“Garbage Time”

November 5th, 2018

Bad stats?

Joe remembers not that long ago — you know, two weeks — how the haters who wanted America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, run out of town used to wail about his “garbage time” stats.

Well, good guy Mike Tanier of Bleacher Report writes that Bucs journeyman backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick has built a career on garbage time stats and will likely find another sucker team to throw cash at him come free agency season next spring.

Fitzpatrick threw an early interception and failed to move the offense for most of the first half as the Panthers mounted a 35-7 lead. He then got just hot enough to keep things interesting and make his stat line look better for the next round of free agency.

Fitzpatrick has now thrown twice as many touchdowns while his team is trailing (106) than leading (52) for his career. Comedians used to ask why whole airplanes aren’t built out of the materials used for the black box. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the quarterback whose entire career is built out of garbage-time production.

Joe never understood the concept of “garbage-time” stats. Someone kindly explain to Joe when it is OK for a team to lay down and wave the white flag? So if a team is trailing they should just roll over? Why?

But, yeah, Joe finds it interesting that a certain very vocal crowd goes full-blown ostrich for Fitz. Meanwhile, he’s doing the very same thing the folks who hollered for the Bucs to run off Jameis accused the Heisman Trophy winner of doing.

111 Responses to ““Garbage Time””

  1. WalkdaPlank Says:

    There is such a thing as garbage time stats and every QB has them.

    But Fitz had 3 TD’s by the 3rd quarter that’s not garbage time.

  2. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    This is very sad…..sad that Jameis’ behavior wasn’t overcome by his on-field excellence…..to the contrary…..Jameis actually regressed……

    Now I am in the camp that we should give Jameis a full opportunity to prove himself (again)…….that should come if Fitz loses to Washington….no matter what the situation.

    If Koetter keeps Jameis on the bench…..It will likely be because the Glazers have already made their decision on him…..and that doesn’t bode well for Koetter either.

    Very, very sad.

  3. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    I was saying the exact same thing to a couple fellow fans yesterday. If Winston played the exact same game yesterday these fans would be blaming him and bashing his stats as garbage time. Instead they’re showing Fitz “breaking records” for his third game with 4TDs. Fitz was hot garbage yesterday. We have the best group of WRs and TE in the entire league. Major inconsistencies at QB and OL have killed us. And then there’s that defense. But Fitz is not the answer. He was clearly hurting yesterday and struggling to even finish the game. My god this team is a mess.

  4. ben Says:

    what is Fitz record in the red zone compared to Winston?? Fitz Has scored lots more td’s (not even close) but Joe keeps on making excuses for his man crush.

  5. Anonymous Says:

    No hope; only pain.

  6. ChanEpic Says:

    BigPoppaBuc Im with you but Mike Evans had kind of a crap game (for him) yesterday too. But, umm yeah Fitz < Winston.

  7. AlteredEgo Says:

    Whatever you call it…human nature the Panthers were coasting on their lead starting the second half….playing soft and keeping it all in front of them….so yeah much of it was “garbage time”…STATS

  8. our Defense sucks Says:

    Because Fitz is 34 and we understand he is a patch- We cant have Ding dong Jamies getting into trouble and then putting those stats up and soon to be costing us 20+ million a year. TRADE JAMIES FOR DEFENSE, plain and simple- QB isn’t our problem. ITS THE DEFENSE JOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also give Fitz respect or we would be looking like the raiders right now

  9. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Another winston blind loyalist, its time to move on from the winston – licht ERROR and era

  10. zzbuc Says:

    An Jameis interecptions and fumbles are for real Mr Joe…..There are not fake news…….Everybody knows Fitz is not our future, so that’s not an issue, the big question here is if JW is our future…….and if you take stats, they show he turns the ball over, something an NFL QB CAN’T do. And I am not even talking about his behaviour off the field. everybody is pissed with our coach……..He is playing with a mediocre squad….we have big talent on WR and TE…..you have JPP on the defensive line…medicore offensive line, no running game whatsoever….no secondary at all…….. NO QB!!!!!!!!!And we play on the toughest division on the game…….I think the coach is not the problem…….or at least there are biggest problems. GM made a big mess with this team…….. with this squad we need a magician not a coach!!!!

  11. Tampa Bay Tailgater Says:

    When garbage time occurs in the 2nd quarter what’s a guy supposed to do? Remember it was 14-7 at one point. None of his interceptions impacted the game, unfortunately none of his TDs did either. It’s easy to single out one person but the difference is Fitz isn’t losing games like that other QB.

  12. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Funny that Joe threw the “Heisman Trophy winner” in there.

    As if that means anything

  13. unbelievable Says:

    Lol Joe I called these people out at the beginning of the season.

