Defense Pearl Harbored Jameis

February 12th, 2019

Bucco Bruce Arians defends.

Joe’s worn out two keyboards typing the following but the haters just won’t square this with themselves.

Two years ago, the gutless Bucs defense killed both the Bucs and America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston. Four times Jameis gave the Bucs a lead in the fourth quarter only to stand helplessly on the sidelines and watch the defense puke all over the field and hack up leads.

It likely would have been five leads blown that season by the defense but Jameis got wise and threw the winning touchdown in the final game of the season. It came against NFC South champion New Orleans with nine seconds left in the game. So the defense didn’t have enough time to hand over the game like a drug dealer in the dark of the night.

In quotes brought to us by Kevin Patra of, new Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians fingered the Bucs defense for a lot of Jameis’ ills and, in what will be music to some Bucs fans’ ears, Arians also stated a miserable run game wasn’t helpful either.

“The other thing is they’re down (expletive) 21 points,” Arians said after watching the Bucs games over the past four seasons. “Anybody down 21 is going to throw a pick or two and he’s down 21 a bunch. You’re going to throw picks. Tipped balls. Bad balls. Hit throwing. Being Superman. You think you can make everything.

“Give him a running game. Give him a defense and see how good he can be. I think we can limit (turnovers). Never get rid of them. There’s nobody that ever does it. But you can limit turnovers.”

Joe always pointed to the 2017 season when Jameis gave the Bucs four leads in the fourth quarter (which were thrown away by the defense) as evidence Jameis is a much-maligned signal-caller when folks only pointed to his win-loss record. Look, a quarterback giving a team a lead in the fourth quarter, isn’t that what you want from your quarterback, to come through in the clutch when the game is on the line?

Apparently, with some people conditioned to the likes of Mike Glennon and Stewart McClown, the answer is “no.”

In Patra’s piece, he also has quotes from Arians lauding new quarterback coach Clyde Christianson for his attention to detail with mechanics and footwork, which Arians seems to think Jameis needs work on.

Joe has typed the following before. While Joe got along just fine with former quarterbacks coach Mike Bajakian, please name a quarterback other than Dan LeFevour he helped develop before coming to the Bucs? Justin Worley? Joshua Dobbs? Nathan Peterman???

57 Responses to “Defense Pearl Harbored Jameis”

  1. JA Says:

    “Pearl Harbored?”
    Did it happen on December 7th? Were the Japanese involved? Is it in reference to a surprise attack?
    Don’t think it’s a surprise attack as we all knew what the outcome would be with the defense.
    Gonna need help with this metaphor… For it’s meaning has flew over my head.

  2. stpetebucsfan Says:

    These are all valid points. We lost four in a row at the end of 17 in overtime or by three points.

    The games however were relatively low scoring especially the final three before that N.O. upset. Yes the defense had choked away some games but do not forget our horrid…and I mean horrible kicking woes. Our place kicking was just as responsible as our defense for CHOKING away games.

    But it is a team sport and JW had his share of untimely turnovers and crazy plays. I’m glad Arians wants Clyde to work on some basic fundamentals.

    This is all in the past and the final six games of the season chilled my criticism of JW. He totally turned it around when it came to protecting the ball. I believe that can only get better in 2019 if he doesn’t go nuckin futs again. Throwing some balls into the seats instead of forcing it into double or triple coverage was a thing of beauty.

    This is why that Lombardi thread was just wrong. This team does have talent including at QB. If Bowles can just improve the defense a bit we have a genuine shot at the playoffs. That 2017 season could have easily been a ten win season if the D was better…JW stopped with the fumbles and ints…but most of all if we could find a kicker!!!

    We lose all the close games because we have place kickers who can’t make FG’s and even choke on extra points. Blow extra points early and the score changes strategy.

    So can anybody cheer me up and convince me we’ve solved our kicking woes? I believe in JW…I believe in Bowles…do we really believe Cairo Santos is the answer? How many 3 point games will we lose in ’19?

  3. What in the buc! Says:

    Mike smith led the charge…….

  4. Buc believer Says:

    I think what Joe means is the defenses TORPEDOED Jamesis. Not putting words in Joes mouth but he may be still upset about Kareem Hunt.

