“That’s Not Going To Change”

October 26th, 2018

Dishes on America.

Former Bucs guard and popular Tampa Bay radio personality Ian Beckles has it figured out.

Beckles has watched enough games from America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, to know who Jameis is. And what you saw last week against the Browns is what Jameis is, and always will be, Beckles said on his informative podcast, “In the Trenches.”

Beckles advises Bucs fans who don’t like dump plays and two picks a game either better get used to it or find another hobby on Sunday afternoons. Because each week Jameis is going to make breathtaking plays and then have a couple of boneheaded moves.

It is who Jameis is, Beckles said.

“Jameis Winston, you can’t throw the ball in the middle of somebody’s chest in overtime,” Beckles said. “Can’t do it. Jameis Winston, what we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks is what it is. That’s not going to change, people. It’s not. That’s what it is.

“There is some brilliance, OK? And there is some inadequacies as well. It’s hard to pinpoint and put your finger on the issue. And I don’t know if there is an issue because this is what it is. He’s going to throw three or four balls that he has no business throwing. He’s also going to get out of a few sacks. He’s going to be responsible for a few sacks.”

In other words, a modern version of Brett Favre.

Beckles’ advice for Bucs fans is simple: Go into a game expecting at least two really, really bad plays from Jameis. But he will make up for it with two unreal plays if not more.

In short, Jameis is an entertaining if not exhausting high-wire act sure to both frustrate and thrill. And if a Bucs fan cannot accept that, then a cardiologist or a fishing trip each Sunday may be in order.

As always, Beckles welcomes feedback at IanBeckles@RadioInfluence.com.

94 Responses to ““That’s Not Going To Change””

  1. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Well let’s see – Winston has 7 turnovers in 2.5 games. Or averaging almost 3 turnovers per week. I do NOT expect that AT ALL going forward to be the average. If he’s implying that then I completely disagree and all the stats back me up.

    He has 44 interceptions in 45 games. He averages 1 per game. Considering he has 2 per game already; history says we’re going to see some turnover free performances.

    Even with fumbles lost (15 total; although somehow only 2 his rookie year); he is averaging 1.3 turnovers per game. The NFL average is 1 turnover per game. He is averaging 3 right now.

    So unless he randomly is falling off a cliff this year; history says he will get his sh1t togehter most the rest of this season with turnovers. We’ll see.

    GO BUCS!

  2. Ray Rice Says:

    Man just get the W!

  3. Lord Cornelius Says:

    *Note the stats I was citing were from 2015-2017 — i.e. his sample size before this season started.

  4. LakeLand Says:

    Th Bucs will never win in the NFC South
    If that’s the case

  5. AlteredEgo Says:

    Beckles is %100 correct on this conclusion…..
    Move On . Bucs

  6. Ryan Baker Says:

    @Joe , Do you think any fan should go into a game expecting their QB to turn the ball over multiple times a game , I can understand one , but thinking fans should expect multiple is ludicrous !

  7. Ryan Baker Says:

    Wit his that being said , Beckles , hasn’t figured it out .

  8. Dewey Selmon Says:

    Jameis dropped back 62 times in a overtime game that his OL admitted they were gassed. What would you expect to happen? Until we establish a run game this whole staff and fans are relying on Winston’s arm for jobs and a playoff appearance.

  9. Jaywill Says:

    P. Manning average even more turnovers than Winston at this point in their careers and he wasn’t a gun slinger. Bucs still averaging 27 points with these turnovers. Plus only 3 have been on him whether it was a bad throw or decision. The rest were the result of others not doing their job like missing blocks or running wrong route.

  10. D-Rome Says:

    In other words, a modern version of Brett Favre.

    You insult Brett Favre with that sentence.

    Jay-Miss is closer to Andy Dalton than Brett Favre. Here’s the thing I’ve been saying all week. By a QB’s 4th year we know what he is going to be. Brett Favre was the NFL MVP in his 4th season as a full time starting QB. He also won a Super Bowl.

    Jay-Miss will never be a future MVP QB. The sky is not the limit for Jay-Miss. We have seen his limit. He doesn’t suck like some people claim, but this is who he is. He is not going to “learn from his mistakes” or “get better” like he says. This is it.