    If we’re down by 10 points while Jameis is playing and he scores, they call it garbage time. But Fitz can be down by 24 and when he scores it means he almost brought us back. Lol.

    Ah this team is just so dysfunctional. Our QBs actually play pretty similar overall, and that’s hardly the weakest position on the team, yet we don’t even have a solidified starter there.

    And I don’t really care who it is, I just want to win. But when your defense requires putting up 40 points every week, that’s not a recipe for success. See the Saints from 2013 – 2016.

  14. MHBuc Says:

    Is it possible that Jaboo will be the first #1 QB pick in history to survive getting two coaches fired? That will be a landmark achievement. But Jaboo has one thing on his side, the owners have no clue and are dumb enough to pay him 21 million to set them back 15 years.

  15. Tampamac Says:

    Big difference is Fitz’s play wasn’t the main reason they were down big in the first half. Yes, he had one pick, but the O line was a sieve yesterday, and the Hillsborough High School defense (shout out to coach Garcia, Hillsborough county’s all time winningest coach) would have slowed Carolina down more than ours. Also as said above, Fitz made it a game in the 3rd. But to play devil’s advocate, garbage time stats to me are defined when the defense backs off into cover 3 and 4 and lets you move the ball between the 20’s due to having a big lead which Carolina did. But again, Fitz’s QB play wasn’t the reason we were down big as opposed to a 4 pick game by Jameis. And this is coming from someone who defended Winston until I couldn’t. At some point you realize he is who he is after 4 seasons. Saw this before with a player who shall not be named who did a magazine spread with a baby tiger..

  16. Eric Says:

    Its not that the team should roll over, its that the team with the big lead sits on it and plays prevent.

    Thus, the stats are skewed. Just like our second half defensive stats are better because they are running the ball and playing it safe to win.

    Nobody cares if you score 28 if they score 42.

  17. DB55 Says:

    and will likely find another sucker team to throw cash at him
    Perfectly summed up.

    All you people did was weaken an organization. For what? For two washed up has-beens never-was. Between Fitz and Djax you have exactly 0 playoff wins.

    Suckers the whole lot, but their moral spirit feels a lot better this morning than Monday’s past. Bc they lost behind a great human being with a wonderful fam and a blessed heart. Lol. Smh

    35-14 at the half.

    The only stat that matters is wins

    All garbage time stats

    Just can’t throw interceptions- just can’t win like that

    Man he just can’t connect with djax. Fitz and djax connected for 32 yards against a rookie!!!!

    Blah what’s the point? If I’ve learned nothing else in the last 3-4 years is that the yahoos create the narrative and lead the org in the worst direction possible all while calling people trolls and idiots.

    Jbf I wish I could quit you, I know you wish I’d quit you. Lolololol

  18. Bucnjim Says:

    Apples to Oranges isn’t it? First round pick First overall to a guy drafted in the last round as a backup QB. Seems Fitz has had an up and down career which you would expect from a 7th round QB. Quite a fantastic career if you look at it and how he’s be one of the best Backup QB’s now in history. No one is hanging their hats on him to take us out of this mess but giving Winston 100 Million might not make sense either.

  19. LakeLand Says:

    FitzTragic is no better than Jameis Winston

    Pittsburgh. 24-7
    Chicago. 38-3
    Carolina. 35-7

    Some of these people only see, what they want to see

    If Fitz was so “Great”
    The Bucs wouldn’t be down by 3-4 scores in those game

    He’s a 36 year old ” Journeyman” QB
    Who has NEVER played i a playoff game

  20. Ed Says:

    I’m still not sure why so much attention is being paid to the QB position. Until the Bucs open some holes, create a pocket for QB to step up in, protect their passer, make tackles on running backs in stead of half assed effort, put opponents on their asses, hit harder, play harder, be more prepared, it really doesn’t matter if you had Bart Starr or Johnny Unitas on this team.

    They really play really putrid defense, they cannot run the ball and they are outcoached every week.

    Its amazing Joe is writing all these articles about the quarterback. Joe was on to something with Mike Smith and some other coaches but he is missing the big picture, a team that gets off the plane and doesn’t roll up their sleeves and fight to be competitive.

    No fight in these guys, that’s the story, let call out some guys yesterday that stunk: Lavonte David, Gerald McCoy, Brent Grimes, whoever else plays linebacker, Mike Evans, Ali Marpet, Ryan Jensen, Vinny Curry, Will Gholston, Desean Jackson, just to name a few. Besides Jackson, those are your beasts, your intimidators. But they are the ones getting punched in the face and they don’t fight back. Its downright lazy and certainly a completely unmotivated veteran team.

    I give the younger guys a pass but these vets, shame on them and that includes coaches such as Koetter that can’t prepare a team for an important game after Sept.

