The Vernon Hargreaves Injury
September 12th, 2018
Joe wasn’t going to touch this since there really isn’t anything to update. But since it is all over the interwebs, Joe felt he better address it.
As Joe reported yesterday, Bucs cornerback Vernon Hargreaves is out for the Eagles game Sunday. Joe also saw Hargreaves with his left arm in a sling in the locker room after the season-opening win over the Saints. Feel free to connect whatever dots you wish with this information.
Last night there was a report floating around — not from any of the Bucs beat writers or from BSPN or NFL Network — that Hargreaves is out for the season. That report is premature. Joe, along with just about everyone else who covers the Bucs, learned last night from team sources that Hargreaves is seeking a second opinion about his injury.
Again, feel free to connect any dots you wish armed with this information. Joe’s not even going to attempt any guess what specifically the injury is or the severity of the injury.
We will know more later today when the first official injury report is released for the Eagles game. As of this writing (late Monday night) it seems realistic to expect Joe’s biggest fear throughout the offseason coming true for the game with the Eagles: the Bucs are looking at two rookies and/or Ryan Smith as your starting corners because of injuries to Hargreaves and Brent Grimes.
Other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?
Good morning.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:12 am
our rookies CBs are fine. It’s Mike Smith way of using all Cbs is the problem.
September 12th, 2018 at 12:15 am
Sorry for double post.
The point of a bend and don’t break defense is to only give up 3 points or we get the ball back. Not seeing it right now. I’ll hold my comment on McCoy for this week. (1 Tackle 2 assisted.)
September 12th, 2018 at 12:50 am
Insider leak is his season is over but he and the team wanted a second doctor to check it out tomorrow.
September 12th, 2018 at 1:09 am
So frustrating. Get well, man.
September 12th, 2018 at 1:11 am
Brent Grimes needs to step up–yeah that’s right– I said that.
Step up and shake off the “injury” and suit up and perform your usual array of acrobatic maneuvers while playing your position. Stretch out groin and lets go.
September 12th, 2018 at 1:54 am
This is all on Jason Licht who put the team in a position to where Chris Conte and Ryan Smith are still on the team and now most likely both starting in week 2.
Ugh.
Well, as I’ve said all offseason since Licht was determined to not address the DB situation with vets, the best defense is an offense that scores 40 a game, so go and try to trade for L Bell. Not sure how exactly you’d fit everything under the salary cap, but if the Rams can sign everyone under the sun, the Bucs can figure it out.
September 12th, 2018 at 2:11 am
Damn, so we won’t even get a chance to evaluate him this year.
Baptism by fire for the rookies. Next man up!
September 12th, 2018 at 3:09 am
Time for a Teacherman repost!!
Just a month ago, I was making fun of his skinny arms.
i said he looked way too skinny to handle the NFL.
He doesn’t spend enough time working out.
Now, look.
Injured arm from a small fall.
Watch the replay. He did not hit the ground that hard.
His bones are weak from not hitting the weights enough.
FACTS.
September 12th, 2018 at 3:34 am
If everything checks out
Sign
• CB Bashaud Breeland (FA)
• CB Byron Maxwell (FA)
Trade For
• CB Mackenzie Alexander (Minnesota)
September 12th, 2018 at 4:24 am
Outside the box
The fact that CB Janoris Jenkins (recently) restructured his contract – to help the NYGiants free up some much-needed cap space. I wouldn’t put it past Licht & Gettleman to pull off another trade.
Maybe Noah Spence & future draft compensation for Jenkins
Then we can either sign.
-Bronson Kaufusi – Jets Practice Squad
-Will Clarke – Free Agent
To replace Spence’s snaps.
September 12th, 2018 at 4:40 am
They better bring that garbage corner Bryon Maxwell in here. People will say anything. Maxwell IS Ryan Smith and the only difference is he’s gotten burned more years than Smith so no thanks
September 12th, 2018 at 5:23 am
too early to give up on Spence….DE’s take time to develop and he’s coming off a long stint without football.