    I don’t care if he’s, statistically speaking, the best QB in franchise history. The team can and should do better. The team should not give him the $100+ million dollar contract until they have exhausted all options to avoid giving him that money. Meaning the Bucs should use the franchise tag until they think they can find someone better in the draft, and I believe they can in the future. The Bucs should be in no rush to lock him up. He’ll always be in the 2nd half of the league in terms of QB rankings. Right now he’s probably the 20th best QB in the NFL.

  11. LakeLand Says:

    Dewey Selmon

    Cleveland defense allows 4.5 YPC
    135 YPG

    You’re telling me, the Bucs couldn’t run on them

  12. LakeLand Says:

    If they couldn’t run the ball on Cleveland

    Who can they run on?

  13. 813bucboi Says:

    just win Winston….that’s all folks care about….


  14. 813bucboi Says:


    I hate the brett comparison as well…..


  15. Joe Says:

    I don’t care if he’s, statistically speaking, the best QB in franchise history. The team can and should do better. The team should not give him the $100+ million dollar contract until they have exhausted all options to avoid giving him that money.

    Well, what is your solution? Suck badly for another two years (too many wins this year) to get a No. 1 pick in 2020 and roll the dice on another rookie who may not be as good as Jameis? Don’t think the family that owns the team is willing to do that because that means they will lose tens of millions of dollars. Maybe more.

    And unless Andrew Luck suddenly becomes available, it is rare as can be for a quarterback better than Jameis to be on the trade market or a free agent.

    So for all the “get rid of Jameis!” folks, the only way, maybe, the Bucs can improve on that is to be horrible once again.

    If that’s the solution, then fine. Just don’t b!tch about the team losing because that’s what will happen. A lot!

    Joe has said it before and will say it again: The reason why this franchise is a joke is because it gets rid of good players. Running off the best quarterback this franchise has ever had is not the way to turn things around. In fact, it’s the way to a longer era of being a total joke.

    But, Joe is convinced folks want another Shaun King at quarterback — great for handing the ball off but God forbid the team needs a touchdown late in the game.

    But yeah, King won games.

  16. SKBucsFan Says:

    this article is spot on. I have accepted the fact that JW will make bonehead plays, but will make a few good ones. I was one of the few not wearing Jameis colored glasses when he was drafted. He is average at best. But I also believe we can win with average if we continue to build our DL and OL. Defense wins championships and Winston needs extra protection because he hangs onto the ball for too long. (ADHD)

    There is an easy off-season formula to follow. Even Licht could probably figure it out: Offer Winston back-up quarterback money. If he accepts, then you have a quarterback for another year or two. If he is delusional and wants $20 + million a year, then let him walk, and work towards finding a new average quarterback.

  17. ben Says:

    Favre could throw the long ball..

  18. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Largely agree with your take…Jameis does combine brilliance with his boneheaded moves…but it’s far…far…far too premature to be putting Jameis in the same category as Brett Favre.

    Brett Favre may have been a “gambler” he certainly tried to force some balls in places they shouldn’t have been thrown but he didn’t make the same mistakes in judgement as Jameis. And he won a SB…could we at least wait until JW gets us into the playoffs before comparing him to SB winners and Hall of Fame QB’s. Now to guys who wanted to compare with Andy Dalton I’m ok with that but clearly they have different styles. I’m not sure Dalton is better than JW either although again…scoreboard…whether it’s his fault or not JW will NEVER get true props until the Bucs make the playoffs. It’s as simple as that….whether it’s fair or not is irrelevant. Make the playoffs or become forgotten.

    I’m a Bucs fan so I’m rooting for Jameis. There IS a LOT to like about Jameis….alas there is also a lot that has been disturbing about him.

    I’m reserving most of my judgment until the end of the year.
    If Jameis can win 70% of the remaining games that’s ten wins and an almost certain playoff spot. Then he’s golden!

    He has to at least finish 5-5 over the last ten for me to hang on for another year WAITING for him to FINALLY blossom.

    Obviously injuries and the play of his teammates will affect our season as well as JW’s play. Given the strength of schedule the rest of the way…and the potential on Defense we showed this past Sunday…we should at least be able to go .500 the rest of this season which would also make us .500 for the season.