  5. Destinjohnny Says:

    So jameis is going to become Aaron Rodgers?
    Can’t wait……

  6. Defense Rules Says:

    Hmmm, so much right with this article … and so much wrong at the same time. On the ‘right side’, Bucs’ defense sucked last year. Gave up a whopping 464 points … #31 in the NFL. And what makes it even worse is that we sucked across-the-board … we weren’t good at anything on the defensive side of the ball. That’s gross IMO because that most likely means we have very few ‘strengths’ to build around. And the running game certainly sucked too. When you only run for a tad over 1500 yards & only score 11 TDs rushing in an entire season, your running game sucks.

    BA’s right on both counts, defense & running game. Coaching was a huge part of that no doubt. BUT what about the ‘quality of play’ of the players themselves … INCLUDING Jameis & Fitz as our QBs? Bucs had a whopping 35 TURNOVERS last year … worst in the NFL. Newsflash: Those came from the OFFENSE, not the defense. But guess who paid the price for them on the stat-sheet. Yup, the DEFENSE. And more than likely the defense paid the price psychologically too with the old “Damn, here we go again” thoughts taking hold. Turnovers were a big part of why we fell behind early in games as I remember, PLUS the offense starting off slowly in most games (too many 3-and-outs?).

    Thought BA’s comment that “Anybody down 21 is going to throw a pick or two and he’s down 21 a bunch” was humorous in a way because BOTH our QBs themselves were a large part of WHY we were down early in games (because of THEIR turnovers and failure to get the offense scoring EARLY in games). Also thought your comment about Jameis’ mechanics was humorous. Remember back to 2015 when Jameis was touted as being NFL-ready? Now here we are FOUR YEARS LATER giving him yet another EXCUSE because ‘his mechanics are flawed’? Just wish that folks would stop with the excuses for Jameis … and other players (like RoJo?). For the millions they get paid for supposedly being at the pinnacle of their chosen profession, they need to put on their big-boy pants and git-er-done. NO EXCUSES.

  7. maccam Says:

    Guess it means “were in a position of strength, and can see everything coming – just defend it!” It would be interesting to see how the teem works as a whole with all phases firing at an at least an average level.

  8. Ndog Says:

    This is what anyone with a brain has been saying for the past 4 years. It is so clear yet hate and predetermined notions put in people’s head by ESPN carry the day cause we are a weak minded society.

  9. Bird Says:

    No question the defense was a huge part of problem. Mike smith was absolutely terrible. And stayed on at least a year to long. Stealing Glazer loot.

    But “defense rules “ is right. The offense didn’t do the defense any favors. They were on the field constantly cause the offense “chose to suck “ a lot of the time. League leader in turnovers. Anyone have stats on when turnovers came last few years ? 1st , 2nd , 3rd , 4th quarter ?

    Cause Arians is trying to take pressure off guys by saying they just happened late cause down 21?

    Joe – did josh McCown ever do anything to you?
    He is given the nickname McClown cause he played bad ? He wasn’t good but is that really necessary when he has been class guy on and off the field.
    Yet Jameis is still America’s quarterback when he clearly has played bad as well and can you really say class guy on and off the field for him (jameis)

    I really hope you respond cause I am curious.
    Who is the hater ?
    Hypocrisy at its finest once again

  10. Loyaltotheend Says:

    Excuse #1 for a QB who was drafted #1 overall who was hyped up to be “pro ready” a “winner” and the funniest pre draft hype was “he throws guys open”

    If you are a franchise qb you gotta be able to carry your team to wins, not every week but occasionally

    Jameis doesn’t do that unless the team plays great

  11. Loyaltotheend Says:

    If you honestly think Jameis is a franchise QB ask yourself if he can carry an offense and win in a shootout with the other QBs in the division or does he need a good defense and a strong running game to be good?

    If the answer is the later he’s not a franchise qb he’s just a qb that needs all the pieces to be right to be successful

    Never thought we’d have this many questions still about Jameis going into year 5

  12. Ndog Says:

    So Loyal when you say “carry your team’s do you mean block in the running game, make FGs and EPs and play defense? Due have you even watched us play? Bro you are chalked up as yet another clueless rube.

  13. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    “Give him a Defense and a running game and see how good he can be.”

    Gee that sounds awfully familiar. It’s almost exactly what I’ve been saying for the better part of 4 years now. Minus the fact that I’ve also been calling for a better Oline as well.