  21. LakeLand Says:

    **Never played in a playoff game**

  22. ATrain Says:

    Joe you compare the bench player with the 1st round America’s QB

    Jamies should be better than Fitz

    A lot better

    Jamies didn’t deserve to be benched ??hahah

    You are the only one in media who thinks that

    Fitz put up 28 points name one other Backup who puts up those numbers

    Heck some of the starters in the NFL cant

  23. AlteredEgo Says:

    The difference between judging Fitz and Jameis is…
    Fitz is a back up QB doing just what he is supposed to do…
    Jameis is supposed to be the long term franchise QB…
    different grading system for each…

  24. Eric Says:

    Everybody focuses on the QB, but when you have the worst defense in the league and no running game its really hard to win.

    Our QB’s have to play record setting hall of fame games to win, like FItz did the first two.

    But nobody can keep that up.

  25. ATrain Says:

    Play Jamies

    That way he gets the rest of the season to prove himself



    He is a first pick HE should be elite

  26. FowlBall Says:

    Why are we arguing over which QB has the greatest value to the Bucs? The team blows, and you guys are re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic!

  27. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We are giving up 40 points and we are talking about our QBs?……what a diversion…..what a joke….

    Our QBs are not the problem, folks…..

  28. Hawk Says:

    Lakeland said.
    “FitzTragic is no better than Jameis Winston”
    That, to me, is the saddest indictment of all for the fourth year of a ‘first-pick-of-the-draft’ QB.

  29. 813bucboi Says:

    my wife says me watching the bucs on sundays equals “garbage time”….


  30. LakeLand Says:

    The QB and the offense contribute to the “worst” defense in the NFL

    Too many 3 and outs
    21 turnovers

  31. pelbuc Says:

    Mike Evans had a key drop on the first play from scrimmage and another drop. Same thing happened in the Bears game but I guess it’s Fitz’s fault. DJack could’ve fought for possession on the long pass as well. Oh and let’s not forget the matador Oline that gave Fitz plenty of time to hit an open receiver. Bad effort all around every week. Lots of players need to be dumped.

  32. LakeLand Says:

    How can 21 offensive turnovers NOT contribute to a bad defense?

  33. AlteredEgo Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    November 5th, 2018 at 12:34 pm
    my wife says me watching the bucs on sundays equals “garbage time”…

    can’t even use watching the Bucs on TV as a good excuse for putting off the “honey do list”….

  34. LakeLand Says:


    It is what it is

    Welcome to the “Cesspool of Tampa

    The Tampa Bay Yucs!!

  35. M Connor Says:

    Those who want Jameis gone always wanted him gone. If they want to draft a QB, that would make sense because at some point you have to say this isn’t gonna get you to the playoffs, but if they do this now, they are clearly driven by something other than a desire to win football games.

  36. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Both of Fitz’s INT’s were on him

    The Djax could’ve been avoided if he actually fought for the ball, but Fitz underthrew it and should’ve known better than to throw a 50-50 ball to Jackson who is never going to fight for it.

  37. D-Rome Says:

    Perhaps some people were Jay-Miss haters. The majority of Bucs fans that seemingly “turned” on Jay-Miss are over the turn overs and are sick and tired of the really bad ones. It’s one thing if a QB throws a pick because of a break down in the offense. It’s quite another when the QB is literally passing it to the other team.

    The so called “haters” have seen enough of Jay-Miss. We know that it’s not going to be any different this season or next season. He is not the best QB in Bucs history and we all know it. The Buccaneers would be fools if they gave him the $100+ million dollar contract. He’s not good enough.

  38. SteveK Says:


    The “garbage time” crowd gets upset about the TD:Turnover Ratio. Surely, you’d expect a #1 pick and heisman winner to be able to execute in this offense. The off field transgressions led to the Buc’s consequences.

  39. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lmao 813

  40. Tim Says:

    It is not garbage time stats when you pull within a score.
    The defense put up as much of a fight yesterday as a wet paper bag would.

  41. uckinator Says:

    No hope; only pain !

  42. SteveK Says:

    Fitz has 17 TD and 7 INTs this year. You can win with that

    Jameis has 6TDs and 10 INTs.

    You can’t win like that. Fans, players, etc. deserve to see the player play that presents the best opportunity to snatch a Sunday victory.

  43. Bculaw Says:

    Same can be said for many of JW’s games.

    Bottom line is that they are both the same QB right now, and neither has much chance for success with this awful defense and kicking game.

    That said, so many are ready to cast JW aside. He’s played very poorly this year, to be sure, but I’d sure like to see him get one chance with another system. It’s clear everything this coaching staff touches turns to crap, including nearly every non pass catching draft pick. Maybe JW and every other young needs a fresh outlook. It worked for the Rams!