    I almost choke on accepting .500 but we need to get real here.
    We have an improved team IMHO but we still has some major issues….and quite honestly I can’t say whether QB is one of them. I’ve reached the point where I no longer care about JW”s stats except for our overall record. I shall not be surprised if he really turns it on the final ten games…then again I won’t be shocked if he doesn’t.

  19. AlteredEgo Says:

    Laughable to compare Jameis to Favre….Favre’s gambles paid off…he was an excellent scrambler and an assassin throwing the football….Jameis’s gambles blow up half the time and don’t work %25 of the other…Jameis lumbers and stumbles “scrambling” and is suicidal throwing the football
    Move On . Bucs….and take the Stat Carriers with you

  20. Bird Says:

    Yah. He is just like Favre. Favre was in league for 20 years? And had 2 losing seasons.


    With that said , it’s time for a Jameis blow up game Think he looks like number 1 pick this weekend. Has big game. Cause he has this game one out of 3 but closer to 4 games

  21. Joe Says:

    OK guys, who else as a quarterback do you know that took risks like Jameis if Farve is not an apt comparison?

    Joe cannot think of any.

  22. John Says:

    Buc’s need to move away from Winston and move in another direction. Winston is not a good decision maker, has happy feet and most fans (who are realist) are simply awaiting his next “off the field bone-headed move”. It’ll happen. I never was a Winston hater and still not a hater today. The reality is that Winston is an average to below average QB… Its not simply stats its what you see when you watch him play. The guy just isn’t a great QB nor will he ever be.
    I predict that he will have some AWESOME games… Put up huge stats and be the sports talk of the week (on occasion) … Overall, though, I believe he’ll have more situations to where we lose games based on his decision making then we’ll have wins based on his decision making…. The dude simply ain’t that good… thanks

  23. AlteredEgo Says:

    We’ll know for certain by the end of this year…if the balance of the season is equal to Jameis’s NFL body of work he will not be the “franchise QB ” we were all hoping for…..I simply don’t see him dramatically changing his decision making, timing of those decisions, accuracy ,ball placement and timing of throws…buy hey that is just my evaluation and opinion

  24. Wombat Says:

    ummmmm, Jake Plummer. Jeff George…. Evil Knievel??? Plus Jameis has probably the most talented group of players to throw to in the league. As Alvin Harper once said of Trent Dilfer, “he’s gonna get someone killed”!! Jameis is gonna get someone hurt the way he throws into coverage and almost never in stride. Go back and watch the first 2 games Joe, Fitz was in the zone!!!

  25. Resurrection of Duff Says:

    Winston to Jackson deep and often equals playoffs.

    Jameis “I Got To Get Better” Winston needs to become Jameis “I Can Hit Jackson Deep” Winston. Then you can afford to have your boneheaded plays while still winning games.

    Go Bucs!!!

  26. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol no none addressing the objective stats here.

    You’d think Winston averages twice the turnovers of a normal QB. He’s at a rate of 1.3 vs 1. He improves this season and he’ll have average turnover rate to go against way above average YPA/TDs/etc.

    11th in QBR with all these turnovers right now.

    “I don’t care if he’s, statistically speaking, the best QB in franchise history. The team can and should do better.”

    By that statement alone – why the hell would you think we can do better? We obviously proved that for decades and decades we could NOT do better lol….

    24 year old QB that is top 1/3 in the league per most rating metrics and pushing for the league lead in passing yards per game.

    I also don’t know a QB who has been more robbed of victories at the end of games by his defense. 3 last year alone. 4 if you add in special teams.

    Now IF he keeps turning the ball over on average 2.5 or 3 X per game – then yeah we need to reevaluate end of season. If he gets back on his normal track then we should be looking good rest of year.

  27. Dewey Selmon Says:

    In 4 years Jameis has had one 1,000 yard rusher, a terrible defense(except the 5 game win streak) and multiple kickers who have robbed him of victories. Winston has shot himself in the foot will turnovers, but when he plays lights out he still loses games because of def/st.

  28. Ed Says:

    I think its pretty apparent that many of us here feel that Jameis Winston is an average NFL QB. In 2015 Winston and Mariotta, went #1 and #2. Winston is average, Mariotta is below average.

