Explosive Ed Oliver
April 4th, 2019
Misused in college?
If you are a skeptic of Houston manbeast Ed Oliver, try to open your mind with some research.
If you are a fan of Oliver, enjoy the following.
Derrik Klassen of FootballOutsiders.com did a thorough study on Oliver. And like Daniel Jeremiah and other NFL scouts that Jeremiah talked to, Klassen is convinced Oliver was misused at Houston.
Therefore, Klassen is convinced, Oliver will blow up in the NFL because even when misused at Houston, he was a force.
Klassen uses all sorts of video clips to demonstrate Oliver’s moves and intelligence. As Klassen shows, Oliver has NFL-ready hand combat and pass-rushing moves many of the top defensive linemen in the draft do not have. Klassen also shows how Oliver is already keen on how to use leverage to win battles and has an explosive first step.
In the NFL, Oliver will not be put in the same physically demanding positions he was at Houston. At Houston, he was often playing zero-tech — a role designed for larger, squattier defensive lineman. It is safe to assume Oliver will primarily be a 3-technique in the NFL, just like the aforementioned Donald, Atkins, and McCoy. The 3-tech position is more conducive to leaner, more explosive players such as Oliver.
Because the NFL loves to make the same mistakes over and over again, Oliver will probably fall in the draft for being “too small for the position.” For almost every team that passes on him, doing so will be a massive mistake. Oliver’s first step and NFL-ready savvy will make him a Sheldon Richardson-type impact right away, with the potential to develop into an All-Pro. Though Oliver will certainly get pushed down in this draft class, his level of talent is worth the first overall pick.
That’s some big-time stuff.
Look, Joe remembers three years ago when Oliver was a sophomore and Tom Herman was the Cougars’ coach, Houston did a number of Oklahoma and Oliver went nuts on one of the best offensive lines in college football. He wasn’t playing as a nose tackle then.
That day Oliver had a pair of sacks, seven tackles including two for loss as Houston upset Oklahoma 33-23.
The next year, Herman left for Texas and Major Applewhite took over and Oliver was used as a nose tackle. His play tailed off.
The way Oliver went nuts against a strong offensive line as a sophomore told Joe a lot. And so many NFL people believe Oliver has been misused at Houston.
This Oliver very well could be a jackpot. And we all know Bucco Bruce Arians wants to win now. If Oliver really can play like Sheldon Richardson as a rookie, how exactly is that a bad pick?
April 4th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
I have heard some National analysis today that rates Ed Oliver above ALL of the others… Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen, etc…
Definitely an intriguing player.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Would be thrilled to bring him in. The Bucs will have a shot at one (hopefully 2) of Bosa/Williams/Allen/Oliver, hopefully Licht wont screw this up.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
Dude does look like a beast!
April 4th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
If a team plays him as a one gap penetrating DT in a 4/3 or 3/4 he will most likely be very successful.
It’s curious that Houston put him at NT. Just his size alone would tell you he is not built for that position.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:24 pm
I got a good chuckle outta that read! Thanks @Joe’s.
The Fabled “Derrik Klaussen”…wait Bill Parcells??…no, Derrik Klaussen. Of the THE…Football Outsiders. THEEE Football Outsiders 🙂
QUINNEN. WILLIAMS.
Next.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
Major Applewhite should be court marshaled!
April 4th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
“This guy is poison and not a good teammate…
the instant the Benjamins touch his hand he will turn to Chris Baker…
and the humping begins again”
Kobe Faker
April 4th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
Wouldn’t mind Oliver @ 5. But I’d like to see the Bucs trade down a few spots and still get Oliver, plus another 2nd rd pick.
1st RD- ED Oliver
2nd RD- Jeffery Simmons (as long as his recovery is going to plan, and he falls to us in the 2nd)
2nd RD- Chris Lindstrom or Yondy Cajuste
A three man front with Vea, Oliver, and Simmons would be awesome for years to come. They all could play anywhere on the line, all three need to be double teamed which inevitably would leave one of them in a one on one situation and would also free up a linebacker.
Build the TRENCHES
April 4th, 2019 at 3:33 pm
Always love these guys who are like, “Who is this guy? What has he done? What has he written?”, so as to try and discredit the writer.
My question is Who the F are you? What are your credentials, smart a$$?
April 4th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
Damn Kobe that was funny!
April 4th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
If Gerald takes a pay cut, a 3-4 with Vea in the middle and Oliver/Gerald on the ends would be disruptive.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
If they already have their mind made up that GMC is not gonna be on the team this season then they NEED to come away with either Quinnen Williams or Ed Oliver imo. Jeffrey Simmons would be a good pick but hoping he falls to the 2nd round is risky.
Ed Oliver at 5 is a good pick.
April 4th, 2019 at 3:53 pm
lol Kobe I duno man. Is that just based on him wearing that shirt that one time and his coach yelling at him over a stupid as h3ll rule?
I see a guy who wants to go hard on tape to the whistle. Not some loafing b1tch like Chris Baker. And rookies don’t make a lot of $$. He’d be a dumb f8Ck to not play for the meaningful 1st actual contract worth $$.
I need citations on his character being bad before I buy that.
He played like 80-90% of his snaps at nose. When they isolated his other snaps he was put on similar pressure rate as Q Williams.
Q Williams is the guy of the draft IMO but I am still fine with Oliver at 5.
Also I’d like you to address all of Devin White’s missed tackles at LSU. That sh1t concerns me. If we draft him I pray to god he doesn’t Kwon us more often than not. THe ability/talent is insane tho
April 4th, 2019 at 3:53 pm
Andrew
let her go…. best thing for bucs is a cancer93 exit not restructure… bucs have proven beyond and a shadow of a doubt including multiple regimes and defensive cordinators you can’t win with cancer93 on roster.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
Been beating this drum since day 1. Make Oliver the pick regardless of who is available and let him be the focal point of our D for the next decade.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:10 pm
Beast mode!!
