nice if we could work these guys into the lineup and not simply throw them to the wolves like last year?

    DK used to love to say you can’t have enough good players…especially in a D that will lean heavily on the LB’s and DB’s.

  57. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Bucs Bandit is a tool… a broken tool. Jameis isn’t getting replaced anytime soon.

  58. Ndog Says:

    donuts Says:
    April 28th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
    Ndog u can wait. QBR is not a good stat for eval QB position or play. Keep on making excuses for him in year 5.

    I asked you a direct question since you are judging by wins just answer my question or is it that you can’t smart guy? And BTW anyone with eyes knows Jameis is a very good QB with the exception on those who are not going to like him no matter what he does. He sucked out loud vs the Bengals but other than that he played just fine considering we had no threat of a running game, no kicker and gave up points like a prositute gives it up in Las Vegas. But you keep thinking those things are his fault you football savant.

  59. down in the dirt doug Says:

    Lakeland you make a lot of sense. We really have to have help on the o line and a quality three down runner.Make it happen Big Bruce.WE BELIEVE IN YOU–DON’T LET US DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!

  60. Defense Rules Says:

    Uhhh BA, your statement is quite myopic … “Hopefully with the defensive picks we won’t be playing from 20 behind all the time.” You just singled out the defense as THE REASON why the Bucs so often fell 20 points behind. No question that they were ONE of the reasons why we fell behind early … but only ONE of the reasons.

    Bucs’ offense had a number of ‘slow starts’ last year, some because of turnovers, some because of not being able to sustain drives. We fell behind by 20 pts in 3 games: Steelers (30-10 at the half), Bears (38-3 at the half), Panthers (35-14 at the half). Needless to say, we lost all 3. In those 3 games, the Bucs offense scored only 27 total pts (9 pts average in those 1st halfs)

    Might also be worth noting that the Bucs offense committed SIX turnovers in the 1st half in those 3 games. Guess who paid the price: THE DEFENSE. That resulted in opposition scoring points in some cases, but in all of those instances it meant more time on the field for the defense, against 3 very good teams … especially good RUNNING TEAMS (run defense was a very pronounced weakness of ours last year).

    Additionally, in 2 of those games, our defense stiffened quite a bit in the 2nd half (allowed 0 pts in 2nd half to Steelers & only 7 pts to the Panthers in the 2nd half).

    It’s mighty easy to jump on the defense as being the cause of situations like being 20 pts down, but falling behind by so much took a lot of TEAM EFFORT. BOTH the offense & the defense share equally in the responsibility far as I’m concerned.

  61. Sean Says:

    we had 2 different starting qbs last year and had a stupid good offense… and you people are mad we didn’t spend picks on that side of the ball while transitioning to a new defense? Classic Tampa fan….dumb as dirt

  62. WyldKat Says:

    Feel the trust…

  63. celly Says:

    Those that say that they “reached” for Bunting…. How can you claim that to be the case when you’re not in the draft room nor are you privy to what their, or any other NFL teams’ draft board looks like?

    Just because the draft “experts” have one ranking doesn’t mean that is reality.

  64. CChead Says:

    Worst opposing completion % @ 73%. JW fault.
    Right side of Oline sucks ass. JW fault
    No running game. JW fault.
    Sh*t kicking game. JW fault
    An ass clown for a GM. JW fault
    Salary cap hell. JW fault
    Can’t sell out home games. JW fault
    Game temperature is unbearably hot. JW fault
    Ugly ass uniforms. JW fault

  65. Rod Munch Says:

    Posted this before the draft, explains everything…

    Corner depth chart going into the draft…

    1. ???????
    2. Davis
    3. VH3
    4. ???????
    5. ???????

    If you don’t understand why they loaded up on DB’s, then you haven’t been paying attention.

    With that said the question is if Licht actually drafted the right guys this time around – we shall wait and see but his track record should make us worry. But you HAVE to address the spot since Licht did not address it in free agency. The Bucs literally only had 2 guys at corner that should be in the NFL, and VH3 is a ticking IR clock. Adding rookies isn’t ideal, but at least there is some hope for the future – and the guys they picked this time weren’t running 4.65 40s, so that’s another bonus.

  66. Rod Munch Says:

    “Hopefully with the defensive picks we won’t be playing from 20 behind all the time.”

    I’ve literally been saying this for a couple of years, that many of the plays people rag on Winston about are coming when he’s already down by 20 in the 2nd quarter and just trying to do anything to get the team back into the game. Give the kid a chance, keep the game close, and you do that by cutting Chris Conte and Ryan Smith two years ago.