    In 2016 Jared Goff and Carson Wentz went #1 and #2, both are better than average and either is an upgrade over Winston. Paxton Lynch went much later in first round. No question Winston is better than Lynch.

    In 2017 no QB went #1, Mitchell Trubisky was #2, Patrick Maholmes #10 and DeShaun Watson went #12. Both Maholmes and Watson are better than Winston. Winston is better than Trubisky, certainly.

    Class of 2018 had 5 QB’s go in round one: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson. I won’t compare any to Jameis since they are rookies and havn’t played a full season.

    So to suggest that you can’t replace Winston is nuts, just in the past 3 years there have been 4 quarterbacks that have become far more consistant QBs than Winston: Goff, Wentz, Maholmes and Watson. Only Goff was the #1 pick on his draft, if Jameis played like Jared Goff we would be thrilled but he is only outplaying Marriotta, Lynch and Trubisky. Although Trubisky threw 6 TDs vs Bucs so maybe he can become average.

    Watch the highlights of DeSean Watson last night against Dolphins. Heres a guy that played for Clemson, wasn’t considered elite but throws a beautiful ball. He threw a deep TD last night that had the correct flight, arc, timing and was catchable.

    Why can’t the Bucs’ coaching staff train him how to properly throw the ball, Watson’s release is perfect, short and quick, the ball doesn’t go high, it doesn’t arrive before the receiver gets to the spot, its unbelievable that Jameis Winston has the worst throwing mechanics of any of the above QBs that we would all agree are better than him.

    He does have the potential but he has to work on his coordination and mechanics. He could be good but the clock is running out on his development period.

  29. feelthepewterpower Says:

    “Jameis Winston, you can’t throw the ball in the middle of somebody’s chest in overtime,” Beckles said. “Can’t do it. Jameis Winston, what we’ve seen in the last couple of weeks is what it is. That’s not going to change, people. It’s not. That’s what it is.

    He did it (put the ball in the middle of the chest) on the late fourth quarter drive to set-up a chip shot field goal.

  30. feelthepewterpower Says:

    You have to realize it was 90 degrees…with everyone spent. No one looked sharped.

  31. Dewey Selmon Says:

    A new regime next year can pay Winston 20mil and franchise him in 2020. I would like to see another coaching staff and another QB coach. Joe is right, who are you going to get to replace him? I’m not ready to give up on him yet.

  32. Realbucfan941 Says:

    Only way you’re garaunteed a better QB than Jameis is to #TankforTua!

  33. SteveK Says:

    The 2018 TD:Turnover ratio is not good enough for Jameis.

    We need better, and I agree with Lord Corn, that this is an outlier. The rest of this season should answer all questions.

    No excuses! Year 4, time to shine Jameis!

    I would argue that Jameis’ play needs to improve in order for the Bucs to pick up the $20 million option next year. It needs to improve so much that it is worth $20 million dollars+ zero tolerance for another off field gaffe.

  34. SteveK Says:

    It would be disgusting to fire the GM and HC and not get a new QB.

    What competent, up and coming GM candidate would want to be saddled with a QB that is such an enigma and one bad decision away from a year long suspension?

  35. LakeLand Says:

    With the Bucs offensive weapons

    It seems like they can add an ‘average’ QB

    And get the results, they are getting now

    More likely better results

  36. SteveK Says:

    An we have a challenge this week:

    Hit DJax deep in stride just once this week!

    If not, let Fitz play every third series to air it out deep for the sake of scoring TDs!

  37. Joe Blahak Says:

    HAHAHAHA…”modern day Brett Favre” ..are you kidding me? couldn’t wear his jock strap…he’s a proven loser and turnover machine, and it’s not changing…I thought the suspension would be a motivation to get better…it’s the same old…NO HEAD FOR DIAGNOSIS OR POCKET AWARENESS….modern day Byron Leftwich!

  38. Dre Says:

    Joe stop trying to sneak hall of fame qbs names and tie them to jameis … no he’s no modern day Brett Favre … Brett Farve wins games and he has a ring and he’s made teams better … take the Vikings for example … jameis is no modern day Brett Favre … please

  39. unbelievable Says:

    lol Jameis looks like a cardboard cut out in that photo with Beckles.