As for Hargreaves…It didn’t seem serious when it happened. Must of torn something because a separated/sprain shoulder isn’t that serious. I thought it was a jammed finger at first from knocking the ball down last second or possibly a hand from bracing from falling to the turf. Possible the fumble caused when he used his shoulder…he dinged it then, but reaggravated in on the pass defensed. Hopefully, it is not as serious as first reported….and the Buccs dodge the injury turk yet again.
I would sign Breeland if we are not fortunate in that regard….no to Maxwell. Vernon was having a decent game, too, and I was one of the minority who believed he’d have a bounce back year! Maybe Mr. Miagi taught his shoulder rub technique to Danielle Larusso and Vernon can visit him for a quick cure….
September 12th, 2018 at 5:36 am
Looks like we will need our DREADED DL to STEP UP!!!!!
September 12th, 2018 at 6:10 am
Does it really matter?
September 12th, 2018 at 6:25 am
Guys you are forgetting one little thing and it’s called the salary cap. We are paying JPP and McCoy (aka useless) a ton, paying Grimes a decent amount, paying Jensen a ton payin DJax, paying Unrein, paying Allen, paying Curry, still paying Gholston more than he is worth. In addition to that we can’t really offer more than a deal this year as we are still uncertain with Cap next year as we still need to resign Marpet, Smith, Kwon and Jameis number is going up.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:28 am
@LUVMYBUCS … “Maybe Noah Spence & future draft compensation for Jenkins.” Wish I knew what was going on with Spence. Sunday he got a grand total of FOUR defensive snaps (out of 64 total) & played ZERO S/T snaps … and that was against a heavy passing team (45 attempts) where a pass rushing DE should’ve been playing at least 50% of the snaps. He was ineffective in preseason, and apparently isn’t injured. Given Smitty’s preference for bigger, heavier DLinemen, it makes me wonder if he’s been told by Licht to keep him (yet another 2nd round bust?). Right now he’s costing us a much-needed DLine slot and I’d rather see Will Clarke back on the roster. Noah’s a really good guy (same way Joe describes Mike Smith BTW), but he’s not contributing to this TEAM.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:38 am
Vernon Hargreaves is seeing a second opinion about his shoulder. It looks like he will go under the knife and this will surely end the season on injury reserved.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:42 am
Man what awful timing for all this. Any wordwhen we may get grimes back? I think our offense is good enough for a playoff run. Enough to sign fa cbs to stop the bleeding. We need vita ASAP. All the help up front we can get to help this patch work/ rookie secondary!
September 12th, 2018 at 6:48 am
@ndog … “Guys you are forgetting one little thing and it’s called the salary cap.” Beefing up our defensive roster with the additions of JPP, Curry, Unrein, Allen and Grimes does us no good if our Secondary is the weak link. Obviously salary cap is a key issue, but good GMs find ways to work that.
My biggest issue with Jason Licht is that he’s like the little Dutch boy who keeps sticking his fingers in the dike every time a new leak develops. Bringing in FOUR FA DLinemen in ONE year & drafting THREE DBs in the same ONE year tells me that the big picture on TEAM-building is missing. Either that, or the Bucs as a team are VERY unlucky (I’ll stick with what’s behind Door 1).
Despite a tough schedule, this TEAM has promise & could very well end up at 10-6 or thereabouts. But NOT is this defense gives up 40 PPG. It’s fashionable for Joe & many others to blame Smitty, but reality is that there are still some glaring deficiencies in this defensive roster, especially when it comes to experienced depth, and especially at DE & CB. IF Bucs expect to make a run, Licht has to beef up BOTH of those positions.
September 12th, 2018 at 6:52 am
Miko should lLAY off (pun intended) Brent at least for this week so the guy can go. Sign that nice new contract and then “hurt” your groin and don’t even travel with the team deciding to stay at home with the wife and kids is borderline cowardly… yup I used that word Debilah so tell Grimesy (if he really is your son LMAO) to put his big boy pants on and go EARN that money!!