  67. rrsrq Says:

    Jameis Winston in his press conference let it slip, “now that we have Duke”, I think Duke Johnson will be a Buc this year

  68. LakeLand Says:


    down in the dirt doug

  69. Jackwagon Says:

    Like many above have stated…

    Foolish, idiotic, and probably purposely inflammatory to supposedly think there’s any link of “there you have it”…stuff, about BA not wanting to play from 20 points behind, and that sentiment having ANYTHING to do with “getting the most out of #3”.

    Retarded inference drawn.

    “Somehow or another” whoever penned this article, should get some more sleep.

  70. stpetebucsfan Says:


    That was an awesome post and gets the award for the most apt metaphorical description of a significant number of our posters.

    Don’t be the guy who finally gets the hot girlfriend he always wanted and then runs her off because he is insecure.

  71. Rod Munch Says:

    The full comment was…

    Question: On his first year with Jameis Winston, what he wants to see from him:
    “Just more consistency, regardless of the other team, make better decisions. The athletic ability is there, the arm is there, and hopefully with the defensive picks we won’t be playing from 20 behind all the time.”


    So, uh, yeah, it was literally in reference to a question about Winston. When Joe says getting the most out of #3, he’s obviously saying if Winston isn’t having to take huge risks to try to get the team back into the game, that he can just play his game – thus you get more out of Winston by having a decent defense that isn’t losing the game in the first half. Not sure why people are getting triggered by this. I don’t agree with Joe’s comments about NOT taking corners when the Bucs have ZERO depth at the position, but the overall concept here is correct.

  72. Reach87 Says:

    Draft can help but the key will be coaching in all phases. If the offense stays as it is and defense and special teams improve we win a bunch more games. Must be consistent in all phases. IMO we have better players (for anticipated scheme) on defense. Those that don’t start play special teams, making some level of impact on that phase. We didn’t do much on offense but we got a potentially good Wideout and speedy slot to replace our losses there and we have another year to improve our young OL players (remember Joe’s article on extra reps and small-group work with Capps?). Again, if you look at it by phase we have touched the two “worst” phases this off season. Let’s see if we can coach em up and make game time adjustments. I think we can. Go Bucs!

  73. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Hopefully with the defensive picks we won’t be playing from 20 behind all the time.”

    Joe, what has that got to do with Jameis????!!!

    Absolutely nothing!

    He said it because every time our opponents got the ball they scored on our crappy defense!

    Wow. Just wow.

  74. lurker Says:

    and look at the excuses already at the ready if jameis plays poorly again.

  75. Dapostman Says:

    If the defense would have given up 4 points less a game the Bucs could have went 9-7. When your defensive points against is 29 and is 31st out of 32 teams you are the weakest link.


    The defense gave up 28 points or more in 8 games. That’s half the season. The odds of winning an NFL game go down when giving up 28 points or more.

    The Patriots were 2-3 when they gave up 28 points or more.

  76. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Gerald might restructure, but we really do not need him to. We need Mike Evans to rework his contract.

    We can now save $4m by cutting Goulston too.

    Unless they sign someone they really don’t need much.

  77. lurker Says:

    Where is 87 who said Jameis would take us to the superbowl year 3? Lol

  78. donuts Says:

    We will see what the QB whisperer can do with Winston…..we shall see…. I hope some of you are ready for disappointment again because the table is set. Listen, I get that some of you don’t get my QB criticism. I just cant stand the QB excuses; most impt position on the field. You can stat shine with QBR the turd all you want but its still a turd. Some of us know what great QB play looks like and some of us dont. When Dilfer/Johnson is your Buc standard, I understand the confusion.

    Did you look at what our opponents did in the draft? All trenches….. ATL had a much better OL than we did and their first pick….was a Guard. CAR went LB and 2 OT in the first 4 rnds. Saints went with a OL/center. NE spent 4 of their 10 picks where—- in the trenches!!! The game is won and lost in the trenches and this franchise is soft on the OL and DL needs much more depth. Did we address that? NO but we got a kicker, lots of CB that may or may not play well at NFL level and another WR! Lets see how this all pans out on game day.

  79. BucEmUp Says:

    I cant wait for November and all.of yoy arseholes eat crow

  80. BigMacAttack Says:

    I agree with Coach. The secondary has been the Achilles for too long. Get it right. The linebacker will really help and if the CBs and safety’s can do it, we could see many more sacks. The secondary can give the line one second just as the line can the secondary. New coaches so this could come together. Every year my goal is 16pts or less on defense and you’ll make the playoffs.

  81. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Get some rest Joe! This article is an all time low for the page.