  40. Dre Says:

    Brett Favre went to a crappy Minnesota team and took them to the title game the same year

  41. '79Defense Says:

    Why in the world would anyone think it’s as easy as pie to get rid of Jameis, wave a magic wand and then replace him with some guaranteed future star? Look at the history of this team and QBs. 43 years and only one QB has been around longer than five years (Dilfer with six). The turnovers do suck, but who has been a better QB than Jameis in team history?

    Give him something that halfway resembles a running game, a kicking game and a defense and then see what happens.

  42. Dre Says:

    Joe joe joe …. your love for Gerald McCoy and your obsession for trying your best to make people love a average qb is mind blowing …. Dre is thinking of getting credentials and writing b.s articles like you … you make us seem so easy

  43. Dre Says:


  44. Bucsfanman Says:

    Not for nothing but, we trot out this rationale that “the Bucs will suck again” if we lose Jameis yet, we had a journeyman QB rack up record breaking numbers in his absence. I respectfully disagree.
    He CAN and SHOULD be replaced if he cannot produce. It’s utterly ridiculous to think that because we lose HIM we won’t win games. Redundant question: How many 1st round QBs have failed and been replaced? Too many to name!
    If we continue to suck, it will not be because of ONE player.

  45. Joe Blahak Says:

    a healthy line and complete array of weapons and he still screws it all up….Fitz showed what this offense can be. An addition of a mid-range quarterback is enough to run the Bucs offensive machine next year.

  46. Sunday_44 Says:

    Yeah aint nobody on this team tanking unless they lose 3 games again and more people get injured.

    This team has and will certainly continue forward to win enough games that we won’t be getting a better QB in the draft.

    Maybe a trade like with Cousins, but this team is still too far away on Defense to get a high profile trade and immediately be relevant like Minnesota is doing with Cousins.

    Jameis might take risks, but that is the winning attitude of not wanting to come off the field without throwing or scoring a TD.

    He believes in himself and I’ll take that over an uncertain and unentertaining Osweiler type QB anyday.

    I can guarantee you he hasn’t specifically lost us a game yet.
    Almost won at Atlanta.

    Really feeling he throws 4 or 5 TDs and we get a couple picks/turnovers.

    This game could be fun to watch!!

  47. IsrBuc Says:

    Was favre so inaccurate on the deep ball? Is anyone who throw 2 pics a game is now in the same category as hof Superbowl winner and mvp brett favre?

  48. go for the face30 Says:

    Good Post Ed – Watson has had some games that Winston hasn’t had (last night for example with 5 touchdowns and no picks) but I’m not sure Watson is better than him. He’s generally been pretty terrible this year, but he’s coming off injury so perhaps last night and the week before is more of an indicator of what Watson is. Winston might even be, dare I say, pretty good! I think the problem is, to your point – people see what Mahomes is doing and what Goff is doing, which is playing at a god dang intergalactic level while mitigating mistakes. Levels in which we can only DREAM of with Jameis. I think we need to find middle ground with Jameis, and gonna have to accept the good with the bad. The chiefs have their Dan Marino. We unfortunately – do not

  49. Joe Says:

    Why in the world would anyone think it’s as easy as pie to get rid of Jameis, wave a magic wand and then replace him with some guaranteed future star?

    This… unless fans want to lose at least 14 games next year, and who knows how many after that waiting for the rookie to develop.

    If he develops.

  50. Kobe Faker Says:

    “sunday 5 pm after our loss, trade Djax for 3rd round pick to Houston or philly…

    our new GM needs draft picks”

    Kobe Faker

  51. Kobe Faker Says:

    “How come Houston recievers are soooo wide open? everytime they are in open space with 1 defender and not congested like Klueless Koetters schemes”

    “All Kobe wants for Christmas is Monken to call plays for JW, and than world peace”

    Kobe Faker

  52. Sunday_44 Says:

    LOL @ everybody slamming Joe about the Favre comparison and yet it continues even after he asked who would you compare him to.

    It’s a perfect comparison for how they play!!!!!

    Joe didn’t say they are the same father or son or identical personalities.

    He said the way he PLAYS reminds him of Farve and it’s not the 1st time that has been mentioned by SEVERAL people.

    The disdain for a person of this level is completely immature and lonely.

    We are talking about football. PERIOD.