  14. German Buc Says:

    Loyal, just the same with this Rodgers bum from the frozen Tundra, isn’t it? He wasn’t able to win games last year without a D and a run game. Or a guy the call Matty something. (Surprisingly) no run game, no D last year and he was losing. Just another bum, or?
    *sarcasm off

  15. Loyaltotheend Says:


    When have we seen Jameis win a shootout? If your d let’s you down you ball out and pick them up as a franchise qb. If you have no run game get the ball out quick and sustain drives and protect the ball. He has too many weapons to lose this much.

    Jameis’s longest winning streak was because of the defense not because of his play. Does the team need to play better? Hell yes! But with the turnovers and bad decisions he’s not helping the team as we all hoped

  16. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Have I not been saying this for a couple of years now?

    And if you are down 21 points, it’s quite obvious that the defense is giving up touchdowns……the’re not coming from turnovers…..maybe a couple of shorter fields…..

    This is a far more difficult problem to fix than simply blaming the QB… have to improve the RB….the Oline & the entire Defense……that requires a great deal of work.

  17. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Joe…”Winston is GREAT, and if he had the 1985 Bears defense, he’d win games!!”

  18. 1Gr8Buc Says:


    If you watched and have a clue about football you would understand that Dirks offense did not typically provide a quick read to get the ball out fast. Quit talking out of your ass and get a clue.

  19. Buc1987 Says:

    Loyaltotheend…no as of right now they won’t keep up with the Saints….

    The rest of the division can be beat with Jameis though imo.

    By the numbers…I’m not a stats guy…I hate em.

    Total Defense Ranking:

    New Orleans 14th
    Atlanta 28th
    Carolina 15th
    Tampa 27th

    Total Rushing Ranking :
    New Orleans 6th
    Carolina 4th
    Atlanta 27th
    Tampa 29th

    Having Drew Brees and the 6th ranked rushing attack is pretty sick.

  20. Tackleblockwin Says:

    No doubt we need improvement on D and in the running game. Let’s not forget about K. Remember the good ole days when our kicker stepped onto the field for a 40 yarder and we were confident he’d make it. Now days we are nervous about making extra points. I love BA’s confidence in turning this ship around. It’s going to take a lot of work though.

  21. Buc1987 Says:

    I have a question for the haters….

    Why with all Winston’s off the field and on the field BS do they not give up on the kid? Draft status? Why is he still here?

    Let the answers flow…should be interesting.

  22. Bucnjim Says:

    Defense rules that was an excellent post! I takes an entire team playing badly to be down almost every game. Slow starts and early turnovers surely played a part and to just blame the D is kind of ridiculous. I think our first quarter scoring was at the bottom of the entire league. I’m all for Jameis but to say none of this was his fault is a flawed way of thinking.

  23. Loyaltotheend Says:


    1 year of missing the playoffs as a full time starter and he’s a bum? Bad uneducated take

    Try again

  24. 1Gr8Buc Says:


    If you are not constantly and consistently being coached up on mechanics you end up picking uo bad habits/mechanics, if they are not corrected they will spiral out of control. This goes for any position in football.

    Players are gifted athletically but mechanics are not a natural born talent, they are constantly worked on.

    Like Joe said bajakian had 0 experience developing anything worth a damn and you can kind of tell with his demeanor on the sideline during games and practice. How the guy flew under the radar for so long without widespread criticism is beyond me.

  25. Loyaltotheend Says:


    I’m in section 312 every game

    Lot of underneath routes are available Jameis just ignores them trying to hit the big play Your right to an extent the quick throws aren’t always there but when they are Jameis doesn’t hit them

    The film doesn’t lie

  26. down in the dirt Doug Says:

    Hope BA is not getting sick after watching films from the Koeter era.Hope we get with it releasing players so we can be bold in free agency.I used to read the newspaper mornings—-thanks to your hard work churning out articles Joe, JBF is now my morning mind refresh.

  27. Bucnjim Says:

    Loyal we spent 15 years in 312 row U good to see fans from my old stomping ground.

  28. Loose Stool Says:

    this is the new NFL, if it is a one score game the team with the ball last will win. Just keep heaving the ball down the field, you have a 50/50 chance of getting a pass interference call to get in field goal range.