April 4th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Also guy comes off as kind of an angry violent cocky type
If you really want to go the opposite direction of softie ice cream or whatever he seems to have that personality
April 4th, 2019 at 4:22 pm
Praying we get him. Go Bucs.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:25 pm
BucsFIRE—
I believe when one reads or listens to anything, be it history, politics or even sports, they should always consider the source. There’s a big difference between those that seek objectivity and those that only seek reflections from their own mindset.
That said, some that post here are incapable of postulating the rationale for that consideration.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
Isn’t Ed Oliver the guy who got into it with his coach because he didn’t want to play and the coach made him give up his jacket ? 🤔🤷🏼♂️
April 4th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
College stats
Aaron Donald 52 games 181 total tackles 66 TFL 29.5 sacks
Ed Oliver 32 games 192 total tackles 53 TFL 13.5 sacks
I like Ed Oliver’s chances to be a STAR.
Plus he was the ONLY player on that Houston defense. Regular double and triple teams
April 4th, 2019 at 4:43 pm
Bucs just signed DT Nick Thurman from U of Houston in 2017??? Was cut by the Texans in the final round of cuts in 2018 but played in 34 games and had career high numbers his senior year at U of H. Interesting…
April 4th, 2019 at 4:43 pm
And in other more important news we signed another DT. Thurman 6’4 293lbs. Sorry guys.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:44 pm
Yea see this Ed Oliver notion is a mere pipe dream.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
If Oliver isn’t there at 5 then one of the big three will be there…….we will definitely get a very good player at 5…..Williams, Bosa, Allen, Oliver, White, Sweat
I’m thinking that we could trade down just a bit and still get Oliver, White or Sweat.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
Why is this guy saying Oliver will drop. His stock sky-rocketed after his pro day. Easily go to the Bucs at #5 and this Houston native would be jumping for joy if so.
April 4th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
Honestly I would rather have Oliver than Josh Allen
April 4th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
NOSBOS
Thurman is for depth and played with Oliver at UH. Oliver was at OBP yesterday. Sounds far from a pipe dream.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
I’m on record as this is my pick at 5 if he’s there.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
Ndog
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April 4th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
lol @ Thurman meaning anything for our draft. Doubt that guy sticks on the roster.
Also IMO big 3-4 or trade down but not further than 15
My quick big board with where I kind of see a personal drop off for who I want:
1. Quennen Williams -DT/DE
2. Nick Bosa – DE/OLB
3. Josh Allen – DE/OLB
4. Ed Oliver – DT/DE
5. Montez Sweat – OLB/DE
6. Devin White – ILB
7. Jawaan Taylor – OT
8. Jonah Williams – OG/OT
9. Brian Burns – OLB/DE
10. Devin Bush – ILB
If we trade back I still want one of those #5-10 guys – ideally Sweat/White but getting a blue chip O-line like Taylor or Williams would be fine with me too knowing we traded back and can take 2 defensive players in R2.
Considering that at least 2 QBs, DK Metcalf, and TJ Hockenson are all projected as top 15 locks pretty much; we should be able to trade back within the top 15 and get one of those top 10 guys pretty much guaranteed.
Most likely we will see 3 QBs top 15 (Murray/Haskins/Lock if i had to guess).
Most likely Greedy or some CB / S is drafted top 15.
Most likely someone takes Rashan Gary top 15
Most likely someone takes 2-3 guys I am not predicting top 15
So we could probably drop to 11-15 and still land a guy in my top 7 based on other teams chasing positional needs / QBs. Franchise DL or ILB or O-line
April 4th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
JA,
Thx very much for the thoughts, and very eloquently put, as ALWAYS, from you. Thank you sir!
April 4th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
with the 5th pick TAMPA BAY selects…..Ed Oliver….manbeast…Houtson….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!
April 4th, 2019 at 5:42 pm
Need a speed edge rusher not another DT. He isnt that. No way Lichts dumb enough to spend 2 top 12 picks in consecutive years on DTs when he needs an edge rusher in the worst way. Get the qb down or sit at home during the playoffs again. Praying Allen falls but Sweat is not far off.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:56 pm
Exactly SOEbuc more specifically Vea backup. Now we draft a DT/nose tackle in 2018,change the scheme to suit him,invest in DT dept to keep him fresh. And then turn around and we’re suppose to draft another DT 5th overall. Riiiggghhttt. That’s a klueless koetter move,BA don’t get down like that trust me.
April 4th, 2019 at 5:59 pm
Mind you that is not the only DT we’ve signed this summer. I’ll have to go back and check but I saw on the Bucs app we just re-signed a DT a week and half ago. Seems like quite a bit for a team aiming to go that route 5th overall. But hey think what you will.
April 4th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
I don’t understand why you guys think Oliver would play the same position as Vea. They are completely different types of players and builds.
He would play 3-4 DE next to Vea at NT
In Nickle he would play 3-4 DE still or 4-3 3 technique next to Vea who would play NT still; or he could even kick out as a 4-3 end or 3-4 OLB at times because he’s that athletic/versatile
April 4th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
@FIRE—
Danke schön, Merci, Grazie &Thanks
As a mutt, gotta cover all the bases …
April 4th, 2019 at 7:39 pm
Thank you, Lord C. Love your Big Board and your trade back ideas. I agree completely.
Ed Oliver would be a good fit in the 3-4 or 4-3.
April 4th, 2019 at 8:13 pm
Easy pick at 5.White is good but they can get a lb in another round. This dude is a freak and will change games
April 4th, 2019 at 9:43 pm
I love this pick at 5!