    He will continue to take risks so deal with it.
    He is the QB of this team this Sunday so deal with it.
    We aren’t trading him so deal with it.

    I understand the frustration as a fan to be driving and see a stupid decision INT
    ruin your whole weekend.

    We can’t do better right now so lets all root for our team and talk about them actually winning this weekend, which they will do

  53. Kansas95Buc Says:

    I like how people complain about Winston but NEVER offer a soulution…that makes sense anyways #ThatsMyQB #TeamJameis #BestBucQBEver

  54. BrianBucs Says:


    OMG,did you actually just ridiculously compare Winston to Brett Farve?
    That is a new low for you. Must have started your weekend adult beverages early today.

  55. Kansas95Buc Says:

    Man you are totally on point, how many good players have Tampa ran off? Lets add salt to the open wound, how many players have Tampa ran off that went on to win a ring right after?!?!

  56. LakeLand Says:

    How many ‘bad’ players has the Bucs kept?
    That’s their problem

  57. ghost Says:

    Kansas95Buc Says:
    October 26th, 2018 at 1:52 pm

    I like how people complain about Winston but NEVER offer a soulution…that makes sense anyways #ThatsMyQB #TeamJameis #BestBucQBEver


    bestbucqbever? thats kinda like being the tallest midget.

  58. Kansas95Buc Says:

    @Lakeland, define bad players. I just want to make sure we’re on the same page. When I say good players, I mean those who impact the game and give us a chance to win. For some reason, Tampa has a history of releasing productive players

  59. Kansas95Buc Says:

    @Ghost, say what you want but number indicate Winston is the best QB EVER for Tampa in 3 YEARS, all while playing with a CRAP DEFENSE, NO run game and a suspect kicking game…..

  60. D-Rome Says:

    Well, what is your solution? Suck badly for another two years (too many wins this year) to get a No. 1 pick in 2020 and roll the dice on another rookie who may not be as good as Jameis? Don’t think the family that owns the team is willing to do that because that means they will lose tens of millions of dollars. Maybe more.

    The solution is to keep Jay-Miss as long as possible without giving him the $100+ million dollar contract and then take your chances on drafting a QB over the next several drafts to replace him while Jay-Miss is on the roster. It’s business. The Patriots have been doing that for years. They had a guy to replace Brady. That is, until they traded him but that’s not the point. The Bucs need a long term succession plan if things don’t work out.

    Jay-Miss is not so special that he is above having the organization bring in rookies and veterans to compete for his position. The Buccaneers need to be forward thinking about this because as it stands right now, after four years, Jay-Miss is *not* the QB of the future. I hope he becomes that guy but I don’t think he will. He should only get that long term, big money contract if he truly becomes a great QB. He’s not there yet.

    Look at the Bengals. Everyone knew when they gave Dalton the big money that he was not going to lead them anywhere. They were afraid to risk letting a “good QB” go even though they all knew he’d never be “great”. No risk it, no biscuit.

  61. LakeLand Says:


    I agree they get rid of good players
    But they also keep a lot of bad players


    They let Bradley McDougald walk
    Then they re-sign Chris Conte

  62. Casey Morgan Says:

    It is easy to replace Winston. We already have a good QB with a winning record. His name is Fitz. Start him…

  63. LakeLand Says:

    And in a lot of cases

    They try to replace the good players with ‘Bum’ free agents
    Or with rookies, who become Bums

  64. Kansas95Buc Says:

    man you had to bring up McDougal fiasco lmao

  65. LakeLand Says:


    The same thing can be said about them letting Michael Bennett walk
    Then they hang on to Da’Quan Bowers

    Bragging about how good he is

  66. LakeLand Says:

    Even Lovie brought Bowers back for a few games in 2015

  67. Knoxville Buc Fan Says:

    Who cares Stack the W’s up and go out there and do your thang bro! Sling it like your still AMERICA’S QUARTERBACK. Don’t let em’ mess with your game

  68. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol @ being in awe of Deshan Watson.

    He had 9 TDs to 7 INTs and before the Miami game. He was pacing for a pretty bad passing season.

    Per the grading scales of most people here he should be cut if he were a Bucs QB.