  29. Loyaltotheend Says:


    We are in row N since 2010

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    @1Gr8Buc … “How the guy (Bajakian) flew under the radar for so long without widespread criticism is beyond me.” It amazed me from the day he was hired. But just found this online that helps explain it (he was hired Jan 2015 very shortly after Koetter was brought on) …

    “Bajakian has some history with Lovie Smith, having been the Chicago Bears’ offensive quality control and wide receivers coach from 2004 through 2006. Since then, he’s spent time in college coaching quarterbacks for central Michigan, Cincinnati and Tennessee. Outside of his one stint with the Bears, he has no NFL experience. Curiously, he has not worked with offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter prior to this season.”

    Aah yes, Lovie Smith … the gift that kept on giving.

  31. Buccernutter Says:

    LMAO at everyone saying they told everyone and have been saying this all along.

    No s***!!!!!!

    Most of are fans aren’t very intelligent so if you think you know more than most, you probably do cuz it doesn’t take much. This was common sense. We probably just have too many idiots spouting how bad Jameis is everyday it’s got people with common sense football IQ thinking they’re on to something.

    Get him an average defense and run game and the playoffs are coming!

    All hail King Jameis!!

  32. Buccernutter Says:

    Our***. I have no idea why my phone autocorrected our to are.

  33. Pittsshore Says:

    How about this: Bucs suck because of JW. You cannot throw 58 interceptions in 56 games and fumble the ball away another 19 times and expect to win. HE ALONE put the Bucs D in a bad spot. Now off with his head.

  34. Pittsshore Says:

    Quote from Arians mouth:

    I’ve studied a bunch of them,” Arians told Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times. “Clyde has watched every throw he’s made since his rookie year and Byron, too. And it’s like you’re trying to look safeties off too long and your feet are crossed. So much of it is mechanical.”

  35. 813bucboi Says:


    you blaming lovie for dirk’s screw up’s?….lol….

    wasnt dirk promoted because of his work with winston?….as HC, doesnt dirk have control of his staff?….

    how about blame the former HC that let his buddy run the defense into the ground and for not having his coaches develop players like winston, spence and others….you got it backwards…..

    dirk is the gift that keeps on giving…..

    he couldve stepped up and held his coaches accountable but nawl, that’ll be too much like taking responsibility…….it was dirk who let MB stay on the staff….obviously dirk thought MB was doing something right along with smitty….

    so blame dirk for keeping MB, GW along with smitty for far too long not lovie….lol…


  36. Not there yet Says:

    Loyaltotheend = Winston hater disguised as a fake arse buc fan

    What team with the worse defense in the nfl and inconsistent kicker has a winning record and how is being a number 1 overall pick supposed to trump that? You kinda sound moronic. Agreed he has not lived up to the hype but you don’t have NFL credentials and I think BA knows a little bit more than you.

    It’s about time for the haters to become irrelevant, he’s wrote a book on fixing quarterbacks and if this is what he sees I’m just not sure how any buc fan can argue with his assessment BEFORE the season.

  37. D-Rome Says:

    Yeah, because the defense is to blame for all the fumbles and INTs.

  38. Buc1987 Says:

    Why with all Winston’s off the field and on the field BS do they not give up on the kid?

  39. Loyaltotheend Says:

    @ not there yet

    Hater? Is it hate if the criticism is valid? Huge supporter of drafting Jameis just tired of the excuses people make for him.

    Fake fan? Come by section 312 at any game and let’s have a beer and see how fake I am. I’m here win or lose. Too bad with all the turnovers and bad decisions from Jameis it’s more eating L’s than W’s

    As for BA how’s he gonna Fix Jameis by not calling plays? He helped other QBs by coaching them not delegating to others.

  40. ChipBuc Says:

    Loyaltotheend just because you say your criticism is valid doesn’t make it true. Woop de Doo, you go to the games, that doesn’t make you a expert. I was a season ticket holder for 25 years does that make me a expert? Do you know how Arians is going to fix Jameis? He’s going to give him a running game, he’s going to give him a defense, he’s going to give him a oline,he’s going to give him a field goal kicker. Simply put he’s gong to give Jameis a complete team for the first time in his career. Let’s see how things play out before all the hating starts. Just saying.