  44. Says:

    Fitz was pummeled a dozen times, including several helmet-to-helmet hits. He was often left in third and long due to failed run plays. The O-Line was beyond bad in this one, and it is nothing short of heroic that he came up with 4 TDs and brought us within a score. The Panthers played like the top-5 defense they are, outclassing our line and playcalling… would have been nice to get to see Fitz in at ATL or first half of CIN.

    There was also a post about not moving the ball in the first half – again, did you watch the same O-Line play and playcalling the rest of us did?

    There was also a post questioning his heart – the guy is the most passionate person on the field and the undisputed leader of the offense. The guy gave up his body for extra yards all day long and never quit.

    He’s been the best QB on this team this year by a mile, and one of the top 10 in the league. Why can’t he get even a little respect from Joe, if not celebration?

  45. Cgmaster27 Says:

    Funny the double standard and some Jameis haters will say down by 27 wasnt garbage time. They make offensive line and defensive excuses for him too. Hysterical

  46. 813bucboi Says:


    exactly…..now during the first quarter she’s like, “the game is over….can we go to sams and home depot now”….


  47. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Stop blaming the QB’s for garbage time stats. Blame the defense.

  48. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    Nobody wants Winston!!!!!

  49. El Buco Realisto Says:

    I miss the lovie days, when the game would be over 6 days before they would take the field!!!!!!!!!!

  50. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Put Winston in and ride him to the end of season. This team has no chance to make the playoffs. We’ll be lucky to go 8-8 at this point.

    Let Winston use the time to work through his issues. Then evaluate him after the season ends.

  51. Pete I Says:

    Well when Jameis is on the field it certainly is garbage.

  52. GrafikDetail Says:

    my worst fear right now at this point is this team & the QB(s) plays just good enough to save Koetter’s job… i’m done with dude… he’s the Lovie Smith of offense… team is never ready to play & the only consistency they have is to be inconsistent with little to no improvements… when he was hired the always wrong blabbermouth Skip Bayless said this was the worst staff in the NFL & that his sources agreed… and for 3 seasons this staff have proven him absolutely right… if you’re ready to throw the towel in on Winston, then why still want Koetter? he’s more responsible for this teams woes than Winston is… and i dont want to hear sh*t about this alleged “top ranked” offense because they’re still inconsistent and more importantly he’s responsible for the ENTIRE team

  53. Posey99 Says:

    LOL …

    Garbage time means when your defense is garbage and you have to play catch up all the time. Similar to all of Winston’s great stats…

  54. Chris Says:

    How many interceptions did fitz throw? Oh, only 1? You’re right, no difference between him and Winston. Should rename this site to JoeWinstonFan.com

  55. Chris Says:

    Actually he had 2 INTs, but still. Fitzpatrick didn’t lose us that game. The nonexistent defense did.

  56. Tampa Bay Tailgater Says:

    Comparing the number 1 overall pick to a journeyman QB and actually having a case for comparison tells us exactly what’s has been won’t with this franchise for over 12 years. Shouldn’t be close but here we are…

  57. Tampa Bay Tailgater Says:


  58. Bobby M. Says:

    Fitzpatrick did everything Winston typically does….Doesn’t change the narrative for Winston…You cant win with a QB that turns the ball over multiple times per game. The hope with Fitzpatrick is maybe he’s found some twilight magic in his career similar to a Kurt Warner or Rich Gannon…Maybe he can manage to distribute the ball like a Brad Johnson…and with that you can stay in position to get some wins. But yesterday was just more of the same. I think at this point either Koetter is trying to salvage the locker room or he’s been instructed not to play Winston in hopes of avoiding a serious injury.

  59. Etzel Says:


    I know you probably have zero reference to back up your your ridiculously stupid statement “First overall pick to have 2 coaches fired”. Just off the top of my head, Alex Smith had 4 coaches, you putz.

  60. Issaic haggins Says:

    I sont think Joe has a profound fondness of Winston, I think Joe understands you need to be set it quarterback to win in the NFL and utilize your weapons !!!
    Joe also understands that there have been numerous quarterbacks that have left Tampa to go on and win numerous Super Bowls in play in many many pro bowls !! A 36-year-old journey man with three block passes one fumble and two interceptions is not the answer at quarterback and Joe also understands that someone that makes a decision not to bring along a young quarterback and go with this journey man has no business head coaching in the NFL !! You must develop young quarterbacks at all costs in the NFL there are many teams dominoes to trade away or not re-sign a Drew Brees unless youluck into that you have to develop a young quarterback !! You never give up and get rid of one never ever unless you have Tony Romo or Patrick Mahomes behind them on the bench !! Especially young quarterback that has some of the best numbers ever in the history of the NFL !!! You’ve got long ball accuracy and ball security to salt in you got a pro bowler get to coaching and solve it !!!