September 12th, 2018 at 7:02 am
The Saints can put forty on nearly any defense save the Eagles, Rams, etc. which is why I am not going to overreact. The Saints also had to throw the ball a ton without a running game so they were going to put up yards and points; the Buccs had to match them blow for blow. The Saints are that good, and arguably the best offense in the NFL….the Buccs are taking aim at the number one designation, however 🙂
September 12th, 2018 at 7:11 am
Good news is they won’t be covering near the caliber of receivers the Aint’s had, time for our rooks to sttep up and the d-line to show up and Wreak Havoc.
Hope our -O-line stays healthy, one or two injuries would not be good for this offense.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:12 am
We can always bring in one of the guys we cut. All we need is depth. Davis and Stewart will be fine. So what if they are rookies? No he more they play, the faster and better they’ll become.
I question the wisdom of a fanbase who is willing to give up draft picks at the slightest sign of trouble. The truth is that whoever you bring in is just a new name. I could see it if we had not drafted two second round CBs. But we did. All this means is that the Bucs won’t be able to take their time developing them.
Tey were almost ready anyway. This will probably end up being a good thing.
September 12th, 2018 at 7:12 am
“JPP and McCoy (aka useless)”
ndog- I’m hoping that game was a fluke and the HOF’er just was that slippery because I was unimpressed by our d-line play. Our “improved” d-line!
September 12th, 2018 at 7:14 am
I swear I’m not drunk. Typing on a tablet with big fingers and too lazy to check for errors. Lol
September 12th, 2018 at 7:19 am
I think the defense will be fine. Jason Licht will do whatever is needed.
If we do need to do a trade, the solution is simple. Trade Desean Jackson even up. After the last game, his stock is high, it would free $10m in cap space, and we would not lose a pick. WR is our deepest group.
September 12th, 2018 at 8:54 am
I’m flabbergasted at some of these post.
Trade D-Jax? – we already heard that, do you not see what he does for the team, leadership, draw coverage away from the other receiver.
Bucs defense give up 40 per game? – It was the Saints, they have a QB that is a first ballot HOF
Trade for Janoris Jenkins? – Giants going for it all, why they did not draft a QB.
Ryan Smith critique – this is literally his second year at CB
September 12th, 2018 at 9:06 am
Accoding to Howard Balzer via Twitter,
Buccaneers tryout reported: CBs Jeremy Boykins, Jeff Richards (signed to PS), Marcus Williams (signed to 53);
RBs Matthew Dayes, Akrum Wadley;
QBs Brogan Roback, Josh Woodrum;
WR Isaac Whitney.
Visit reported: CB Bashaud Breeland.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:11 am
rrsrq — LOL you are def one of the more rational people in here…. Some of these fans are NUTS…
As for people complaining about CB “depth” is there any other team in the last 3-5 years that has lost both starting corners week one? Ya’ll know that doesn’t happen often if at all right? It stinks but this is our situation. The young rookies are going to have to grow up fast.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:34 am
When you seek a second opinion it means you didn’t like the first.
Don’t count on Hargreaves for the rest of this season. Too bad.
September 12th, 2018 at 9:40 am
@Joe
As a former journalist you have again earned my respect. You are handling this EXACTLY as it should be handled.
You’re probably too young to remember the old TV show Dragnet…perhaps reruns..
Jack Webb’s iconic line….”Just the facts mam just the facts”.
September 12th, 2018 at 10:29 am
Shoulders are funny , most injuries can be played with after several weeks and if reinjured the time out will lessen !!! The prob is it will eventually have to be fixed !!
It appears VH 3 is a pretty fragile player and at this point kinda carries a boys body in a mans game !!! It is what it is , best ability is ??? AND he’s not avail again !!
September 12th, 2018 at 11:37 am
Hargreaves placed on IR.
September 12th, 2018 at 11:55 am
Big loss on Hargreaves being put on IR. I don’t know if he made strides as a CB in the off season and in training camp, but he had the play of the game in New Orleans.