  82. geno711 Says:

    @BigMacAttack Says:
    April 28th, 2019 at 6:57 pm

    I agree with you and Munch. You need at least 4 corner backs that can play as you start the season — if not 5. Need at least 4 safeties.

    I think New England typically rosters 6 good corner backs on their squad and 5 good safeties. Green Bay who has run a 3-4 as well spends all kinds of draft capital on corners and safeties.

    BTW 16 a game average is not realistic in this current league.
    Maybe 21-22 a game average is a reasonable goal. i.e. 21.5 would have gotten you 10th last year.

    Unless you are saying you should get 12 wins if your team gives up less than 16 in that particular game.

  83. BA FAN Says:

    Licht has furnished our Safety Room with mostly backup quality Safeties. Conte was too slow and was timed at 4.53 in the 40. We know BA wants speed at all positions. Licht spent a second pick on Justin Evans who was touted as having good range for a Free Safety but his 40 time is 4.57–slower than Conte and he has had problems in tackling too. No wonder MJ Stewart was moved to Safety when he was found too slow to play slot or regular CB. At least he hits with a pop and is a good tackler, but Conte too hit with a pop but wasn’t fast enough at Safety at 4.53 in the 40 and Stewart is 4.54 in the 40 and not likely to start either. No wonder then that Licht signed two Safeties in Free Agency this year but both of them were backups at Safety with different NFL teams but one did start in AAF this year and did well there and the other started this year for Green Bay but didn’t impress, but Licht still picked another Safety in the draft this year-Mike Edwards who led the SEC with a 100 tackles one year and overall had good production but he has a 40 time of 4.53 just like Conte and may end up chasing behind players into the end zone unless he has a lot better instincts then Conte. Well Whitehead impressed last year with his solid tackling and his ball hawking despite being only 5’10″ and 198 lbs. and since he only had a 40 time of 4.59 he had to have developed great instincts for strong safety. Now Bucannon is super fast and he is very short but tough and could play some Safety too with White and David as our starting ILBs but BA will likely use him in special defenses as a LB instead. Orion Stewart from the AAF is is 6’2″ like Conte and 205 lbs. which is 2 pounds more than Conte and has a 37″ vertical jump and just played almost a season as an AAF starter but he runs a 4.58 40 which is slower than Conte. At least Licht also signed Kentral Brice, a Green Bay back up Safety at the start of 2018 but was elevated to a starter but could not stay healthy and was a poor tackler and was let go to free agency. However Brice is by far the fastest Safety other than Bucannon with a 4.38 best 40 time and 4.44 at his Pro Day. He is 5’11″ 200 lbs. with a 42″ vertical jump. He and Evans both need full development at tackling, but if Brice with a year of starting experience can stay healthy he likely can beat out Justin Evans at Free Safety and will be able to cover all over the field.
    The race for Strong Safety will likely be a tossup between Whitehead, Orion Stewart, Edwards, and maybe MJ Stewart. They all can tackle well and the fastest is Edwards and the biggest is Orion Stewart. Orion Stewart and Whitehead are both ball hawks. It will go to whoever plays the best in Preseason. Who would you choose and why?

  84. BucAllNight Says:

    @NDog: Thanks for posting FACTS!!
    @NosBucs: Thanks for holding Joe accountable

    Bottom line is we will be vastly better and REAL football fans KNOW this. With the game now changing to more 7-on7 and you not being able to touch WR’s its GREAT for once we are AHEAD of the curve in our DB picks. Pay attention Joe… we can load up on DL and keep getting 15 yard personal fouls OR cover and BREAK on the ball & TAKE it away. I played DB ala Bowles so I SEE what he is doing. You’ll come around once we are 6-3 THEN I’ll repost this comment

    GO Bucs!!

  85. Ndog Says:

    Some of us know what great QB play looks like and some of us dont. When Dilfer/Johnson is your Buc standard, I understand the confusion.

    So smart guy I will ask again name the Elite QB play you have seen from a QB on a team with bottom 5 running game, a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 6 kicking game?

    The closet thing you can get would be Marino, Moon and Fouts and what exactly did they win again?

    I don’t know you enough to I assume know you know little about football (though your comments suggest as much) but I can assure you, you do not know watch more football than me. Bottom line when I ask you very direct questions as to why you make the statements you make and you go on a different direction it shows not only do you struggle with football but you have no clue how your debate OR you are dead wrong.

  86. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Sounds to me like Bucco Bruce doesn’t want the game to be decided by Winston’s (in)ability to pass the ball (to the right color jerseys).

  87. wideleftandright Says:

    No ,Morgus .
    Arians doesnt want Winston to have to feel like he HAS to make a play ALL the time coming from 3 scores back after the half.