  61. Etzel Says:

    @MHBuc “Hurrr durrrr, da blak one aint as good as da white one. Here’s a made fact up fact showing u y! yuk yuk yuk”

  62. D-Rome Says:

    Let Winston use the time to work through his issues. Then evaluate him after the season ends.

    He’s had since his freshman year at Florida State to work through the issues that still plague him today. By a quarterback’s 4th season you know what he is going to become. This isn’t like the Bucs letting go of Steve Young too early. Turns out Jay-Miss is the same exact guy today as he was in college.

    The coaching staff doesn’t trust Jay-Miss. Why should the fans? This team is a far cry the from 11-5 playoff bound team you thought they were going to be.

  63. Eric Says:

    Winton does have 75 tds in his career which puts him in pretty elite company.

    Foolish to give up on him IMO. To what end? trying to eek out six wins?

    I don’t get it.

  64. DB55 Says:

    I guess all the posters who had a clue have been banned. Darn shame really.

  65. Pete I Says:

    But that elite company which is always mentioned, all of those great QB’s had winning records by their 4th year and had been to the playoffs. Winston has done neither of those things.

  66. Aaron Says:

    Normally I would say garage time in the NFL is 8 min left the 4th quarter down multiple scores. But our defense is so bad that other teams know they can get what they want when they need it.
    So they shut it down way early…kudos to Fitz for not giving up.

    If you are Koetter you are trying to salvage the season so you play Fitz.

    If you are the Owner(s) you want JW to play. You want to get as much good and / or bad play on tape for the next regime. I would even give Griffin a start in there too. The issue is that the Glaziers will need to demand that Koetter plays JW. Unless Fitz falls completely on his face – I just don’t see the advantage for him to start JW.

    This offense is not setup to JW’s strengths – he needs a good running game with short to intermediate routes. Sprinkle in some play-action and I think he’s fine, but the issue with that is that when you pay your QB $25 – $30mill a season you need him to be really good to cover up some of the issues your roster will have due to lack of resources.

    Here we go again…starting over.

    I’m starting to believe that we now are the new Cleveland Browns. What talented Head of Football Operations, GM, and Coach really want to work in Tampa Bay? We’ll continue to hire retreads or unqualified candidates and just start the cycle again.

    It’s tough being a Bucs Fan.

  67. Dooshlarue Says:


    Nice to see you’ve calmed down since yesterday.
    That was pretty funny when you thought it was a good time to call me and other JW “haters” out after Fitzmagic threw that pick.
    Fitz didn’t light it up but he dam sure didn’t throw 4 picks before halftime.

    You have to be a little more patient chief.

  68. DBS Says:

    When the changes start make sure to add the hideous uniforms to the garbage pile.

  69. Eric Says:

    Winston had a winning record in his second year.

    Fits has played nine seasons in the NFL. Two times he had a winning record. Seven times a losing record.

    No playoffs ever.

  70. Jmarkbuc Says:


    “Let Winston use the time to work through his issues. Then evaluate him after the season ends”

    I believe both of you are correct.

    D-Rome, he is what he has always been, so why not let him just come out and do whatever he’s gonna do…at this point we aren’t going anywhere but down.

    The whole injury thing is problematic. If you want to save that money and have options..deactivate him. Bubble wrap him and open him up next year. Maybe not seeing him play on the field will increase his trade value, if you get what I mean.

    Play the Ryan’s until one/or both gets hurt. Fitzy wasn’t looking to healthy at the end of that one. His last INT to Djax, I don’t think he had anything left…You can always reactivate JW if necessary.

    The only question is..Do you wanna risk 20.9M to see JW play?

  71. passthebuc Says:

    Garbage time stats like bringing them back to striking distance. Absurd. Joe, if you actually believe this, you need to be writing about politics.

  72. Eric Says:

    So if the only measure is wins and losses Fitz is 2-3 this year.

  73. Phil Says:

    I don’t understand the purpose of playing Fitzpatrick instead of Jameis. It isn’t like we are going to the playoffs. With a defense that can’t stop anyone you’re not going to win anything.

  74. D-Rome Says:

    D-Rome, he is what he has always been, so why not let him just come out and do whatever he’s gonna do…at this point we aren’t going anywhere but down.

    The reason is because there are other guys on offense are trying to win and put enough good film together for their next contract. Production pays. Look at the season OJ Howard is having. Look at the game Adam Humphries had yesterday. You better believe, especially for a bubble guy like Humphries, that yesterday’s game helps him. He doesn’t have that game with Jay-Miss at QB.

  75. Eric Says:

    in the last three games Fitzmagic has started the bucs have been down an average of 25 points at halftime.