    And the 2 deep passes he hit were WIDE OPEN. By at least 10 yards for each player. Winston has maybe missed one pass THAT wide open ever. The misses on Djax have been when Djax has like 1 step on a defender or maybe 1 yard of separation – not 10 where the ball placement just needs to be in the general area as it was last night.

    Hopkins had to wait for his ball and wasn’t hit in stride at all for example; but was so wide open it didn’t matter.

    It’s like Bucs fans watch games with the opposite concept of homer goggles lol.

  69. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Also the 2018 QB class was historically deep. 2019 is much weaker and 2020 likely as well.

    I like Watson going forward but he hasn’t won anything meaningful yet. Goff sh1t the bed last year in his only playoff game and he is in a dream setup compared to Winston.

    Basically football is a team sport. Our QB has been the least of our problems since he was drafted and it isn’t close objectively by any statistic. Not when the defense / run game / special teams have been borderline worst in the NFL by comparison. Not when you can literally go seaon by season and point to all the times he did what was needed to win games but had the team choke it away. He probably would have an average record of 9-10+ wins per year through 2017 if not for that. I don’t see why this is even complicated or a debate lol.

  70. RustyRhinos Says:

    Joe “unless fans want to lose at least 14 games next year, and who knows how many after that waiting for the rookie to develop.”

    So if we keep Jameis and we still lose 14 games will that make you feel better? We have waited for our rookie “franchise QB” to develope four years running, have we won more games with him as the starting QB? How much longer should we have to wait for this Franchise QB to develope?

  71. Kansas95Buc Says:

    @Casey Morgan
    yea lets start a guy who can’t hold a starting job ANYWHERE over a guy who is barely 24 and on course to break a lot of Tamp QB records…

  72. Kansas95Buc Says:

    The Bennett/Bowers move was one the dumbest moves ever! We’re still paying for that move

  73. Kansas95Buc Says:

    My ‘favorite’ move was when we let Blount go….As god as my witness I said he would be a beast the moment we picked him up. We’re still paying for that move too lol

  74. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Rusty and others who are “over” Jameis.

    I understand your point and while I’m no Fameis jock sniffer he does have talent….suggesting he sucks is just hyperbole. I’m not saying he’s the next HOF QB…simply that he could easily become a winning NFL QB.

    Brad Johnson will never make the HOF…but I still have a great deal of respect for Brad even going back to his Viking days. I think Jameis has upside to be as successful as Brad. And let’s face it…what do we really want…a pro bowl HOF QB with NO titles…or a few more SB’s?

    I get the disappointment but we really should see how the next ten games play out. I guess I’m still stuck in the middle. I like Joe’s description of “Good Jameis” and “Bad Jameis” Let’s see which Jameis shows up the rest of this year.

    There are excuses in life and there are FACTUAL reasons. There have been factual reasons that have held Jameis back in terms of W’s…bad OL…no D…NO KICKING AT ALL…but he has added his share of mistakes.

    I still think we look at the last ten games and remember what Defense Rules reminds us….football IS still a team sport.

    The team either hits .500 at minimum or heads should roll both on and off the field….and certainly not just Jameis!!! I agree with D.R. it is still a team sport…we have sucked as a team not at the QB position.

  75. Wesley Says:

    For the love of god Joe, stop telling us what Beckles thinks. We don’t care.

  76. RustyRhinos Says:

    Stpete, I am not under any false view, I think a NFL QB should play better than what we have seen over 3 plus seasons. (Hitting the revives in stride, throwing to the receiver not at their feet or above their head unless warented, Consistently hitting the open receiver, Better deep ball accuracy, ball security) I want Jameis to be the player we all hoped he would develope into, that is not yet the results of his first 3 seasons. Yeah he has lots of yards and has been amazing for a series or two then a interception into triple coverage when there is a open receiver close by. It does get to wearing thin. Why are these things not being corrected, can they be? I do not want to drop the $100,000,000.00 plus on a guy who can not do these things, wedo need to have money available for other players. Most on the JBF blog do not appear to look past that $100 million plus contract. We will be like other teams and have to make cuts just to keep under the salary cap. For a player who has not shown he can get it done in the NFL. This is no longer her the ACC.