  41. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Somewhere on south beach sits three men under a cabana sipping adult beverages and enjoying the day. Mike Smith, Chris Baker and JR Sweezy.

    MS: “Guys it doesn’t get any better than this, soaking up life with this extra
    Sweet Glazer loot”

    CB: “You got that right Coach”

    JS: “Makes me wish I had stayed another year, Seattle weather is terrible”

    CB: “Hey Coach, is Dirk going to be alright in ATL without you”

    MS: “Oh yes, Dirk is an OC for life, we knew being the HC was over his head.
    But then the smell of that Glazer loot overcame our senses”

    JS: ” Yeah, Quinn will devote himself to the Defense while Dirk runs the
    offense. Look out New Orleans.

    CB: “Excuse me guys but that palm tree is calling my name”

    JS: “Oh No, Swaggy is getting that tree Coach”

    MS: “Its okay JR, I told him the tree’s name is Glazer”

  42. JimmyJack Says:

    The defense has been horrid but let’s not pretend like the offense has been all that good.

    You wanna talk about blown leads a year ago……we’ll go look at how many points we had at halftime all year… was 0,3,0,6,3,3,0,3,3,6……..The offense was f***ing pathetic.

    Loyal brings up the great point about shootouts. This team was built to win a few shootout games here and there…….Instead they did didly squat and we’re publically embarassed in a blowout. Any fool can look at a box score and tell a different story about our trip to the desert last year but anybody who watched that game knows we got our asses kicked on both sides of the ball. Our offense was a absolute disgrace in that game and many many more like it.

    And the fourth quarter leads narritive is a complete joke. Anytime this team has the ball in their hands with a final drive the freaking crumble. Don’t even try bringing that up. Won’t work with anybody who saw us run out of time 2 years ago against the Rams……or that saw us run out of time against the falcons last year ….or see us go 3 & out on the last possession at home on MNF this year……..This offense has not gotten the job done with the last postsason. There are plenty more examples. Get outta here with that junk

  43. SOEbuc Says:

    After 4 years, the offensive genius Koetter finally let Jameis with 6 games left start to use his running game that helped him win a heisman and national championship as a true freshman. He played great those last six games and I believe he’s going to finally make his turn. He threw three picks in the last 6 games, one being a bomb to the end zone with seconds remaining in the game. True Bucs fans keep the faith. Especially with a 2x COTY QB guru coming in as HC.

  44. Loyaltotheend Says:


    I validate my criticism of Jameis when I hear paid analyst and former Pros share the opinion. I’m not some drunk fan sitting and yelling just to yell I watch the All 22 I have friends and former classmates who coach at the collegiate level who watch the games with me who share the same criticisms.

    I’m hopeful Arians turns it around but every off season we hope it changes and it never does. I’m at the point of believing it when I see it

  45. SOEbuc Says:

    And another one of those picks was a direct pass to Mike Evans that went straight through his hands and should of been a guaranteed catch by ME13.

  46. oar Says:

    Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

  47. Bucsfanman Says:

    1987- I’ll dare to answer! Because in moments, he makes your heart stop with the stuff he does. Because between the bad moments, he gives us moments of pure joy. Because, at the end of the day, he’s better than 10-15 other STARTING QBs and some days better than 20. Also because the Bucs have an investment.
    The answer to the magic riddle is NOT JUST to have an average defense, kicker, and a run-game, it’s to have fewer turnovers, an average defense, kicker, and a run-game. The turnovers cannot be overlooked or excused. It’s a symbiotic relationship. One begets the other.
    Down 21 in the first half? Why? All the defense? All the QB, All the kicker?

  48. JimmyJack Says:

    If your down 21-0 or 24-3 at halftime that’s not just one side of the ball.

    Blaming just the defense might make sense if it’s 42-21 at the half but that never happened.

  49. Dapostman Says:

    The last game of the 2018 season vs Atlanta is the perfect microcosm of Winston’s tenure in Tampa.

    Winston opens up a 17-0 lead with about 45 seconds left in the first half. The Falcons score a TD in no time. Score 17-7. The Falcons then proceed to score first in the 2nd half. Score 17-14 Tampa. After a Buc FG the Falcons score the next 17 points and in a little over 20 minutes of football the Falcons now have a 31-20 lead. Winston rallies the Bucs to a 32-31 lead, should have been 34-31 but Koetter eschews the PAT’s for 2pt conversions. Both fail. The Falcons then proceed to march down the field where Matt Bryant kicks the game winner with no time left.