  76. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Yet another article pushing Jameis. Fitz has faced the stiffer competition in games against New Orleans and the Eagles with 8 touchdowns that in noway
    can be considered garbage time. He also payed against the very stiff defenses
    in Chicago,Pittsburg and Carolina . the “heartless and” garbage time” attacks on Fritz’s play is unwarranted. His 17 TD’sand 5 INT’s is clearly better than Jameis’s
    6 TD’s and 10 interceptions .Lets compare Fitz’s 117 QB rating to Jameis ‘s 75.
    In his fourth year Jameis has played himself into to backup status.

  77. Rod Munch Says:

    Fitz was OK yesterday, but nearly was disaterious. If Carolina was catching everything like the Bengals were, if every tipped ball was getting intercepted like what seemingly happens to Jameis, if every strip-sack was a lost fumble, then he’d have had at least 5 turnovers in the game and the final score would have been more like 56-13.

    But that didn’t happen and Fitz continued to play – I have no issue with his effort, however that last INT he threw, that’s where the Jameis haters are fake news. Had Jameis thrown that last INT with 3 mins to go the Jameis haters would literally blame him for the loss and say he’s awful and needs to be cut. Fitz does it and nothing, not a peep, because everyone knows that is the correct play – you must push the ball to try to get points as you don’t have time for a 5 min drive when you need 2 touchdowns, you must take a chance. If Winston does it, these idiots are literally saying the defense isn’t the issue, they made a stop to get him the ball back (nevermind the 42 points), the offense has to score – but Fitz does it, well, he had an awesome day (he didn’t, he was fine, not good, not awesome, just fine). That’s why I give the vast majority of Winston haters zero respect.

  78. GhostofSchiano Says:

    our Defense sucks Says Also give Fitz respect or we would be looking like the raiders right now

    We got 8 games left….Hey Raiders, hold my beer.

  79. Cobraboy Says:

    I should put together a Winston turnover video montage matched with Tammy Wynettes “Stand By Your Man” as the music theme.

  80. Eric Says:

    I do give Fitz respect, I’m merely pointing out that a quarterback can play well and still lose, especially when the defense is the worst in NFL history.

    That variable should be applied equally when assessing both our QB’s. Not cherry picked.

  81. Wausa Says:

    Bottom line is this time needs to be blown up.

    Trade veterans:
    Gerald McCoy
    Desean Jackson

    Don’t sign

    Everyone except Monken if the new defensive minded coach wants to keep him as offensive coordinator.

  82. JimmyJack Says:

    Our offense only works against prevent defenses. Garbage stats are all we get. Get used to it for another 8 games.

  83. 813bucboi Says:


    you gotta keep hump……i think he’s the only player on the team that is mentally tough……hump got heart…..you reward players like that…..those are the players that you keep in your locker room…..


  84. jmarkbuc Says:


    I am assuming that future contracts are gonna be decided by someone else.

    It would be easy for a good football person to identify who’s got talent on this team. Should take about five minutes.

  85. K_Bassuka Says:

    It’s not a coincidence that the team doesn’t win when you bring in “veterans” such as Fitzpatrick and DJax. They only know how to lose and are passing that mentality to the young players.

  86. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    48 games 70 turnovers enough said! End of story 6and 10

  87. Iamabuc Says:

    I havente heard any of the Fitz nuthuggers today.

  88. Jay Says:

    Would you please stop calling Winston Americas QB or pro-bowler. He was a back up on someone who did not want to go to the pro-bowl, not a starter invite so please stop!

    Yes Fitz stats were good in what you called garbage time but he played otherwise a good game. If Winston would have been there it would have been a catastrophe and any chance of building confidence would have been shot. So he should be thanking Koetter for not starting this game.

    The QB is one of the many many problems the Bucs have at the moment, so I am not blaming Fitz or Winston, they can’t control the defense or the lack of a running game. So stop with the incredibly obvious crush on Winston…LEE and be fair on your ”reporting of the team”.

  89. Solo Nolo Says:

    I am not going to argue with people because I am not going to change any ones mind. Here are facts to support why Jameis should be starting and is the quarterback of the future.

    Troy Aikman first 4 years-54 TD /60 INT

    Steve Young first 4 years- 24 TD / 24 INT

    Brett Favre first 4 years- 70 TD / 53 INT

    Peyton Manning first 4 years- 111 TD / 60 INT

    Jameis Winston first 4 years – 75 TD / 54 INT

    Jameis is second only to Peyton Manning on this list. All 4 of these guys have won multiple super bowls and are in the HOF. Many of the people who are screaming like little girls to get rid of Jamies (not all) are doing so for 2 simple reasons. He is black and their perception of him based upon unfounded (Never was charged in either situation) accusations.

    End of discussion !

  90. Rod Munch Says:

    Are people who keep saying we need to trade away everyone even aware the trade deadline has already passed? It was sort of a big deal – yet I see people saying we need to trade guys right now…

  91. Rod Munch Says:

    Buccaneerscotty – Brett Favre, all-time NFL turnover king, enough said….