  77. Mike Johnson Says:

    Actually Beckeles is not far off here. jameis does exactly that. He makes plays where you say, Dam..That an all world play. Then he does something you just scratch your head at..time and time again. Its almost like a pattern. And he hasn’t changed yet.

  78. Realbucfan941 Says:

    Lol. What Wesley said!

  79. Dan Says:

    He’s 100% right. Why would Winston change after 5 years. He’s always been a turnover machine since college.. You guys who think he will change just aren’t dealing in reality. Sorry Winston supporters all the facts say your guys a bust in every way. Keep wanting him to be more. He won’t.

  80. Dan Says:

    BTW. More Beckles please. He’s been right about every lousy team this organization has fielded since 2008 and he’s right on GMC and Winston. Post as much Beckles as you want he’s a splash of reality on these delusional fans sometimes.

  81. Pryda...sec 147 Says:

    Jameis will change refuse to believe he won’t get better stupid logic …

  82. Reach87 Says:

    Lol. Crying Bucs “fans” can’t stand the reality. Not your money, not your bias driving anything. Franchise QB. Hope he gets paid for what he’s done and will do. When do we stop dogging a starter on our 3-3 team game week and start rooting for the team about to face the Bengals? Isn’t that what fans do? Pathetic.Team game. Go Bucs!

  83. NPRSageBoy Says:

    So, the America’s Turnover Machine moniker is deserved?

  84. Reach87 Says:

    PS.@Lord Corn is straight hitting the mark on this thread. But you don’t hear him. Go Bucs!

  85. Destinjohnny Says:

    He is a poor mans Big Ben
    Tua tua tua will be available not this draft but the next one

    Jameis isn’t a bust but he will never be a top 10 talent

    Tua is top 10 now

  86. lambchop Says:

    Joe Says:
    October 26th, 2018 at 12:30 pm

    OK guys, who else as a quarterback do you know that took risks like Jameis if Farve is not an apt comparison?

    Joe cannot think of any.

    Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. And neither of them won anything significant. They both had personal milestones and at least Marino has been on record saying he would give up his personal records for a ring.

  87. Dapostman Says:

    Vinny Testaverde as a Buc in 1988, 25 years old 48% completions, 13 TD’s & 35 picks, 3200 yards in 15 games.

    Jameis Winston as a Buc in 2019, 25 years old To Be Continued………It will be better than Vinny guaranteed.

  88. Joe Says:

    Dan Fouts and Dan Marino. And neither of them won anything significant.

    Those two guys never seemed like risk-takers to Joe.

    Farve and Jameis seem to have identical personalities and mindsets.

  89. David White Says:

    Yes Jamis will throw his picks, if and only if he is forced to throw as much as he’s being asked to throw it. And say what you will but most QBs in the league would do the same. Last week was a prime example of how this season has gone. The Bucs had that game in the bag. But because we can’t run the ball and having a defense that can’t hold a lead, it was a text book case of how to give a game away. But because of the QB that y’all can’t wait to get rid of, that last drive in regulation was as pretty and efficient as any you will hope to see. I would never root for a loss, but that 59 yarder in overtime saved a job that most likely is going to cost us in the long run. Either way say what you will Jamis won us that game in spite of the rest of the team trying to lose it

  90. canadianbucsfan Says:

    Jay Cutler comes to mind as a comparison, some boneheaded moves thinking he could rely on his arm opposed to just throwing it away or checking down. I say that as a Winston fan too.

  91. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    That picture says it all. Beckles is not above leaching for self promotion, but he turns on everyone eventually. And, according to him, every bad thing that ever happened to him is because of race.

    I cannot stand the man.

  92. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Did Favre throw picks every game? Pretty much.

    He was still elite.

  93. Nate Says:

    Brett Farve hit his receivers Brooks and STERLING Sharpe with the deep ball though

  94. lambchop Says:


    Marino was one of the biggest risk-takers in the NFL. The Dolphins were always a pass first team during his tenure and Dan the Man literally had to carry those teams on his back for better or worse. Take a look at the bottom:


    I’m not sure why Dan Fouts is not on that list above as he had a career INT % of 4.2%. Marino is at 3.0%. Brett Favre is at 3.3%.

    I’m not comparing Jameis’s INT % yet as he has a small sample size, but if you look at the other QBs with similar number of attempts, he has the worst INT %.