    Final score 34-32 Falcons.

    Idiot Buc fans blame Winston.


  50. dalvincookrules Says:

    Winston has done more to help the Bucs win games than Mariota has to help his team win games. True, that Mariota also doesn’t help lose games as much as Winston has. However, the key difference between the success of these QBs lies in their defenses and the coaching staffs, not the QBs themselves.

    When I say coaching staffs, I should also include the GM. The Bucs have been abysmal at the draft ever since they lost that guy (Jon Robinson?) who is now GM of the Titans. Look at how the Titans talent level has surged while ours has progressively eroded since that time.

    There was also a huge disconnect between the defensive scheme and the talent–guys like Mike Smith failed to design the system based on the personnel, instead opting to make square pegs try to fit into round holes, which ended up in disaster.

    The Patriots just won a SB in spite of their supposedly GOAT QB, not because of him. Is defense important? Uh yeah, maybe just a tad.To say the defense “pearl harbored” Winston is actually an understatement. The problem goes deeper than defense, however, it starts with a subpar HC and an even worse GM.

  51. ChipBuc Says:

    Loyaltotheend you still fail to see what my point was. To win games you have to have a complete team. A defense giving up late leads (last game of season perfect example of that) is not a complete team. A running game that no one fears ( play action is non existent) is not a complete team. A Oline giving up way to many pressures during the game, and terrible run blocking ,is not a complete team. A inconsistent kicking game is not a complete team. So to truly judge Winston, lets give him some games where he doesn’t feel like he has to win every game by himself. By the way, most of these so called experts who comment on Winston probably never watched enough of his games, to give us a truly informed opinion. Just my opinion.

  52. Loyaltotheend Says:


    False, the nfl is setup to where there are no complete teams. With a 20-25 million cap hit for Jameis for this year and beyond it’s gonna get harder to have a complete team especially with Licht overpaying players to cover his draft mistakes

    NFL is about specialized units and complimentary football. If you have a dominant D you need to have an offense that limits turnovers and can keep that dominant unit well rested

    If the offense is great you need a d that can take it away and give it back to the offense.

    With a qb who turns it over like Jameis he’s not helping his weaker unit by giving the opponent extra possessions and better field position. So if we need a perfect complete team to make Jameis look good we are going to be waiting awhile

  53. Defense Rules Says:

    @oar … “Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!”

    Say WHAT??? It’s official … our schools have gone down the tubes.

  54. tickrdr Says:

    @oar and defense rules:
    I, for one, loved the “Animal House/John Belushi” reference.

    Thanks for the laugh!


  55. ChipBuc Says:

    Loyaltotheend I guess you know more than Arians who said that it’s hard to win when your QB is down 21 to nothing, he is going to throw picks. Your premise that it’s all Winston’s fault that they are down 21 to nothing in the first place is just plain false. You crack me up ,we don’t have a dominate defense. So playing a mistake free take no chances offense is not going to work when your down 21 to nothing. So if your asking Winston to throw 40 to 50 times a game turn overs are going to happen. So if Winston can turn around and hand off to a good running game and doesn’t have to play catch up all the time the turn overs will disappear. Football is not rocket science, good defense, good special teams, good offensive line play, good coaching(been absent for the Bucs since Gruden) , good QB play, good running game. I didn’t say we need a perfect team to make Winston look good. I said that having almost none of the things I listed, is a QB toxic environment. I just think we will agree to disagree.

  56. BucEmUp Says:

    This is my favorite article in a while. Really glad Arians said that….its about time someone runs this team that can really see what the problem was.

  57. Old School Athlete Says:

    Joe, you’re right about the criticism of Jameis being unwarranted. For “fans” to blame Winston for half or even a quarter of the Bucs woes is laughable. It shows that they didn’t actually watch any games-especially the last 5, or are just completely consumed with hate.
    The man gets no time to throw, was shoe-horned into a scheme that didn’t fit him, and was usually trying to make miracles happen because his team was down by multiple scores. Add to that a coach who didn’t want him and what did you think would happen?
    I love the comments from BA. Couldn’t agree more.