    What an idiot.

  92. Solo Nolo Says:

    I am not going to argue with people because I will not change anyones mind. Here are FACTS as to why Jamies should be starting and is our QB of the future

    Troy Aikman first 4 years-54 TD /60 INT

    Steve Young first 4 years- 24 TD / 24 INT

    Brett Favre first 4 years- 70 TD / 53 INT

    Peyton Manning first 4 years- 111 TD / 60 INT

    Jameis Winston first 4 years – 75 TD / 54 INT

    Jameis is second to only Peyton Manning on this list. All 4 of these guys have won Super Bowls and are in the HOF. Many of the people (not all) screaming like little girls to get rid of Jameis are doing so for two reasons. He is black and perception based upon false accusations (he was never charged in either incident).

    End of discussion !

  93. Solo Nolo Says:

    I am not going to argue with people because it will not change any ones mind. I will give you FACTS as to why Jameis should be starting and is the QB of the future.

    Troy Aikman first 4 years-54 TD /60 INT

    Steve Young first 4 years- 24 TD / 24 INT

    Brett Favre first 4 years- 70 TD / 53 INT

    Peyton Manning first 4 years- 111 TD / 60 INT

    Jameis Winston first 4 years – 75 TD / 54 INT

    Jameis is second only to Peyton Manning on this list. All of these QB’s have won Super Bowls and are in the HOF.

    End of discussion !

  94. Rod Munch Says:

    Lets take the worst possible scenario for Winston, and that is that he is Vinny Testaverde (which he’s not, but that is literally the worst case scenario). Vinny played for what, over 20 years, and eventually became one of the better QBs in football, at least for a few years. Winston is literally already near where Vinny peaked in his mid-30s, but lets pretend that Winston has no value anywhere else and wouldn’t even be in football right now if the Bucs didn’t have him on the roster. LOL! Again, it’s why I don’t take the Winston bashers seriously, they literally don’t know the history of the game and they think a 24 year old playing in basically the only deep ball offense still in the game should put up INT %’s of those that play in dink and dunk offenses – in other words they want Mike Glennon and still haven’t gotten over him leaving town.

  95. Hawk Says:

    I don’t care how many times Koetter wiggles his nose, or how many brass lamps he rubs, the Bucs are *NOT* a playoff team. He should start Winston every game. There is absolutely *NO* reason to “play the best QB”, whoever that may be. Winston needs to play every snap (barring an injury), so that there is *NO* doubt about their decision to bring him back next year (or not). It is completely irrelevant whether *I* think he should/shouldn’t be signed. It is ultimately going to fall into the Glazers lap. If Winston is injured, the Glazers can afford the 21 mil for next year. They can still choose to move on, or sign him to a long-term deal.
    The bottom line is that with this team, there are no ‘good’ reasons to waste evaluation time when there is no hope of doing anything in January, except ‘scouting’.

  96. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    Look at the record as wipe wins and losses and don’t forget to add the fumbles solo nolo you people are tards

  97. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    If you think Winston will be in the Hall your a crazy crack head

  98. MC Says:

    Troy Aikman first 4 years-54 TD /60 INT
    Steve Young first 4 years- 24 TD / 24 INT
    Brett Favre first 4 years- 70 TD / 53 INT
    Peyton Manning first 4 years- 111 TD / 60 INT
    Jameis Winston first 4 years – 75 TD / 54 INT

    Compelling stats….but what is it about Winston that is different from the others on that list? hmmm… what could it be that inspires such a vitriolic dislike? Guess we’ll never know.

  99. Rod Munch Says:

    Buccaneerscotty – OK stupid, lets look at w/l’s…

    Winston took a 2 win team, to 6 wins, then to 9 wins, then was injured for nearly all of last season, then this year is 2-1 with an even decent kicker and 3-1 in his last 4, including that 90 yard drive with what, under 2 mins left and no TO’s and throwing the game winning TD when Dirk wanted to play for a FG.

    Yeah, what a loser, you can see a huge decline in those W’s and L’s. He plays in the toughest division in football, has played the toughest schedule in football since he came here in 2015, has progressed when healthy, his numbers have improved each full season, but he had a bad road game on a windy day so he’s a bust. LOL!

  100. Hawk Says:

    “… is 2-1 with an even decent kicker and 3-1 in his last 4…”
    And he is 16-0 if the Bucs had a unicorn on the team roster. Sorry, but if you want to ‘start’ with facts, you can’t change midstream to fantasy or wishes. If you do, you have to that for *all* players. Agents would love that, but GMs… not so much.

  101. tickrdr Says:

    Mike Tanier says:
    ……………………..Fitzpatrick has now thrown twice as many touchdowns while his team is trailing (106) than leading (52) for his career……………………..

    Fitz’s career total numbers are:
    AHEAD = 52 TDs and 16 INTs
    TIED = 32 TDs and 14 INTs
    BEHIND = 106 TDs and 112 INTs

    America’s QB, ProBowler, Heisman Trophy Winner, Jameis Winston’s totals:
    AHEAD = 16 TDs and 7 INTs
    TIED = 10 TDs and 9 INTs
    BEHIND = 49 TDs and 38 INTs

    My math may be wrong, but it looks to me that JW3 has more than THREE times as many TDs while his team is trailing (49) than leading (16).
    Are any of those “garbage-time” stats?

    How about when the game is tied or leading?
    JW3 = 26 TDs and 16 INTs
    RF14= 84 TDs and 30 INTs
    Exit Question: Did Mr. Tanier have any thoughts on fumbles lost?


  102. Hawk Says:

    Very good tickrdr, but where are your ‘what if’ stats? lol

  103. Sharkiebucfan Says:

    Goons throwing out stats, news flash this team stinks. Quit hiding behind the stats and put on a brown paper bag. #itsabucslife

  104. Rod Munch Says:

    Hawk – Yeah stupid, when a kicker costs you the game you blame the QB for the loss – which is literally what you morons do so long as it’s Winston. Anywho dummy even with the loss he’s still 2-2 versus 1-3 for Fitz in his last 4 starts with this same awful defense.

  105. Hawk Says:

    I *don’t* blame the QB… dummy. But I don’t count *wins* that are losses, regardless of who’s playing. And Fitz is 2-2… dummy. Of course if we only count the very last game, Fitz is 0-1, and Winston is a no-show. But you keep counting only what you want to see.
    The *only* dog I have in this fight is the *team*. I couldn’t give a rats a$$ who starts at any position. But I will not make up imaginary wins/losses to make the Bucs look better than they are. They stink… top to bottom. Winston has no more, and no less of blame. He shoulders more (in the public eye) because he plays the QB position AND he was advertised as being able to carry a team on his back. *IF* he signs a new contract for the going rate, the Bucs will be getting a player who has very similar numbers to a washed up, journeyman, has-been/never-was.
    If it were my decision, I’d have his play every offensive snap from now until the end of the season. I could then make one of three choices. Let him go ( convinced he won’t be the future), sign him to a long-term contract (convinced that he*is* the future), or pick up his fifth year and play him until he convinces me of one of the first two choices.

  106. Pittsshore Says:

    Way too much love for a backup QB. Who cares about him???? He is a goner.

  107. DNI Says:

    The defense is terrible and is in better hands than with Smith. Always thought he never should have come back. Then there is the idiot GM who has done a terrible job at drafting. However, this is the first time in years we have had an exciting offense. It just needs a better QB who can execute it, a ruining game and a few tweaks on OL. I do have a question though. Who was the person who put together the offensive scheme? I would hold on to that person or persons.

  108. Hawk Says:

    I believe that either one of these QBs could win a Super Bowl. If Dilfer, Johnson, Foles, Flacco, etc can win a Super Bowl, then Fitzpatrick, Winston, and maybe Griffin could all win one. The offense needs (at least) one more stud lineman, and then an entirely new defense.
    Rich McKay could draft defense, and Licht can draft offense. Now that the Bucs have a potent offense, they need a defensive-minded GM.

  109. unbelievable Says:

    My point is that every excuse being given to Fitz also applies to Jameis with the exception of some of that Cincy game. That was an absolutely terrible game from him.

    But the other games have had all the same problems and issues you use to defend Fitz. That’s my point. Poor o-line, no run game, awful defense, receivers dropping balls, etc., it’s been the same chit for both of them.

    Now should we expect more from Jameis as a #1? Yes, we should. And I do.

    But considering most of his 3rd year was injured and missed half the games we’ve played so far, I want to see him play a little more before kicking him out of Tampa. 3 games is not a good sample size after an injury-plagued season, IMO.

    Now if Fitz is playing lights out, that’s different… You ride the hot hand and win as much as you can. But the first 2 weeks have come and gone and his play has leveled out. He only had 2 INTs yesterday but easily could have had 2 more. (Same argument made against Jameis).

    From a business standpoint and the future of the franchise, you have to get a better evaluation on Jameis.. and soon.

  110. Hawk Says:

    I agree, unbelievable. This season is down the tubes. Use it to evaluate certain players like Winston, Jones, Watson, Nassib, Vea, etc, as well as getting them more experience.

  111. Jameis Almighty! Says:

    Great research! Fitz is a great garbage time QB. He’s the reason the Bucs had no chance. Can’t be giving teams freebie TDS with this historically bad defense. Leave Jameis on the bench and let the fans have their choice in Fitz show is true self so the Bucs can get a better draft slot for the new GM.